Tatum 1st team All NBA

[Moranis]

Lots of guys made the team with only games in the 50's - Durant, Morant, James and even Butler if he would have.  They probably should make an 80% rule, which is 66 games.  But until they do that, you are going to have these gray areas on how do you factor in games played or not. 

[Vermont Green]

The games played thing is a tough one.  If there is a hard cut off at a random number of games, say 50 games, and one player has 51 and one has 49, it is really fair that the player with with 49 games gets 0 chance?

How about a sliding (non linear) scale.  To explain, if you got 100 points in the voting but only played say 55 games out of 82 you only get 75 points or something.  This discounting factor curve could be determined in advance and simply applied.  At a point (meaning at some number of games) the voters would simply not vote for the player.

It guess the voters would say that games played was factored in by LeBron being 3rd team instead of 1st team, so maybe this works itself out after all.

[celticsclay]

Lots of guys made the team with only games in the 50's - Durant, Morant, James and even Butler if he would have.  They probably should make an 80% rule, which is 66 games.  But until they do that, you are going to have these gray areas on how do you factor in games played or not.

I do think 60 or 65 games would be reasonable. Especially with how most players are missing 5 games a season for rest now. With Lebron though it is not just the games played, it is the games played combined with being on a team that was lousy (both when he played and when he didn't). How bad could they possible be in the west with 25 games against the likes of okc, sacramento, houston, portland, san antonio? Maybe they win 28 or 29 games in stead of 32 if he misses the whole season. It is pretty hard to win much less than that when you are in a conference with a ton of tanking/bad teams. We also have to remember Westbrook, while he may be in decline, has always been able to get teams to like 35 wins and he was healthy all season. You throw in 45 games of Davis and it really is hard to argue Lebron actually provided any value besides poorly aging Tweets this season.

[Big333223]

Congrats. He earned it this year.

Can't let off the gas now, though. Tatum still has a lot he can improve on. Keep on working and he'll keep getting rewarding. And so will we.

[nickagneta]

All NBA has always been more about stats and less about team record.  So when a guy averages 30.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg with an eFG of 59 and a TS% of 61.9 he should absolutely be on an All NBA Team.  And the games played issue is much less a thing when a lot of the other players played a similar level of games (Butler for example played 1 more game than him).

Tell that to Bradley Beal, Trae Young, Damián Lillard, etc that all had huge box score #'s certain years and got snubbed mostly due to team record. There are people that get snubbed for All-NBA due to team record littered throughout NBA history. Your theory on this just to protect Lebron is completely wrong

Beal made the 3rd team in 21.  Young made it this year (though didn't as a 2nd year player with similar stats).  Until this year Lillard had made 4 consecutive All NBA Teams. 

No player in NBA history has averaged 30/8/6 and not been on an All NBA Team.

2019-20(72 game season) Bradley Beal. 30/4/6 Team record 25-47

Really? You gonna hang your hat on your entire argument being right because of 4 rebounds per game? Take a look at both seasons. The similarities except for rebounding is ridiculously close.

 https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2=jamesle01&p2yrfrom=2022

[celticsclay]

All NBA has always been more about stats and less about team record.  So when a guy averages 30.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg with an eFG of 59 and a TS% of 61.9 he should absolutely be on an All NBA Team.  And the games played issue is much less a thing when a lot of the other players played a similar level of games (Butler for example played 1 more game than him).

Tell that to Bradley Beal, Trae Young, Damián Lillard, etc that all had huge box score #'s certain years and got snubbed mostly due to team record. There are people that get snubbed for All-NBA due to team record littered throughout NBA history. Your theory on this just to protect Lebron is completely wrong

Beal made the 3rd team in 21.  Young made it this year (though didn't as a 2nd year player with similar stats).  Until this year Lillard had made 4 consecutive All NBA Teams. 

No player in NBA history has averaged 30/8/6 and not been on an All NBA Team.

