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Title: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on February 03, 2017, 04:23:18 PM
Firstly, just check this 11 second video of what he did in one of the toughest away games in Euroleague at 17 years old:

https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/827623490471620610

This is not a fluke. He performs day in day out, in a top European club, and do Chris Paul stuff despite playing SG/SF. He scores in different ways, runs pick and rolls and pops, has a very reliable outside shot and court vision. He is touted as one of the greatest Euro prospects ever.

So why the thread? He will be eligible in 2018 NBA draft, and every Celtics fan must know this guy considering we have a potentially high draft pick. We shouldn't trade it unless we rob some poor team.

For the interested, his Euroleague stats page:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=005929

A draftexpress breakdown of a Spanish league game of him:

https://youtu.be/3fJLjXK_rNU
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2017, 04:27:29 PM
I'm on record in about 10 threads as saying Luka Doncic is my hands down favorite for 2018.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 03, 2017, 04:30:30 PM
There is a little bit of Manu in him, and he was my favorite player to watch for years. Definitely a guy to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: footey on February 03, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
All the more reason to hang onto the 2018 pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: oldtype on February 03, 2017, 04:51:02 PM
His numbers are ridiculous for 17.  If what Zizic is doing at 20 is an 8 on a scale of 1-10, this is like a 15. 

That said, he's 17.  It's going to be at least 2 years until he plays an NBA game.  There is a lot that can go wrong in the meantime.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: vgulab on February 03, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
I just want to point to one problem that seems has no solution. Every year there are more euro players from europe in the nba but all those players are getting in the nba too early at just 18,19. Just like Bender. I believe that they won't be very successful because they are not ready. That's why i think Doncic should come in the nba in 2019 or 2020.

Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Dario Saric ( those were first they came to my mind i'm sure there are more) stayed in europe more years and came more nba ready.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
I just want to point to one problem that seems has no solution. Every year there are more euro players from europe in the nba but all those players are getting in the nba too early at just 18,19. Just like Bender. I believe that they won't be very successful because they are not ready. That's why i think Doncic should come in the nba in 2019 or 2020.

Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Dario Saric ( those were first they came to my mind i'm sure there are more) stayed in europe more years and came more nba ready.

The same argument can be true college players.  But Doncic is 17 and a key contributor for arguably the best team in Europe.  Dario Saric wasn't putting up near triple-doubles for Real Madrid at 17.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: konkmv on February 03, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
I preffer ayton or bamba
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: vgulab on February 03, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
I just want to point to one problem that seems has no solution. Every year there are more euro players from europe in the nba but all those players are getting in the nba too early at just 18,19. Just like Bender. I believe that they won't be very successful because they are not ready. That's why i think Doncic should come in the nba in 2019 or 2020.

Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Dario Saric ( those were first they came to my mind i'm sure there are more) stayed in europe more years and came more nba ready.

The same argument can be true college players.  But Doncic is 17 and a key contributor for arguably the best team in Europe.  Dario Saric wasn't putting up near triple-doubles for Real Madrid at 17.

Saric was one of the best euro prospect since he was 16. He could have come to the nba sooner but i think that would have been mistake. And Doncic is impressive yes, just to be able to get a roster spot in Real Madrid is impressive, and he is even getting qualitty minutes. He is natural talent. Size, handling, shooting, vision.... I just don't want to see ruined careers, like it will be with Bender.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 03, 2017, 05:06:55 PM
I'm on record in about 10 threads as saying Luka Doncic is my hands down favorite for 2018.
agreed. it is still a year away, but doncic looks like he might be the best player in the draft, and indeed, a number of drafts.

but, let's see how he fares this year.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2017, 05:56:06 PM
Here's the highlights from a game last Friday.  Two big time blocks at the rim, and a breakaway dunk to seal the game.  He's ridiculously skilled on offense (I loved that reverse through the legs dribble right before a beautiful layup off the glass that the OP linked to), but he's developing the strength he'll need at the NBA.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ys4m2DhfxLA (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ys4m2DhfxLA)

He'd start for some bad NBA teams today.  In 20 months when he's eligible for his NBA debut, he'll be ready to contribute to any team on day 1.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: biggs on February 03, 2017, 06:08:13 PM
I like his name. Can def picture Tommy yelling "Luka!".
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: oldtype on February 03, 2017, 06:19:53 PM
I like his name. Can def picture Tommy yelling "Luka!".

Hope Tommy's still with us when this guy comes to the NBA.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: oldtype on February 03, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
Just to give people a general idea of how impressive this guy's numbers are:

1. Dragan Bender was touted as a top 3 pick in last year's draft
2. Dragan Bender Euroleague stats: (7 games) 10.5 MPG, 2.14 PPG, 1.43 RPG on 33/25/50 splits
3. Luka Doncic Euroleague stats: (20 games) 19.2 MPG, 8.9 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 3.7 APG on 54/43/85 splits.

Oh, by the way: Luka Doncic posted those stats at age 17, a year younger than Bender.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on February 03, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
I like the kid. I like him ALOT.

One question. He seems to have a decent frame, and doesnt look that skinny, but DE has him listed at 185 lbs. At 6'7ish that seems skinnier than he looks.

Any input from his supporters? His talent looks off the charts.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mr. dee on February 03, 2017, 07:30:01 PM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2017, 08:29:43 PM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?

Not even close to the same. Doncic is averaging more points on way better shooting, more assists (even tho Rubio was a pass-first PG) and more rebounds at the age of 17 than Rubio at 20.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2017, 11:55:19 PM
I like the kid. I like him ALOT.

One question. He seems to have a decent frame, and doesnt look that skinny, but DE has him listed at 185 lbs. At 6'7ish that seems skinnier than he looks.

Any input from his supporters? His talent looks off the charts.

He's 17 and still growing, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's gained a few pounds since the last time he's had any sort of official weigh-in.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on February 04, 2017, 12:36:08 AM
What a thread!

saltlover, Androslav, hwangjini all here

I cannot stress enough how cheeky (https://youtu.be/oDT9diUYVDU) this 17 yo is. I love it!

And here (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-draft-stock-watch-euro-sensation-making-waves-193103069.html) is an article from The Vertical. Nothing new really, but a nice, brief summary.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 04, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
What a thread!

saltlover, Androslav, hwangjini all here

I cannot stress enough how cheeky (https://youtu.be/oDT9diUYVDU) this 17 yo is. I love it!

And here (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-draft-stock-watch-euro-sensation-making-waves-193103069.html) is an article from The Vertical. Nothing new really, but a nice, brief summary.

I'm thinking of changing my handle to Donciclover.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on February 04, 2017, 02:06:47 AM
@mr. dee
Rubio is the last euro wonder kid i can remember but imho Doncic is at the same age better. Isn't
 Fultz hyped? And every draft prospect ? The thing is though that Doncic plays 2 times a week against the best non NBA teams and proves he is a baller. You can't get a better test than that

oldtype says it best :
Just to give people a general idea of how impressive this guy's numbers are:

1. Dragan Bender was touted as a top 3 pick in last year's draft
2. Dragan Bender Euroleague stats: (7 games) 10.5 MPG, 2.14 PPG, 1.43 RPG on 33/25/50 splits
3. Luka Doncic Euroleague stats: (20 games) 19.2 MPG, 8.9 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 3.7 APG on 54/43/85 splits.

Oh, by the way: Luka Doncic posted those stats at age 17, a year younger than Bender.

that was exactly was i was saying before the draft about Bender. If a kid can play will see court time. And Real's roster is at least one level higher than last year's Maccabi roster
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mr. dee on February 04, 2017, 06:44:18 AM
@mr. dee
Rubio is the last euro wonder kid i can remember but imho Doncic is at the same age better. Isn't
 Fultz hyped? And every draft prospect ? The thing is though that Doncic plays 2 times a week against the best non NBA teams and proves he is a baller. You can't get a better test than that

oldtype says it best :
Just to give people a general idea of how impressive this guy's numbers are:

1. Dragan Bender was touted as a top 3 pick in last year's draft
2. Dragan Bender Euroleague stats: (7 games) 10.5 MPG, 2.14 PPG, 1.43 RPG on 33/25/50 splits
3. Luka Doncic Euroleague stats: (20 games) 19.2 MPG, 8.9 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 3.7 APG on 54/43/85 splits.

Oh, by the way: Luka Doncic posted those stats at age 17, a year younger than Bender.

that was exactly was i was saying before the draft about Bender. If a kid can play will see court time. And Real's roster is at least one level higher than last year's Maccabi roster

To be fair, most NBA prospects are overhyped. You have people crowning Okafor as the next Duncan, Thon Maker as the next KG, Michael Beasley as a future superstar, etc.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on February 04, 2017, 07:23:15 AM
He is MUCH MUCH better than Rubio (unfair comparison, because Rubio is a PG and Doncic can play multiple positions). As some of you have said, let's wait for his body to stop growing because he is listed 6'7" or already 6'8" depending on the source. Rubio had clear flaws in his game such as shooting or long possessions, Doncic is a player with no clear handicaps.

In Spain, we have a different categories. He's grown 3 centimetres since summer, and he is listed as 2'01 metres now (6'7" is the closest in feet-inches). The most popular comparison here is Anfernee Hardaway.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CoachBS#1 on February 04, 2017, 07:25:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

I'll pass no better than this one, Yup! I know 2  inches smaller, but still, he's on the bench, tihs euro will never be like Jamal, not even in his dreams!!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on February 04, 2017, 07:32:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

I'll pass no better than this one, Yup! I know 2  inches smaller, but still, he's on the bench, tihs euro will never be like Jamal, not even in his dreams!!

Don't take this the wrong way, but is your contribution to the conversation a video with YouTube highlights?

I'm all for listening why you think we should pass on Doncic, but give us some arguments to discuss.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on February 04, 2017, 08:15:53 AM
I just want to point to one problem that seems has no solution. Every year there are more euro players from europe in the nba but all those players are getting in the nba too early at just 18,19. Just like Bender. I believe that they won't be very successful because they are not ready. That's why i think Doncic should come in the nba in 2019 or 2020.

Ginobili, Marc Gasol, Dario Saric ( those were first they came to my mind i'm sure there are more) stayed in europe more years and came more nba ready.

You can draft them and leave them in Europe for a year or two, like Philly did with Saric and we're doing with Zizic.  Or they come over and get some D League minutes while they develop.  Not sure why you think there is no solution.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on February 04, 2017, 08:17:38 AM
I like the kid. I like him ALOT.

One question. He seems to have a decent frame, and doesnt look that skinny, but DE has him listed at 185 lbs. At 6'7ish that seems skinnier than he looks.

Any input from his supporters? His talent looks off the charts.

He's 17 and still growing, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's gained a few pounds since the last time he's had any sort of official weigh-in.

Honestly watching some of his tape, I figured that this was the reason. He looks like he has some fire in him. Plus his handle is nasty for a man of his size.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CoachBS#1 on February 04, 2017, 08:50:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

I'll pass no better than this one, Yup! I know 2  inches smaller, but still, he's on the bench, tihs euro will never be like Jamal, not even in his dreams!!

Don't take this the wrong way, but is your contribution to the conversation a video with YouTube highlights?

I'm all for listening why you think we should pass on Doncic, but give us some arguments to discuss.
Well I guess this thread was started by a video of someone making a move that Jamal did when he was 5 years old, don't get me wrong, my opinion is solely based of what I saw from the videos, in the end I'm not impressed, that's it.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CoachBS#1 on February 04, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

I'll pass no better than this one, Yup! I know 2  inches smaller, but still, he's on the bench, tihs euro will never be like Jamal, not even in his dreams!!

Don't take this the wrong way, but is your contribution to the conversation a video with YouTube highlights?

I'm all for listening why you think we should pass on Doncic, but give us some arguments to discuss.
Well I guess this thread was started by a video of someone making a move that Jamal did when he was 5 years old, don't get me wrong, my opinion is solely based of what I saw from the videos, in the end I'm not impressed, that's it.
And BTW I don't think this kid will be better than Toni Kukoc, so there's that.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on February 04, 2017, 09:02:02 AM
He is MUCH MUCH better than Rubio (unfair comparison, because Rubio is a PG and Doncic can play multiple positions). As some of you have said, let's wait for his body to stop growing because he is listed 6'7" or already 6'8" depending on the source. Rubio had clear flaws in his game such as shooting or long possessions, Doncic is a player with no clear handicaps.

In Spain, we have a different categories. He's grown 3 centimetres since summer, and he is listed as 2'01 metres now (6'7" is the closest in feet-inches). The most popular comparison here is Anfernee Hardaway.
Penny Hardaway?! His speed is nothing like Penny's though...I like the kid but he needs to be quicker, and also I don't think he can jump like penny as well. Not bashing on him but imo the comparison isn't all that accurate, no offense to eurobasket fans
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on February 04, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
Somebody: I didn't say it was my comparison, but in the local press it is the most proposed (I think due to height, passing and ball handling). My opinion about him is very high, but incomplete.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on February 04, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

I'll pass no better than this one, Yup! I know 2  inches smaller, but still, he's on the bench, tihs euro will never be like Jamal, not even in his dreams!!

Don't take this the wrong way, but is your contribution to the conversation a video with YouTube highlights?

I'm all for listening why you think we should pass on Doncic, but give us some arguments to discuss.
Well I guess this thread was started by a video of someone making a move that Jamal did when he was 5 years old, don't get me wrong, my opinion is solely based of what I saw from the videos, in the end I'm not impressed, that's it.

did he do it against established players? cauae doncic plays against the best non nba teams in the world. the level of his opponents should matter ....
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 04, 2017, 10:09:30 AM
What a thread!

saltlover, Androslav, hwangjini all here

I cannot stress enough how cheeky (https://youtu.be/oDT9diUYVDU) this 17 yo is. I love it!

And here (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-draft-stock-watch-euro-sensation-making-waves-193103069.html) is an article from The Vertical. Nothing new really, but a nice, brief summary.

I'm thinking of changing my handle to Donciclover.
Hee, hee. Very cute, but what if the lakers draft him? :o then you have to change again.  ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on February 04, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deanondraft.com/2017/02/03/is-luka-doncic-the-best-prospect-ever/amp/?client=safari


Could he be the best prospect ever?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on February 04, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
i would not go that far. imho he is the best 17yo player i can remember in the last 20y in europe.

besides it is a bit unfair... US players at 17 don't have the option to play in such a high level
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on February 04, 2017, 02:36:51 PM
i would not go that far. imho he is the best 17yo player i can remember in the last 20y in europe.

besides it is a bit unfair... US players at 17 don't have the option to play in such a high level

It's an interesting conversation.

Can you imagine if the Celtics got the next truly great player with any one of these Nets picks?

I might just lose it.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: konkmv on February 04, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
ayton bamba doncic porter carter probably bolden allen and more........ 2018 nets pick ....
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 04, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deanondraft.com/2017/02/03/is-luka-doncic-the-best-prospect-ever/amp/?client=safari


Could he be the best prospect ever?
analysis is really flawed.

He pretty much writes that Steph Curry is MVP because he is extraordinarily skilled despite not being athletic thus skill is as valuable as athleticism. Doncic is obviously really really skilled, but the difference between Doncic's blanket high level skill and Stephs high level skill is that Steph had a single transcendent skill, shooting. He is the greatest to ever do it. He then developed a truly elite skill in his ball-handling.

Doncic seems really well rounded and can develop many elite skill akin to Stephs handle. He is also a good athlete. Problem is, in order to be the best ever, you need to be able to do something better than anyone else can.

Lebron is the greatest athlete in the NBA combined with an elite BBIQ.
Steph is the greatest shooter ever combined with an elite handle
Durant is the most dominant scorer in then NBA
Derrick Rose didnt deserve his MVP
Kobe was the greatest scorer in the NBA combined with elite athleticism
Steve Nash was the best passer in the league combined with elite shooting.
Dirk was the best shooting big man ever.

so what can Doncic do that no one can stop him from doing. He seems like he will be able to be very good in [dang] near every area, but where is his superlative skill? what can he do that he will be unstoppable in doing?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on February 04, 2017, 05:56:23 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deanondraft.com/2017/02/03/is-luka-doncic-the-best-prospect-ever/amp/?client=safari


Could he be the best prospect ever?
analysis is really flawed.

He pretty much writes that Steph Curry is MVP because he is extraordinarily skilled despite not being athletic thus skill is as valuable as athleticism. Doncic is obviously really really skilled, but the difference between Doncic's blanket high level skill and Stephs high level skill is that Steph had a single transcendent skill, shooting. He is the greatest to ever do it. He then developed a truly elite skill in his ball-handling.

Doncic seems really well rounded and can develop many elite skill akin to Stephs handle. He is also a good athlete. Problem is, in order to be the best ever, you need to be able to do something better than anyone else can.

Lebron is the greatest athlete in the NBA combined with an elite BBIQ.
Steph is the greatest shooter ever combined with an elite handle
Durant is the most dominant scorer in then NBA
Derrick Rose didnt deserve his MVP
Kobe was the greatest scorer in the NBA combined with elite athleticism
Steve Nash was the best passer in the league combined with elite shooting.
Dirk was the best shooting big man ever.

so what can Doncic do that no one can stop him from doing. He seems like he will be able to be very good in [dang] near every area, but where is his superlative skill? what can he do that he will be unstoppable in doing?

Doncic will be very good in the superlative, he will be unstoppable in being very good.

Seriously now, you make some good points about the article. I also did not like that the author did not define precisely what he means by 'prospect' and 'best prospect' (btw, he defined 'ever' as the last 30 years). Sloppy argumentation.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: OldSchoolDude on February 04, 2017, 07:34:46 PM
I really like this kid.  I've posted about him before.  Here is a link to him playing against OKC this past October.

https://youtu.be/9sPxV4YGNa0

Say what you will about Euro league talent, but he's playing real NBA players in this clip. Sure it's not his best game but you can see the skills and it's 2 years before he will be able to play in the nba.  He can make an active roster now and given two years of development and conditioning he will be ready top play real minutes from day one.  He's going to be really good player but if he has a grownth spurt he'll be a monster.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 06, 2017, 11:06:24 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deanondraft.com/2017/02/03/is-luka-doncic-the-best-prospect-ever/amp/?client=safari


Could he be the best prospect ever?
analysis is really flawed.

He pretty much writes that Steph Curry is MVP because he is extraordinarily skilled despite not being athletic thus skill is as valuable as athleticism. Doncic is obviously really really skilled, but the difference between Doncic's blanket high level skill and Stephs high level skill is that Steph had a single transcendent skill, shooting. He is the greatest to ever do it. He then developed a truly elite skill in his ball-handling.

Doncic seems really well rounded and can develop many elite skill akin to Stephs handle. He is also a good athlete. Problem is, in order to be the best ever, you need to be able to do something better than anyone else can.

Lebron is the greatest athlete in the NBA combined with an elite BBIQ.
Steph is the greatest shooter ever combined with an elite handle
Durant is the most dominant scorer in then NBA
Derrick Rose didnt deserve his MVP
Kobe was the greatest scorer in the NBA combined with elite athleticism
Steve Nash was the best passer in the league combined with elite shooting.
Dirk was the best shooting big man ever.

so what can Doncic do that no one can stop him from doing. He seems like he will be able to be very good in [dang] near every area, but where is his superlative skill? what can he do that he will be unstoppable in doing?
doncic is 17 years old. let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: clevelandceltic on February 06, 2017, 02:16:39 PM
I think the top 3 of the draft will be very interesting. There is a case to be made that he could be the top pick. I have him 2 or 3rd depending on his athletic ability and Michael Porter Jr. not wanting to bend his knees on D. I flip flop on these two depending on the day it seems. I think both are behind and engaged Ayton. Ayton offers much more engaged than either prospect.

Anyways, will be looking to watch this kid more over the coming year.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on February 09, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
This time he clinched the game in Kazan, Russia with a step-through layup.
 
https://twitter.com/kiaenzona/status/829745040150794240

He finished with 5 points, 7 rebounds, 11 assists. 11 assist here in Europe mean something like 15 assists in NBA.

By the way I'm neither Real Madrid fan nor Slovenian but it impossible not to be impressed, so I'm here sharing info about him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 09, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
This time he clinched the game in Kazan, Russia with a step-through layup.
 
https://twitter.com/kiaenzona/status/829745040150794240

He finished with 5 points, 7 rebounds, 11 assists. 11 assist here in Europe mean something like 15 assists in NBA.

By the way I'm neither Real Madrid fan nor Slovenian but it impossible not to be impressed, so I'm here sharing info about him.

11 assists is a ton.  European scorers have stricter requirements for assists than NBA scorers.  And in only 24 minutes of playing time -- every day I just want Doncic even more.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on February 09, 2017, 01:54:07 PM
Yes, another huge game from Doncic. He's owned the game without having to score too much. TP Detour for reporting before. I don't like Real Madrid at all either (being polite in this  ;D), but it is very hard not to be excited about the kid's future.

So ahead of Porzingis in terms of upside at this age.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on February 10, 2017, 11:00:43 AM
Nice video on DX:  http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Luka-Doncic---Pick-and-Roll-Passing-5800/

Kid looks like an NBA player at 17.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on March 04, 2017, 01:08:56 AM
Doncic turned 18 this week. No more 17 year-old Euroleague phenom.  Ah well.

To celebrate his increase in years, he went for 13/8/8 on 5-7 shooting in his first Euroleague game as an 18 year-old (albeit if a rare loss for Real Madrid.)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eja117 on March 04, 2017, 02:33:19 AM
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 04, 2017, 02:58:40 AM
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 04, 2017, 03:05:23 AM
Somebody: I didn't say it was my comparison, but in the local press it is the most proposed (I think due to height, passing and ball handling). My opinion about him is very high, but incomplete.
:o I see their point but [dang] Doncic's handling is not elite while Penny's was in his era. Passing wise I think they're almost the same but that's only one facet of the game and they do them in different styles. I'm high on luka (project him to be a rich man's Gallinari with ball handling) but I think he's being overhyped a little (accomplishments are very impressive but still not buying that he'll be anything close to what Penny or other what if greats did in their first few seasons). Anyways thanks for clarifying, appreciate the response
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: aporel#18 on March 04, 2017, 04:18:50 AM
The kid is still very young, he's growing and developing his body, and of course his game, but he's nothing like Gallinari.

Luka Doncic has more fight in one finger than most Euro wing prospects I've seen in a decade. The kid is a fierce competitor, and he would be more like a Paul Pierce than any other comparison. I'd like to see him staying with Real Madrid this season and two more, but I guess he'll declare in 2018.

If he keeps his progression, he could play 1-3 and only suffer with fast PGs on the defensive side. He's a strong rebounder, clutch scorer and there is no way you compare him to Gallinari:

https://youtu.be/Dax24qnY9pU (https://youtu.be/Dax24qnY9pU)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on March 04, 2017, 05:34:14 AM
He looks like he is in a Manu/Kukoč mold. Thats a killer combo in my book. Extremely creative. 18 years and Slovenian. Thats like a safer bet than a Canadian player, mentality and work ethic wise. Gimme some of that. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: adam8 on March 04, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
Somebody: I didn't say it was my comparison, but in the local press it is the most proposed (I think due to height, passing and ball handling). My opinion about him is very high, but incomplete.
:o I see their point but [dang] Doncic's handling is not elite while Penny's was in his era. Passing wise I think they're almost the same but that's only one facet of the game and they do them in different styles. I'm high on luka (project him to be a rich man's Gallinari with ball handling) but I think he's being overhyped a little (accomplishments are very impressive but still not buying that he'll be anything close to what Penny or other what if greats did in their first few seasons). Anyways thanks for clarifying, appreciate the response
I am going to preface this by saying I don't know enough about this kid to say he's like this guy or that guy, however everything I have read he is a really good to great passer, can play make off the dribble for teammates and all that. So you go after the penny comparison saying it's bad because of handling and then compare him to a guy that averages 1.9 assists a game in his career never averaged 3 assists a game so sounds like a pretty sloppy comparison there as well.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 04, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on March 06, 2017, 04:59:43 AM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: oldtype on March 06, 2017, 11:40:53 AM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

It's really hard to think up a comp for Doncic because his defining characteristic right now is that he's above average~good at everything despite being seventeen freaking years old.  I think you'd need to see him develop another year or so before you can figure out what his eventual elite abilities will be.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gift on March 06, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on March 06, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.
So we are looking for an athletic white guard, about 6'4, that is fast, pushes it in the transition, can score, can pass and is a hard nosed competitor with great motor.
That one is easy, Danny Ainge!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

It's really hard to think up a comp for Doncic because his defining characteristic right now is that he's above average~good at everything despite being seventeen freaking years old.  I think you'd need to see him develop another year or so before you can figure out what his eventual elite abilities will be.
The closest I can come up with is a faster, right handed Toni Kukoč. He is about 2 inches shorter, but just turned 18 so he could add 1% of total height. I had a privilege to watch Toni dominate Europe at age of 19, something unparalled since, but Dončić has that opportunity playing for Madrid. Mostly known as a forward, Toni was a guard back then. And a true matchup nightmare. He was much faster without that weight he put on in the Benetton club and even more in Chicago. First 360 dunk I ever saw was his transition one in 1989. Kukoč was so good in Europe that he won his 3rd straight Europan championship with Split even after two future NBA players, later Celtics Rađa and Žan Tabak, went international.
Dončić has his floor vision and many fundamentals paired with great lenght.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 06, 2017, 12:42:19 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.

There is no comp for Westbrook, white, black or green. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: vgulab on March 06, 2017, 01:19:21 PM
The kid has Ginobili skills in much bigger body.  Great shooter, strong in driving to the rim with some nasty ball handling skills.

Not sure how good his defense is and also he is not too fast. So speed and defense might be a problem.

EDIT: for comparison Paul George comes in mind in terms of body and shooting, but in terms of playing style i see some Ginobili in his handling and passing
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on March 06, 2017, 01:26:57 PM
Well, Danny won't draft him...he never drafts Euros.

Wait, what?

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gift on March 06, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.

There is no comp for Westbrook, white, black or green.

