NBA Season 2021-22

[JohnBoy65]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

What's fascinating about that trade is I don't think the Lakers are getting enough value. Westbrook is an expiring and the lakers are taking on a new albatross of a contract in Kyle Lowry. I think another rotation player needs to be thrown in or a pick.

[Celtics2021]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

What's fascinating about that trade is I don't think the Lakers are getting enough value. Westbrook is an expiring and the lakers are taking on a new albatross of a contract in Kyle Lowry. I think another rotation player needs to be thrown in or a pick.

I actually think it's a bad trade for both teams.  Westbrook is a worse fit on a team that went to the conference finals and makes more money next season than Lowry and Robinson combined.  It's about $3 million more once you account for the empty roster spot, so this deal gives the Heat less flexibility next year to make moves that actually improve their roster for next season.  And you're right, it's bad for the Lakers too.

[Who]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

I mentioned this trade idea recently for Miami wondering if Miami would be desperate enough to get a 2nd star next to Jimmy that that they would go all-in on either Westbrook or Wall -- another non-shooting PG.

That was when the ECF was going worse for them and it looked like they would lose in a short series and have a higher mode of desperation. Then they stretched it til the final moments of a Game 7 ... so, maybe not desperate anymore.

I mention Wall as well not just because he shares many similarities with Westbrook but because Pat Riley made a run at him 12-18 months ago so there is some past precedence there with Wall as well. I can't remember if it was last summer or the previous trade deadline but Riley tried to land Wall outta Houston.

[Moranis]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

I mentioned this trade idea recently for Miami wondering if Miami would be desperate enough to get a 2nd star next to Jimmy that that they would go all-in on either Westbrook or Wall -- another non-shooting PG.

That was when the ECF was going worse for them and it looked like they would lose in a short series and have a higher mode of desperation. Then they stretched it til the final moments of a Game 7 ... so, maybe not desperate anymore.

I mention Wall as well not just because he shares many similarities with Westbrook but because Pat Riley made a run at him 12-18 months ago so there is some past precedence there with Wall as well. I can't remember if it was last summer or the previous trade deadline but Riley tried to land Wall outta Houston.

Yes, but the reason Miami does this is to free up a ton of long term salary.  They get out of both Lowry and Robinson. 

Clay hasn't really accounted for the cap savings Westbrook can bring to a team if the Lakers are willing to take on salary long term.  Obviously Westbrook is massively overpaid for next year, but then he just goes away.  There is real value in that for teams looking to get more long term flexibility. 

[Celtics2021]

Regarding Miami, I think what to do with Duncan Robinson is pretty interesting.  They signed him to a 5-year, $90 million deal last summer, and by the end of the season he was pretty much stapled to the bench, with 4 years, $75 milllion left (technically $65 million, because the final season is only half-guaranteed).  It has to be in the bottom few percent of contracts out there, given its dollar value and length.  Do they dump him to create flexibility if they aren't going to play him?  And if so, who would take him on/how much would it cost Miami in extras to make it happen?  Or do they hope that they can figure out how to get him on the floor next year?

[Moranis]

Regarding Miami, I think what to do with Duncan Robinson is pretty interesting.  They signed him to a 5-year, $90 million deal last summer, and by the end of the season he was pretty much stapled to the bench, with 4 years, $75 milllion left (technically $65 million, because the final season is only half-guaranteed).  It has to be in the bottom few percent of contracts out there, given its dollar value and length.  Do they dump him to create flexibility if they aren't going to play him?  And if so, who would take him on/how much would it cost Miami in extras to make it happen?  Or do they hope that they can figure out how to get him on the floor next year?

I think he'd work well in Dallas.  Maybe they just do a straight Bertans for Robinson swap (Dallas may have to throw in a 1st as Duncan is better than Davis).  That would be an interesting trade for both teams. 

[slamtheking]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

What's fascinating about that trade is I don't think the Lakers are getting enough value. Westbrook is an expiring and the lakers are taking on a new albatross of a contract in Kyle Lowry. I think another rotation player needs to be thrown in or a pick.

I actually think it's a bad trade for both teams.  Westbrook is a worse fit on a team that went to the conference finals and makes more money next season than Lowry and Robinson combined.  It's about $3 million more once you account for the empty roster spot, so this deal gives the Heat less flexibility next year to make moves that actually improve their roster for next season.  And you're right, it's bad for the Lakers too.