2019-20(72 game season) Bradley Beal. 30/4/6 Team record 25-47

Really? You gonna hang your hat on your entire argument being right because of 4 rebounds per game? Take a look at both seasons. The similarities except for rebounding is ridiculously close.

 https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2=jamesle01&p2yrfrom=2022

Good research Nick. I’m curious if we are going to start seeing more 30 point scorers per game with more threes shot than ever. We basically had 4 guys average 30 this year with another close (doncic). Two years ago there were 5. If you go back ten years there wasn’t a player averaging 30. Kobe  and Durant led the league at 28.

[Phantom255x]

Lol.  Somebody gave Kyrie a 3rd Team vote.

Jalen Rose.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2021-22-nba-regular-season-awards/

Wow.  No credibility.

Hat tip to the NBA for making these public, though.

Jalen is one of those guys who tends to defend guys like Kyrie and even Ben Simmons. I remember during that whole Simmons saga during the C’s-Nets series that he was the only one defending him and offering sympathies while everyone else was clowning on him and his camp’s actions

[Roy H.]

Lol.  Somebody gave Kyrie a 3rd Team vote.

Jalen Rose.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2021-22-nba-regular-season-awards/

Wow.  No credibility.

Hat tip to the NBA for making these public, though.

Jalen is one of those guys who tends to defend guys like Kyrie and even Ben Simmons. I remember during that whole Simmons saga during the C’s-Nets series that he was the only one defending him and offering sympathies while everyone else was clowning on him and his camp’s actions

I get having an affinity for Misfit Toys.  But Kyrie played 29 games, which is completely disqualifying. 

[tazzmaniac]

Tatum expressed his thoughts on All-NBA selection which I totally agree with.  Embiid on the 2nd team is nonsense.  If the 5 best players in the league are all centers, they should be the NBA 1st team.  Sticking to positions would mean 2 of the 5 best players wouldn't make any All-NBA team which would be complete and utter nonsense.  At worst it ought to be like All-Star game starter with 2 guards and 3 bigs.   

While Tatum expressed gratitude for the selection, he also pointed out the confounding nature of Embiid finishing second in MVP voting, yet being left off the All-NBA First Team.

“I do think it should be positionless,” he said. “Joel Embiid was second in MVP voting and he made second team? It doesn’t really make too much sense. I think it should just be like the 15 best players.”

https://theathletic.com/news/celtics-jayson-tatum-first-team/ePfFK94JU3Tj/?amp=1 

[SparzWizard]

Lol.  Somebody gave Kyrie a 3rd Team vote.

Jalen Rose.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2021-22-nba-regular-season-awards/

Wow.  No credibility.

Hat tip to the NBA for making these public, though.

Jalen is one of those guys who tends to defend guys like Kyrie and even Ben Simmons. I remember during that whole Simmons saga during the C’s-Nets series that he was the only one defending him and offering sympathies while everyone else was clowning on him and his camp’s actions

I'd take Jalen Rose commentaries with a grain of salt. That guy is hack

[bdm860]

Lol.  Somebody gave Kyrie a 3rd Team vote.

Jalen Rose.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2021-22-nba-regular-season-awards/

Wow.  No credibility.

Hat tip to the NBA for making these public, though.

Jalen is one of those guys who tends to defend guys like Kyrie and even Ben Simmons. I remember during that whole Simmons saga during the C’s-Nets series that he was the only one defending him and offering sympathies while everyone else was clowning on him and his camp’s actions

I get having an affinity for Misfit Toys.  But Kyrie played 29 games, which is completely disqualifying.

Stephen A. calls him out on it.  Jalen says it was a mistake to vote for Kyrie, but says he voted for Kyrie because he was so dominant when he played. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0B5kclREnQ

[gouki88]

Lol.  Somebody gave Kyrie a 3rd Team vote.

Jalen Rose.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2021-22-nba-regular-season-awards/

Wow.  No credibility.

Hat tip to the NBA for making these public, though.

Jalen is one of those guys who tends to defend guys like Kyrie and even Ben Simmons. I remember during that whole Simmons saga during the C’s-Nets series that he was the only one defending him and offering sympathies while everyone else was clowning on him and his camp’s actions

I get having an affinity for Misfit Toys.  But Kyrie played 29 games, which is completely disqualifying.