Insert Kermit the Frog meme where he is sipping his drink and telling you how he was a Tier 1 prospect before back to back ACL surgeries.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on March 06, 2017, 01:38:58 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.

There is no comp for Westbrook, white, black or green.

Insert Kermit the Frog meme where he is sipping his drink and telling you how he was a Tier 1 prospect before back to back ACL surgeries.

LOL tp gift.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on March 06, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
The Gallinari comp works because he's white, and the rule is you can only compare white guys to other white guys.
Actually, if you are working for Rockets GM D. Morrey, you can only make a cross-race comparison. I guess then you have to be more creative. He gave a Dekker/H.Barnes comparison, Zach Lowe gave Manu/Harden. For Dončić, the closest I can come up with is Penny, because of the size and court vision.

I heard that too. I want to ask Daryl Morey to give me a white guy comp for Russell Westbrook.

There is no comp for Westbrook, white, black or green.

Insert Kermit the Frog meme where he is sipping his drink and telling you how he was a Tier 1 prospect before back to back ACL surgeries.

I guess there was a Westbrook comp after all.  Well played.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on March 23, 2017, 01:58:26 AM
Doncic against Barcelona in Euroleague yesterday:

5 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals, 5 fouls received, 0 turnovers... in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 23, 2017, 02:15:27 AM
He fills up a stat sheet.  Would love him and Fultz together.

Also we could draft him and we would be an ideal bench player at first that would allow us to keep our current team, but make it better while he progresses.  Just a great fit for us.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 23, 2017, 04:01:57 AM
 ::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 23, 2017, 04:02:13 AM
Double post sincere apologies
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 23, 2017, 04:10:06 AM
Somebody: I didn't say it was my comparison, but in the local press it is the most proposed (I think due to height, passing and ball handling). My opinion about him is very high, but incomplete.
:o I see their point but [dang] Doncic's handling is not elite while Penny's was in his era. Passing wise I think they're almost the same but that's only one facet of the game and they do them in different styles. I'm high on luka (project him to be a rich man's Gallinari with ball handling) but I think he's being overhyped a little (accomplishments are very impressive but still not buying that he'll be anything close to what Penny or other what if greats did in their first few seasons). Anyways thanks for clarifying, appreciate the response
I am going to preface this by saying I don't know enough about this kid to say he's like this guy or that guy, however everything I have read he is a really good to great passer, can play make off the dribble for teammates and all that. So you go after the penny comparison saying it's bad because of handling and then compare him to a guy that averages 1.9 assists a game in his career never averaged 3 assists a game so sounds like a pretty sloppy comparison there as well.

Well I did say very good ball handling skills, I left out better passing and court vision so yeah apologies but Gallinari plus those would be similar to Doncic I think
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on April 11, 2017, 12:22:27 PM
Guys, are you watching this "kid"?
https://youtu.be/OB60sYnXPS4
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on April 11, 2017, 01:02:49 PM
Guys, are you watching this "kid"?
https://youtu.be/OB60sYnXPS4

Thanks for sharing this vid.  For those who haven't watched, it's not a highlight video, but rather is an 8-minute cut-up of most of the plays Doncic was involved in.  His line from the game was 15 points on 6-12, 13 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 TO.  If you have the 8 minutes, I recommend watching it.  If not, start watching around the 3:30 mark for a ridiculous pass.

Normally the draftees from Europe are talked about as being the best prospect from Europe as a way to hype on draft night.  But when Doncic is selected next year, there's a very real chance he could be the best player in Europe at the time of his selection.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on April 11, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
Most surprising strenght in his game is the willingnes to initiate contact. A thing that 18 y/olds don't often do, and he is going against 28 y/old ex-NBA players and Europeans elite. That shows his mental toughnes to me. He also uses both of his hands, while trying to find the angle to score or pass. That increases free throw rate IMO.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on April 11, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
Thanks for the link.  Watching him, I don't see a Hardaway comp, who to my memory was more fluid and athletic.  He's got more of a herky jerky, careful, probing way of attacking that reminds me more of a guy like Harden.  If I really want to go out on a limb I see a little of Larry Bird.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mef730 on April 11, 2017, 02:34:44 PM
Guys, are you watching this "kid"?
https://youtu.be/OB60sYnXPS4

Those passes are just sick.

Added bonus: He's playing against BKN in that video.

Mike
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on April 18, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
I admit, I haven't watched full UCLA games featuring Lonzo Ball. I saw many game highlights throughout the year and draftexpress scouting videos. He seems like he will go in the 2/4 range. But watching Dončić play, I can't really find any advantage Ball would have over him.
Dončić is younger, has played against superior competition for years, same goes for coaching, has better size (point forward potential), wider frame, seems a bit stronger, has a polished shooting form with great arc, doesn't shy away from contact, hits his free throws and his father was a bball player too, so he has that pedigee. He goes for the rebounds, pushes it up the floor on every oportunity and has the flashiness that lights up the crowd. Both are good, but not elite athletes, that have OK, but not great lenght. They also look like they could play in any system regardless of their teamates, since they are versatile (can drible, pass and shoot).
Some might percieve me biased (he is not my countrymen), but I don't see that one (or any) thing that might put Ball over him. I am realy excited with the small posibility we might get our hands on this kid. If you have seen Dončić play, please tell me, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mahcus smaht on April 18, 2017, 06:41:00 PM
I admit I haven't watched full UCLA games featuring Lonzo Ball. I saw many game highlights throughout the year and draftexpress scouting videos. He seems like he will go in the 2/4 range. But watching Dončić play, I can't really find any advantage Ball would have over him.
Dončić is younger, has played against superior competition for years, same goes for coaching, has better size (point forward potential), wider frame, seems a bit stronger, has a polished shooting form with great arc, doesn't shy away from contact, hits his free throws and his father was a bball player too, so he has that pedigee. He goes for the rebounds, pushes it up the floor on every oportunity and has the flashiness that lights up the crowd. Both are good, but not elite athletes that have OK, but not great lenght. They also look like they could play in any system regardless of their teamates, since they are versatile (can drible, pass and shoot).
Some might percieve me biased (he is not my countrymen), but I don't see that one (or any) thing that might put Ball over him. I am realy excited with the small posibility we might get our hands on this kid. If you hace seen Dončić play, please tell mem am I missing something?
Ball is a better athlete to my eyes.

He can really fly in transition, Jeff Green type athleticism.

Also, havent seen enough of either of them to really comment on this but based on reports Ive read, Ball is a more gifted passer.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on May 04, 2017, 01:49:41 PM
http://ballineurope.com/luka-doncic-real-madrid-profile-basketball-6032/


Looks like he's really going to be something kind of special.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on May 04, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Playing such an important role at 18 for the one of the top3 (even the best) teams in europe is already a huge accomplishment. He has the skills and the brain to make it

My only question is about his athletic ability and how it affects his defence. I don't think he is fast enough to guard the Walls and the Irvings....
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on May 04, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
My only question is about his athletic ability and how it affects his defence. I don't think he is fast enough to guard the Walls and the Irvings....

He'll guard the Beals and JRs...
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on May 04, 2017, 03:21:48 PM
You think he can?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on May 04, 2017, 04:23:53 PM
You think he can?
Too early to tell, buddy. But he has the intelligence to defend well. Let's see the physical development.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on May 10, 2017, 06:51:06 PM
He got the Rising Star award in Euroleague. It is similar to ROY, given to best player under 22 years old. Doncic is youngest winner ever, having turned 18 this season. Below is a short video about it:

https://youtu.be/ZfDtalvUK5k
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on May 10, 2017, 07:21:31 PM
Apologies guys I don't see him having any GOAT potential most of you guys see he has, it's just a gut feeling. I do see the makings of a very good player though, but I would pick Porter, Ayton and Bamba ahead of him. I hope the Celtics don't draft him and let the suns draft him to pair with Bender lol(if my gut feeling is right Doncic will have "busted" with such high expectations)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on May 10, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Apologies guys I don't see him having any GOAT potential most of you guys see he has, it's just a gut feeling. I do see the makings of a very good player though, but I would pick Porter, Ayton and Bamba ahead of him. I hope the Celtics don't draft him and let the suns draft him to pair with Bender lol(if my gut feeling is right Doncic will have "busted" with such high expectations)

I'm not going to say Doncic is going to be a stud, but Porter,Ayton and Bamba are playing against kids.Some kids wont even sniff college let alone any pro league.  Doncic is paying against men. Big difference in how they will look in highlights.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 11, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
Unless Doncic is the next manu... Pass
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on May 11, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
I hope the Celtics don't draft him and let the suns draft him to pair with Bender lol(if my gut feeling is right Doncic will have "busted" with such high expectations)


Doncic and Bender cannot be in the same sentence. Like comparing Ray Allen to Alen Ray!
I said it soo many times but i will say it again.... Bender was an end of the bench player for the worse Maccabi team of the last 20 years playing in a average league.

Doncic on the other hand is KEY player for a team that will probably win the Spanish league (best league not named NBA) and the Euroleague.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on May 11, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
I hope the Celtics don't draft him and let the suns draft him to pair with Bender lol(if my gut feeling is right Doncic will have "busted" with such high expectations)


Doncic and Bender cannot be in the same sentence. Like comparing Ray Allen to Alen Ray!
I said it soo many times but i will say it again.... Bender was an end of the bench player for the worse Maccabi team of the last 20 years playing in a average league.

Doncic on the other hand is KEY player for a team that will probably win the Spanish league (best league not named NBA) and the Euroleague.

Is doncic more fournier

Or manu?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on May 11, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
tb, why not make your own decision on that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-v6h28Wiqc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbfuW2KBMc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB60sYnXPS4 (watch the shot at 49 seconds in)

remember his age and the level of competition when watching. enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on May 11, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
Is doncic more fournier

Or manu?

He is much more Manu than Fournier. I am not saying he is Manu , i am not saying he will be like Manu. But Manu at 18 played for Andino Sport Club (?!?!?!?) and Doncic leads Real Madrid.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on May 19, 2017, 07:04:15 AM
Today Doncic will be on the biggest stage in Europe, final four. Madrid will play against Fenerbahçe, where ex Celtic Gigi Datome plays. Here is a pre-game summary from Euroleague official site:

Quote
The Sinan Erdem Dome is expected to be rocking when last season’s runner-up, Fenerbahce Istanbul, and nine-time EuroLeague champion Real Madrid clash in the second semifinal of the Final Four on Friday. Madrid arrives with a EuroLeague best 26-8 record, having scored the second-most points (86 ppg.) and led the league in assists (20.5 apg.), three-pointers made (9.8 per game) and performance index rating (101.6), but faces a team playing under the winningest head coach in EuroLeague history. The two teams split the season series, with Fenerbahce edging Madrid 78-77 at home in Round 10 and Madrid rallying to a 61-56 win in Round 29. That loss was Fenerbhace’s fourth loss in five games late in the regular season, but Coach Zeljko Obradovic, winner of eight EuroLeague titles and in his 16th Final Four as a head coach, had his team playing the best basketball of the season when needed most – in the playoffs. Fenerbahce got past Panathinaikos Superfoods Athens by becoming the first team to sweep a playoff series without home-court advantage and did so behind stellar performances from Bogdan Bogdanovic who posted 19.3 points on 60% three-point shooting, along with 7 rebounds, 4 assists and an average index rating of 26 in the playoffs. Big man Ekpe Udoh was worth 13.3 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 rebounds per game in that series, after shining for the majority of the season, too. Despite big production from those two players, Fenerbahce has a lot of great contributors. Bobby Dixon (11.3 ppg., 3.2 apg.), Kostas Sloukas (10.2 ppg., 4.5 apg.), and Jan Vesely (10.1 ppg., 4.5 rpg.) stand out among others, with winger Luigi Datome (9.6 ppg., 3.9 rpg.) also a big-name difference maker. Fenerbahce allowed the third-fewest points (73.9 ppg.) in the league this season, protected the paint with the second-most blocks (3.4 bpg.) and allowed the third-fewest offensive rebounds (9.8 per game). Madrid possess one of the most balanced offenses, with 10 different players contributing at least 5 points and more than five players averaging more than 1.5 assists. Sergio Llull is the motor of the team with 16.4 points and 5.9 assists, and big men Anthony Randolph (10.5 ppg., 5.3 rpg., 1.1 bpg.) and Gustavo Ayon (10 ppg., 5.2 rpg., 2.4 apg.) are forces in the front court. Ayon makes a historically high 71.4% of all his shots, and Randolph opens things up with this timely three-point shots. Teenage sensation Luka Doncic (8.1 ppg., 4.5 rpg., 4.3 apg.) has done a little bit of everything as does veteran swingman Rudy Fernandez. With the outside shooting of Jaycee Carroll, Jonas Maciulis (51.5% 3FG) and Trey Thompkins (47.4% 3FG), the toughness inside of Othello Hunter (7.6 ppg., 4.5 rpg.) and the unmatched experience of center Felipe Reyes and forward Andres Nocioni, Madrid is a team of very few flaws, looking the part, and ready for the challenge of facing the local team on the biggest basketball stage.

SEMIFINAL A
FENERBAHCE ISTANBUL-
REAL MADRID-
MAY 19 20:30 CET

SEMIFINAL B
CSKA MOSCOW-
OLYMPIACOS PIRAEUS-
MAY 19 17:30 CET

Top players to watch:

Fener:
Bogdanovic (leader of the team, Kings stash and all-Euroleague)
Udoh (heart of the team, ex-NBA, also all-Euroleague)
Dixon (5' 10" PG, never takes a step back, similar persona to IT)

Madrid:
Llull (leader, possible to move to NBA, also all-Euroleague)
Doncic (youngest ever Euroleague Rising Star)
Randolph (ex-NBA, you know the guy)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on July 20, 2017, 09:38:07 AM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on July 20, 2017, 04:26:12 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

I was surprised to find out that some think he's just a glorified version of Hedo Turkoglu...if that's the case...yucky!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 20, 2017, 04:41:07 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

I was surprised to find out that some think he's just a glorified version of Hedo Turkoglu...if that's the case...yucky!

Yeah, he's not.  That's absurd.  Turkoglu never had any special ability to run the point, even tho he was a very good passer. 

I'll also say that Hedo played a very long time in the NBA, and while not a star, was a valuable player for near a decade.  Yucky is not a fair way to describe him at all.  The quote made it sound like that was his floor, and that's a good floor.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 20, 2017, 04:43:37 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

I was surprised to find out that some think he's just a glorified version of Hedo Turkoglu...if that's the case...yucky!

There was also a ridiculous comparison to Larry Bird.  The writer said straight up that Larry Bird at age 18 would not be as good as Doncic is now in the Euroleague.

I have no clue how good Larry Bird was at 18 but I think that saying that is pretty silly.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 20, 2017, 04:44:45 PM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/544/608/hi-res-9d4406921316fbc9c0fa1d5da466cbb8_crop_north.jpg?1447363876&w=630&h=420)

Doncic vs Westbrook
https://youtu.be/9sPxV4YGNa0
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2017, 04:55:26 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

I was surprised to find out that some think he's just a glorified version of Hedo Turkoglu...if that's the case...yucky!

There was also a ridiculous comparison to Larry Bird.  The writer said straight up that Larry Bird at age 18 would not be as good as Doncic is now in the Euroleague.

I have no clue how good Larry Bird was at 18 but I think that saying that is pretty silly.

Larry was dropping out of IU as a benchwarmer and driving a garbage truck at 18 lol. I have little doubt Doncic is a better player now than Larry Legend was at the same age. Larry was a bit of a late bloomer. No one had ever heard of him until his sophomore at ISU..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on July 20, 2017, 06:03:38 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..

Next Celtics dynasty

Doncic
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
Zizic

Unless Davis can't be acquired, then I'd expect Danny to get Doncic and a Big in the '18 draft and bring in Horford off the bench.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2017, 06:08:48 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..

Next Celtics dynasty

Doncic
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
Zizic

Unless Davis can't be acquired, then I'd expect Danny to get Doncic and a Big in the '18 draft and bring in Horford off the bench.

Precisely my thinking. Brown, Tatum, Hayward will rotate at the swing position. He'll do his best to try to get Davis, if it fizzles out he'll just draft Bagley, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba and call it a day..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on July 20, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..

Next Celtics dynasty

Doncic
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
Zizic

Unless Davis can't be acquired, then I'd expect Danny to get Doncic and a Big in the '18 draft and bring in Horford off the bench.

Precisely my thinking. Brown, Tatum, Hayward will rotate at the swing position. He'll do his best to try to get Davis, if it fizzles out he'll just draft Bagley, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba and call it a day..

Exact same page, only I think Danny might have to painfully give up Brown in a potential Davis deal.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..

Next Celtics dynasty

Doncic
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
Zizic

Unless Davis can't be acquired, then I'd expect Danny to get Doncic and a Big in the '18 draft and bring in Horford off the bench.

Precisely my thinking. Brown, Tatum, Hayward will rotate at the swing position. He'll do his best to try to get Davis, if it fizzles out he'll just draft Bagley, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba and call it a day..

Exact same page, only I think Danny might have to painfully give up Brown in a potential Davis deal.

Probably, although I'm not too worried about. I think the chances of a Davis trade are so low. I can't remember when a top-8 player like that was traded under 30. Once a team gets a guy like that, they just keep trying to build around them until they are almost out of gas. I'm just staring at Bagley and Porter highlights at this point lol
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on July 20, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
2 months without a single post.
No call too.
Some girls would already be offended.

https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

Ringer's article about Dončić.

LOL CB has already decided Luka is "slow", "unathletic", and will be eaten alive in the L.

Personally I think he's the reason Danny went out to get the Laker pick..

Next Celtics dynasty

Doncic
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
Zizic

Unless Davis can't be acquired, then I'd expect Danny to get Doncic and a Big in the '18 draft and bring in Horford off the bench.

Precisely my thinking. Brown, Tatum, Hayward will rotate at the swing position. He'll do his best to try to get Davis, if it fizzles out he'll just draft Bagley, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba and call it a day..

Exact same page, only I think Danny might have to painfully give up Brown in a potential Davis deal.

Probably, although I'm not too worried about. I think the chances of a Davis trade are so low. I can't remember when a top-8 player like that was traded under 30. Once a team gets a guy like that, they just keep trying to build around them until they are almost out of gas. I'm just staring at Bagley and Porter highlights at this point lol


Agree on this too.  I want Danny to go after Davis and I'm sure he will...but it's more likely to end up with Doncic and a younger big.  That's fine, plenty of money for extensions and to attract veterans to support the young super team.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: clevelandceltic on July 21, 2017, 12:56:34 PM
The hype around this kid is hitting sky high levels which I find interesting because his games are very hard to find on tv and rarely do people sit around on the internet and watch full games at odd times of the day.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: footey on July 21, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
His novelty is the fact that he is leading PG on a major European League team at an extremely young age.  Very high BBIQ. But athletically does not blow you away.  Will be a lot of debate as to where he should go in next year's draft. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 21, 2017, 01:24:51 PM
His novelty is the fact that he is leading PG on a major European League team at an extremely young age.  Very high BBIQ. But athletically does not blow you away.  Will be a lot of debate as to where he should go in next year's draft.

He will be very polarizing. At the end of the day, I think he's too good to go at least 3
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on July 21, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
His novelty is the fact that he is leading PG on a major European League team at an extremely young age.

Small correctoin... Llull is Real's primary pg but Doncic is indeed a key player which is in itself impressive considering his age.

Very high BBIQ. But athletically does not blow you away.  Will be a lot of debate as to where he should go in next year's draft.

Very true. His talent belongs to the NBA but i can't see him staying in front of players like Kyrie or Wall
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 22, 2017, 01:45:01 AM
https://theringer.com/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

It may have been already posted but the ringer did an article on him
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on July 22, 2017, 03:16:33 AM
I adore Doncic (see who opened the thread lol) but there is no way he can stay in front of NBA PGs. He is about 6-8 and not exceptionally agile.

But the thing is Doncic is so versatile in offense, he can fit in many situations in different teams, and he is not a liability in defense - especially if he keeps filling out his frame like he did in past two years.

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: loco_91 on July 26, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
I adore Doncic (see who opened the thread lol) but there is no way he can stay in front of NBA PGs. He is about 6-8 and not exceptionally agile.

But the thing is Doncic is so versatile in offense, he can fit in many situations in different teams, and he is not a liability in defense - especially if he keeps filling out his frame like he did in past two years.

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 26, 2017, 12:23:32 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on July 26, 2017, 12:30:06 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.
This. People lose their **** when a young 17 year old kid performs in the euroleague and claim him as the next GOAT. Doing so is no mean feat but it wasn't like he was setting the league on fire, he was just an above average player (that's a huge accomplishment but that's not exactly the mark of a potential GOAT). TP for bringing the thread back to reality though. Doncic has superstar potential though.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on July 26, 2017, 12:33:01 PM
Doncic is a fine athlete. He's not an elite athlete, and he would struggle to guard many PGs, but there are only a few players 6'7 or taller who wouldn't struggle to guard most PGs. Ideally, if PG does turn out to be his best position, he would be teamed with another guard who can better handle the better offensive PGs.

His BBIQ is off the charts, and he can do almost everything well. He's going to be a terrific player. I'd be thrilled if we got him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 26, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
Doncic is a nice player but the hype on him is crazy.

I think he's going to have a long, impressive career in the NBA but does not strike me as a superstar like Anthony Davis or even Ben Simmons who shares a similar skills set in a power forwards body.

Doncic will be a top 5 pick but probably not #1 unless all the incoming freshman stink this upcoming season.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: loco_91 on July 26, 2017, 12:40:01 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.

Mock drafts that don't have Doncic #1 are silly. It's a bit of hyperbole to call Doncic a 6'7 Chris Paul, but only a bit.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 26, 2017, 12:52:33 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.

Mock drafts that don't have Doncic #1 are silly. It's a bit of hyperbole to call Doncic a 6'7 Chris Paul, but only a bit.

It seems like you know a lot about Doncic so I would like your opinion on this:

I know that you never draft for need/fit but how do you feel about how Luca may fit in next to Jaylen and Jayson going forward?

I mean, can Jaylen guard point guards full-time? Can Luka guard shooting guards in the NBA at all?

Is Luka an elite three point shooter?  If so, sign me up!  Jaylen is probably going to be a good three point shooter and hopefully Jayson as well.  It would be nice to have at least one of our wings be an elite shooter not just good.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: loco_91 on July 26, 2017, 01:04:34 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.

Mock drafts that don't have Doncic #1 are silly. It's a bit of hyperbole to call Doncic a 6'7 Chris Paul, but only a bit.

It seems like you know a lot about Doncic so I would like your opinion on this:

I know that you never draft for need/fit but how do you feel about how Luca may fit in next to Jaylen and Jayson going forward?

I mean, can Jaylen guard point guards full-time? Can Luka guard shooting guards in the NBA at all?

Is Luka an elite three point shooter?  If so, sign me up!  Jaylen is probably going to be a good three point shooter and hopefully Jayson as well.  It would be nice to have at least one of our wings be an elite shooter not just good.
Yeah, Smart/Brown/Doncic/Tatum would be a totally viable unit 1-4. It's pretty hard to have too many good wings. There are 3x48 minutes for versatile wings, so unless you have >5 wings who need 30mpg each, it's not an issue.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on July 26, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Middling athlete, high IQ, good motor.  Somewhere between Adam Morrison and Gordon Hayward.  I'd err on the low side.  Turkoglu seems a good comp.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on July 26, 2017, 01:57:27 PM

About floor/ceiling, I see his floor slightly higher than Hedo. His ceiling... I don't know, he is maybe the greatest European prospect since Gasol. For example Rubio was extremely hyped as early as 14 years old, but he had an obvious flaw in his game (shooting). Doncic has no flaw in his game, other than mediocre/average agility (not athleticism).

Honestly, "greatest Euro prospect since Gasol" undersells Doncic by quite a bit. "Greatest prospect since AD" might be closer to the mark.

Waitaminnit. Doncic is projected in many mocks to go anywhere from 3d to 5th next year - and that's without adding in Marvin Bagley, who may reclassify. Bagley seems very likely to be drafted higher, and almost certainly would be considered to have a higher ceiling. Doncic may develop into a very nice player, even an all-star. But his limitations are also pretty obvious, and I don't see anything that tells me he's going to be an elite player on both ends (which AD is now) or a top-5 player - which AD is very close to already, at 24.

Mock drafts that don't have Doncic #1 are silly. It's a bit of hyperbole to call Doncic a 6'7 Chris Paul, but only a bit.

I don't know about the mock drafts as i have no idea about college players but after watching a lot of Real games Doncic looks better than Rubio , better than Gasol at 18 but he is not on AD's level. Although i try to ignore it athleticism matters .. a lot
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 26, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
People who keep calling Doncic a point guard either haven't seen him play, haven't been following the kid or don't know basketball all that well. He's a small forward and that is what his position will be in the NBA. He can bring the ball up and has some "point guard skills" like passing and vision but that is not his niche. He DOES seem to have very good hand/eye coordination and that is a deadly combination if he keeps developing. He IS kind of over the hill as he's already 18!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 29, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 29, 2017, 07:11:59 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on July 29, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?

He already IS a game-changer in highest level of competition outside of NBA, at the age of 18. The question is whether he can continue to do so in NBA.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: loco_91 on July 29, 2017, 11:06:40 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?

I don't see this comp. Hayward is a conventional wing scorer - nothing really unusual about his game, he's just all-around really good on offense. Doncic is more of a unique talent with his elite PG skills at 6'8. The only good comp I can think of for Doncic is Magic, although obviously he's more likely to be a top 20ish player like Hayward than he is to be greatest PG of all time.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 29, 2017, 11:24:36 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

Nick's comp of Doncic was Danilo Galinari. Definitely a good player. That seems more likely than Magic Johnson.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nebist on July 29, 2017, 11:32:07 PM
Not sure if they don't respect his 3 point shot or the defense was just p--- poor in that highlight clip.  He was wide open by about 10 feet on all those 3s and guys were going way under the pick every time.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 29, 2017, 11:34:35 PM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?




