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Who’s your foundation piece; Duncan or Garnett?

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The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« on: February 04, 2023, 01:48:55 PM »

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If you had the option of selecting either Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett (at their rookie ages), knowing what you know now, who do you choose to build your team around?

Remember in this scenario, it’s today’s NBA…not the 90’s.
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Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2023, 01:59:40 PM »

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Love KG, but it's the Big Fundamental for me

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Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2023, 02:03:20 PM »

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KG to keep Rondo and Allen under control. If I had a less ego driven team Duncan 100%. KG is a must to keep guys in line. Duncan is awesome on a blue collar/lunch-pail team.

Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2023, 02:04:27 PM »

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Duncan. (And I loved KG)


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Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2023, 02:11:05 PM »

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Duncan. (And I loved KG)
Easy. I rate Duncan higher all-time.

Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2023, 02:15:51 PM »

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Duncan and it’s not close.

Personally, I think KG is vastly over rated when it comes to the greatest Power Fowards of all time conversations. Duncan, Malone, Nowitzki, and Barkley are all much better, imo.

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2023, 02:30:32 PM »

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I think KG was the more talented player and would fit better in todays NBA. If you put Garnett on those Spurs teams, believe he would have had similar success that Duncan did. Unfortunately, Kevin wasted away his prime in Minnesota.
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Re: The Big Fundamental or Ticket
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2023, 04:21:15 PM »

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I voted before I read the post - my bad!

I went for Timmy but I would have voted for KG in today's league over Timmy. Timmy's game doesn't translate as well to today's league while KG's translates better than before.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2023, 06:48:27 PM »

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Duncan and it’s not close.

Personally, I think KG is vastly over rated when it comes to the greatest Power Fowards of all time conversations. Duncan, Malone, Nowitzki, and Barkley are all much better, imo.
This is the complete opposite of what my take is. KG is the most underrated player of the last 25 years, and is every bit as good as Duncan & Malone, and significantly better than Dirk or Chuck.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2023, 06:52:00 PM »

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I voted before I read the post - my bad!

I went for Timmy but I would have voted for KG in today's league over Timmy. Timmy's game doesn't translate as well to today's league while KG's translates better than before.
Yeah, in today's game it is easily KG for me. He would absolutely have developed a 3PT game if drafted today, and we're seeing how valuable young bigs with ball-handling skills are (Banchero, Barnes, Mobley).

KG would be Giannis-like in today's game
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2023, 07:08:09 PM »

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I voted before I read the post - my bad!

I went for Timmy but I would have voted for KG in today's league over Timmy. Timmy's game doesn't translate as well to today's league while KG's translates better than before.
Yeah, in today's game it is easily KG for me. He would absolutely have developed a 3PT game if drafted today, and we're seeing how valuable young bigs with ball-handling skills are (Banchero, Barnes, Mobley).

KG would be Giannis-like in today's game

With the added bonus of being able to shoot!  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2023, 07:10:40 PM »

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I voted before I read the post - my bad!

I went for Timmy but I would have voted for KG in today's league over Timmy. Timmy's game doesn't translate as well to today's league while KG's translates better than before.
Yeah, in today's game it is easily KG for me. He would absolutely have developed a 3PT game if drafted today, and we're seeing how valuable young bigs with ball-handling skills are (Banchero, Barnes, Mobley).

KG would be Giannis-like in today's game

I don’t think he would be.  In his era, KG had the skillset to dominate inside.  He had the skill set to add a couple of feet to his game.  He stubbornly refused to do either, for reasons I don’t understand.

Similarly, I don’t think the modern game would affect Duncan much.  He’d have more space to operate, but he’d be equally dominate offensively and defensively.

If I wanted to draft a guy to play PF in the modern era, my first choice would be Larry Bird.  Second, Lebron.  After that, I’d be tempted to take Karl Malone, because I think he’d be unstoppable with the increased spacing, no hand-checking and lack of rim protection.  Then Duncan, then probably KG.


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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2023, 07:13:23 PM »

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I voted before I read the post - my bad!

I went for Timmy but I would have voted for KG in today's league over Timmy. Timmy's game doesn't translate as well to today's league while KG's translates better than before.
Yeah, in today's game it is easily KG for me. He would absolutely have developed a 3PT game if drafted today, and we're seeing how valuable young bigs with ball-handling skills are (Banchero, Barnes, Mobley).

KG would be Giannis-like in today's game

With the added bonus of being able to shoot!  ;D
His workload would also be less intense. From his 2nd season to his final at Minny (the first time) he missed 25 regular season games and averaged 39.2MPG. Different game 20 years ago
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2023, 07:41:54 PM »

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Duncan and it’s not close.

Personally, I think KG is vastly over rated when it comes to the greatest Power Fowards of all time conversations. Duncan, Malone, Nowitzki, and Barkley are all much better, imo.
This is the complete opposite of what my take is. KG is the most underrated player of the last 25 years, and is every bit as good as Duncan & Malone, and significantly better than Dirk or Chuck.

This is an interesting take. Care to elaborate?
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2023, 09:51:29 PM »

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Duncan. Not close. 

Also, Duncan hit 41% from 16 feet to the 3 point line in his career.  I think he'd have extended that range out to 3 today.  KG would be better at it, but Duncan was better at pretty much everything else. 
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