Stephen A. calls him out on it.  Jalen says it was a mistake to vote for Kyrie, but says he voted for Kyrie because he was so dominant when he played. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0B5kclREnQ

He should have his voting rights revoked. Insane decisions like that can cost players millions

[Moranis]

Tatum expressed his thoughts on All-NBA selection which I totally agree with.  Embiid on the 2nd team is nonsense.  If the 5 best players in the league are all centers, they should be the NBA 1st team.  Sticking to positions would mean 2 of the 5 best players wouldn't make any All-NBA team which would be complete and utter nonsense.  At worst it ought to be like All-Star game starter with 2 guards and 3 bigs.   

While Tatum expressed gratitude for the selection, he also pointed out the confounding nature of Embiid finishing second in MVP voting, yet being left off the All-NBA First Team.

“I do think it should be positionless,” he said. “Joel Embiid was second in MVP voting and he made second team? It doesn’t really make too much sense. I think it should just be like the 15 best players.”

https://theathletic.com/news/celtics-jayson-tatum-first-team/ePfFK94JU3Tj/?amp=1

except that would change the entire history of the sport.  I mean Bill and Wilt had to split teams and because they were so good no one else got on a team as a center. You can't just decide to do things differently after 75 years of doing it one way. 

[Moranis]

All NBA has always been more about stats and less about team record.  So when a guy averages 30.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg with an eFG of 59 and a TS% of 61.9 he should absolutely be on an All NBA Team.  And the games played issue is much less a thing when a lot of the other players played a similar level of games (Butler for example played 1 more game than him).

Tell that to Bradley Beal, Trae Young, Damián Lillard, etc that all had huge box score #'s certain years and got snubbed mostly due to team record. There are people that get snubbed for All-NBA due to team record littered throughout NBA history. Your theory on this just to protect Lebron is completely wrong

Beal made the 3rd team in 21.  Young made it this year (though didn't as a 2nd year player with similar stats).  Until this year Lillard had made 4 consecutive All NBA Teams. 

No player in NBA history has averaged 30/8/6 and not been on an All NBA Team.

2019-20(72 game season) Bradley Beal. 30/4/6 Team record 25-47

Really? You gonna hang your hat on your entire argument being right because of 4 rebounds per game? Take a look at both seasons. The similarities except for rebounding is ridiculously close.

 https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2=jamesle01&p2yrfrom=2022

well aware, 1 time is an exception not a rule.  Obviously they could have easily had Beal instead of Simmons or Westbrook, but I also think that was not a team record thing.  Simmons was a DPOY contender that year which really helped him make the 3rd Team especially since Simmons had more points than Westbrook.  Westbrook was statistically in the same general range as Beal in his year in Houston with Harden.  So Beal could have made it but there were also plenty of reasons he did not that had nothing to do with team record (his atrocious defense has always held him back for example).  That was also Beal's 1st real mega season as a #1 option.  Post season things are often delayed because voters don't want it to be a fluke, which also helps explain why he made it the following year with lesser stats in many categories (though more ppg) on a team that was also below .500 (though better - they also had Westbrook). 

[jambr380]

Tatum expressed his thoughts on All-NBA selection which I totally agree with.  Embiid on the 2nd team is nonsense.  If the 5 best players in the league are all centers, they should be the NBA 1st team.  Sticking to positions would mean 2 of the 5 best players wouldn't make any All-NBA team which would be complete and utter nonsense.  At worst it ought to be like All-Star game starter with 2 guards and 3 bigs.   

While Tatum expressed gratitude for the selection, he also pointed out the confounding nature of Embiid finishing second in MVP voting, yet being left off the All-NBA First Team.

“I do think it should be positionless,” he said. “Joel Embiid was second in MVP voting and he made second team? It doesn’t really make too much sense. I think it should just be like the 15 best players.”

https://theathletic.com/news/celtics-jayson-tatum-first-team/ePfFK94JU3Tj/?amp=1

Tatum kind of has to say this with how the voting went last year. He lost out on $32M because the teams weren’t positionless. He had more total votes than Kyrie, but Kyrie had more as a Guard.