 This dude couldn't hold Hayward's Jock. Hayward is a very good athlete, this guy can barely get over the rim. He's lucky he's too tall, I'll pass and go with Homegrown USA talent in the top 5.
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Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 30, 2017, 01:11:24 AM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?




 This dude couldn't hold Hayward's Jock. Hayward is a very good athlete, this guy can barely get over the rim. He's lucky he's too tall, I'll pass and go with Homegrown USA talent in the top 5.
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They're not really similar players.

But to say that Doncic is only running the point on arguably the best non-NBA club at 18 years old because he's "too tall" is ridiculous, and goes to show that you really don't know much about him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 30, 2017, 02:58:55 AM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?




 This dude couldn't hold Hayward's Jock. Hayward is a very good athlete, this guy can barely get over the rim. He's lucky he's too tall, I'll pass and go with Homegrown USA talent in the top 5.
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They're not really similar players.

But to say that Doncic is only running the point on arguably the best non-NBA club at 18 years old because he's "too tall" is ridiculous, and goes to show that you really don't know much about him.




 I didn't say that. If he wasn't 6'8" he wouldn't even be a top prospect. I don't see why he's being talked about so much, he's not a good fit for the Celtics. Unless of course we don't pay Thomas.

 He's a point guard basically that won't be able to defend point guards. His jumper has a very slow release, slower than Tatum's.
 
 
 And if you wanna call him a point forward fine, but he's nowhere near the Athletes that Hayward, Tatum, or Brown is.


 He's ranked #2 right now, my prediction is he falls  a couple spots when the process is finished. For the Celtics anyway
 I would take Bamba, Ayton, or certainly Porter JR over him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 30, 2017, 03:31:49 AM
He doesn't need to be any where near the athlete that Hayward, Brown, or Tatum is.  His talent level is off the charts.  He gets his 3 off from the dribble faster than any one but IT on this roster.  With his size, bball IQ, and state of the NBA, that's just scary.  He's going to be a great player.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 30, 2017, 04:07:00 AM
He doesn't need to be any where near the athlete that Hayward, Brown, or Tatum is.  His talent level is off the charts.  He gets his 3 off from the dribble faster than any one but IT on this roster.  With his size, bball IQ, and state of the NBA, that's just scary.  He's going to be a great player.



 Do you really think we need him though? Isn't Porter JR and Ayton better fits.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 30, 2017, 04:54:15 AM
He doesn't need to be any where near the athlete that Hayward, Brown, or Tatum is.  His talent level is off the charts.  He gets his 3 off from the dribble faster than any one but IT on this roster.  With his size, bball IQ, and state of the NBA, that's just scary.  He's going to be a great player.



 Do you really think we need him though? Isn't Porter JR and Ayton better fits.
BPA, always BPA. Fill the gaps after
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 30, 2017, 04:55:05 AM
Bball breakdowns analysis of Doncic so far:

https://youtu.be/uu_Ejkd8N8E

I put alot of stock in the xs and os of coach Nicks analysis of prospects, and he believes that Doncic is a PG offensively

When I see Doncic, I think Hayward. Is that a wrong assessment? I don't watch a lot of European basketball.

He seems comfortable with the ball in his hands, has a good sense of the game, and can shoot. Appears to be a jack of all trades player, but does he have a couple elite skills? I'm not sure.

I like Hayward and am happy that he is here, but I don't think that he is a top 15 player in the NBA. I'm hoping to hit a HR with a top 3-5 pick, and I'm not sure that Doncic is that guy. Can someone (pref. someone that knows a little about the guy) convince me that he's a game changer?




 This dude couldn't hold Hayward's Jock. Hayward is a very good athlete, this guy can barely get over the rim. He's lucky he's too tall, I'll pass and go with Homegrown USA talent in the top 5.
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They're not really similar players.

But to say that Doncic is only running the point on arguably the best non-NBA club at 18 years old because he's "too tall" is ridiculous, and goes to show that you really don't know much about him.




 I didn't say that. If he wasn't 6'8" he wouldn't even be a top prospect. I don't see why he's being talked about so much, he's not a good fit for the Celtics. Unless of course we don't pay Thomas.

 He's a point guard basically that won't be able to defend point guards. His jumper has a very slow release, slower than Tatum's.
 
 
 And if you wanna call him a point forward fine, but he's nowhere near the Athletes that Hayward, Tatum, or Brown is.


 He's ranked #2 right now, my prediction is he falls  a couple spots when the process is finished. For the Celtics anyway
 I would take Bamba, Ayton, or certainly Porter JR over him.
You're completely wrong when you say that he's only a top prospect because he's tall. That's ridiculous. He's got the highest BBIQ out of all the top prospects, and can control the game unlike many.
You say he's not a good fit, which is pretty weird considering we only have one real point guard on the roster and he might be getting max money. His lack of speed is very exaggerated, especially when so many point guards score off of mismatches made through the P&R, hence Brad liking "positionless" versatile guys - aka Doncic.

I don't think Porter fits better, but I would probably take Ayton over him, depending on their years. Bagley above them all.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 30, 2017, 07:30:40 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on July 30, 2017, 09:18:53 AM
It would be extremely helpful to watch a couple of games and not just YouTube highlights. I don't think people realise that doncic at 18 is for second year key part of a team competing of in the highest level in the toughest league not named NBA... Paul wasn't a key member of Barcelona when drafted, Jenkins who was considered top prospect played in Italy, a lower level league compared to Spain, and barely made any impact.

I don't know if he fits or not but Doncic is the best 18year old in Europe the last 20 years
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 30, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
You'd think Boston fans would know a thing or two about stars with average athleticism ;)

I don't know why he's overlooked to the degree that he is by some on this board.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on July 30, 2017, 10:13:56 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
You'd think Boston fans would know a thing or two about stars with average athleticism ;)

I don't know why he's overlooked to the degree that he is by some on this board.
We aren't saying he won't be good, we think he'll be a star but what we want is a guy who'll be a 1st tier guy like AD and Bagley, Porter and Ayton all have a better shot at being that. I think KGLL was just annoyed by some who proclaim Doncic as the next big thing, I mean he has excellent talent but not (yet, if he tears it up in Real I'll be screaming Luka and Bagley instead of Bagley and Ayton) transcendent talent.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on July 30, 2017, 10:27:47 AM
The kid is skilled and I think he'll be a star as well.  Next big thing?  Could be, but premature.  If he's going to be a PG the C's are best served to hold both picks and shoot for Doncic and the best big they can get.  Adding those two to the talent we already have will lead to a stacked team.  I wouldn't worry about any single transcendent talent at that point.  If they fit and can all develop chemistry, the Celtics will be difficult to beat for a long time.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 30, 2017, 10:57:08 AM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 30, 2017, 10:59:48 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
You'd think Boston fans would know a thing or two about stars with average athleticism ;)

I don't know why he's overlooked to the degree that he is by some on this board.
We aren't saying he won't be good, we think he'll be a star but what we want is a guy who'll be a 1st tier guy like AD and Bagley, Porter and Ayton all have a better shot at being that. I think KGLL was just annoyed by some who proclaim Doncic as the next big thing, I mean he has excellent talent but not (yet, if he tears it up in Real I'll be screaming Luka and Bagley instead of Bagley and Ayton) transcendent talent.
I simply disagree with your evaluation of his talent then.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on July 30, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
You'd think Boston fans would know a thing or two about stars with average athleticism ;)

I don't know why he's overlooked to the degree that he is by some on this board.
We aren't saying he won't be good, we think he'll be a star but what we want is a guy who'll be a 1st tier guy like AD and Bagley, Porter and Ayton all have a better shot at being that. I think KGLL was just annoyed by some who proclaim Doncic as the next big thing, I mean he has excellent talent but not (yet, if he tears it up in Real I'll be screaming Luka and Bagley instead of Bagley and Ayton) transcendent talent.
I simply disagree with your evaluation of his talent then.
I guess so. We'll see this year, I'll gladly change my opinion about his talent if he beasts the Euroleague lol.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 30, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
As of right now, I'm team Bagley and Ayton.

With that being said, I hope Luka Doncic absolutely kills it in Europe this year.  It will only make the draft stronger.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 30, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
For the life of me I don't understand how people who watched the Celtics last year, especially in the playoffs, are concerned that Doncic is too slow to defend NBA PGs, and that since he's a PG, it's a problem.  IT is 5'9" and can't defend NBA PGs regularly, so they threw him on taller, low usage wings, whom he gave up 8-12 inches to.  Doncic is a foot taller -- the Celtics can throw him on those low usage wings the very same way, except they wouldn't have a height disadvantage.

And even if you think I'm wrong about the above, and that he will be forced to guard those 6'2" PG, logically that means that they'll have to guard him.  And that's going to work completely to his advantage, as he'll have no trouble getting his shot off nor seeing over them to make whatever pass he wants.

I personally don't think the athleticism/quickness thing is actually set in stone -- he's just 18 and those attributes are probably still catching up to his size a fair bit.  But he's got elite skills and an elite ability to see the court on both ends.  He can be a star with only average athleticism.
You'd think Boston fans would know a thing or two about stars with average athleticism ;)

I don't know why he's overlooked to the degree that he is by some on this board.
We aren't saying he won't be good, we think he'll be a star but what we want is a guy who'll be a 1st tier guy like AD and Bagley, Porter and Ayton all have a better shot at being that. I think KGLL was just annoyed by some who proclaim Doncic as the next big thing, I mean he has excellent talent but not (yet, if he tears it up in Real I'll be screaming Luka and Bagley instead of Bagley and Ayton) transcendent talent.




 TP. At least somebody gets me LoL.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on July 31, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 31, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on August 03, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
Luka is the real deal.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on August 06, 2017, 02:04:49 AM
New article from Yahoo: https://sports.yahoo.com/behold-mystery-luka-doncic-nbas-potential-no-1-pick-2018-204825921.html
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on August 06, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..
True but I think nobody will ever replicate Bird's insane killer instinct again, guy would call out shots in the clutch, eg. Left hand 3 point banker and make it
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: The One on August 07, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
https://youtu.be/zYgBAEhkudo


Luka Dončić - Slovenia - Czech Republic | 20pts 8reb


The kid is legit as stuff!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on August 07, 2017, 02:05:58 PM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..




 Wait a minute. Did you just say Luke Skywalker was better than Bird at any age? Blasphemy!

 Luka is a bum compared to Larry. Please no more Larry Bird comparisons it's asinine.
 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on August 08, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..




 Wait a minute. Did you just say Luke Skywalker was better than Bird at any age? Blasphemy!

 Luka is a bum compared to Larry. Please no more Larry Bird comparisons it's asinine.

What was Bird doing at 18?

No one is saying he'll be a better player long term.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 08, 2017, 07:09:42 PM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..




 Wait a minute. Did you just say Luke Skywalker was better than Bird at any age? Blasphemy!

 Luka is a bum compared to Larry. Please no more Larry Bird comparisons it's asinine.

What was Bird doing at 18?

No one is saying he'll be a better player long term.

To be fair, shooting 97% from his driveway in French Lick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JHTruth on August 08, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..




 Wait a minute. Did you just say Luke Skywalker was better than Bird at any age? Blasphemy!

 Luka is a bum compared to Larry. Please no more Larry Bird comparisons it's asinine.

What was Bird doing at 18?

No one is saying he'll be a better player long term.

To be fair, shooting 97% from his driveway in French Lick.

Seems the whippersnappers need a history lesson on ol' Larry Legend. Before he became Larry Freakin' Bird, Basketball Jesus, he went to IU, where he didn't stick to say the least. Bobby Knight chased him off after a few weeks and he spent the next year sulking around French Lick driving a garbage truck and drinking beer. He wasn't even on the national radar until really his senior year at ISU..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on August 30, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
I have seen a ton of guys compared to Bird but none of them really lined up well with what Larry could do on the court.   Dirk was close in some ways but even he could not pass like Larry nor was he as good as rebounder or making his team mates better.  Most of the time when people compare games to Bird, I just laugh because most of these guys could not hold his jockstrap.


Luka definitely has some skills but Larry's true strengths were between his ears and his intangibles.   That is what separated him and made him special.

That was true of Larry at 23, but at 18 he was washing out of IU.

Yeah and driving a garbage truck. LOL. Doncic no doubt is far better a player than Larry Legend was at the same age..




 Wait a minute. Did you just say Luke Skywalker was better than Bird at any age? Blasphemy!

 Luka is a bum compared to Larry. Please no more Larry Bird comparisons it's asinine.

What was Bird doing at 18?

No one is saying he'll be a better player long term.

To be fair, shooting 97% from his driveway in French Lick.

Seems the whippersnappers need a history lesson on ol' Larry Legend. Before he became Larry Freakin' Bird, Basketball Jesus, he went to IU, where he didn't stick to say the least. Bobby Knight chased him off after a few weeks and he spent the next year sulking around French Lick driving a garbage truck and drinking beer. He wasn't even on the national radar until really his senior year at ISU..
Another footnote, at age 18 Bird was mourning over his father's suicide.  He became a father and was married and divorced over the course of 8 months.  He was exceedingly introverted and hated "big" cities and schools.  He bailed from IU after a month.  It had nothing to do with basketball and Knight didn't "chase him off" so much as he ran away.  Knight said he had "plenty of good players who wanted to be there" and he couldn't imagine Bird becoming the player he did.  Bird would routinely go unpicked at IU pick-up games and spent most of the time watching.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 31, 2017, 09:07:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-2HdP7_Qc#t=1m14s
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on August 31, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-2HdP7_Qc#t=1m14s
Man I love his game
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 04, 2017, 09:27:53 AM
p detailed vid of Doncic vs Greece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUqu4BHLE70
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on September 05, 2017, 07:05:49 PM
We would be very lucky to get this guy. Sure he's not the fastest kid in the world, but he has a very good playmaking ability and his handle is nice.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on September 10, 2017, 07:52:58 PM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 10, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Maybe rn (although I disagree) but he's still 18, could take a leap this year. He's a very nice player with a handy skillset in the modern nba imo, should be a star at least barring unexpected events.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on September 10, 2017, 08:06:53 PM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Maybe rn (although I disagree) but he's still 18, could take a leap this year. He's a very nice player with a handy skillset in the modern nba imo, should be a star at least barring unexpected events.
Slower than Gordon Hayward, e.g.  Below average lift for an NBA player.  Doesn't finish thru contact.  Pretty good finesse finisher tho.  He has a nice floater and a herky-jerky old man game.  Stars are not borne of this.  He can be a nice rotation player, but he's not breaking guys down off the dribble in the league.  A really nice 3rd or 4th option.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: MichaelJ on September 10, 2017, 08:47:49 PM
Doncic would've been great as a second pick if we kept BKN.  Now, hope for Porter/one of the bigs or deal the pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 10, 2017, 10:55:59 PM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Maybe rn (although I disagree) but he's still 18, could take a leap this year. He's a very nice player with a handy skillset in the modern nba imo, should be a star at least barring unexpected events.
Slower than Gordon Hayward, e.g.  Below average lift for an NBA player.  Doesn't finish thru contact.  Pretty good finesse finisher tho.  He has a nice floater and a herky-jerky old man game.  Stars are not borne of this.  He can be a nice rotation player, but he's not breaking guys down off the dribble in the league.  A really nice 3rd or 4th option.
A really nice 3rd option (like Ray in Boston) would be a star imo, not bad for a top 5 pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on September 11, 2017, 12:21:22 AM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Maybe rn (although I disagree) but he's still 18, could take a leap this year. He's a very nice player with a handy skillset in the modern nba imo, should be a star at least barring unexpected events.
Slower than Gordon Hayward, e.g.  Below average lift for an NBA player.  Doesn't finish thru contact.  Pretty good finesse finisher tho.  He has a nice floater and a herky-jerky old man game.  Stars are not borne of this.  He can be a nice rotation player, but he's not breaking guys down off the dribble in the league.  A really nice 3rd or 4th option.
A really nice 3rd option (like Ray in Boston) would be a star imo, not bad for a top 5 pick.
Ray Allen, in his prime, is a #1 option.  One of the purest shooters the league has ever seen, an incredible ball handler who could create his own shot.  He scored 51 points in a playoff game.  Doncic is not this.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on September 11, 2017, 02:37:35 AM
Neither was Ray at 18 ... But it's true that his athletic abilities are average ..and that is generous ...
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on September 11, 2017, 02:41:04 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 11, 2017, 03:38:50 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 11, 2017, 03:40:03 AM
Solid role player with a nice 3 pt stroke and good court vision.  Use caution evaluating a guy like this.  He's not a gamechanger and he's not a #1 overall caliber player.
Maybe rn (although I disagree) but he's still 18, could take a leap this year. He's a very nice player with a handy skillset in the modern nba imo, should be a star at least barring unexpected events.
Slower than Gordon Hayward, e.g.  Below average lift for an NBA player.  Doesn't finish thru contact.  Pretty good finesse finisher tho.  He has a nice floater and a herky-jerky old man game.  Stars are not borne of this.  He can be a nice rotation player, but he's not breaking guys down off the dribble in the league.  A really nice 3rd or 4th option.
A really nice 3rd option (like Ray in Boston) would be a star imo, not bad for a top 5 pick.
Ray Allen, in his prime, is a #1 option.  One of the purest shooters the league has ever seen, an incredible ball handler who could create his own shot.  He scored 51 points in a playoff game.  Doncic is not this.
I said Ray in Boston, who was past his prime and was a 3rd option.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on September 11, 2017, 06:18:24 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
He just isn't quick and strong enough to dominate in NBA
How is he going to defend at a high level? above average team defender will be his ceiling
How is he going to be a star scorer in NBA? 20ppg will be his best
I see him as KO type of guy, very useful high floor starter, in prime maybe can make 1 or 2 time allstar but no higher, means low ceiling for top picks
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on September 11, 2017, 06:27:30 AM
since when 20ppg is not good enough ?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on September 11, 2017, 06:50:14 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
He just isn't quick and strong enough to dominate in NBA
How is he going to defend at a high level? above average team defender will be his ceiling
How is he going to be a star scorer in NBA? 20ppg will be his best
I see him as KO type of guy, very useful high floor starter, in prime maybe can make 1 or 2 time allstar but no higher, means low ceiling for top picks
I think that it is very hard for people that haven't seen enough of his play (not just 4 sec long fancy clips, or a qtr here and there), to understand the value of players feel for the game, his vision and his intangibles, to validate them. This works for everyone, not just Luka.  A much more evident thing, to see if someone is jumping through the roof or not, or how high is his FT%. Hey, when people saw Kukoč 25 years ago, I presume that 95% of Americans (he was a stranger to them ATM) would feel similar (he can't jump or run like hell, skinny, Pippen held him in check).
Then after 3 titles, everyone is like: "Oh, yeah, Toni, I knew clearly he would be great.", "How can you not think...blah, blah"

Look, if Luka comes here, via the draft, I will pop a chilled champagne (as I did when we won this lottery) and (after a few drinks) I would say he will win at least 4 titles in Boston. Then he can be an average starter (or even a 6th man) for as long as he wants.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 11, 2017, 07:44:04 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
He just isn't quick and strong enough to dominate in NBA
How is he going to defend at a high level? above average team defender will be his ceiling
How is he going to be a star scorer in NBA? 20ppg will be his best
I see him as KO type of guy, very useful high floor starter, in prime maybe can make 1 or 2 time allstar but no higher, means low ceiling for top picks
I think that it is very hard for people that haven't seen enough of his play (not just 4 sec long fancy clips, or a qtr here and there), to understand the value of players feel for the game, his vision and his intangibles, to validate them. This works for everyone, not just Luka.  A much more evident thing, to see if someone is jumping through the roof or not, or how high is his FT%. Hey, when people saw Kukoč 25 years ago, I presume that 95% of Americans (he was a stranger to them ATM) would feel similar (he can't jump or run like hell, skinny, Pippen held him in check).
Then after 3 titles, everyone is like: "Oh, yeah, Toni, I knew clearly he would be great.", "How can you not think...blah, blah"

Look, if Luka comes here, via the draft, I will pop a chilled champagne (as I did when we won this lottery) and (after a few drinks) I would say he will win at least 4 titles in Boston. Then he can be an average starter (or even a 6th man) for as long as he wants.
Well I see him as a high floor fairly high ceiling type of guy, actually see flashes of Hondo assuming his body develops and he improves his speed. A poor man's Hondo (his ceiling imo) would be a terrific top 3 pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 11, 2017, 08:20:54 AM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
He just isn't quick and strong enough to dominate in NBA
How is he going to defend at a high level? above average team defender will be his ceiling
How is he going to be a star scorer in NBA? 20ppg will be his best
I see him as KO type of guy, very useful high floor starter, in prime maybe can make 1 or 2 time allstar but no higher, means low ceiling for top picks
I think his quickness is undersold because he's a Euro, and that's a criticism of almost all Euro guys.
He will definitely hold his own, as his length enables him to cover 2's and 3's easily.
Not all star players are star scorers. But I still think he has the potential to be a well above average scorer (22ppg or so) with rebounds and assists between 5-8 for each. His feel for the game and his ability to score from anywhere is very impressive.

Guess we just see different things in him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on September 11, 2017, 12:04:11 PM
He's never averaged 10 ppg in Europe and there are ~15-20 guys in the world who score 22ppg in the NBA.  He's not gonna be one of them.  I could see him being the modernized version of Kukoc.  Much more of an isolation player than Kukoc was, and that's the part that I don't think will translate for him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on September 11, 2017, 12:11:50 PM
He never
He's never averaged 10 ppg in Europe

You make it sound like he s been playing there the last 100 years !! This was his second season in euroleague.(quick reminder he is 18 years old)

Also Euroleague does not work as the NBA
Top teams rarely have a 20ppg scorer. Top scorer for Real was Llull with 16ppg....

Saric in his last season in Europe scored 12ppg in Euroleague (22y.o.)

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: coffee425 on September 11, 2017, 12:16:04 PM
typical "he's not athletic enough" arguments. you guys must love the careers of Thomas Robinson, Gerald Green, and future Hall of Famer Ben McClemore.

please don't overlook how difficult it is to have his high level of skill and feel for his age. and yes, this gets even better with age.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on September 11, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
He's never averaged 10 ppg in Europe

He's 18, plays in a loaded team and European teams score like 70 ppg, not 105 like in the NBA.

Very ignorant assumption.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on September 11, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
No more than a solid starter to me
Why?
He just isn't quick and strong enough to dominate in NBA
How is he going to defend at a high level? above average team defender will be his ceiling
How is he going to be a star scorer in NBA? 20ppg will be his best
I see him as KO type of guy, very useful high floor starter, in prime maybe can make 1 or 2 time allstar but no higher, means low ceiling for top picks
I think his quickness is undersold because he's a Euro, and that's a criticism of almost all Euro guys.
He will definitely hold his own, as his length enables him to cover 2's and 3's easily.
Not all star players are star scorers. But I still think he has the potential to be a well above average scorer (22ppg or so) with rebounds and assists between 5-8 for each. His feel for the game and his ability to score from anywhere is very impressive.

Guess we just see different things in him.
I watched his video and just didn't see that quickness in him, i will like to be proved wrong though
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on September 11, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
He's never averaged 10 ppg in Europe

He's 18, plays in a loaded team and European teams score like 70 ppg, not 105 like in the NBA.

Very ignorant assumption.
I get that.  I meant that people are understating how hard it is to score 22ppg in the NBA.  It's not NBA2K.  Kevin Durant scored 25 last year.  Scoring 22 practically puts you on an All-NBA team if you look at the list of scoring leaders.  Imagine Doncic playing across from Kawhi, Giannis, Lebron, Paul George, Durant... even the 2nd and 3rd tier forwards in the league will be a handful for Doncic.  He doesn't project as a #1 scoring option IMO.

I had a laugh last year when people told me that Dragan Bender plays on a loaded team, doesn't get minutes like he will in the NBA, can guard 5 positions, etc.  It was obvious that he's not an NBA caliber athlete.  Doncic is much better, but he's not going to light the league on fire. He's eerily similar to a young Mike Miller, right down to the shooting form.  Doncic sees the court better, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEGPtTOjL0
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 12, 2017, 04:34:39 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on September 12, 2017, 04:47:18 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.

What time?

I'm trying to fall less in love with Doncic since we traded the Brooklyn pick, but that sounds like a great game to watch.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Bucketgetter on September 12, 2017, 04:56:30 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.

What time?

I'm trying to fall less in love with Doncic since we traded the Brooklyn pick, but that sounds like a great game to watch.
If we land the Lakers pick I’d bet Doncic would still be there. So it depends on how confident you are about getting that pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 12, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
Quote
I had a laugh last year when people told me that Dragan Bender plays on a loaded team, doesn't get minutes like he will in the NBA, can guard 5 positions, etc.  It was obvious that he's not an NBA caliber athlete

That was sad, I recall all the hype too.   Europe has improved much but a lot of the their guys best asset is they are unknown.   That is what got Bender drafted higher than he should have been unknown and some potential.  I don't trust a guy until I see him play against NBA competition.

I think Ainge trades that pick to meet a need so I would not get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on September 12, 2017, 05:18:34 PM
You cannot compare Bender's and Doncic's situations.
Both the same age, but Bender barely played for a good European team while Doncic is the star in one of the best Euroteams. Most of Real Madrid's game starts on him, he is much better than what numbers say.

Nothing to do.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 12, 2017, 05:27:28 PM
You cannot compare Bender's and Doncic's situations.
Both the same age, but Bender barely played for a good European team while Doncic is the star in one of the best Euroteams. Most of Real Madrid's game starts on him, he is much better than what numbers say.

Nothing to do.
Yeah, that gets lost on people. He's playing one arguably the best non-NBA team in the world, and playing a crucial role at that.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 12, 2017, 05:52:19 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.

What time?

I'm trying to fall less in love with Doncic since we traded the Brooklyn pick, but that sounds like a great game to watch.

21.30 (GMT +3). And it's Sept 17 not 14- I'll correct my original post too.

14 is the correct one... I should always double check info I see online  ::)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on September 13, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Another Luka fix.