I don't think it's as bad for the Lakers as you think.  sure, more long term salary for 2 players that aren't as good as the one they're giving up but in an offense with a scoring machine like Lebron, neither of those 2 guys needs the ball in their hands like Westbrook does and both can still shoot from outside which would help Bron and AD be more effective on offense.  Lakers have few upcoming picks to add cheap talent via the draft and their cap situation won't let them be real players in the free agent market.  this move might actually provide better balance to their roster.  it's not like they're a team focussed on D at this point so might as well address their offense

[Celtics2021]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

What's fascinating about that trade is I don't think the Lakers are getting enough value. Westbrook is an expiring and the lakers are taking on a new albatross of a contract in Kyle Lowry. I think another rotation player needs to be thrown in or a pick.

I actually think it's a bad trade for both teams.  Westbrook is a worse fit on a team that went to the conference finals and makes more money next season than Lowry and Robinson combined.  It's about $3 million more once you account for the empty roster spot, so this deal gives the Heat less flexibility next year to make moves that actually improve their roster for next season.  And you're right, it's bad for the Lakers too.

I don't think it's as bad for the Lakers as you think.  sure, more long term salary for 2 players that aren't as good as the one they're giving up but in an offense with a scoring machine like Lebron, neither of those 2 guys needs the ball in their hands like Westbrook does and both can still shoot from outside which would help Bron and AD be more effective on offense.  Lakers have few upcoming picks to add cheap talent via the draft and their cap situation won't let them be real players in the free agent market.  this move might actually provide better balance to their roster.  it's not like they're a team focussed on D at this point so might as well address their offense

The Lakers only have two players (Davis and Horton-Tucker) under contract in 2023.  Yes, there's LeBron, but he's also 38 and it's unknown what he'll want to do in 2023.  It'd be better for the Lakers to have potentially $70-80 million in cap room than tying up almost $50 million in Robinson and Lowry.

[celticsclay]

Trade proposal on latest simmons podcast, one of his guests not bill. Lakers trade Westbrook for duncan Robinson and Lowry. This is one of the more realistic ones I have heard. Anyone think this could happen?

Since Jimmy and Bam can't shoot, I don't think it'd be smart for Miami to put a non-shooting point guard in the starting lineup.

I mentioned this trade idea recently for Miami wondering if Miami would be desperate enough to get a 2nd star next to Jimmy that that they would go all-in on either Westbrook or Wall -- another non-shooting PG.

That was when the ECF was going worse for them and it looked like they would lose in a short series and have a higher mode of desperation. Then they stretched it til the final moments of a Game 7 ... so, maybe not desperate anymore.

I mention Wall as well not just because he shares many similarities with Westbrook but because Pat Riley made a run at him 12-18 months ago so there is some past precedence there with Wall as well. I can't remember if it was last summer or the previous trade deadline but Riley tried to land Wall outta Houston.

Yes, but the reason Miami does this is to free up a ton of long term salary.  They get out of both Lowry and Robinson. 

Clay hasn't really accounted for the cap savings Westbrook can bring to a team if the Lakers are willing to take on salary long term.  Obviously Westbrook is massively overpaid for next year, but then he just goes away.  There is real value in that for teams looking to get more long term flexibility.

Just to be clear this isn’t my trade idea. Was on simmons podcast, was just curious what others thought.

[gouki88]

I have no idea if this true, but heard on the radio that Curry is the only player on a winning team to go for 25/5/5 in the Finals and not win the Finals MVP and he has done that 3 times. 

EDIT: Kobe did it one time with Shaq.  But that's it.  4 times in history and Curry has 3 of them.

Iggy absolutely robbed him. That was Curry's award IMO

Idk but it does seem inevitable to me that Iggy will get healthy enough to come in and be a game changer at least once in this series.

Not with how terrible Iggy is these days

[Phantom255x]

WOW

Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder planning to step down, according to Woj

[gouki88]

WOW

Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder planning to step down, according to Woj

Makes sense, he seems to have lost that locker-room. Wonder who they will try and nab...

[Phantom255x]

WOW

Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder planning to step down, according to Woj

Makes sense, he seems to have lost that locker-room. Wonder who they will try and nab...

Kind of funny he did this after the Lakers made their decision. Must not have wanted LA at all.

Does add intrigue to what the Jazz do in the offseason. I think what the Jazz do could have a ripple effect on a lot of the other moves and player movement that occurs this offseason. I'd now be real surprised if they keep both Mitchell and Gobert

[smokeablount]

WOW

Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder planning to step down, according to Woj

Wonder if Charlotte will make a run at him. They have a bright future and it might be an attractive job for a guy that can just take a break and wait for a good job to open up whenever he wants.

[Phantom255x]

WOW

Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder planning to step down, according to Woj

Wonder if Charlotte will make a run at him. They have a bright future and it might be an attractive job for a guy that can just take a break and wait for a good job to open up whenever he wants.

If the relationship with Gobert is fine, add Snyder as HC, trade for Gobert, trade away Hayward somehow, then add another solid piece via draft or FA and I think the Hornets have something brewing. Definitely a fun, scrappy team for next season.