2023 Offseason Historical Draft - Rules Thread

[Roy H.]

I intend to take only binkies.  We'll see how that works out.

I’ve got a feeling I know who you’ll take round 1, if he’s there

You got me.  Bill Russell.

[Who]

I wonder about the current players rule: whether it should be players not currently on a roster or players not on a roster last season.

There is 1-2 old players currently not signed yet but have a good chance to get signed before the end of the summer. Guys that played last season.

Or perhaps did not play an NBA game last season is easier than not on a roster. Easier to check.

[Roy H.]

I wonder about the current players rule: whether it should be players not currently on a roster or players not on a roster last season.

There is 1-2 old players currently not signed yet but have a good chance to get signed before the end of the summer. Guys that played last season.

Or perhaps did not play an NBA game last season is easier than not on a roster. Easier to check.

I'm okay with not on a roster.  Just set a deadline, like "not on a roster as of August 1".

[Moranis]

I will do whatever but I do think the cleanest thing is any person whose 1st game was in the 2009-2010 season or earlier is eligible anyone whose 1st game was after that is not.  While also excluding the top 76 and making only the post-merger seasons available.  I see no reason why Kevin Love shouldn't be available, as an example. 

[Roy H.]

I will do whatever but I do think the cleanest thing is any person whose 1st game was in the 2009-2010 season or earlier is eligible anyone whose 1st game was after that is not.  While also excluding the top 76 and making only the post-merger seasons available.  I see no reason why Kevin Love shouldn't be available, as an example.

Kevin Love is on a roster.

[Moranis]

I will do whatever but I do think the cleanest thing is any person whose 1st game was in the 2009-2010 season or earlier is eligible anyone whose 1st game was after that is not.  While also excluding the top 76 and making only the post-merger seasons available.  I see no reason why Kevin Love shouldn't be available, as an example.

Kevin Love is on a roster.

Yes he is on the Heat, which is why I used him as a pre-2010 player that I think should be eligible.  I just think it is cleaner and easier to take the 1st game of a player and use that as the eliminating factor.  Also allows old guys like Love into the game, opening more quality players.

[RPGenerate]

Idk I think having the rule of the player not being on a NBA roster is more clean then any arbitrary year cutoff point. Plus I don't think it's necessary, as there is plenty of talent available, especially at the amount of participants we have.

Of course, I'll go with whatever the majority wants in either case.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

How do we factor injury history into this? For example, there’s a few guys I won’t name that have had monster seasons early on and then got decimated by injuries that cut their career short.

I’ll use an ineligible NBA 75 guy to illustrate the point. Bill Walton had a dominant championship winning season in Portland in 77, followed it up with an MVP season, and then played 14 games the next 4 years.

If he were eligible, and 1977 Bill Walton was selected, would we be viewing him under the lens of ‘we know he’s going to miss the next 4 years’ or just that he’s generally injury prone, or would we really be taking that individual season and his overall ability into account?

[Roy H.]

How do we factor injury history into this? For example, there’s a few guys I won’t name that have had monster seasons early on and then got decimated by injuries that cut their career short.

I’ll use an ineligible NBA 75 guy to illustrate the point. Bill Walton had a dominant championship winning season in Portland in 77, followed it up with an MVP season, and then played 14 games the next 4 years.

If he were eligible, and 1977 Bill Walton was selected, would we be viewing him under the lens of ‘we know he’s going to miss the next 4 years’ or just that he’s generally injury prone, or would we really be taking that individual season and his overall ability into account?

For injuries, my view has always been you're taking the player as he actually was health-wise in that season.  So, if you select Bill Walton's MVP season, you get peak Bill Walton, but only for 58 regular season games and an injury-plagued playoffs (played 2 out of 6 games).

That's not the only valid way of looking at it, though.

[RPGenerate]

How do we factor injury history into this? For example, there’s a few guys I won’t name that have had monster seasons early on and then got decimated by injuries that cut their career short.

I’ll use an ineligible NBA 75 guy to illustrate the point. Bill Walton had a dominant championship winning season in Portland in 77, followed it up with an MVP season, and then played 14 games the next 4 years.

If he were eligible, and 1977 Bill Walton was selected, would we be viewing him under the lens of ‘we know he’s going to miss the next 4 years’ or just that he’s generally injury prone, or would we really be taking that individual season and his overall ability into account?

It's a bit of a tricky thing to decide, as each of the participants have their own opinions on how to take stuff like that into account.

My thoughts on the matter are this: if the player in question's peak was clearly cut short by injuries sustained, I won't hold it against the player at all. So for your example, I would judge Bill Walton highly, since he would have still been a dominant player he was in his best year if he didn't struggle with injuries. A couple other eligible players come to mind that also fall under this category.

[Moranis]

If we are going to pick years, people should honor the year with very little outside of that year.  Otherwise what is the point of picking a year.  I mean using Kareem as an example, I could see an argument that depending on your team, you might want the early 80's Kareem instead of early 70's Kareem because when building a team, you might want the player that showed he could take a backseat and fit in with other players more instead of the more physically dominant #1 player.  Or you might want the Wilt that led the league in assists instead of the Wilt that averaged 50 or maybe you like end of career Wilt that worked well with West.

The year should matter or what is the point in picking one.

[Roy H.]

If we are going to pick years, people should honor the year with very little outside of that year.  Otherwise what is the point of picking a year.  I mean using Kareem as an example, I could see an argument that depending on your team, you might want the early 80's Kareem instead of early 70's Kareem because when building a team, you might want the player that showed he could take a backseat and fit in with other players more instead of the more physically dominant #1 player.  Or you might want the Wilt that led the league in assists instead of the Wilt that averaged 50 or maybe you like end of career Wilt that worked well with West.

The year should matter or what is the point in picking one.

I think it depends on context.  As I mentioned, I'm not a big fan of a one-time outlier season.  My brain says a guy would struggle to replicate an outlier season if circumstances -- role, teammates, opponents -- all were different.  At the same time, if a season equates to a more normal peak, I'm more likely to see that as an evolution of skill.

[RPGenerate]

Looking through my draft board, I've definitely noticed a several trends with all the players. Most of the players fit into these four quadrants:

1. HOF talent that for whatever reason had little postseason success (attitude problems, bad teammates, skillset not conducive to winning, ect.)

2. Really great talent that sacrificed their own numbers and took a back seat to HOFs in exchange for greater team success

3. HOF talent that had their careers derailed due to injuries

4. All-time defensive specialists

It'll be interesting to see which type of players will be most favored in this draft.

[Donoghus]

Looking through my draft board, I've definitely noticed a several trends with all the players. Most of the players fit into these four quadrants:

1. HOF talent that for whatever reason had little postseason success (attitude problems, bad teammates, skillset not conducive to winning, ect.)

2. Really great talent that sacrificed their own numbers and took a back seat to HOFs in exchange for greater team success

3. HOF talent that had their careers derailed due to injuries

4. All-time defensive specialists

It'll be interesting to see which type of players will be most favored in this draft.

Hell, I'm only through the letter C's so far!

[gouki88]

I wonder about the current players rule: whether it should be players not currently on a roster or players not on a roster last season.

There is 1-2 old players currently not signed yet but have a good chance to get signed before the end of the summer. Guys that played last season.

Or perhaps did not play an NBA game last season is easier than not on a roster. Easier to check.

So, either currently is on a roster, or was on a 2022-23 roster? I'm happy with either, as both are easy to check.