Doncic scored 8 pts in the last 6 minutes in a tight game. Totals: 29 pts/9 rebs/2 assists/1 turnover.

This was against real basketball talent. Bertans, Goran Dragic, Porzingis, A. Randolph all on the floor for the game. This is better competition than anything in the NCAA or Summer League '17.

And please keep in mind that Luka still has another year to grow and develop.

http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/1209/Slovenia-Latvia#|tab=boxscore_statistics
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on September 13, 2017, 06:05:04 PM
This was against real basketball talent. Bertans, Goran Dragic, Porzingis, A. Randolph all on the floor for the game. This is better competition than anything in the NCAA or Summer League '17.

That's another thing people tend to forget.

Doncic will come to the NBA having played against FC Barcelona, Fenerbahce, Olympiakos, CSKA Moscow, Panathinaikos, Valencia, Milan, etc etc.

This is the best non-NBA competition and cannot be compared to NCAA or the Chinese League, to name a couple.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on September 14, 2017, 02:45:48 AM
You cannot compare Bender's and Doncic's situations.
Both the same age, but Bender barely played for a good European team while Doncic is the star in one of the best Euroteams. Most of Real Madrid's game starts on him, he is much better than what numbers say.

Nothing to do.

If you go back and read some posts you ll be surprised ......
For example
Bender didn't get play time cause macabi had very good players and also the Israeli league is one of the best in the world ..... Someone even found a ranking where friendly tournaments ranked higher than eutoleague to prove it ..omg!

This season will be huge for Doncic. Llull will miss big part of the season so he will have to lead Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on September 14, 2017, 03:02:50 AM
Another Luka fix.

Doncic scored 8 pts in the last 6 minutes in a tight game. Totals: 29 pts/9 rebs/2 assists/1 turnover.

This was against real basketball talent. Bertans, Goran Dragic, Porzingis, A. Randolph all on the floor for the game. This is better competition than anything in the NCAA or Summer League '17.

And please keep in mind that Luka still has another year to grow and develop.

http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/1209/Slovenia-Latvia#|tab=boxscore_statistics

People keep forgetting all the time that Eurobasket and Euroleague competitions are 5 times harder than the NCAA.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on September 14, 2017, 03:21:42 PM
Doncic with 8 points, 5 ribaunds, 5 assists in the first half. Slovenia leads against Spain.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: vgulab on September 14, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
Slovenia in the final, lead by a 18 years old Doncic, beating the great team of Spain 92-72. Doncic end up with 11 points 12 rebs 8 ast. I'm officially impressed
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on September 14, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
Slovenia in the final, lead by a 18 years old Doncic, beating the great team of Spain 92-72. Doncic end up with 11 points 12 rebs 8 ast. I'm officially impressed

And 0 turnovers. He is officially a beast and not draft eligible yet.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on September 14, 2017, 04:26:44 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.

What time?

I'm trying to fall less in love with Doncic since we traded the Brooklyn pick, but that sounds like a great game to watch.

21.30 (GMT +3). And it's Sept 17 not 14- I'll correct my original post too.

14 is the correct one... I should always double check info I see online  ::)

Got stuck in a work meeting for the entire game.  Hopefully I'll find a replay.  Sounds like he was terrific!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: vgulab on September 14, 2017, 04:33:29 PM
For Doncic watchers: Slovenia will play Spain on Sept 14 for a place in the Finals.

What time?

I'm trying to fall less in love with Doncic since we traded the Brooklyn pick, but that sounds like a great game to watch.

21.30 (GMT +3). And it's Sept 17 not 14- I'll correct my original post too.

14 is the correct one... I should always double check info I see online  ::)

Got stuck in a work meeting for the entire game.  Hopefully I'll find a replay.  Sounds like he was terrific!

17th september, the final, 14.30pm your time, if i'm not mistaken. Don't miss that game :)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on September 14, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Slovenia in the final, lead by a 18 years old Doncic, beating the great team of Spain 92-72. Doncic end up with 11 points 12 rebs 8 ast. I'm officially impressed

And 0 turnovers. He is officially a beast and not draft eligible yet.

At least from the stats it looks like he was the best player in a game with both Gasols, Dragic, and Rubio.  I've been saying  that he would be in the rotation on any NBA team today, and a starter on most of them (including potentially the Celtics).  I think today's game supports that argument.

I don't see him going later than the second pick, personally.  He's still the top player on my board, even with Bagley.  He's a basketball savant.  Best draft prospect since Davis.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on September 15, 2017, 06:07:18 AM
Dragić, Luka's roommate at the competition - "Luka is so young but cautious and calm. He is incredibly mature on the parquet, and in the room, he still watches cartoons and series like "Friends"".

Our journalists said that Dragić took him under his wing.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 15, 2017, 06:10:54 AM
Slovenia in the final, lead by a 18 years old Doncic, beating the great team of Spain 92-72. Doncic end up with 11 points 12 rebs 8 ast. I'm officially impressed

And 0 turnovers. He is officially a beast and not draft eligible yet.

At least from the stats it looks like he was the best player in a game with both Gasols, Dragic, and Rubio.  I've been saying  that he would be in the rotation on any NBA team today, and a starter on most of them (including potentially the Celtics).  I think today's game supports that argument.

I don't see him going later than the second pick, personally.  He's still the top player on my board, even with Bagley.  He's a basketball savant.  Best draft prospect since Davis.
Very impressed by him, see a little Hondo if he improves on his speed but I can see him falling to 3 if Bagley and Porter go insane in college. Either way we can possibly have 3 prospects that can be near locks for superstars and 2 more that have the potential, really hope that Brooklyn does well and the Lakers pick yields us a top 5 pick that's not 1 ;D.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JBcat on September 15, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
Dragić, Luka's roommate at the competition - "Luka is so young but cautious and calm. He is incredibly mature on the parquet, and in the room, he still watches cartoons and series like "Friends"".

Our journalists said that Dragić took him under his wing.

Mature and cartoons in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron. Haha
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on September 15, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
Dragić, Luka's roommate at the competition - "Luka is so young but cautious and calm. He is incredibly mature on the parquet, and in the room, he still watches cartoons and series like "Friends"".

Our journalists said that Dragić took him under his wing.

Mature and cartoons in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron. Haha
...on the parquet... - is the key. 😀
Since he is 18, I guess probably those lascive mangas.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 15, 2017, 10:32:54 AM
Dragić, Luka's roommate at the competition - "Luka is so young but cautious and calm. He is incredibly mature on the parquet, and in the room, he still watches cartoons and series like "Friends"".

Our journalists said that Dragić took him under his wing.

Mature and cartoons in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron. Haha
...on the parquet... - is the key. 😀
Since he is 18, I guess probably those lascive mangas.
Hope it's anime 8), we need some weebs in the NBA 😂
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: moiso on September 15, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
Friends is the worst popular tv show of all time.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on September 17, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
Doncic and Dragic vs Bogdanovic and Marjanovic tonight. Bogdanovic has recently won highest club title and will come to Kings as the conqueror of Europe if he wins European championship too. Doncic, on the other hand, has still one more year in Europe but this is great chance for him to win a title for Slovenia.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on September 17, 2017, 01:27:36 PM
Friends is the worst popular tv show of all time.
you obviously are not old enough to remember "my mother the car."  ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Mother_the_Car
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: liam on September 17, 2017, 10:44:35 PM
The Kid is amazing:

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/17/watch-luka-doncic-go-coast-to-coast-with-sweet-slam-for-slovenia/
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on October 13, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
Doncic sets career high in scoring: https://youtu.be/kD6kOB8iCwk
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on October 26, 2017, 04:32:20 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 26, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)
Wow that efficiency.

Doncic has been my guy since day 1. Not sure how well he fits in Boston, but he's too good
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on October 26, 2017, 04:39:12 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on October 26, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)
Wow that efficiency.

Doncic has been my guy since day 1. Not sure how well he fits in Boston, but he's too good

I was going to say he could play the 2, sliding Jaylen to the 3, with a starting lineup of Kyrie, Doncic, Brown, Tatum, Horford, but then remembered Hayward.  In other words, the thought of Doncic all year might help ease the pain of Hayward’s injury (my pain that is, not his).  Since Hayward does exist, I think Doncic could come off the bench initially, and be a capable 6th man from day one, spelling virtually everyone but Horford.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: keevsnick on October 26, 2017, 06:27:54 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on October 26, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.

I mean, there’s also the sample that was all of last season, as well as Eurobasket this summer.  While all the others were playing on a AAU teams, Doncic was a top player on arguably the best team outside of the NBA.

But I will bet that none of the other four put up numbers over four games that match this four-game stretch in college this year, much less a professional league.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: JBcat on October 26, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)
Wow that efficiency.

Doncic has been my guy since day 1. Not sure how well he fits in Boston, but he's too good

I was going to say he could play the 2, sliding Jaylen to the 3, with a starting lineup of Kyrie, Doncic, Brown, Tatum, Horford, but then remembered Hayward.  In other words, the thought of Doncic all year might help ease the pain of Hayward’s injury (my pain that is, not his).  Since Hayward does exist, I think Doncic could come off the bench initially, and be a capable 6th man from day one, spelling virtually everyone but Horford.

I would love to get the second pick and for this to happen. ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on October 26, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)
Wow that efficiency.

Doncic has been my guy since day 1. Not sure how well he fits in Boston, but he's too good

I was going to say he could play the 2, sliding Jaylen to the 3, with a starting lineup of Kyrie, Doncic, Brown, Tatum, Horford, but then remembered Hayward.  In other words, the thought of Doncic all year might help ease the pain of Hayward’s injury (my pain that is, not his).  Since Hayward does exist, I think Doncic could come off the bench initially, and be a capable 6th man from day one, spelling virtually everyone but Horford.

I would love to get the second pick and for this to happen. ;D

After the stupid Lakers game (I bailed after the 4th quarter, I had a feeling about the outcome) I am just going to count out getting a top 5 pick.  Even if they finish with a bottom 3 record, I am trying to not get excited until the draft order is official. 

The fact that any one of those picks should yield at least one of those top 5 guys, but the quality there should be at #2 or even #3 where the guy maybe would've gone #1 half the years of the past decade or two. 

Doncic is definitely one of those guys, along with Bagley, and Porter, for now. The big guys to me are more long-term projects (Ayton with skills, Bamba with body/strength, with Robert Williams as the X-factor).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on November 07, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Doncic has a ceiling imposed by his athleticism.  He's an average to slightly above average athlete.  Average wingspan, good motor.  He's also a very savvy, high IQ player who's surely at least a solid rotation player in the NBA.  He's noticeably slower than someone like Hayward or Pierce at the same age, but he has that Ginobli gene where he plays 1 step ahead of others mentally.

I still put his ceiling at Gordon Hayward.  We can all agree he's not Lebron.  He's not Kawhi Leonard.  On the right team, he can be a high-grade rotation player.  Maybe a 3rd option on a contender. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 07, 2017, 10:01:40 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Doncic has a ceiling imposed by his athleticism.  He's an average to slightly above average athlete.  Average wingspan, good motor.  He's also a very savvy, high IQ player who's surely at least a solid rotation player in the NBA.  He's noticeably slower than someone like Hayward or Pierce at the same age, but he has that Ginobli gene where he plays 1 step ahead of others mentally.

I still put his ceiling at Gordon Hayward.  We can all agree he's not Lebron.  He's not Kawhi Leonard.  On the right team, he can be a high-grade rotation player.  Maybe a 3rd option on a contender.

I'm sorry, but do you happen to have a lot of Paul Pierce freshman year game footage you're pulling up to say that Doncic at 18 is noticeably slower than Pierce at 18?  Freshman year Hayward?   ::)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on November 07, 2017, 10:04:37 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Doncic has a ceiling imposed by his athleticism.  He's an average to slightly above average athlete.  Average wingspan, good motor.  He's also a very savvy, high IQ player who's surely at least a solid rotation player in the NBA.  He's noticeably slower than someone like Hayward or Pierce at the same age, but he has that Ginobli gene where he plays 1 step ahead of others mentally.

I still put his ceiling at Gordon Hayward.  We can all agree he's not Lebron.  He's not Kawhi Leonard.  On the right team, he can be a high-grade rotation player.  Maybe a 3rd option on a contender.

I'm sorry, but do you happen to have a lot of Paul Pierce freshman year game footage you're pulling up to say that Doncic at 18 is noticeably slower than Pierce at 18?  Freshman year Hayward?   ::)
I literally watched both of those guys through their entire college and pro careers.  Nearly every game for Pierce.  No less than half of all the games Hayward ever played.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 07, 2017, 10:22:14 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Doncic has a ceiling imposed by his athleticism.  He's an average to slightly above average athlete.  Average wingspan, good motor.  He's also a very savvy, high IQ player who's surely at least a solid rotation player in the NBA.  He's noticeably slower than someone like Hayward or Pierce at the same age, but he has that Ginobli gene where he plays 1 step ahead of others mentally.

I still put his ceiling at Gordon Hayward.  We can all agree he's not Lebron.  He's not Kawhi Leonard.  On the right team, he can be a high-grade rotation player.  Maybe a 3rd option on a contender.

I'm sorry, but do you happen to have a lot of Paul Pierce freshman year game footage you're pulling up to say that Doncic at 18 is noticeably slower than Pierce at 18?  Freshman year Hayward?   ::)
I literally watched both of those guys through their entire college and pro careers.  Nearly every game for Pierce.  No less than half of all the games Hayward ever played.

You must have an amazing memory then.  I watched a lot of Pierce in college too, but 20 years later I couldn't tell you if he was noticeably quicker or slower than anyone I watch today, and I certainly couldn't separate Paul Pierce as a freshman from Paul Pierce as a junior in my memory.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Sophomore on November 07, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
Thing about Doncic is even if we luck out and have a shot at him, where do we play him? If all goes as we hope and Hayward is back 100%, you have GH, J Brown, J Taytum, M Morris, Semi Ojeleye at the wing. Do you honestly draft Doncic to take minutes from that crew or back up Kyrie instead of taking one of the very talented players available at the 4 or 5?

I think you’d need to be convinced LD’s  ceiling was much higher than the bigs. Someone like Ayton has a grown man body now - 7-foot and 260, lean and strong. There’s a picture of him next to D Howard at age 17 - he’s got the same body type(!) very fluid, and  he can shoot. Barring an issue with his motor or B.B. IQ, someone like that slots into Baynes’ spot at 20 minutes/game right away and provides a major upgrade in talent.

All a pipe dream of course, barring lottery luck.... but hard not to indulge a little.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on November 08, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Thing about Doncic is even if we luck out and have a shot at him, where do we play him? If all goes as we hope and Hayward is back 100%, you have GH, J Brown, J Taytum, M Morris, Semi Ojeleye at the wing. Do you honestly draft Doncic to take minutes from that crew or back up Kyrie instead of taking one of the very talented players available at the 4 or 5?

I think you’d need to be convinced LD’s  ceiling was much higher than the bigs. Someone like Ayton has a grown man body now - 7-foot and 260, lean and strong. There’s a picture of him next to D Howard at age 17 - he’s got the same body type(!) very fluid, and  he can shoot. Barring an issue with his motor or B.B. IQ, someone like that slots into Baynes’ spot at 20 minutes/game right away and provides a major upgrade in talent.

All a pipe dream of course, barring lottery luck.... but hard not to indulge a little.

If we got Doncic, I'm sure they would work out a solution to give him minutes - that is not an issue at all IMO. But again as you say, it is unlikely he comes our way.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on November 09, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
"UNREAL Luka Doncic 🇸🇮 in first 4 @EuroLeague games!
24.0 PPG
65.4% 2PT
43.5% 3PT
88.9% FT
6.8 RPG
3.8 APG
1.3 SPG
6.8 FRV
32.3 EFF
27.1 MPG" (Sportando)

Yeah — I don’t see how anyone thinks he isn’t the top prospect available.

Based off the fact that it's a four game sample and we haven't even gotten a chance to see Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba yet i'd say i'm far from sold. But ya, he's impressive. Gonna be a battle for #1.
Doncic has a ceiling imposed by his athleticism.  He's an average to slightly above average athlete.  Average wingspan, good motor.  He's also a very savvy, high IQ player who's surely at least a solid rotation player in the NBA.  He's noticeably slower than someone like Hayward or Pierce at the same age, but he has that Ginobli gene where he plays 1 step ahead of others mentally.

I still put his ceiling at Gordon Hayward.  We can all agree he's not Lebron.  He's not Kawhi Leonard.  On the right team, he can be a high-grade rotation player.  Maybe a 3rd option on a contender.

I'm sorry, but do you happen to have a lot of Paul Pierce freshman year game footage you're pulling up to say that Doncic at 18 is noticeably slower than Pierce at 18?  Freshman year Hayward?   ::)
I literally watched both of those guys through their entire college and pro careers.  Nearly every game for Pierce.  No less than half of all the games Hayward ever played.

You must have an amazing memory then.  I watched a lot of Pierce in college too, but 20 years later I couldn't tell you if he was noticeably quicker or slower than anyone I watch today, and I certainly couldn't separate Paul Pierce as a freshman from Paul Pierce as a junior in my memory.
What does Freshman or Junior have to do with anything?  It's not like you suddenly become quick during your 3rd year of college.  If anything, you tend to add bulk, possibly even slow down a bit. Maybe gain a little burst with a serious weight regimen if you came in underdeveloped.

I have a fine memory, but everything is on Youtube too.  Doesn't take a PHD to see that Doncic isn't an elite athlete.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on November 17, 2017, 05:25:35 AM
Doncic Euroleague stats after 8 games

(https://i.gyazo.com/70cf8d443dab692d6e51605bd3773f56.png)

(rank is per game)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7djjui/luka_doncic_after_first_8_euroleague_games/
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on November 17, 2017, 05:46:37 AM
Doncic Euroleague stats after 8 games

(https://i.gyazo.com/70cf8d443dab692d6e51605bd3773f56.png)

(rank is per game)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7djjui/luka_doncic_after_first_8_euroleague_games/

I don't know how to evaluate European players, but that is amazing for an 18 year old.  TP for the info.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: detour on November 17, 2017, 06:04:06 PM
Doncic Euroleague stats after 8 games

(https://i.gyazo.com/70cf8d443dab692d6e51605bd3773f56.png)

(rank is per game)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7djjui/luka_doncic_after_first_8_euroleague_games/

I don't know how to evaluate European players, but that is amazing for an 18 year old.  TP for the info.

Just for the context, Real Madrid recently lost their two best big men to long term injuries, Anthony Randolph and Gustavo Ayon. They had already lost Llull, their best ball handler. This is like Boston losing Kyrie, Hayward and Horford; yet Tatum torching opponents. So while Doncic might have even higher usage rate than he would normally have, he handled it very well.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 17, 2017, 06:45:33 PM
Pass on Doncic

Praying for bagley jr or bamba

Im weary of Ayton work ethic
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 17, 2017, 06:53:48 PM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 17, 2017, 06:58:36 PM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 17, 2017, 07:02:40 PM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
He's not too slow. And in Brad's system with Doncic being a 50/40/90 quality shooter straight from the start, yeah, as a rookie he could do 15ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg and be a real candidate for 6th man right away.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on November 17, 2017, 11:08:39 PM
Pass on Doncic

Praying for bagley jr or bamba

Im weary of Ayton work ethic
Astute analysis.  You make a compelling point.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on November 22, 2017, 08:56:40 AM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
He's not too slow. And in Brad's system with Doncic being a 50/40/90 quality shooter straight from the start, yeah, as a rookie he could do 15ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg and be a real candidate for 6th man right away.
He's averaging a little better than that right now. What makes you think he can put up those kind of numbers on a loaded, championship contending team? I know he may likely replace Marcus Smart's minutes (if we get lucky with the LAL pick) but he would still have to beat out Rozier for minutes.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 22, 2017, 09:07:44 AM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
He's not too slow. And in Brad's system with Doncic being a 50/40/90 quality shooter straight from the start, yeah, as a rookie he could do 15ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg and be a real candidate for 6th man right away.
He's averaging a little better than that right now. What makes you think he can put up those kind of numbers on a loaded, championship contending team? I know he may likely replace Marcus Smart's minutes (if we get lucky with the LAL pick) but he would still have to beat out Rozier for minutes.

He would beat out Rozier for minutes, and it wouldn’t be close.  He’s at 20/6.5/4 in 26 minutes a game.  He’s also 18.  Yes, the NBA is more difficult than Europe, but if Tatum can come in and put up 14/6 making a much further jump from college to the NBA, after having gone for 17/7 in college, there’s no reason Doncic can’t do the same.  We saw how he played for Slovenia vs. Spain, when he was the best player on the court with both Gasols, Rubio, and Dragic.  (Not saying that he’s better than all of them, just that he was that game).  If there were no age limit, he’d be in the NBA today, getting a lot of minutes on any team in the league.

He’s the most NBA-ready prospect in at least a decade.  I can’t wait to see how he does next year, and I hope he’s wearing green.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on November 22, 2017, 09:31:47 AM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
He's not too slow. And in Brad's system with Doncic being a 50/40/90 quality shooter straight from the start, yeah, as a rookie he could do 15ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg and be a real candidate for 6th man right away.
He's averaging a little better than that right now. What makes you think he can put up those kind of numbers on a loaded, championship contending team? I know he may likely replace Marcus Smart's minutes (if we get lucky with the LAL pick) but he would still have to beat out Rozier for minutes.

He would beat out Rozier for minutes, and it wouldn’t be close.  He’s at 20/6.5/4 in 26 minutes a game.  He’s also 18.  Yes, the NBA is more difficult than Europe, but if Tatum can come in and put up 14/6 making a much further jump from college to the NBA, after having gone for 17/7 in college, there’s no reason Doncic can’t do the same.  We saw how he played for Slovenia vs. Spain, when he was the best player on the court with both Gasols, Rubio, and Dragic.  (Not saying that he’s better than all of them, just that he was that game).  If there were no age limit, he’d be in the NBA today, getting a lot of minutes on any team in the league.

He’s the most NBA-ready prospect in at least a decade.  I can’t wait to see how he does next year, and I hope he’s wearing green.
I just don't see him being able to guard smaller, quicker players, like Rozier and Smart can/do.
Doncic will be 19, not to nitpick, in 3 months. I also think this roster is too deep for Doncic to make as a significant contribution on as some think he may. I would go in another direction (Bagley, Ayton, Bamba), depending on whether the pick conveys and if it does, it's slot number.
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Doncic fan for 2 years running.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mmmmm on November 24, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
I love Doncic. Think he has the most all around talent of anyone that will be drafted next year. People want a shooter and scorer coming off the bench...Doncic could be 6th Man of the Year in his first year. He has that type of talent that is ready right now.

too slow

6th man of the year in his first year? ?  ;D
He's not too slow. And in Brad's system with Doncic being a 50/40/90 quality shooter straight from the start, yeah, as a rookie he could do 15ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg and be a real candidate for 6th man right away.
He's averaging a little better than that right now. What makes you think he can put up those kind of numbers on a loaded, championship contending team? I know he may likely replace Marcus Smart's minutes (if we get lucky with the LAL pick) but he would still have to beat out Rozier for minutes.

He would beat out Rozier for minutes, and it wouldn’t be close.  He’s at 20/6.5/4 in 26 minutes a game.  He’s also 18.  Yes, the NBA is more difficult than Europe, but if Tatum can come in and put up 14/6 making a much further jump from college to the NBA, after having gone for 17/7 in college, there’s no reason Doncic can’t do the same.  We saw how he played for Slovenia vs. Spain, when he was the best player on the court with both Gasols, Rubio, and Dragic.  (Not saying that he’s better than all of them, just that he was that game).  If there were no age limit, he’d be in the NBA today, getting a lot of minutes on any team in the league.

He’s the most NBA-ready prospect in at least a decade.  I can’t wait to see how he does next year, and I hope he’s wearing green.
I just don't see him being able to guard smaller, quicker players, like Rozier and Smart can/do.
Doncic will be 19, not to nitpick, in 3 months. I also think this roster is too deep for Doncic to make as a significant contribution on as some think he may. I would go in another direction (Bagley, Ayton, Bamba), depending on whether the pick conveys and if it does, it's slot number.
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Doncic fan for 2 years running.

Doncic is 6' 8", 230 lbs (and probably going to grow a little more).   He's not going to play the 1 or 2 like Rozier.  He's going to play the 2 or 3.   So I'm not really expecting him to be facing up the Kyrie Irvings and the Isaiah Thomas' of the NBA.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on November 26, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Watched him against Panathinaikos, looked good although they lost the game, might post more in the euroleague thread later
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: viulo on December 14, 2017, 10:31:56 PM
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=91&seasoncode=E2017#!videos

Fantastic in the win vs Barcelona. Watch at 00:52 a full court shot... And at 01:25 a fabulous crossover.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 14, 2017, 10:45:24 PM
He is incredible.  I just recently jumped in on the Luka Doncic bandwagon.  Personally I prefer Bagley and Ayton for the Celtics but I recognize that Doncic is an esquisite talent.  I’ve said this before:  in his prime, he could be the most skilled player in the NBA
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 14, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Love Luka. If the Cs got the chance to draft him and let go,of Smart, I think for a few years Luka could have a Manu Ginobelli effect for these Celtics. I think Doncic is easily the most NBA ready player in this draft and could easily be ROY. And on Boston maybe Sixth Man of the Year as well. Kid has an incredible future in this league.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 14, 2017, 10:51:19 PM
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=91&seasoncode=E2017#!videos

Fantastic in the win vs Barcelona. Watch at 00:52 a full court shot... And at 01:25 a fabulous crossover.

That crossover was amazing.  Didn't just break the guys ankles, but blew out the guys acl's as well.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: biggs on December 14, 2017, 11:38:22 PM
Yes! I was yearning for this thread when someone made the" Ayton final piece" post. This draft looks exciting to say the least, let's hope we get a crack at it!

I'm a huge Bagley fan, (mostly because of John) :) , but OP sold me on Doncic a long time ago.

Kid looks legit
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 14, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
He reminds me of Jimmer Fredette with 4 extra inches and a bit more athleticism. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 15, 2017, 03:49:34 AM
Love Luka. If the Cs got the chance to draft him and let go,of Smart, I think for a few years Luka could have a Manu Ginobelli effect for these Celtics. I think Doncic is easily the most NBA ready player in this draft and could easily be ROY. And on Boston maybe Sixth Man of the Year as well. Kid has an incredible future in this league.
From what Ive seen, this seems about right.

Irving-Doncic-Brown-Tatum-Horford would be so lethal down the stretch of games.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on December 15, 2017, 08:11:28 AM
If the Cs somehow wind up with Doncic I will not be sad at all. I really like this kid. Amazing what he is doing for Real Madrid as a freshly turned 18 year old. His offensive game is polished (in a similar way to Tatum almost).

The thing I am worried about with him is how is athleticism translates to NBA.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 15, 2017, 08:17:21 AM
He's still only 18. On March 1st he'll be 19 and a day. Not sure I would take him with the 2nd pick but would strongly consider him with 3, 4 or 5 (depending on Michael Porter's status....good chance he stays in school for another year). Marvin Bagley is actually 2 weeks younger than Doncic. 2 whole weeks!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on December 15, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
He's still only 18. On March 1st he'll be 19 and a day. Not sure I would take him with the 2nd pick but would strongly consider him with 3, 4 or 5 (depending on Michael Porter's status....good chance he stays in school for another year). Marvin Bagley is actually 2 weeks younger than Doncic. 2 whole weeks!
It's bonkers how young some of these guys are. It also bonkers that Doncic was starting as a 16 year old. Just nuts.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: coffee425 on December 15, 2017, 09:26:04 AM
Love Luka. If the Cs got the chance to draft him and let go,of Smart, I think for a few years Luka could have a Manu Ginobelli effect for these Celtics. I think Doncic is easily the most NBA ready player in this draft and could easily be ROY. And on Boston maybe Sixth Man of the Year as well. Kid has an incredible future in this league.
From what Ive seen, this seems about right.

Irving-Doncic-Brown-Tatum-Horford would be so lethal down the stretch of games.

Hayward just had an injury, he didnt die you know.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on December 15, 2017, 10:44:28 AM
Love Luka. If the Cs got the chance to draft him and let go,of Smart, I think for a few years Luka could have a Manu Ginobelli effect for these Celtics. I think Doncic is easily the most NBA ready player in this draft and could easily be ROY. And on Boston maybe Sixth Man of the Year as well. Kid has an incredible future in this league.
Strongly agree with all three, but not much more though, he is never going to be a two way stars that worth the max, that said he is more valuable for already contending team(us) than other teams as a 6 man, it's him or bamba for me
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on December 16, 2017, 04:10:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRzAV1feQM&feature=youtu.be

(I can't stand this commentator, but that's another story)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 16, 2017, 04:15:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRzAV1feQM&feature=youtu.be

(I can't stand this commentator, but that's another story)
Its plays like this that make me question people who say he doesn't have the athleticism to make him a star in the NBA. He will be a major offensive factor straight from the start and if drafted by Boston, would buy into the Celtic defensive system and be as good as Tatum is this year.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on December 16, 2017, 05:13:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRzAV1feQM&feature=youtu.be

(I can't stand this commentator, but that's another story)
Its plays like this that make me question people who say he doesn't have the athleticism to make him a star in the NBA. He will be a major offensive factor straight from the start and if drafted by Boston, would buy into the Celtic defensive system and be as good as Tatum is this year.

Well Claver is not even an average NBA athlete. But i agree that Doncic is not that bad athlete. I don't have a magic sphere , maybe in 3 years Doncic will be the Slovenia MCW but today he is by far the most NBA ready player in the draft. His maturity is unreal for an 18y.o. (remember this is his 4 pro season and the second as star of Real Madrid)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: playdream on December 16, 2017, 05:33:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRzAV1feQM&feature=youtu.be

(I can't stand this commentator, but that's another story)
Its plays like this that make me question people who say he doesn't have the athleticism to make him a star in the NBA. He will be a major offensive factor straight from the start and if drafted by Boston, would buy into the Celtic defensive system and be as good as Tatum is this year.
What? He crossed him up only because his handles are elite AND the floor is wet, Smart or Brown will sent this into second floor..
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 16, 2017, 06:27:16 AM
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Its plays like this that make me question people who say he doesn't have the athleticism to make him a star in the NBA

I watched your video and it does not convince me that he has or has not NBA athletic ability.  He can stop and start fast is all it showed.  He can dribble and break some one's ankles.  But it did not show definite information about his athletic ability.  Thanks for starting my day with a laugh.  He has skills but with all due respect that video does not convince me that he is a superior athlete, perhaps a skilled one.

Here is some film against NBA players

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sPxV4YGNa0

Not he is not blowing by them, seems hesistant to try to go past them and he is not jumping over them.  Realize that he is young in this video but guys have came straight out of high school and did well before.

Looking at other  tape of him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwegadp7k8Q

You can examples of his athleticism or lack thereof on a dunk around 40 secs.  Another dunk at 1:00 mark.    The first dunk his elevation is poor, the second it is decent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNE38no9Oxc

At the 2:25 mark, another dunk, its a put back.   I see a guy who is average to slighty above leaper but not superior in any way in terms of vertical leap.   That is only a small part of athletic ability though. 

Another thing is that he does not get his separation though athletic burst or speed.   He gets it through guile and craftiness.   This denotes that he is not the quickest guy. Physical domination will never be his calling card from what I have observed.

I think he has a lot of strengths.  Great court vision, enthusiasm for the game, good hand, good attitude, nice handles and nice shot.   But great athleticism is not a big strength for him.   He is simply not a super athlete.   He is athletic enough to play in the NBA, probably.  Guys can still play in the NBA without it.   What I liked about him was he was crafty, skilled and sneaky and seemed to be playing the game a few plays ahead of everyone else.  Tons of guys have made it through the league without being top notch athletes and having loads of skills.

But in all honesty, I can see why some would have some concerns about his athletic ability.  Not to mention the competition and play in the videos in terms of athletic ability.   I bet guys on the Duke team are more athletic than some of the teams in those videos.

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i agree that Doncic is not that bad athlete

Yep, decent but not superior, not bad and not great.

NBA draft net has his weaknesses as:

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Weaknesses: His biggest flaw is his lack of quickness and lateral speed, which affects his effectiveness in 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents ... Furthermore this also limits his offensive effectiveness in ISO situations when he has to rely on his body control and fakes to create the space for the shot or to draw conta

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-doncic

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on December 16, 2017, 07:42:29 AM
Nowadays, I am sure many would say that Larry Bird doesn't have NBA level athleticism.
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.
Smarts, skill and great mentality - I'd take that combination in a heartbeat.
Much rather then to draft a "beast" and hope to teach him all of that.

I remember Hardens, Currys and CPs scouting reports before entering the league.
All were labeled as skilled but "will they be fast and/or strong enough to translate it to the NBA?".

Most of the time, superior skill pans out.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on December 16, 2017, 07:46:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRzAV1feQM&feature=youtu.be

(I can't stand this commentator, but that's another story)

Nasty!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on December 16, 2017, 10:47:34 AM
He is flat out amazing.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 16, 2017, 11:34:29 AM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on December 17, 2017, 06:21:35 AM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
You have clearly mistaken me for someone else, I don't hype Euroleague players. I cheer for every Croatian, my homies. Dončić, Slovenian, is projected to be go 1-4 in the draft.
I think that it is widely regarded that top Euroleague and Eurochampionship players are better than the top NCAA players since the level of competition is much tougher.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 17, 2017, 08:42:58 AM
You hyped your native country members pretty hard.   But that is you're right and it is a good thing to be proud of your country and to love it.

I think Doncic can play by the way but I don't think that physically he is a super athlete.  I think he has great hand eye coordination, but not superb run and jump athleticism.   That being said he is not unathletic.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 02, 2018, 04:33:43 AM
Doncic actually has a lot of James Harden qualities to me. He can dunk, but not an insane leaper. He has a great first step, and knack for using his defenders momentum against them, but he is not "nba quick" to the eye. He has a slightly strange release point on his outside shot, but it seems to go in often. Every finish is so ugly that it's beautiful.

Didn't Harden win 6th man when he was on the Thunder?

I think in our rotation, he could be that role easily, and be that missing scoring option/floor general for the second unit.

Sharing the floor with Kyrie, and two floor spacing wings like Tatum and Hayward would be absolutely nasty.

Again, I still see it hard if we are sitting there at #2 and one of Ayton/Bagley is staring Aigne in the face, that he doesn't pull the trigger.....if anything, to then flip one of them to New Orleans for AD, which he allegedly covets (and he is a big).

I think there are 7 elite talents with different skillsets that fill immediate needs for our bench, or Ayton/Bagley as an eventual starting big.

Really thinking about trying to find a way to poison the gatorade in the home team locker room at Staples Center. I live in San Diego. So i'm pretty close! 😂
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on January 02, 2018, 10:26:48 AM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 02, 2018, 10:54:40 AM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on January 02, 2018, 11:19:48 AM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance

While it may seem so, it is debatable. Neither the Pelicans (Davis), the Kings (Cousins), the Knicks (Porzingis), the Sixers (Embiid*) or the Wolves (Towns) have been playing beyond April. They are very young, but...facts are facts.

PF/C matter, but they are not a requisite to be successful in today's NBA as they used to be (Shaq, Olajuwon, Jabbar, etc).

Being the first pick or not will depend on their seasons, injuries, team needs and measures (they are still growing).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on January 02, 2018, 11:26:56 AM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 02, 2018, 11:59:12 AM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Sabonis would have been the No.1 overall pick in many of the drafts, if teams knew he would come over stateside within a year, between '85 and '90 or so (before turning 30), even though he didn't come over here for 10 years after he was last drafted.
Dirk was a highly touted prospect as well. More so than Doncic or Kucoc.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 02, 2018, 01:36:22 PM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Sabonis would have been the No.1 overall pick in many of the drafts, if teams knew he would come over stateside within a year, between '85 and '90 or so (before turning 30), even though he didn't come over here for 10 years after he was last drafted.
Dirk was a highly touted prospect as well. More so than Doncic or Kucoc.
Couldn't be further away from the truth. I haven't heard of Dirk before he went to Dallas.
Pau Gasol for instance was much more known to the general public at the time.
Kukoč was super popular at the time of his Euro dominance, after that, playing with the 3peat Bulls made him even more popular. Even though he is so phlegmatic and not that interested in the media by nature.
@Dario Spanish fan can surely tell of Dončićs popularity in the Spain now. In Croatia, already superficial basketball followers know about him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 02, 2018, 01:45:04 PM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Sabonis would have been the No.1 overall pick in many of the drafts, if teams knew he would come over stateside within a year, between '85 and '90 or so (before turning 30), even though he didn't come over here for 10 years after he was last drafted.
Dirk was a highly touted prospect as well. More so than Doncic or Kucoc.
Couldn't be further away from the truth. I haven't heard of Dirk before he went to Dallas.
Pau Gasol for instance was much more known to the general public at the time.
Kukoč was super popular at the time of his Euro dominance, after that, playing with the 3peat Bulls made him even more popular. Even though he is so phlegmatic and not that interested in the media by nature.
@Dario Spanish fan can surely tell of Dončićs popularity in the Spain now. In Croatia, already superficial basketball followers know about him.
You may have wanted to say "I couldn't disagree more" instead of "couldn't be further from the truth". Not so.
Here is what his coach said when he seen him. You can look it up yourself about what a hard-on the Mavs had for Dirk.
Don Nelson on scouting and drafting Dirk Nowitzki, 'The best young player I had ever seen'
Edit: And as we all know, the C's wanted Dirk badly in that draft.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: moiso on January 02, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Sabonis would have been the No.1 overall pick in many of the drafts, if teams knew he would come over stateside within a year, between '85 and '90 or so (before turning 30), even though he didn't come over here for 10 years after he was last drafted.
Dirk was a highly touted prospect as well. More so than Doncic or Kucoc.
Couldn't be further away from the truth. I haven't heard of Dirk before he went to Dallas.
Pau Gasol for instance was much more known to the general public at the time.
Kukoč was super popular at the time of his Euro dominance, after that, playing with the 3peat Bulls made him even more popular. Even though he is so phlegmatic and not that interested in the media by nature.
@Dario Spanish fan can surely tell of Dončićs popularity in the Spain now. In Croatia, already superficial basketball followers know about him.
You may have wanted to say "I couldn't disagree more" instead of "couldn't be further from the truth". Not so.
Here is what his coach said when he seen him. You can look it up yourself about what a hard-on the Mavs had for Dirk.
Don Nelson on scouting and drafting Dirk Nowitzki, 'The best young player I had ever seen'
Edit: And as we all know, the C's wanted Dirk badly in that draft.
Some people liked him, but he went 9th.  Doncic is definitely more of a sure thing. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on January 02, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
Better and better every week. I told you months ago (I can watch him play every week) that he has to be nº1 pick overall unless any other player breaks it and is projected as a franchise cornerstone like Lebron or Ewing were seen in their drafts.

Doncic is an improved mix of Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc. Long, skilled, savvy and crafty. Even though he plays for Real, I have to admit so.

He's the best European prospect ever, and he's doing unprecedented things, but will that be enough to get him drafted ahead of Ayton and/or Bagley?  Those 2 look the part of future NBA studs- with elite physical tools, dominant stats and plenty of room to grow- and young bigs like Embiid, Davis and KAT show that the PF/C position is on the rise again as far as importance.

I think he is special but I wouldn't go as far as best prospect ever.... Kukoc, Drazen and Sabonis were also unbelievable from very young age too....

But being in this discussion is by it self not a small thing
Sabonis would have been the No.1 overall pick in many of the drafts, if teams knew he would come over stateside within a year, between '85 and '90 or so (before turning 30), even though he didn't come over here for 10 years after he was last drafted.
Dirk was a highly touted prospect as well. More so than Doncic or Kucoc.
Couldn't be further away from the truth. I haven't heard of Dirk before he went to Dallas.
Pau Gasol for instance was much more known to the general public at the time.
Kukoč was super popular at the time of his Euro dominance, after that, playing with the 3peat Bulls made him even more popular. Even though he is so phlegmatic and not that interested in the media by nature.
@Dario Spanish fan can surely tell of Dončićs popularity in the Spain now. In Croatia, already superficial basketball followers know about him.
You may have wanted to say "I couldn't disagree more" instead of "couldn't be further from the truth". Not so.
Here is what his coach said when he seen him. You can look it up yourself about what a hard-on the Mavs had for Dirk.
Don Nelson on scouting and drafting Dirk Nowitzki, 'The best young player I had ever seen'
Edit: And as we all know, the C's wanted Dirk badly in that draft.
I have to agree with Androslav. Stateside, Dirk got very little hype. Boston was one of the only very few teams to scout him. It was quite the shock when Dallas chose him as most thought he was headed to the Celtics since they were mostly associated with him.

The players that got all the predraft hype were Olowokandi, Pierce, Carter, Jamison, and LaFrentz. You heard very little about Dirk, especially since Euros barely ever got drafted in the top of the draft and few teams scouted overseas.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on January 02, 2018, 03:07:11 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on January 02, 2018, 04:41:32 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 02, 2018, 06:00:45 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

Bender played for Maccabi Tel Aviv. They have 6 European championships.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 02, 2018, 07:22:00 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on January 02, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
Don't even know how this is being disputed. Dirk was a far bigger unknown
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on January 02, 2018, 09:54:39 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
Don't even know how this is being disputed. Dirk was a far bigger unknown
I agree. Its not even close
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on January 05, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
At age 19, immediately following a year of compulsory military service, Dirk scored 28.2ppg, won German POY and led his team to the Championship.  He declined offers to play professionally, preferring to finish his Abitur (educational certificate).  He played in 2 Nike tourneys against NBA players and dominated (33/14), beating team USA.  There just wasn't as much coverage and hype. 

When I watch those Nowitzki highlights, there's no question he projected as a better NBA player than Doncic.  Can't teach height and he had great mobility for a 7 footer.  Defense was awful.  Easy to say in hindsight tho.  I'm also not as high on Doncic as most.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on January 05, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
Don't even know how this is being disputed. Dirk was a far bigger unknown
I agree. Its not even close
Dirk was drafted at 20 years old (and 5 days).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on January 05, 2018, 03:58:26 PM
Dirk was not an unknown. His dismantling of Team USA during the Nike Summit caused his stock to skyrocket. That was against a team that included future NBA players like Harrington and Rashard Lewis. If that were now, he'd be a top 5 pick. However, at that time teams were still hesitant on selecting international players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCMSe1Injiw
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 09, 2018, 12:57:56 PM
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/9/16866612/luka-doncic-trae-young-steph-curry-generation
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 09, 2018, 01:10:45 PM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
At age 19, immediately following a year of compulsory military service, Dirk scored 28.2ppg, won German POY and led his team to the Championship.  He declined offers to play professionally, preferring to finish his Abitur (educational certificate).  He played in 2 Nike tourneys against NBA players and dominated (33/14), beating team USA.  There just wasn't as much coverage and hype. 

When I watch those Nowitzki highlights, there's no question he projected as a better NBA player than Doncic.  Can't teach height and he had great mobility for a 7 footer.  Defense was awful.  Easy to say in hindsight tho.  I'm also not as high on Doncic as most.

That's all true, but he still wasn't a more highly regarded prospect.  You can argue that he should have been higher than Doncic, or that today he would be, but arguing that Dirk in 1998 was a more highly regarded prospect than Doncic in 2018 is a losing position.  Open and shut.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 30, 2018, 06:19:59 AM
Here is an insider article on Luka from "Cleaning the glass".
Originally there were video clips between paragraphs.

Learn even a little bit about Luka Doncic, and it’s easy to believe. He has the size of a wing, rebounds like a forward, but handles and passes like a point guard. He is described as competitive, poised, and obsessed with basketball. He has dominated his peers at every age. He’s now playing as a professional against grown men and seasoned veterans — and he’s still dominating. Doncic is competing in the second best basketball league in the world, and through 31 games has more than held his own. He has been both one of the highest usage players in Euroleague play, and at the same time one of the most efficient. Pick-and-rolls captained by Doncic have had the highest points per possession, by far, compared to all others in Euroleague play, and same for ACB (Spanish) league play. And, oh yeah: there’s still a month and a half until he turns 19.

Seriously, look at the headlines of these articles. In October, Mike Schmitz of DraftExpress/ESPN wrote: There has never been an NBA draft prospect like Slovenia’s Luka Doncic. Last February, Dean Demakis asked: Is Luka Doncic the Best Draft Prospect Ever? That may sound extreme, but the articles are very reasonable. Doncic’s resume and production are so good that those headlines are not just normal sports hyperbole.

That’s why we’ll start our midseason review with Doncic. But that doesn’t mean we’ll simply accept the idea of Doncic as a sure-fire future superstar without question. Because dig a little bit deeper, and there is still plenty to study and discuss.

One of the problems with having draft rankings is that when we’re dealing with something as uncertain as the future of a basketball player, an ordered list is too simplistic. I wrote about this around last year’s draft: some players are riskier and some are safer. How do you rank a risky player compared to a safe one? That depends on many factors, including the goals of the franchise that is picking and where in the draft their pick falls. Some franchises might be more interested in swinging for the fences and some might value playing it safe. A pick that turns into a bust at the top of the draft is much more damaging than a pick that turns into a bust later, since it means missing out on many more talented players.

(This feels like a good time to mention: if you haven’t read my three-part series on the draft from last June, it will be helpful to understand the perspective I’m coming from when evaluating these players. Here are the links:

Part 1: There’s a lot we don’t know about the draft, but we do know some important things.
Part 2: If we embrace this lack of knowledge and learn the science of making decisions under uncertainty, we can understand how decision making tools like statistical analysis fit into the broader picture.
Part 3: An example of how to think about the draft through the lens of uncertainty. Introducing draft risk profiles.)
Doncic’s performance thus far easily warrants consideration near the top of the draft. Barring some unknown medical red flags, Doncic will go in the top handful of selections. That means we need to evaluate him with a different perspective than we would if he were a late lottery or late first round pick.

And if we’re talking about him #1 overall? The level of scrutiny has to be even higher, the focus even sharper on one key question: what is the chance that Doncic becomes a star?

A top pick in the draft is one of the best ways for a team to acquire a franchise-changing player. Getting a star via free agency requires max cap room alongside a team that is attractive enough that a star wants to join. Acquiring one through a trade requires a star on another team to become disgruntled near the end of his contract, and a team with enough assets that they can win the bidding and still have a good enough roster to convince the star to stay when his contract is up.

But hit on a top draft pick and the player plays under a contract that is incredibly favorable to the team. The team controls the player for a minimum of 5 years, and because of the negotiating leverage on their first extension, usually has the player under contract for 9 full seasons. (For more on this, see my article from July about the NBA’s salary rules, Cornered Market.)

Teams picking #1 overall, of course, have the best shot at such a player, and hit on it at a startling rate. Over the 20 drafts from 1993-2012, the #1 overall pick has been a multi-time All-Star 13 times. Why that’s the case is a discussion for another time, but suffice it to say: if a team is picking #1 and does not come away with a multi-time All-Star, that’s a disappointment.

Which means with a player like Doncic, we’re not just concerned with whether he’ll be good, but just how good. If you think of the draft risk profiles I detailed in A Roll of the Dice, Part 3, we’re zooming way in on the right side of the graph and trying to get as much resolution as possible on what it looks like. What is the chance Doncic is a multi-time All-Star? A consistent All-NBA player? A Hall of Famer?

Because for Doncic, his skill level is so high that it’s hard to imagine him not becoming at least a useful NBA player. This isn’t Anthony Bennett or Kwame Brown, a speculative bet on something that isn’t yet apparent. We can have pretty high confidence that if you put him in an NBA game today, he’d hold his own.

For someone of his size, Doncic is remarkably good at navigating tight spaces and keeping his dribble alive with a player on his back:

He keeps the ball on a string while pressured or going full speed in transition:

While his 3PT% has hovered around 33% this year and last, Doncic’s shot seems stronger than that number suggests. A large percentage of these shots are off the dribble, including difficult step backs:

Those last two came in overtime, with tired legs in a big game. And he made them look easy.

He has made over 80% of his free throws this year and last, and Synergy Sports reports that he’s made around 40% of his catch and shoot threes in the same timeframe, both indications he’s a better shooter than his raw 3PT% would suggest.

But what’s most impressive about Doncic is his passing. Even at his age, Doncic possesses a sophisticated understanding of defensive rotations, in a way that only some of the best NBA passers do. He knows when and how the defense is going to shift and throws the pass just as they’re heading the wrong direction. He has the height to make the pass over the top of the defense, the touch to get the speed and placement just right, and the strength to fire it one-handed from one side of the court to the other. His pick-and-roll passing, in particular, is extremely impressive. He has great pace, knows how to create angles, and he reads all 5 defenders on the court.

Here’s a full breakdown from YouTube of his passing at EuroBasket 2017 which shows off the full array of his skills:

Yet while those all may be indications of future stardom, they aren’t sufficient for its achievement — because Doncic does not seem to have the physical tools of some of the NBA’s superstars. He does not appear to have freakish length, a special burst off the ground, a surge to separate from defenders, or the lateral quickness to lock up the ball. In fact, one could argue he’s below average for an NBA wing in all of these categories. Is his skill level enough to make up for that?

From what I have seen so far, Doncic seems to struggle to separate from his man. He tends to play over people, not by them. He has shown nice touch and body control to convert on difficult shots, but it’s possible these shots will be much more difficult against NBA defenders. His 2PT% has been quite good, and he has finished well when he has gotten to the rim, but he has not gotten all the way to the basket nearly as much as might be expected.

Defensively he has shown good recognition of team concepts, shifting as necessary when on the weak side and aware of his responsibilities tagging the roller. Certainly he seems more advanced in this area than many of his American counterparts. But he is not a high steal player, and in the film I have watched there have been reasons to worry. He hasn’t guarded the ball much, but a few times had some concerning closeouts or poor instances of lateral quickness

He was targeted in the post as a good matchup for other Euroleague teams. And there were multiple instances of him missing box outs and giving up offensive rebounds to his man.

Hedo Turkoglu is a bit taller than Doncic, but during his prime in Orlando didn’t play all that dissimilar from what we might expect of Doncic. He could handle and run pick-and-roll, shot better than 40% from three, and had the vision and size to pass over the defense. During those years with the Magic, Turkoglu was one of the more impactful offensive players in the league. And yet if a team selected prime Turkoglu with the #1 overall pick, they’d be disappointed. He was very good, but not the type of player that could carry an offense, and he was a liability on the other end.

Turkoglu might be a reasonable projection for Doncic if his physical limitations put a ceiling on his development. Nicolas Batum might be another: Batum in Charlotte has been a focal point of the offense, and one of the league’s best passing wings. He’s been a solid shooter but not great, and hasn’t gotten to the rim or the foul line at a high rate, so his efficiency has only been middling. He’s clearly been one of the league’s better offensive players, but not the top flight player you aim to get with a top overall pick — and it’s not crazy to think Doncic could end up playing similarly.

Let’s go one step further: what’s the worst case (but still realistic) scenario for Doncic? If we look back in 5 years and view Doncic as a bad pick at the top of the draft, what happened?

I’d say it would go something like this: his shot isn’t quite as good as we think, so he’s a decent off-the-dribble shooter but not special. He doesn’t have the surge to separate off the dribble or the burst to elevate over NBA size and length in tight. That makes him a limited scorer, relegated to difficult midrange shots and pull-up threes. He is a very good passer who runs a lot of pick-and-roll, finding the open man consistently, but without being able to score efficiently teams switch a lot or drop back and try to turn him into a scorer. That makes him a solid offensive player, but his weaknesses defensively become more glaring without an ability to make up for them as much on offense.

On the other hand, it’s not hard to see it all clicking. Players like Turkoglu and Batum didn’t do anything close to what Doncic has done at his age. Nobody has. And that would suggest Doncic is so much further along the development curve than his counterparts that he still can get a lot better. Maybe he’s prime Turkoglu and Batum right now, and as he gets with an NBA staff and matures, he’ll have both skill and physical upside. Maybe his handle and shot will get even better, he’ll adjust to NBA speed and size and be able to leverage it to his advantage. Maybe he’ll be in the mold of Steve Nash and Steph Curry, a player whose skill-level and basketball IQ is so high that his limitations are beside the point.

Getting some sense of where Doncic falls in that range is going to be one of the most important tasks of NBA front offices at the top of the draft over the next 6 months. To that end, these are the kinds of questions that will be areas of focused study:

Will Doncic be able to put pressure on the the rim reliably in the halfcourt?
Does he do that in Europe now?
How often does he get to the rim in the halfcourt off the dribble?
What percentage has he shot on those attempts?
How contested are they?
How might that change against NBA defense?
Can he reliably beat NBA defenders off the dribble? How much does that matter for his future success?
How much upside is there from a training and physical maturity standpoint to improve his quickness and leaping?
How will he score efficiently in the NBA?
Is it all about threes?
If so, how confident are we in his shot?
Will he be able to get to the line consistently in the NBA?
How will he be a threat as a scorer out of the pick-and-roll? As a pull-up shooter, or something more?
Does that even matter? Or is he such a good passer that if defenses try to play more conservatively he’ll still be able to find teammates for good looks?
What if opponents consistently switch pick-and-rolls against him? Will that turn him into a one-on-one player and neutralize a lot of his advantages?
Just how good is his passing and handle? Is it so good that he’ll be able to make plays instinctively even if the defense is trying to take advantage of his weaknesses (similar to how Ben Simmons has been very effective despite teams trying to cushion everything)?
Will he be a liability defensively? If so, how much?
Who will he guard?
Can he guard NBA perimeter speed and shooting?
Can he switch onto bigger players and handle them on the post or on the glass?
How much is his defensive rebounding a factor?
His numbers are good, but how many of those are uncontested rebounds where he grabs and goes vs. traffic rebounds?
Does he consistently box out or understand rebounding positioning to contribute on the glass even if he doesn’t grab as many rebounds himself?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on January 30, 2018, 07:00:11 AM
Dirk was highly regarded prospect but nowhere near the the level Doncic is today. Doncic leads Real Madrid at 18 while Dirk played in the second German division.

Kukoc at 19 lead Yugoplastica to the title and followed with 3 consecutive European championships by 23

Dirk's biggest achievement was MVP of the German championship at 22... Not a big deal considering the level of the German league at the time.

Dirk has better carrier than Kukoc and probably than Doncic too but at 18-20 y.o. there is absolutely no comparison
Huh? You mean after he was in the league for 3 years?
There's an article from a few years ago where Don Nelson went through this whole thing when his kid found Dirk and he did everything in his power to keep Dirk away from other teams by telling not to work out for them and not to interview, etc. It's why teams are all over the Euro circuit. They don't want to miss out on the next Dirk. Look at Bender. He played in a crap league yet he was talked about being a top 2 or 3 pick based on what exactly? It wasn't his game logs, that's for sure.

If Dirk was as good a prospect as Doncic, he'd have gone higher than 9th in a draft where Michael Olowokandi went 1st.  If he were as good a prospect, he'd also have led his pro league in PER as a teenager.  I'm sure Dirk will end up the better pro but he wasn't a better prospect.
At age 19, immediately following a year of compulsory military service, Dirk scored 28.2ppg, won German POY and led his team to the Championship.  He declined offers to play professionally, preferring to finish his Abitur (educational certificate).  He played in 2 Nike tourneys against NBA players and dominated (33/14), beating team USA.  There just wasn't as much coverage and hype. 

When I watch those Nowitzki highlights, there's no question he projected as a better NBA player than Doncic.  Can't teach height and he had great mobility for a 7 footer.  Defense was awful.  Easy to say in hindsight tho.  I'm also not as high on Doncic as most.

Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?


Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 30, 2018, 07:12:31 AM
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Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?

Now you know how I feel when people compare other leagues to the NBA...Yes, there are guys who can play in the NBA but most of them do not cut it.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 30, 2018, 07:27:24 AM
I'm not sure what this conversation is about.

Dirk is now a HoFer and Doncic might never become one.

But back at when he was drafted, Dirk went number 9 (and was projected even lower than that) at a draft with weak selections at the top. At age 20.

At age 18, Doncic is in the conversation to go first in a top-heavy draft and he was the second best player of a the team that won Eurobasket.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on January 30, 2018, 07:38:30 AM
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Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?

Now you know how I feel when people compare other leagues to the NBA...Yes, there are guys who can play in the NBA but most of them do not cut it.

I see your point, but two wrongs don't make one right. Moreover, Nowitzki won his title in the Second Bundesliga. It is understandable that many ppl get confused on this point, but the Second Bundesliga is nothing like Bundesliga proper.

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on January 30, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
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Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?

Now you know how I feel when people compare other leagues to the NBA...Yes, there are guys who can play in the NBA but most of them do not cut it.

I see your point, but two wrongs don't make one right. Moreover, Nowitzki won his title in the Second Bundesliga. It is understandable that many ppl get confused on this point, but the Second Bundesliga is nothing like Bundesliga proper.

Small correction ... not Second Bundesliga.... The south division of the 2nd Bundesliga
And although today the German League is pretty good  the level is much lower than Liga ACB and Euroleague. 20 years ago the first german division was much weaker !

Dirk is a future Hall of famer and Doncic should be happy to even get All NBA considerations but PRE DRAFT Dirk wasn't anywhere close to the level Doncic is

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: smokeablount on January 30, 2018, 11:02:35 AM
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Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?

Now you know how I feel when people compare other leagues to the NBA...Yes, there are guys who can play in the NBA but most of them do not cut it.

I see your point, but two wrongs don't make one right. Moreover, Nowitzki won his title in the Second Bundesliga. It is understandable that many ppl get confused on this point, but the Second Bundesliga is nothing like Bundesliga proper.

Small correction ... not Second Bundesliga.... The south division of the 2nd Bundesliga
And although today the German League is pretty good  the level is much lower than Liga ACB and Euroleague. 20 years ago the first german division was much weaker !

Dirk is a future Hall of famer and Doncic should be happy to even get All NBA considerations but PRE DRAFT Dirk wasn't anywhere close to the level Doncic is

As someone who helped steer this thread off track into a Dirk vs. Doncic prospect war, I'll try to do my part to get things back on track- to those who have been following Doncic this year, has he kept up the dominance from the first part of the season, or leveled off a bit?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
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Are you comparing the German Basketball league 20 years ago to current Euroleague and the Spanish league  !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??! ?

Now you know how I feel when people compare other leagues to the NBA...Yes, there are guys who can play in the NBA but most of them do not cut it.

I see your point, but two wrongs don't make one right. Moreover, Nowitzki won his title in the Second Bundesliga. It is understandable that many ppl get confused on this point, but the Second Bundesliga is nothing like Bundesliga proper.

Small correction ... not Second Bundesliga.... The south division of the 2nd Bundesliga
And although today the German League is pretty good  the level is much lower than Liga ACB and Euroleague. 20 years ago the first german division was much weaker !

Dirk is a future Hall of famer and Doncic should be happy to even get All NBA considerations but PRE DRAFT Dirk wasn't anywhere close to the level Doncic is

As someone who helped steer this thread off track into a Dirk vs. Doncic prospect war, I'll try to do my part to get things back on track- to those who have been following Doncic this year, has he kept up the dominance from the first part of the season, or leveled off a bit?

Leveled off a little bit, hit a valley at the end of December, but has picked it back up a bit of late.   He's averaging 17/5/5 for the season on 47/35/85 shooting splits.  One underrated aspect of his game is that he gets to the line a lot, averaging nearly 6 free throw attempts per game, shooting the aforementioned 85% on them.  One undermentioned flaw in his game is his propensity for turnovers.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on February 04, 2018, 02:04:11 PM
For those who wish to see Doncic in the states, his game vs. CSKA Moscow (top team in Euroleague) is currently airing on NBA TV (2/4, 2-3:30 pm)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 09, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cfmairlot/status/962052651776016384

The shot you can't keep from watching.
He reminds me of... :laugh:
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on May 07, 2018, 03:12:17 AM
Phoenix GM, after hiring Kokoškov, about the draft.

It’s been suggested that having Kokoskov on board means the Suns will bypass Arizona center Deandre Ayton if they get the No. 1 pick and take Doncic instead. That makes some sense in that Kokoskov knows Doncic, and Doncic would be a perfect fit alongside Booker for the wide-open offense Kokoskov wants to run. McDonough, however, said that’s not necessarily the case.

“It’s an easy assumption to make, but we’re going to draft whoever we think the best player is,” McDonough said. “If we do get the Number 1 pick, Doncic will certainly be in that mix. But Ayton and a few other guys will, as well.” – via Arizona Republic

Yeah, right. Very convincing - not.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: ederson on May 10, 2018, 01:10:12 PM
First carrier triple double for Doncic...
17p 10as 10re (6/6ft 1/1 2p 3/3 3p) in 22mins
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: sdceltsfan on May 17, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
ESPN just reported that Doncic is “unsure” of wanting to play in the NBA next season....

Wondering if the 3 terrible teams/boring cities sitting atop the draft order affected his decision.

Atlanta can be cool, but as a dude from Europe, maybe he isn’t seeing the appeal of living and playing in a small market city?

Makes me also wonder if he’s seeing how that Sacramento pick pans out next season? If it lands number 1 he plays with Philly, which would be a great landing spot for him from a basketballl perspective. If Boston gets in the top 3, there is a chance he falls there.

Just speculating, after missing out on our 2.3% chance to get him this summer.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 17, 2018, 01:56:10 PM
ESPN just reported that Doncic is “unsure” of wanting to play in the NBA next season....

Wondering if the 3 terrible teams/boring cities sitting atop the draft order affected his decision.

Atlanta can be cool, but as a dude from Europe, maybe he isn’t seeing the appeal of living and playing in a small market city?

Makes me also wonder if he’s seeing how that Sacramento pick pans out next season? If it lands number 1 he plays with Philly, which would be a great landing spot for him from a basketballl perspective. If Boston gets in the top 3, there is a chance he falls there.

Just speculating, after missing out on our 2.3% chance to get him this summer.
tp

That's big  news
Read this on a draft board
"Sources are telling me coach Igor told him management is leaning toward Ayton and that this is a move to not go to the Kings"

completely understandable. Kings  had IT, Cousins, and Whiteside on the same roster.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on May 17, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
ESPN just reported that Doncic is “unsure” of wanting to play in the NBA next season....

Wondering if the 3 terrible teams/boring cities sitting atop the draft order affected his decision.

Atlanta can be cool, but as a dude from Europe, maybe he isn’t seeing the appeal of living and playing in a small market city?

Makes me also wonder if he’s seeing how that Sacramento pick pans out next season? If it lands number 1 he plays with Philly, which would be a great landing spot for him from a basketballl perspective. If Boston gets in the top 3, there is a chance he falls there.

Just speculating, after missing out on our 2.3% chance to get him this summer.
tp

That's big  news
Read this on a draft board
"Sources are telling me coach Igor told him management is leaning toward Ayton and that this is a move to not go to the Kings"
IMO, he wants a guarantee he will go no.1. This is smart power move by his camp. Saying also perhaps "We don't want Sacramento". Luka is "big" enough to pick his spot to some extent. I would love him to stay in the Europe and give us another chance of drafting him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Fafnir on May 17, 2018, 02:15:58 PM
He can't force the Suns to take him, he's trying to avoid going to the Kings that's all. We will see how it plays out. I imagine the Kings/Magic will both try and woo his agent and the various machinations will progress from there.

It'd potentially be good if he waits till next year for the C's just to make that draft class that much deeper when we have a potential high pick. But I imagine in the end he'll come over and get started on his NBA career.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mahcus smaht on May 17, 2018, 02:17:47 PM
I'm not sure what this conversation is about.

Dirk is now a HoFer and Doncic might never become one.

But back at when he was drafted, Dirk went number 9 (and was projected even lower than that) at a draft with weak selections at the top. At age 20.

At age 18, Doncic is in the conversation to go first in a top-heavy draft and he was the second best player of a the team that won Eurobasket.
One pick ahead of our very own Paul Pierce!

#6 and #15 all time in scoring picked back to back 9th and 10th!

Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mahcus smaht on May 17, 2018, 02:18:31 PM
He can't force the Suns to take him, he's trying to avoid going to the Kings that's all. We will see how it plays out. I imagine the Kings/Magic will both try and woo his agent and the various machinations will progress from there.

It'd potentially be good if he waits till next year for the C's just to make that draft class that much deeper when we have a potential high pick. But I imagine in the end he'll come over and get started on his NBA career.
Hopefully he's able to avoid the Kings. He is probably giong to have the biggest immediate impact.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 17, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
If he stays for next year, I hope someone tells him next year when our pick conveys that we aren't the kings lol
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: liam on May 17, 2018, 02:21:32 PM
He can't force the Suns to take him, he's trying to avoid going to the Kings that's all. We will see how it plays out. I imagine the Kings/Magic will both try and woo his agent and the various machinations will progress from there.

It'd potentially be good if he waits till next year for the C's just to make that draft class that much deeper when we have a potential high pick. But I imagine in the end he'll come over and get started on his NBA career.
Hopefully he's able to avoid the Kings. He is probably giong to have the biggest immediate impact.

The Kings would have to improve a lot just to stink.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: sdceltsfan on May 17, 2018, 02:25:24 PM
This is also great news for our chances at getting the SAC 2019 pick in a higher spot, IMO.

Doncic out of any prospects besides Ayton has the most NBA Ready type of transferable talent to make an immediate impact. Sacramento would still be a lotto team no doubt, but a player like Doncic could take a 20-25 win team like SAC is looking like and turn them in to a 28-35 win team, if his game translates immediately.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mef730 on May 17, 2018, 02:25:53 PM
The implication in a CBS article, though, was that he's just prepping for the EuroLeague title and doesn't want to look like he's already got a foot out the door.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-top-3-prospect-luka-doncic-still-undecided-about-leaving-euroleague-after-season/

Mike
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on May 17, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
The implication in a CBS article, though, was that he's just prepping for the EuroLeague title and doesn't want to look like he's already got a foot out the door.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-top-3-prospect-luka-doncic-still-undecided-about-leaving-euroleague-after-season/

Mike
I can see that. This was the quote
"Ι'm not sure if these are the last two games [in Europe]," Doncic said at a news conference for the EuroLeague Final Four. "We have yet to make this decision. Perhaps after the season."
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: liam on May 17, 2018, 02:45:44 PM
The implication in a CBS article, though, was that he's just prepping for the EuroLeague title and doesn't want to look like he's already got a foot out the door.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-top-3-prospect-luka-doncic-still-undecided-about-leaving-euroleague-after-season/

Mike
I can see that. This was the quote
"Ι'm not sure if these are the last two games [in Europe]," Doncic said at a news conference for the EuroLeague Final Four. "We have yet to make this decision. Perhaps after the season."

If Doncic comes over this year, next year he's still worth taking. For The Suns it helps the tank if he stays. The Kings no so much since we are getting there pick.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on May 30, 2018, 12:36:04 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on May 30, 2018, 05:25:35 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on May 30, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Are we trading the farm for Luka Doncic or DeAndre Ayton?

Tatum for Doncic straight up. Let's see if the Suns bite lol.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: mef730 on May 30, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
Are we trading the farm for Luka Doncic or DeAndre Ayton?

Tatum for Doncic straight up. Let's see if the Suns bite lol.

Just because marijuana has been legalized doesn't mean that you have to smoke it before posting.

Mike
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on June 08, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 03:30:28 PM
I think this puts things into full perspective at the type of player Bird was when he was a senior in High School, which is more or less the age Doncic is now.


But Bird, whom fans from outside the Valley labeled a kid from nowhere playing nobodies, failed to capture the state’s imagination. He wasn’t even considered one of the top players in Indiana—the 1974 Mr. Basketball title was shared by two other boys; Bird, who had signed to play with the Hoosiers over Purdue and Indiana State, was only a third-team all-state selection. That summer, stung by a lack of playing time on the Indiana Boys All-Star team in its annual series with Kentucky, Bird twice refused to enter a game at Butler’s Hinkle Fieldhouse to play mop-up minutes.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: PickNRoll on June 08, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on June 08, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.
You compared an 18 year old Doncic's stats in the Euroleague to 21 year old Larry's stats as a freshman. My guess is you didn't realize Larry was 3 years older than Luka at the points you are comparing them. It will be interesting to see how good Doncic will be at 23 in the NBA, which is how old Larry was as a rookie. Not expecting him to be as good but when comparing them, it will be good to see just how good each player was in the NBA at the same age.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 08, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Quote
Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.

How?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 03:48:41 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.

How?

Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age? If so, one word - logic. Unless you think those 10 Indiana players that made the 1st and 2nd team All-State, ahead of Bird, were also better than Doncic is now.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 08, 2018, 03:55:38 PM
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Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age?

He hasn't.  Also, in Bird's time the US amateurs beat the Europeans almost every year save one.  Those NCAA players kicked behind in the Olympics.  The Bird in his prime or coming out of college would have scored 30 points a game, maybe more, in Europe this year.  If we had a time machine he would make you eat your words.   He also was way better rebounder.

For those who think he will be equal to Bird, I feel bad for you.   You're going to get disappointed badly.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 03:59:32 PM
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Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age?

He hasn't.  Also, in Bird's time the US amateurs beat the Europeans almost every year save one.  Those NCAA players kicked behind in the Olympics.  The Bird in his prime or coming out of college would have scored 30 points a game, maybe more, in Europe this year.  If we had a time machine he would make you eat your words.   He also was way better rebounder.

For those who think he will be equal to Bird, I feel bad for you.   You're going to get disappointed badly.

Well, yeah, he actually has outperformed Bird whether you want to admit or not. Unless you think 3rd team all-state in Indiana is on par with being the MVP of Euroleague.

In Bird' time the US amateurs....Yes, but Bird wasn't on that team.

The Bird in his prime or coming out of college...Obviously. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.

The point is that Doncic at 19 is better than Bird WAS at 19.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 08, 2018, 04:03:34 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.

How?

Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age? If so, one word - logic. Unless you think those 10 Indiana players that made the 1st and 2nd team All-State, ahead of Bird, were also better than Doncic is now.

So what are you insinuating exactly?

That Doncic will have a comparable or better career than Bird? At the end of the day, who really cares what a prospect has done before they get to the NBA? It's about how well they'll do when they get to the NBA. I think Doncic will be a special player, but I'm more concerned about his lack of FTA, and his explosiveness/athleticism. People say Bird wasn't athletic, but he was ambidextrous, highly intelligent, and had great height along with uncanny ability to break down defenses. Doncic seems like the poster boy, but if you're suggesting Doncic will have a career anywhere close to Bird, I'm going to out on a limb here and say you're dead wrong.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Birdman on June 08, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Pass on this guy..think he will be a dud
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on June 08, 2018, 04:10:42 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.

How?

Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age? If so, one word - logic. Unless you think those 10 Indiana players that made the 1st and 2nd team All-State, ahead of Bird, were also better than Doncic is now.

So what are you insinuating exactly?

That Doncic will have a comparable or better career than Bird?

Never said that. In fact, I've repeatedly stated the exact opposite.

If you follow the thread you'll see that the debated shifted to Donic vs Bird at the same age. That answer to that question is obvious.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 08, 2018, 04:18:45 PM
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Dončić now, at age of 18, is head and shoulders above what Larry was then.

This is pretty comical.   I doubt you seen much or early Larry Bird.   If I had a dollar for every guy you hyped up from the Euroleague that busted, I bet I could have a good night on the town with a nicedinner, a movie and a taxi for two.

There is not much tape of Bird in high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8YYBqBHlg

that I am aware of, but here is some in college in 77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zmV209ews

I know he is a few years older  in 77 game but Bird was way better .
I'm late to this thread but I just have to comment on this.  Doncic ahead of Bird?  LOLOLOL!  Somebody clearly hasn't seen young Larry.  Bird was better than Doncic in every conceivable way.  Quicker, smarter, better shooter, much better defender, higher IQ (and Doncic is quite good), better passer (Doncic also quite good),better hands, better rebounder, better size, better without the ball, much better back-to-the basket game, vastly underrated athlete.  I suppose you could say their ballhandling is on par, adjusted for era and Doncic has a nice in-between game, but still not as good as Larry.

Bird put up 32.8/13.3/4.4 with 2.8 steals and 1 block in his Freshman year!  Bird was a 10/10, generational talent, surefire HOF'er.  Doncic will be a 3rd-fiddle role player.
Larry was a 21 year old freshman.
And?  Doncic is a 4th year pro who didn't improve between his 3rd and 4th year (didn't play much in yr 1).  The only real change from yr 3 to 4 was increased minutes and usage rate and worse 3pt shooting.  He's already a very polished player for his age, not some raw prospect in need of development.  He's not going to magically start pulling down 13 RPG with 3 steals.  He's not getting any better athletically.  That's why his ceiling isn't nearly as high as people think.

Again, I think Doncic will be a fine 14/5/5 type of rotation player, but Larry Bird?  Gimme a break.  100 times more likely to be Bojan Bogdanovic.

Of course Doncic is better at the same age, Bird wasn't even playing basketball and was picking up trash. This doesn't mean that Doncic WILL be better, but clearly Doncic, MVP of Euroleague at 19, has had the better first 19 years of basketball.
Correct.  Every NCAA, NBA or Euroleague player under 21 years old has outperformed Bird to this point in their life.  I'm glad this is settled.

Not necessarily, but Doncic clearly has.

How?

Is the question, how Doncic has outperformed Bird at the same age? If so, one word - logic. Unless you think those 10 Indiana players that made the 1st and 2nd team All-State, ahead of Bird, were also better than Doncic is now.

So what are you insinuating exactly?

That Doncic will have a comparable or better career than Bird?

Never said that. In fact, I've repeatedly stated the exact opposite.

If you follow the thread you'll see that the debated shifted to Donic vs Bird at the same age. That answer to that question is obvious.

Ah, I see. Forgive me, I generally avoid reading lengthy draft threads, because sometimes users tend to over-hype prospects they like more instead of looking at it from both sides.
Title: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 11, 2018, 01:47:22 PM
ESPN reported a couple hours ago. Not a huge surprise, although there was some risk with the SAC/ATL back to back picks at 2/3 possibly deterring him. Perhaps Doncics camp has gotten wind that neither club will draft him, or maybe they will pull the Ayton move and not work out for SAC/ATL?

Just speculation....with Bagley/Jackson/Bamba and even Trae Young's stock all seeming to rise, maybe Doncic falls to Dallas at 5? Orlando at 6?

This could be interesting for the Celtics if we are seriously considering moving in to that top 5-7 range. If Young were selected in the top 5, it guarantees that one of the above mentioned players (Ayton obviously going #1) will likely be available at 5-7, or Porter/Carter is sitting there at 7/8, where the outgoing assets will decrease on our end.

Does anyone see Sacramento taking Doncic over Bagley at #2? I feel like the NBADraft.net is a very solid mock at the moment, considering the current stocks of each prospect. Doncic goes to Dallas at #5
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 11, 2018, 01:53:39 PM
Any team that passes on Doncic will regret it.  That’s been my refrain for the last 18 months, and I’m not changing my tune.

Also, no surprise that he declared.  Just needed to wait until his pro season was as done as it could be.  His league’s finals begin Wednesday, but the deadline is today, so there you have it.

If the finals goes a full 5 games, he would be drafted before Game 5 is played (a week from Friday).
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: SparzWizard on June 11, 2018, 02:10:32 PM
Imagine if our Lakers pick conveyed. Man, we'd be having a summer  8)
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 11, 2018, 02:13:34 PM
Agreed. I feel like SAC will just draft him regardless and either force another team to trade assets, or they just keep him.

I love the scenario of SAC drafting Doncic because I see the team chemistry getting a major first-year shock with such a ball-dominant player, and just making adjustments to that with a bunch of young and/or mediocre players, should keep the Kings as a bottom 5 team when the ping pong balls get drawn next spring and we get to likely keep their pick.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 11, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
Imagine if our Lakers pick conveyed. Man, we'd be having a summer  8)

This X's a million.

What a drag, right? This top 8 looks absurd. Reminds me of the Lebron draft....except Ayton is the sure thing, and looks like a young Shaq with a jumper.

Ainge blew it with the #2-5 condition. Wonder if that was more HIS idea or Philly? He had to be thinking netting certain value, and how the drop-off throughout the history of the draft, falls off a cliff after the first 5 picks.

I would honestly take the pick where it landed at #10 in this draft, rather than wait a whole season, to get likely #4-8 range in 2019.

If we had #10, we could easily package it with Rozier and get a guy like Bamba/Jackson/Carter. Absolute bummer.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 11, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
Agreed. I feel like SAC will just draft him regardless and either force another team to trade assets, or they just keep him.

I love the scenario of SAC drafting Doncic because I see the team chemistry getting a major first-year shock with such a ball-dominant player, and just making adjustments to that with a bunch of young and/or mediocre players, should keep the Kings as a bottom 5 team when the ping pong balls get drawn next spring and we get to likely keep their pick.
From what I've seen of Doncic I wouldn't classify him as ball dominant. 
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 11, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
Agreed. I feel like SAC will just draft him regardless and either force another team to trade assets, or they just keep him.

I love the scenario of SAC drafting Doncic because I see the team chemistry getting a major first-year shock with such a ball-dominant player, and just making adjustments to that with a bunch of young and/or mediocre players, should keep the Kings as a bottom 5 team when the ping pong balls get drawn next spring and we get to likely keep their pick.
From what I've seen of Doncic I wouldn't classify him as ball dominant.

Hmmmm....I mean I don't have his international stats, but he essentially plays as a smaller point-forward. Brings the ball up frequently, drive and dish game....not a huge ISO ball type of player, but if you insert him in to a starting lineup next to De'aaron Fox, who is supposed to develop as their PG, I think it will take a major adjustment on his part especially to work Doncics game in to what he brings to the table.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Androslav on June 11, 2018, 02:31:13 PM
Not a Surprise.
When was the last time that the best prospect in the draft didn't choose to go pro?
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 11, 2018, 03:03:23 PM
I could see him dropping to 4-5.

Ayton has to go 1. After that, it could be one a very unpredictable draft with so many potential stars.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 11, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
Agreed. I feel like SAC will just draft him regardless and either force another team to trade assets, or they just keep him.

I love the scenario of SAC drafting Doncic because I see the team chemistry getting a major first-year shock with such a ball-dominant player, and just making adjustments to that with a bunch of young and/or mediocre players, should keep the Kings as a bottom 5 team when the ping pong balls get drawn next spring and we get to likely keep their pick.
From what I've seen of Doncic I wouldn't classify him as ball dominant.

Hmmmm....I mean I don't have his international stats, but he essentially plays as a smaller point-forward. Brings the ball up frequently, drive and dish game....not a huge ISO ball type of player, but if you insert him in to a starting lineup next to De'aaron Fox, who is supposed to develop as their PG, I think it will take a major adjustment on his part especially to work Doncics game in to what he brings to the table.
To me a ball dominant player is one who has to have the ball in his hands to be effective.  That's not Doncic from what I've seen.  As for starting next to Fox, I think it would help Fox to have a secondary ball handler.  Forcing young PGs to carry all the load is a good way to rack up a lot of losses. 
Title: Luka Doncic
Post by: Hawkeye199 on June 12, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Luka Doncic is the reigning MVP of the Euroleague at 19 years old. The ringer, as well as Celtics blog, believe he should be the number 1 pick.
Here are some articles on his potential

https://www.theringer.com/2017/7/20/16077958/nba-draft-luka-doncic-real-madrid-f534e7428bf6

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367118/luka-doncic-euroleague-final-four


Ainge loves the oversea's picks and has the stability within the franchise and assets to take a risk.

I am asking if you think it is a possibility Ainge trades up for him. If Ainge thinks he is a superstar then why not?

You would have  the same starting lineup of
Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
 With Doncic as your 6th man off the bench.
This helps us contend now while still building long term.

You get your young new big 3 of Brown, Doncic, and Tatum

Doncic can handle when Kyrie is on the bench.
It keeps us under the cap as it saves money instead of signing smart.
It also gives the Celtics a backup ball handler if Kyrie is seriously considering leaving. ( I don't think he is but better safe than sorry)


I'm not saying this is what the Celtics should do but perhaps examine this as a possible path.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 11:58:13 AM
I love me some Luka Doncic, but there is a year-long running thread stickied at the top of the draft board about him.  I don’t think we need another thread — it’s not like he’s LeBron.   ;)
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 02:15:52 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 02:27:23 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Terry could take all the shots he wants and be the man. They probably give him a Max contract next year.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: JBcat on June 12, 2018, 02:43:18 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

That’s really putting all our eggs (good picks) in 1 basket.  With a trade like this we better hope Doncic is a perennial all star.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

That’s really putting all our eggs (good picks) in 1 basket.  With a trade like this we better hope Doncic is a perennial all star.

He looks like the perfect space and pace player. If Evan Turner can look good in Brad's system this kid is going to be an all star in it.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 12, 2018, 02:49:59 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I don't see Rozier as a major piece for a lot of teams looking to trade a top 5 pick.

That being said, I can see why SAC wants to trade out of #2. I think they need to hit on a "safe" top pick. If Ayton is gone, I'd almost rather pick Jaren Jackson or one of the Bridges and acquire another valuable pick/player over Doncic.

I'm still not convinced about Doncic. People were telling me last year that Lonzo Ball was an amazing/can't miss playmaker, but I didn't really see it in the UCLA games I've watched. I'm sure Magic wishes he had the safer player in Jayson Tatum right now.

I've seen Doncic highlights but I haven't seen anything crazy athletic. He's clearly skilled, but I'm missing the "wow" part of his game. Maybe he is the safe player, just like Jayson Tatum. I'm just not convinced as of now.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: slamtheking on June 12, 2018, 02:55:34 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

That’s really putting all our eggs (good picks) in 1 basket.  With a trade like this we better hope Doncic is a perennial all star.
with a trade like that, are we certain Danny is gunning for Doncic?  seems like the closest to a can't miss in the draft but we're already pretty loaded at the wing position.  would he be looking at a big to fill where we're thin on the roster? 
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: JBcat on June 12, 2018, 04:39:11 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

That’s really putting all our eggs (good picks) in 1 basket.  With a trade like this we better hope Doncic is a perennial all star.
with a trade like that, are we certain Danny is gunning for Doncic?  seems like the closest to a can't miss in the draft but we're already pretty loaded at the wing position.  would he be looking at a big to fill where we're thin on the roster?

I’m not sure what to think.  The Kings and Grizzlies picks separately by themselves could turn out to be just as good a pick/talent we find in the draft.  It seems like an oversell. 
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 12, 2018, 04:42:59 PM
Quote
I'm still not convinced about Doncic. People were telling me last year that Lonzo Ball was an amazing/can't miss playmaker, but I didn't really see it in the UCLA games I've watched. I'm sure Magic wishes he had the safer player in Jayson Tatum right now.

I would take everything with a grain of caution regarding the draft and that is true of most blogs or bloggers.   Are any of us pro scouts that just happen to post here?   Fact of the matter is scouts get it wrong quite a bit.   We all fall in love with guys and have irrational exuberance about our guys.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Birdman on June 12, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
They said Darko Millicic would be a "cant miss player"..for every Dirk Nowitzki, u have 10 Darko..so i pass on these overseas guys
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2018, 05:13:55 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 05:18:17 PM
They said Darko Millicic would be a "cant miss player"..for every Dirk Nowitzki, u have 10 Darko..so i pass on these overseas guys

I don't recall anyone saying Darko was can't miss. Did they? Was he even a top ten prospect in that draft?
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 05:20:03 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?

Because I like Terry Rozier and hate the Kings.  There are only a few players I despise so much that I would wish them the Kings.  I would do this trade if we replaced Sacramento with Phoenix and moved up to #1 for Doncic.  Just don’t want Terry (or Luka) to go to Sacramento.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 05:38:03 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?

Because I like Terry Rozier and hate the Kings.  There are only a few players I despise so much that I would wish them the Kings.  I would do this trade if we replaced Sacramento with Phoenix and moved up to #1 for Doncic.  Just don’t want Terry (or Luka) to go to Sacramento.

I like Rozier and hate the Kings as well but if Angie thinks that Doncic is a generational talent, which is definitely debatable,  then he would make that trade.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 12, 2018, 05:41:19 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?

Because I like Terry Rozier and hate the Kings.  There are only a few players I despise so much that I would wish them the Kings.  I would do this trade if we replaced Sacramento with Phoenix and moved up to #1 for Doncic.  Just don’t want Terry (or Luka) to go to Sacramento.

I like Rozier and hate the Kings as well but if Angie thinks that Doncic is a generational talent, which is definitely debatable,  then he would make that trade.

Danny would send Austin to Sacramento in a trade, this is true.

(And ultimately I’d make the trade too — just trying to have some levity that apparently got taken seriously).
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2018, 06:02:34 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?

Because I like Terry Rozier and hate the Kings.  There are only a few players I despise so much that I would wish them the Kings.  I would do this trade if we replaced Sacramento with Phoenix and moved up to #1 for Doncic.  Just don’t want Terry (or Luka) to go to Sacramento.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like Terry Rozier too much to wish the Sacramento Kings on him.

Wait, hold on - I thought you said that Doncic had Hall of Fame potential, so why, then, would you not be willing to move Rozier, etc., for the guy?

Because I like Terry Rozier and hate the Kings.  There are only a few players I despise so much that I would wish them the Kings.  I would do this trade if we replaced Sacramento with Phoenix and moved up to #1 for Doncic.  Just don’t want Terry (or Luka) to go to Sacramento.

I like Rozier and hate the Kings as well but if Angie thinks that Doncic is a generational talent, which is definitely debatable,  then he would make that trade.

Danny would send Austin to Sacramento in a trade, this is true.

(And ultimately I’d make the trade too — just trying to have some levity that apparently got taken seriously).


It wouldn't take much to get Austin, late 1st? ;D
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 12, 2018, 07:56:33 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.
Memphis does this, why?
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: Monkhouse on June 12, 2018, 08:00:08 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.
Memphis does this, why?

Yeah Memphis clearly wants someone that can help push their playoff chances with Conley/Gasol, before it ends. Or get as much as assets/Allstar. Kings/Grizz/Clippers are a treasure trove of assets, but they need to figure out what their game plan is.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: liam on June 12, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.
Memphis does this, why?

Yeah Memphis clearly wants someone that can help push their playoff chances with Conley/Gasol, before it ends. Or get as much as assets/Allstar. Kings/Grizz/Clippers are a treasure trove of assets, but they need to figure out what their game plan is.

Even a healthy Grizzles team barely makes the playoffs. They may not want too, but it's time for them to rebuild. They aren't even going to be able to resign Tyreke Evans.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIeYWYWAbbk
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: boscel33 on June 20, 2018, 11:30:10 AM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on June 20, 2018, 11:34:48 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors



Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

Clearly Doncic.  If Ainge wants Bamba, he can just trade directly with Memphis at #4 and keep Terry Rozier (according to this trade).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: wiley on June 20, 2018, 11:49:15 AM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year. 
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Donoghus on June 20, 2018, 11:50:01 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on June 20, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....
First Bagley signs with Puma, then he comes out as a fan of Sacramento? Who is this guy?!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Donoghus on June 20, 2018, 11:53:44 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....
First Bagley signs with Puma, then he comes out as a fan of Sacramento? Who is this guy?!

Ha! Certainly an interesting cat, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 11:57:09 AM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....
First Bagley signs with Puma, then he comes out as a fan of Sacramento? Who is this guy?!

Ha! Certainly an interesting cat, that's for sure.

Puns are lurking everywhere... 😸
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: wiley on June 20, 2018, 12:04:12 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 12:08:34 PM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....
First Bagley signs with Puma, then he comes out as a fan of Sacramento? Who is this guy?!

Ha! Certainly an interesting cat, that's for sure.

Puns are lurking everywhere... 😸

I guess you could say the cats out the bag?  :-X :-\
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 12:09:48 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.

If the Kings have the worst record, 2-5 is 86%.  I think the Kings will be bad, but worst overall is far from guaranteed.  If they’re the 3rd-worst, for example, 2-5 is 53%
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: JBcat on June 20, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.

If the Kings have the worst record, 2-5 is 86%.  I think the Kings will be bad, but worst overall is far from guaranteed.  If they’re the 3rd-worst, for example, 2-5 is 53%

Can we put more protections already on a protected pick?  Lol For example we trade the Kings pick, but add 2-5 protections for us, and if it falls in that range the receiving team gets something else.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.

If the Kings have the worst record, 2-5 is 86%.  I think the Kings will be bad, but worst overall is far from guaranteed.  If they’re the 3rd-worst, for example, 2-5 is 53%

Can we put more protections already on a protected pick?  Lol For example we trade the Kings pick, but add 2-5 protections for us, and if it falls in that range the receiving team gets something else.

No, we can only put protections on unprotected picks that we acquire.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: JBcat on June 20, 2018, 12:43:58 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.

If the Kings have the worst record, 2-5 is 86%.  I think the Kings will be bad, but worst overall is far from guaranteed.  If they’re the 3rd-worst, for example, 2-5 is 53%

Can we put more protections already on a protected pick?  Lol For example we trade the Kings pick, but add 2-5 protections for us, and if it falls in that range the receiving team gets something else.

No, we can only put protections on unprotected picks that we acquire.

Thanks.  It was a neat idea while it lasted.
Title: Re: Doncic officially declaring for 2018 Draft
Post by: wiley on June 20, 2018, 12:53:21 PM
Draft trade idea from the ringer:

"A three-way trade with Boston and Memphis
Celtics receive: no. 2 pick
Grizzlies receive: no. 27 pick, 2019 Clippers pick (lottery protected), 2019 Kings pick (top-1 protected), 2019 Grizzlies pick
Kings receive: no. 4 pick, Terry Rozier"

I love this trade.

I like it as well, but then does Danny take Doncic or the coveted big in Bamba??

My two favorite players at the top are Bamba and Doncic....But there are mocks with Bamba as far down as 9, and mocks with Doncic as low as 5, though most have him between 2 and 4.

So, I think the Celtics give up too much in this trade.  Mainly due to the Sac. pick, which I"m counting on being between 2 and 4 next year.

Even if the Kings have the absolute worst record next year, there’s a 48% chance that pick winds up at #5 and only a 38% chance it winds up 2-4 (and, in this scenario, a 14% chance it winds up in Philly).  You really shouldn’t count on it being in the 2-4 range.

I'm okay with 2-5...
what is the percentage on 2-5?  I don't know how to combine the other percentages you gave...thanks and TP.

If the Kings have the worst record, 2-5 is 86%.  I think the Kings will be bad, but worst overall is far from guaranteed.  If they’re the 3rd-worst, for example, 2-5 is 53%

Can we put more protections already on a protected pick?  Lol For example we trade the Kings pick, but add 2-5 protections for us, and if it falls in that range the receiving team gets something else.

No, we can only put protections on unprotected picks that we acquire.

Thanks.  It was a neat idea while it lasted.

I had a question in a similar vein...but not benefitting the Celtics...to make the Sac pick more desirable.  If the Sac pick lands at one and we get Philly's pick instead, can the team we traded the Sac pick to be granted the Memphis pick instead?  (instead of having to take the lowly Philly pick)
I'm going to guess yes.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Hawks will draft Doncic per rumors

If he falls to 3 sure.

Most reports now are indicating that Ayton is going 1 & Bagley 2 so....

I dont follow the reports, nor do I put much stock in them. But if he falls, Hawks drafting him is a no brainer IMO. I've been to Hawks fans forums and they really like the idea.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 07:28:18 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/298733494e371184c6de3a2048f8b2e0.png)

 IG link  (https://www.instagram.com/p/BkiapKcli-g/?utm_source=ig_embed)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on July 05, 2018, 11:10:32 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/298733494e371184c6de3a2048f8b2e0.png)

 IG link  (https://www.instagram.com/p/BkiapKcli-g/?utm_source=ig_embed)

So basically this is the Mavericks best attempt at re-creating White Men Can't Jump?  :angel: ;D

Going to be fun watching these two play. DSJ needed to be surrounded next to another scorer. Barnes is too iso happy, needs someone that can spot up, and make smart decisions against the defense.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 06, 2018, 11:51:41 AM
Doncic shooting lights out

https://streamable.com/t6hvd

OP https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wj8o8/luka_donic_shooting_absolutely_lights_out_during/
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 07, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/78e736689eadf3d84b19e7a81d1bf081.png)

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1015420137703292928
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 05, 2018, 05:53:48 PM
Title calls them anklebreakers which is slightly misleading, still fun to watch

https://youtu.be/Y6jOX842KAU
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on August 05, 2018, 05:59:38 PM
the man really should be a celtic. well, we will just have to wait until his rookie contract is up, then danny can scoop him up.  ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Sophomore on August 05, 2018, 06:19:23 PM
Title calls them anklebreakers which is slightly misleading, still fun to watch

https://youtu.be/Y6jOX842KAU

Will be very interesting to watch the Cs defend him. I don't expect him to break ankles against Smart, Brown, or Hayward, but we'll find out.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 22, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
none of the 36 surveyed nba rookies picked Doncic for best career lol

Quote
Which rookie will have the best career?
1. Wendell Carter Jr., Chicago -- 13%

2. Kevin Knox, New York -- 10%
    Jerome Robinson, LA Clippers -- 10%

3. DeAndre Ayton, Phoenix -- 7%
    Mohamed Bamba, Orlando -- 7%
    Mikal Bridges, Phoenix -- 7%
    Collin Sexton, Cleveland -- 7%
    Lonnie Walker IV, San Antonio -- 7%

Others receiving votes: Marvin Bagley III, Sacramento; Miles Bridges, Charlotte; Troy Brown Jr., Washington; Hamidou Diallo, Oklahoma City; Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, LA Clippers; Devonte' Graham, Charlotte; Jaren Jackson Jr., Memphis; Michael Porter Jr., Denver; Trae Young, Atlanta

http://www.nba.com/2018-19-nba-rookie-survey
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on August 22, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
none of the 36 surveyed nba rookies picked Doncic for best career lol

Quote
Which rookie will have the best career?
1. Wendell Carter Jr., Chicago -- 13%

2. Kevin Knox, New York -- 10%
    Jerome Robinson, LA Clippers -- 10%

3. DeAndre Ayton, Phoenix -- 7%
    Mohamed Bamba, Orlando -- 7%
    Mikal Bridges, Phoenix -- 7%
    Collin Sexton, Cleveland -- 7%
    Lonnie Walker IV, San Antonio -- 7%

Others receiving votes: Marvin Bagley III, Sacramento; Miles Bridges, Charlotte; Troy Brown Jr., Washington; Hamidou Diallo, Oklahoma City; Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, LA Clippers; Devonte' Graham, Charlotte; Jaren Jackson Jr., Memphis; Michael Porter Jr., Denver; Trae Young, Atlanta

http://www.nba.com/2018-19-nba-rookie-survey
Well of course they wouldn't vote for him. He is a Euro product that none of them have ever seen or played against.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 22, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
Well of course they wouldn't vote for him. He is a Euro product that none of them have ever seen or played against.

That didn't prevent him from receiving votes in other categories including ROTY and best playmaker.

Quote
Who will be the 2018-19 Kia Rookie of the Year?

1. DeAndre Ayton, Phoenix -- 18%
    Collin Sexton, Cleveland -- 18%

3. Luka Doncic, Dallas -- 9%
    Kevin Knox, New York -- 9%

5. Mohamed Bamba, Orlando -- 6%
    Devonte' Graham, Charlotte -- 6%
    Michael Porter Jr., Denver -- 6%
    Trae Young, Atlanta -- 6%

Quote
Which rookie is the best playmaker?

1. Trae Young, Atlanta -- 35%

2. Jalen Brunson, Dallas -- 15%

3. Luka Doncic, Dallas -- 9%
    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- 9%
    Collin Sexton, Cleveland -- 9%

6. Troy Brown Jr., Washington -- 6%
    Aaron Holiday, Indiana -- 6%

http://www.nba.com/2018-19-nba-rookie-survey
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: konkmv on August 22, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
Where is robert Williams?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on August 22, 2018, 07:22:15 PM
Where is robert Williams?

Probably looking for his wallet.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 26, 2018, 09:45:42 AM
Sarunas Jasikevicius is Doncic Aware:

>"Dražen  [Petrovic] and Luka can be compared in some way. Luka is taller, Drazen, however, was a more prominent shooter: they are from different eras, but they both have similar qualities and are similarly talented. Both can reach the basket, shoot  from distance, create. [...]

>"I think Luka has everything he needs to become a great player. There is no doubt, but there were many players who had everything but  failed. What separates him from the rest, it is that he reads the game abnormally well for his age. He sees things that cannot be learned or that a 30-year veteran cannot see, but with him everything is natural, " Jasikevicius says that there is no comparison between what Luka can and what his peers can do at this year's draft.

>"It is impossible for anyone else to do the same things in the Euroleague that Luka did. Of course, he was in a good situation because he played at this level for three or four years, that's why it was not new to him, he was accustomed to it, but there is no way for these guys to do what he did. That's not possible. I played in college, in the Euroleague, practically everywhere, and I know that this Euroleague is really  great competition. It's really demanding and that's why when a young guy in such a big club does it, it's amazing. It's not a small team to have  the ball all the time[...]. His numbers are good,he played in the system, in an extremely strong team and led them to victory. These boys from college have no idea what they are talking about at this point and what Luka can do."

[original text in Slovenian, had to use google and imagination]

https://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/jasikevicius-fantje-iz-kolidza-nimajo-pojma-kaj-zmore-doncic/464089 (https://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/jasikevicius-fantje-iz-kolidza-nimajo-pojma-kaj-zmore-doncic/464089)

edit: language
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on August 26, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
not just not aware ....

thats all
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 20, 2019, 02:01:36 AM
It's easy for Dončić to score in the NBA, he wouldn't be able to do it in ancient Persia.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on February 20, 2019, 05:12:23 AM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).

I'm glad this thread was revived to see some of the interesting takes.

It feels good to be so right ;D
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on February 20, 2019, 05:14:50 AM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).

I'm glad this thread was revived to see some of the interesting takes.

It feels good to be so right ;D
One of those rare "love at first sight" players.
I am happy to see him entertaining everyone and doing so well.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on February 20, 2019, 05:31:52 AM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).

I'm glad this thread was revived to see some of the interesting takes.

It feels good to be so right ;D
One of those rare "love at first sight" players.
I am happy to see him entertaining everyone and doing so well.
Truly. As soon as I saw him play when he was 16-17 I knew he was going to be something special. He simply has "it"
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: saltlover on March 08, 2019, 09:47:55 PM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).

I'm glad this thread was revived to see some of the interesting takes.

It feels good to be so right ;D

Yes, but it would have felt even better if he were a Celtic.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on March 08, 2019, 11:44:27 PM
Wasn't Rubio hyped alot too?
How does he do on shooting, rebounding, and defense?

Marcus Smart woulda stolen that ball and Bradley woulda never let him get that far
He's just a swiss army knife, solid at everything. I guess he'll be a rich man's Gallinari who could also handle the ball but I really don't think he'll be anything close to what people are hyping him up to be like Penny Hardaway (that's way off base)
::) guys are comparing him to Penny Hardaway...a guy on the level of the what if guys (he would've been in the conversation for GOAT SGs if he wasn't plagued by injuries) to a guy who's contributing normal stats in Europe at a very young age (very impressive by itself but are we really comparing the two? I think it's an insult to Anfernee Hardaway, who made an all nba team in his rookie season while Doncic most likely wouldn't even be in the conversation for a spot).

I'm glad this thread was revived to see some of the interesting takes.

It feels good to be so right ;D
One of those rare "love at first sight" players.
I am happy to see him entertaining everyone and doing so well.
Truly. As soon as I saw him play when he was 16-17 I knew he was going to be something special. He simply has "it"
Haha yeah the Gallinari comparison now looks silly, I'll take that L.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on March 13, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
Doncic apparently said in interview he isn’t quite 100% (left knee strain) but wants to play every game anyways  :o or something along those lines

Title: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: CelticsElite on November 25, 2019, 03:48:20 AM
Vlade Divac passed up on drafting Luka Doncic in the 2018 draft partly because he didn't think highly of Doncic's father, according to Tim MacMahon of ESPN.

MacMahon relayed the story in a recent episode of Adrian Wojnarowski's podcast discussing the evolution of Doncic.

The discussion turned to how the Kings and Suns both passed up the opportunity to draft Doncic despite having people close to the player at the time. MacMahon said that Divac's closeness with Doncic's dad went against the player.

“My understanding is that [Divac] being so close to Luka and knowing his dad so well factored into their decision. Basically, he didn’t think a whole lot of Luka’s dad, and the whole like father like son … well … no, this is a different dude. You messed that one up, Vlade," said MacMahon.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/11/24/rumor-kings-passed-on-luka-doncic-in-draft-because-vlade-divac-doesnt-like-docics-dad/
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: ederson on November 25, 2019, 03:58:27 AM
Judging a player's ability wrong is something that can happen. It's not easy to evaluate and predict the development of a 19 year old.

But this is beyond stupid!
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: Jvalin on November 25, 2019, 04:29:35 AM
The baffling Kings took Bagley over Luka
Halleluka, hallelu-u-u-u-ka! 8)

The Kings are a joke of a franchise. Vlade also drafted Fox because foxes are smart and he thought he was an actual fox. :P

Btw, any news on the Game of Zones front? Is it gonna continue now that the Game of Thrones is over? I loved that show!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 25, 2019, 05:02:30 AM
Even though Dončić is averaging 30-10-10, numbers often don't tell the whole story.
Do you think he will eventually adjust to the NBA game?
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 25, 2019, 05:24:37 AM
In credit to Vlade - Fox is the Real Deal...dude even reportedly has KG as one of his heroes.

SAC is a bit more competitive this season, so far.

BUT - Vlade STILL gets my Red Fox treatment on THIS one if its true.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ea345c96e7c2dcfb213d706af673d279/tenor.gif?itemid=15277395)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 25, 2019, 05:26:22 AM
Even though Dončić is averaging 30-10-10, numbers often don't tell the whole story.
Do you think he will eventually adjust to the NBA game?

If Luka Doncic adjusts ANY FURTHER to the NBA game folks are going to start naming their first borns after him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 25, 2019, 05:39:54 AM
He gets ridiculous "star calls" already and this inflates his numbers somewhat.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 25, 2019, 05:53:54 AM
Even though Dončić is averaging 30-10-10, numbers often don't tell the whole story.
Do you think he will eventually adjust to the NBA game?

If Luka Doncic adjusts ANY FURTHER to the NBA game folks are going to start naming their firstborns after him.
:) They might even start naming nuclear powerplants after him.

@Celtics4ever
He does get the calls, but truth be told guys just can't stop him.
Best players of today (Giannis, Harden, LBJ...) are always the hardest to officiate.
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: Androslav on November 25, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
Suns were even dumber.
Kings at least had their ballhandler of the future (Fox).
Suns "had" no one.
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: Jvalin on November 25, 2019, 07:15:59 AM
In credit to Vlade - Fox is the Real Deal...dude even reportedly has KG as one of his heroes.

SAC is a bit more competitive this season, so far.

BUT - Vlade STILL gets my Red Fox treatment on THIS one if its true.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ea345c96e7c2dcfb213d706af673d279/tenor.gif?itemid=15277395)
I guess it depends on what you mean when you say he's ''the Real Deal''. I mean, he's obviously a talented player, but he's nothing special.

I see Fox as a poor man's John Wall (prior to the injury). Wall was super explosive (just like Fox), but he's a bit taller and he's a better court general as well. They are both average shooters.

At the end of the day, neither Fox nor Wall has what it takes to be the go-to guy in a championship team.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 25, 2019, 07:27:26 AM
Even though Dončić is averaging 30-10-10, numbers often don't tell the whole story.
Do you think he will eventually adjust to the NBA game?

If Luka Doncic adjusts ANY FURTHER to the NBA game folks are going to start naming their firstborns after him.
:) They might even start naming nuclear powerplants after him.

@Celtics4ever
He does get the calls, but truth be told guys just can't stop him.
Best players of today (Giannis, Harden, LBJ...) are always the hardest to officiate.

They CAN'T stop him...and I disagree with the officiating - Luka is just "THAT" good...I've watched too many of his games so far.

I puff my chest out as a Celtics Fan because we've actually BEATEN DAL - but even THEN Luka had a good game against us.

Credit Marcus Smart for taking Kristaps completely out of his game.

The scary thing with Luka is that he is actually TRYING on defense, now...he WILL get better on this end....he will continue to get stronger with NBA conditioning.....

Will he get 3x 2nd Team all-defense (Larry Bird)? Don't know...but I won't rule it out for him.

This IS Luka's Time...he is catching LeBron James, Durant - at the END of their careers - but yet he will STILL be able to COMPETE against them right NOW to gauge his growth.

YES - I "AM" A Luka Fan.

The crazy thing is that I am ALSO happy for Rick Carlysle - our FORMER Celtic is - I am sure - telling him about a Hick from French Lick that he played with..........
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Redz on November 25, 2019, 07:31:03 AM
I'm thinking we change the site name to "Luka Strong".  I mean, he is pretty dreamy and all.
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 25, 2019, 07:32:07 AM
In credit to Vlade - Fox is the Real Deal...dude even reportedly has KG as one of his heroes.

SAC is a bit more competitive this season, so far.

BUT - Vlade STILL gets my Red Fox treatment on THIS one if its true.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/ea345c96e7c2dcfb213d706af673d279/tenor.gif?itemid=15277395)
I guess it depends on what you mean when you say he's ''the Real Deal''. I mean, he's obviously a talented player, but he's nothing special.

I see Fox as a poor man's John Wall (prior to the injury). Wall was super explosive (just like Fox), but he's a bit taller and he's a better court general as well. They are both average shooters.

At the end of the day, neither Fox nor Wall has what it takes to be the go-to guy in a championship team.

Oh, don't get me wrong - when I say Fox is the Real Deal, that means Luka is the REAL DEAL.

Luka is shaping up to be a Generational Talent...one of those Unicorns.
Title: Re: Kings passed on drafting Doncic because Divac hated Lukas dad
Post by: gpap on November 25, 2019, 08:03:00 AM
The baffling Kings took Bagley over Luka
Halleluka, hallelu-u-u-u-ka! 8)

The Kings are a joke of a franchise. Vlade also drafted Fox because foxes are smart and he thought he was an actual fox. :P

Btw, any news on the Game of Zones front? Is it gonna continue now that the Game of Thrones is over? I loved that show!

If fairness, I thought Bagley was going to be something special. He still could, but it seems he's been injured alot.

Deandre Ayton hasn't made much of an impact on Phoenix (surprisingly.)

Yeah, Luka is unreal.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: CptZoogs on November 25, 2019, 09:21:36 AM
TP to the OP and all others that were out in front of this early.  The "upside" arguments that have been made while comparing him to other young players seem really silly.  Even if this is his "peak", it's a hall of fame peak.  Kicking the dead horse yet again, why oh why couldn't he have been 1 year older (so we could get him in 2017).
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 25, 2019, 06:02:48 PM
I would be Curious to see Danny’s draft board that year. Was Luka his top ranked player? I wonder.

He is amazing though and over the past two decades, somehow Cuban lands the top 2 international players. Definitely fortunate in more ways then one. He will be good for a few titles at least.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 25, 2019, 06:07:02 PM
I would be Curious to see Danny’s draft board that year. Was Luka his top ranked player? I wonder.

He is amazing though and over the past two decades, somehow Cuban lands the top 2 international players. Definitely fortunate in more ways then one. He will be good for a few titles at least.

Let's set a 15 year reminder to come back to this post. I don't think the Mavs win more than 1 title with Doncic.  ;D :D
Title: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: Boss_D on November 27, 2019, 05:09:49 PM
I'm just wondering, what if DA traded some of his assets before the 2018 NBA Draft to get Doncic. How good are they now with Doncic around, trading some combinations of the players that was gone from the 2018-19 roster like, Kyrie Irving, Al Horford, Aaron Baynes, Terry Rozier, Marcus Morris, Yabu plus draft pick/s to teams like Kings and Hawks who passed up on drafting Luka.

i can only imagine the core of, Doncic, Smart, Brown, Hayward and Tatum. Maybe they can still get Kemba since he is set to become UFA that time.

 
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: liam on November 27, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
I was good with Danny shipping out Tatum and Brown, I love both players, for Doncic in that Draft. I thought Doncic was like a LeBron once a generation type player. He was 17 and just dominating the Euro-League. You trade anything you can to get a player like Doncic and fill in the Blanks later. What did he end up going 5th or something or traded from 3rd to 5th?
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: gpap on November 27, 2019, 05:28:16 PM
There would've been no reason to.

Going into the 18/19 season, we had a very strong roster. Obviously, it didn't pan out, but this hypothetical is just kinda far fetched.

You can start asking any question in the world with a "what if" in front of it.

The one that will always get me is not drafting Giannis, because that could've been very realistic.

But that's also 6 years ago, so it's a moot point.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: gpap on November 27, 2019, 05:33:22 PM
I was good with Danny shipping out Tatum and Brown, I love both players, for Doncic in that Draft. I thought Doncic was like a LeBron once a generation type player. He was 17 and just dominating the Euro-League. You trade anything you can to get a player like Doncic and fill in the Blanks later. What did he end up going 5th or something or traded from 3rd to 5th?

Which means even if Danny didn't make the Kyrie trade, we still would've ended up with the 8th pick, which would NOT have been enough to help us trade up to get Doncic.

And regardless of what happened last year, I still back Danny in making the Kyrie/Isaiah trade 100%
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: Boss_D on November 27, 2019, 05:34:27 PM
He ended up 3rd to Atlanta, but traded to Mavs for Trae Young and the Mavs 2019 first round pick which ended up 10th.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 27, 2019, 05:34:49 PM
As much as I want my street named Luka Doncic Road I am happy with our current team.

It is a joy to watch Boston play this year.

I'd rather have Doncic pester LeBron and Co. out west. LeBron has a minefield with DAL, LAC, HOU and Utah....not to mention a rejuvenated PHX.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: Fierce1 on November 27, 2019, 05:40:25 PM
I was good with Danny shipping out Tatum and Brown, I love both players, for Doncic in that Draft. I thought Doncic was like a LeBron once a generation type player. He was 17 and just dominating the Euro-League. You trade anything you can to get a player like Doncic and fill in the Blanks later. What did he end up going 5th or something or traded from 3rd to 5th?

3rd to 5th.

Tatum and Brown for Doncic?

No way!

Tatum and Brown will each have rings before Doncic even comes close to making it to the finals.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: Fierce1 on November 27, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
I was good with Danny shipping out Tatum and Brown, I love both players, for Doncic in that Draft. I thought Doncic was like a LeBron once a generation type player. He was 17 and just dominating the Euro-League. You trade anything you can to get a player like Doncic and fill in the Blanks later. What did he end up going 5th or something or traded from 3rd to 5th?

Which means even if Danny didn't make the Kyrie trade, we still would've ended up with the 8th pick, which would NOT have been enough to help us trade up to get Doncic.

And regardless of what happened last year, I still back Danny in making the Kyrie/Isaiah trade 100%

True.

It was more of the #8 pick and damaged goods for Kyrie.

If Isaiah didn't get injured, I don't think Ainge would've traded him for Kyrie.
Ainge could've done the trade for Kyrie without including Isaiah.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: SparzWizard on November 27, 2019, 06:32:40 PM
Boston would be winning multiple titles with Luka Doncic, that's what would happen!
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: NKY fan on November 27, 2019, 06:48:04 PM
Have beat writers for the NBA looked into the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas in the summer of 2021?
I think Mavericks will have the space to do it
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: footey on November 27, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
Have beat writers for the NBA looked into the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas in the summer of 2021?
I think Mavericks will have the space to do it

I don’t think that would be a good fit.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: greenrunsdeep41 on November 27, 2019, 09:50:29 PM
Boston would be winning multiple titles with Luka Doncic, that's what would happen!

Why is Boston obsessed with Luca doncic? He will never play here, let it go.

We get it, you like white dudes.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: Fafnir on November 27, 2019, 10:04:25 PM
Boston would be winning multiple titles with Luka Doncic, that's what would happen!

Why is Boston obsessed with Luca doncic? He will never play here, let it go.

We get it, you like white dudes.
Well this thread started when we had a lottery pick in his draft.

Since then he's looking like a future MVP in his second year and is drawing comparisons to Larry Bird from Jackie Mac and Rick Carlisle. Who covered and played with Bird respectively.

I think its pretty natural for Celtics fans to appreciate him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on November 27, 2019, 10:35:30 PM
Have beat writers for the NBA looked into the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas in the summer of 2021?
I think Mavericks will have the space to do it

I don’t think that would be a good fit.
Why not? Porzingis can stretch the floor, and if Doncic is really the next Larry Bird he'd fit with Giannis perfectly :laugh:.

Seriously though, I think the fit would be a bit awkward since Doncic does not have Bird's off ball tendencies (the defining trait of Bird imo), but it'd work well enough due to the sheer amount of talent on that squad+Doncic can space the floor at least. It wouldn't be a perfect fit, but a fit like Oscar/Kareem is still championship worthy.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Fafnir on November 27, 2019, 10:53:16 PM
Have beat writers for the NBA looked into the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas in the summer of 2021?
I think Mavericks will have the space to do it

I don’t think that would be a good fit.
Why not? Porzingis can stretch the floor, and if Doncic is really the next Larry Bird he'd fit with Giannis perfectly :laugh:.

Seriously though, I think the fit would be a bit awkward since Doncic does not have Bird's off ball tendencies (the defining trait of Bird imo), but it'd work well enough due to the sheer amount of talent on that squad+Doncic can space the floor at least. It wouldn't be a perfect fit, but a fit like Oscar/Kareem is still championship worthy.
Luka Running the pick and roll with Giannis as the roll man is terrifying. He's making Dwight Powell look awesome, just think what Giannis would do.....
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on November 27, 2019, 10:54:57 PM
Have beat writers for the NBA looked into the possibility of Giannis going to Dallas in the summer of 2021?
I think Mavericks will have the space to do it

I don’t think that would be a good fit.
Why not? Porzingis can stretch the floor, and if Doncic is really the next Larry Bird he'd fit with Giannis perfectly :laugh:.

Seriously though, I think the fit would be a bit awkward since Doncic does not have Bird's off ball tendencies (the defining trait of Bird imo), but it'd work well enough due to the sheer amount of talent on that squad+Doncic can space the floor at least. It wouldn't be a perfect fit, but a fit like Oscar/Kareem is still championship worthy.
Luka Running the pick and roll with Giannis as the roll man is terrifying. He's making Dwight Powell look awesome, just think what Giannis would do.....
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Fafnir on November 27, 2019, 11:02:18 PM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: keevsnick on November 27, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.

Toronto is also lining things up to have max space that summer. Siakim and Giannis would also be a nice pairing. I wonder, is Luka/Giannis or Siakim/Giannis a better fit?
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on November 28, 2019, 12:45:26 AM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.
That role is perfect for a guy like Porzingis, he really doesn't offer much on the ball aside from iffy isolation scoring. He's a great 3 and D big.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 28, 2019, 01:08:28 AM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.
That role is perfect for a guy like Porzingis, he really doesn't offer much on the ball aside from iffy isolation scoring. He's a great 3 and D big.
Yeah, that could be a frightening trio. Luka as an efficient, less selfish Harden type averaging 28/8/8, Giannis averaging 25/12/5 and KP averaging around 16-18 would be really nasty. The star power alone would be devastating.

Not sure how good for the league it would be
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 28, 2019, 04:53:02 AM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.
That role is perfect for a guy like Porzingis, he really doesn't offer much on the ball aside from iffy isolation scoring. He's a great 3 and D big.
Yeah, that could be a frightening trio. Luka as an efficient, less selfish Harden type averaging 28/8/8, Giannis averaging 25/12/5 and KP averaging around 16-18 would be really nasty. The star power alone would be devastating.

Not sure how good for the league it would be
If that happens, it would probably mean that 3 Europeans (though KP is not as vital as the other 2) would be dominating the NBA for years.
I wonder how would American fans feel about that in the long run?
Please tell.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 28, 2019, 05:33:46 AM
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@Celtics4ever
He does get the calls, but truth be told guys just can't stop him.
Best players of today (Giannis, Harden, LBJ...) are always the hardest to officiate.

I never said he was  not great.   He is for sure.   But star calls cheapen the game, and the really good player simply do not need the subsidy that the FTs provide.  Luka does not need it.   The NBA needs to step away from these because it makes them look like the WWE at times.
Title: Re: What if Danny Ainge traded up in the 2018 NBA draft to get Doncic?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 28, 2019, 06:19:09 AM
Boston would be winning multiple titles with Luka Doncic, that's what would happen!

Why is Boston obsessed with Luca doncic? He will never play here, let it go.

We get it, you like white dudes.

I like White dudes, too - and I'm a 50 year old Black Man. Been a Celtics Fan since 1981 because of a Certain White Dude...

The GREAT thing about Larry was - to ME - his game started to transcend RACE the more I followed him...I started to realize - right around the early-mid 80s - that Larry was GREAT, period.

I honestly started to NOT see him as White even though it was strikingly obvious to me. Dude just made INCREDIBLE plays that NO ONE ELSE (outside of perhaps his close friend Magic) did.

He made EVERYONE - EVERYONE - around him better - just like Magic. Not many players in NBA history - even NOW - do that.

He made plays because he was simply GREAT - not because he was white. Magic made GREAT plays because HE was GREAT - not because HE was Black....

The Final Nail in the coffin - to ME - was this HISTORIC game Boston had in ATL in the 80s. We were playing our bitter rivals - Dominic and The Hawks. We CERTAINLY had history with Atlanta...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VlM1h5vwyY

...and that CONTINUED on with Larry's HISTORIC game right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALmL9AAy6Lo

Excuse my excitement but I'm just being real. Not drunk or anything. ;D

OH EM GEEEEEEEE look at the HAWKS BENCH LOOOOOOOOOOL.....when - in the history of the NBA - has an opponent's BENCH - on the ROAD, no less - started acting that that towards an opposing player?

That CROWD was cheering for BOS more than ATL.  This was mid 1980s. NOW we know why ATL STILL cheers for BOS even to THIS DAY LOOOOL.....

LeBron James - in his Greatness - has NEVER had that kind of effect on a game....and I "LOVE" LeBron......

Larry Bird was NOT white. Only dense folks think he was White. Dude transcended Race. I honestly believe that he and MAGIC were not even HUMAN.

Who to this DAY has done the CRAZY things on the court that THEY did? These two have even enjoyed SUCCESS OFF the court - with Larry as a GM/President and Magic's various successful business ventures.

Mars is missing 2 beings. I hope they NEVER come back to Earth to claim them.

With THAT being said Luka Doncic is my BINKY. He - indeed - has exhibited to ME some of the same Magic that Larry and Earvin gave us in the 80s. Maybe Mars has visited Earth AGAIN, recently...

Stay tuned :)
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: nickagneta on November 28, 2019, 07:24:57 AM
Okay, I think we have gone long enough with talking about a player solely based on the color of their skin. This is obviously, very much, against site rules. Please move on.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Somebody on November 28, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Oh yes I'm terrified of that combination, and Giannis has passing skills that would make him able to find high quality looks for teammates with his gravity as a roll man.
Yeah you'd run different pick and rolls with Giannis, use his ability to make a pass on the short roll much more than Powell who is much more a full speed running for the lob it everytime roll man.

Also we've seen that Giannis can be frustrated in the half court against elite defenses, having another creator of the level of Doncic would be amazing for him. Now it'd make it harder for both of them to get numbers or win MVPs, but do you want numbers or rings?

I think Porzingis would be the odd man out in this scenario, he'd be reduced to a Brook Lopez type role. I doubt he'd be happy with that but he could do it quite well.
That role is perfect for a guy like Porzingis, he really doesn't offer much on the ball aside from iffy isolation scoring. He's a great 3 and D big.
Yeah, that could be a frightening trio. Luka as an efficient, less selfish Harden type averaging 28/8/8, Giannis averaging 25/12/5 and KP averaging around 16-18 would be really nasty. The star power alone would be devastating.

Not sure how good for the league it would be
It'd be good for the league since our duo of Brown/Tatum can have a strong team to beat en route to future titles for the Celtics :laugh:
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Jvalin on December 07, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
I'm calling it now:

- Luka is gonna win MVP and/or most improved player this season.
- The Mavs are already a contending team (top 3 in the West imo). As things stand right now, they have the 2nd best record in the West at 16-6.
- Luka, aged 20, is already the best player in the world! :) I'm not talking about his future potential. If all I cared about was the 2019-2020 season, I'd still take him over anybody else including LeBron, Kawhi, Giannis, Harden, you name it.
- When all is said and done, he's gonna be considered a GOAT candidate.

Btw, the Mavs just demolished the Pels by 46 points (130-84). Luka didn't even play in the 4th quarter, yet he recorded 26 points, 9 assists and 6 rebs on 8/15 from the floor. He also tied Michael Jordan for the longest (18) streak of matches with at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists since the NBA/ABA merger in 1976.

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/12/07/luka-doncic-michael-jordan-20-5-5
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: Sophomore on December 07, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
His stats are crazy. The volume and efficiency are something else.

TS% 62
AST% 47
USG% 37
DReb% 26


Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: NKY fan on December 07, 2019, 05:59:59 PM
What a trade by Dallas to snatch Doncic ?? That might be a better trade (for the alleged trade winner) than the nets Celtics from 2013.

I wonder what Doncic stats would have been if he played in the early to late 90s with the hand checked rule.. he doesn’t seem bothered by physicality
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 07, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Luka is a Don...

I'm beginning to lack superlatives to describe him.

I will say this...while he reminds me of Larry Bird with his flair for the game his game IS in fact a bit different from Larry's....

I think his handles are better, for one.

He has excellent court vision BUT it is not YET on par with Bird or Magic...I do think it is on par with LeBron's though...or awfully close to it.

All this in his 2nd year of the NBA...with Porzingis still getting his legs under him.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 07, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
Take notes, Luka..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBdnA7cui0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cEYGS8rc3I

OH MY once Luka gets Porzingis back completely in game shape...maybe gets another weapon around him....oh boy.
Title: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: rollie mass on December 08, 2019, 06:49:08 AM
Rather than  to Lebron. They both have such all around games without otherworldly athleticism. Both blocky and not cut. I just see more resemblance to Birds game.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2019, 07:01:40 AM
I think they have some skills that are similar, but their playstyles are quite a bit different. But yeah his on ball skills do resemble Bird a bit (although imo Bird was more savvy with his fakes).
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: moiso on December 08, 2019, 07:53:22 AM
He is a little similar to both of them.  He does look Birdlike at times but he creates off the dribble a lot more than Larry did which is one reason that he gets compared to Lebron. 
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 08, 2019, 07:59:31 AM
If only there was a thread about Luka Doncic........
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 08, 2019, 08:21:32 AM
If only there was a thread about Luka Doncic........


I have 't seen one flying by have you ?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Jvalin on December 08, 2019, 08:22:54 AM
Why not both? Personally speaking, I see Luka as a Bird-LeBron hybrid.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: bopna on December 08, 2019, 08:49:28 AM
Yes.
He is that special. Its like saying if Bird was playing in this generation, then you get Luka.

Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 08, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
I think if you mixed Jokic and Doncic you have nice Larry Bird clone.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: mrceltics2013 on December 08, 2019, 09:17:24 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2019, 09:24:48 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
^this tbh. I think their playstyles are quite a bit different even though they have some skills that are similar.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Jvalin on December 08, 2019, 09:29:32 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
Nah, Luka is a point forward. Prior to last season, the Mavs were even thinking using him at the 4! Bird and LeBron are the best SFs of all time. It's only logical for Luka to be compared to those guys.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2019, 09:42:07 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
Nah, Luka is a point forward. Prior to last season, the Mavs were even thinking using him at the 4! Bird and LeBron are the best SFs of all time. It's only logical for Luka to be compared to those guys.
Thinking is different from actually doing so (he's playing in the guard spots right now!). He's more of a big guard in the vein of Magic than a combo forward like Bird and LeBron.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Amonkey on December 08, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
I think if you mixed Jokic and Doncic you have nice Larry Bird clone.

Watching Jokic play, he kind of reminded me of Shaq in terms of being physical to get under the basket and those old school low post moves like the mini hook shots. Obviously there are a lot of other aspects that are different but that was the player that came to mind.

Luka is not as physical as Lebron so I think that comparison goes out. I think Luka is a better shooter and crafty while Lebron could physically power people for points. At this point, I think it’s hard to see where he goes since he’s such a unique player.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Jvalin on December 08, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
Nah, Luka is a point forward. Prior to last season, the Mavs were even thinking using him at the 4! Bird and LeBron are the best SFs of all time. It's only logical for Luka to be compared to those guys.
Thinking is different from actually doing so (he's playing in the guard spots right now!). He's more of a big guard in the vein of Magic than a combo forward like Bird and LeBron.
I would argue he's a PG on offense and a SF on defense. He isn't quick enough to stay in front of guards on the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2019, 10:39:50 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
Nah, Luka is a point forward. Prior to last season, the Mavs were even thinking using him at the 4! Bird and LeBron are the best SFs of all time. It's only logical for Luka to be compared to those guys.
Thinking is different from actually doing so (he's playing in the guard spots right now!). He's more of a big guard in the vein of Magic than a combo forward like Bird and LeBron.
I would argue he's a PG on offense and a SF on defense. He isn't quick enough to stay in front of guards on the defensive side of the ball.
Which was what Magic did on defence, it didn't stop him from being classified as a point guard. Doncic functions like a lead guard more than an elite wing: he runs an offence by being a ball-dominant quarterback who puts up video game numbers (in both box and non-box metrics, a feather in his cap) and hides on the weakest perimeter player on the opposing team on defence. He's a guard to me, not a point forward.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 08, 2019, 11:34:15 AM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
^this tbh. I think their playstyles are quite a bit different even though they have some skills that are similar.

That would be ME - I've made such comparisons to Luka before. I apologize if it's made anyone uncomfortable.

When I was a young 12 year old growing up in inner city Richmond Va in 1981 I became a Boston Celtic fan because of a dude that looked a bit different from many of his fellow players....

I took some flack because of this...MANY of my peers loved LAL....they'd say "Man why do you like BOS?" I'd reply "Larry Bird" and they'd then nod their heads approvingly.

Not only did he LOOK different...dude PLAYED differently. His GAME was unlike ANY OTHER, outside of Magic Johnson.

Boy some of these young bucks growing up nowadays only have NBA 2k on XBOX or youtube to see Larry but MAN I watched this man in REAL TIME doing some of the CRAZY stuff he did......Larry (and Magic) did CRAZY stuff in their games ALL THE TIME.............

Fast Forward to NOW? Luka Doncic reminds me SO MUCH of Larry Bird as far as his flair..his game play. His passes aren't as flashy (YET) but he isn't that far off.

I think Luka's FLOOR defensively can be Larry's....I can see him getting AT LEAST some 2nd team defensive awards...he appears THAT ACTIVE on the defensive end, to me at least.

Luka isn't even technically White - only in America, unfortunately - do we place such labels. Dude is Slovenian I thought.
Title: Re: Luka Doncic Awareness Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 08, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
If Larry Bird or Magic Johnson played the game TODAY they'd break the internet...these dudes would be going viral almost daily.
Title: Re: Could Doncic be compared to Bird
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
I think people throw around Bird a lot in these compassions due to his skin complexion and I don’t agree with it.
^this tbh. I think their playstyles are quite a bit different even though they have some skills that are similar.

That would be ME - I've made such comparisons to Luka before. I apologize if it's made anyone uncomfortable.

When I was a young 12 year old growing up in inner city Richmond Va in 1981 I became a Boston Celtic fan because of a dude that looked a bit different from many of his fellow players....

I took some flack because of this...MANY of my peers loved LAL....they'd say "Man why do you like BOS?" I'd reply "Larry Bird" and they'd then nod their heads approvingly.

Not only did he LOOK different...dude PLAYED differently. His GAME was unlike ANY OTHER, outside of Magic Johnson.

Boy some of these young bucks growing up nowadays only have NBA 2k on XBOX or youtube to see Larry but MAN I watched this man in REAL TIME doing some of the CRAZY stuff he did......Larry (and Magic) did CRAZY stuff in their games ALL THE TIME.............

Fast Forward to NOW? Luka Doncic reminds me SO MUCH of Larry Bird as far as his flair..his game play. His passes aren't as flashy (YET) but he isn't that far off.

I think Luka's FLOOR defensively can be Larry's....I can see him getting AT LEAST some 2nd team defensive awards...he appears THAT ACTIVE on the defensive end, to me at least.

Luka isn't even technically White - only in America, unfortunately - do we place such labels. Dude is Slovenian I thought.
I'm from Asia and I do consider Doncic to be white lol, it's not just America that labels a person who's mainly European in blood as white. Also the comparisons don't make me feel uncomfortable, it's just somewhat weird to me because they approach the game in very different ways from what I've seen (Bird was an off-ball maestro, Doncic is an on-ball engine). I disagree that Doncic's defensive floor is Bird's defensive peak btw, early Bird was a fringe All-Defensive player and I don't see Doncic becoming that as a wing sized player with unspectacular athleticism and non-Bird instincts/hands on defence. I don't even think that Doncic has a defensive ceiling that has him becoming an All-League defender, apologies if it offends you but I just don't see him being that impactful on defence.