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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Patriots / Football => Topic started by: Roy Hobbs on October 29, 2007, 02:46:33 PM
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After reading numerous posts in this forum, it is become increasingly clear that several of you have forgotten and/or chosen to ignore the site rules in regards to proper conduct. Allow me to reiterate some of the seemingly overlooked ones:
- Respect each other at all times. There is no need for name-calling or harassment of any poster. This includes behavior in all areas of Celticsblog, including forum posts, blog comments and personal messages. While we encourage lively debate there is no reason for anyone to disrespect a fellow poster's ideas.
- Keep all commentary civil, and be courteous to all. Constructive criticism is welcome, but insults directed towards other users or the site staff will not be tolerated. Coarse/insulting language is not allowed under any circumstances. This prohibition also extends to any off color or inappropriate remarks. Sarcasm can be misinterpreted, so be very careful when using it in a post.
- Do not “lure” or “bait” others towards rule-breaking behavior. This prohibition applies site-wide. Responding to such “bait” in a manner that violates Celticsblog rules is equally inappropriate, and is subject to the same level of punishment.
- No “trolling”. Commenting in a thread in a manner that is likely to provoke an angry response from others is not permitted...
This post will be the final warning; any further rule-breaking behavior in this forum will result in a suspension, and potentially revocation of your privileges to post in the off-topic forum. There is no reason that every football thread has to devolve into a borderline flame war.
I would strongly suggest that if you're a Pats fan, you confine your comments to the Pats, rather than the New York Giants. If you're a Giants fan, confine your comments to the Giants. Such comments look suspiciously like baiting, trolling, and/or latent insecurity. If you can't remain civil -- and the actions of several posters on this forum have shown that they cannot be -- then don't enter into the argument at all.
I hope that I'm clear.
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when a problem comes along you must whip it
WHIP IT GOOD!
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Looks like football threads are heading in the same direction as the political threads, ....cya football threads :'(
What happens as this site gets largr and more popular and non-Celtic fans start posting their displeasure with the Celtics winning every game by 30 points this year? Everyone will become pretty heated! Will we be ceasing Celtics threads then?
I fully expect a very stern rebuke in the form of a PM or a suspension for this post. It goes in line with the ever increasing police state that seems to be becoming a part of this site over the last 3-4 months.
And you know what that's fine, it's Jeff's site and the mods receive nothing for the thankless job they do and this is a great site. But I'm just voicing my 2 cents of constructive criticism. Sometimes for the overall good some things need to be changed. I mean even the Constitution had the Bill of Rights.
Maybe letting certain threads get a little testy is a good thing, and an entertaining thing. I mean isn't that what this site does is entertain us in a participatory manner?
Besides wouldn't the continued constricting of topic forums or lively debate eventually cause a plateauing of general interest in the site and possible decrease of participation? I'm pretty sure the advertisers wouldn't like that!
Just some thoughts, sorry in advance if you don't agree or find this insulting or problematic.
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Allowing threads "to get a little testy" is never a good thing. Baiting / trolling is not allowed, and shouldn't be allowed. There is no reason that people on this blog can't converse and disagree without resorting to insults, name-calling, and attacking others because of their viewpoints. Nobody is saying you can't voice your opinion; what you can't do is bait and disrespect others.
In the future, rather than close off avenues of discussion, the response from this staff is going to be to suspend and/or ban serial offenders, even if each individual offense is of a seemingly small nature. We have rules in place for a reason, and it is time that certain posters start obeying them.
If people have a problem with the "police state" around here, that's their option. Nobody is forcing you to post on this blog. It's sad and unfortunate that a small group of posters feels the need to "get a little testy" to entertain themselves. For those who find entertainment value in conflict, and are here to stir things up rather than to talk about the Celtics in a respectful way, I would suggest you move on.
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Re Nickagneta: Even you must see the difference between calling another poster a "dunce", "moron", an "idiot" etc. as opposed to deftly accomplishing something similar throught a substantive and well constructed counter-argument. The latter can add to our collective body of knowledge, the former undermines spirited discussion.
It's equally obvious that some posters have a strong bias and only will TOLERATE their viewpoint. Those posters that oppose biased views are considered "enemies of reason". Let the WAR of Words begin, but keep levity and diplomacy paramount!
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Allowing threads "to get a little testy" is never a good thing. Baiting / trolling is not allowed, and shouldn't be allowed. There is no reason that people on this blog can't converse and disagree without resorting to insults, name-calling, and attacking others because of their viewpoints. Nobody is saying you can't voice your opinion; what you can't do is bait and disrespect others.
In the future, rather than close off avenues of discussion, the response from this staff is going to be to suspend and/or ban serial offenders, even if each individual offense is of a seemingly small nature. We have rules in place for a reason, and it is time that certain posters start obeying them.
If people have a problem with the "police state" around here, that's their option. Nobody is forcing you to post on this blog. It's sad and unfortunate that a small group of posters feels the need to "get a little testy" to entertain themselves. For those who find entertainment value in conflict, and are here to stir things up rather than to talk about the Celtics in a respectful way, I would suggest you move on.
I don't get entertainment out of conflict, but conflict is a part of life. It happens, and if you really feel bad about yourself because someone you never met before called you a name on the internet, well...I won't say it, for fear of the "Police State."
Arguments get heated. I can understand keeping racial and sexual slurs out of conversation, but calling someone a jackass is not a huge deal. Heck, I will call myself one. I am a jackass. I can't get banned for insulting myself, right?
All kidding aside, I think that the constant watching of what we say will truly hinder people posting on this board. I know I was just coming around to posting more, and now I feel like I can't even disagree with anyone. Besides, the "Good Ol' Boy" Network is in full swing, so we always know who backs up who anyway, no matter the issue.
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I know I was just coming around to posting more, and now I feel like I can't even disagree with anyone.
I would suggest you read moskqq's post above.
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Re Nickagneta: Even you must see the difference between calling another poster a "dunce", "moron", an "idiot" etc. as opposed to deftly accomplishing something similar throught a substantive and well constructed counter-argument. The latter can add to our collective body of knowledge, the former undermines spirited discussion.
It's equally obvious that some posters have a strong bias and only will TOLERATE their viewpoint. Those posters that oppose biased views are considered "enemies of reason". Let the WAR of Words begin, but keep levity and diplomacy paramount!
Yes "EVEN I" can see that veiled insults are much nicer and less hurtful than when someone calls me an "idiot" to my face, especially on a thread where the discussion of behavior is being debated.
Yup "EVEN I" can figure that out!
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If one makes a ridiculous claim about the greatness of a team that is not the Patriots on a Patriot board and does not provide any evidence or statistic, couldn't that be a form of baiting?
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If one makes a ridiculous claim about the greatness of a team that is not the Patriots on a Patriot board and does not provide any evidence or statistic, couldn't that be a form of baiting?
By all means, properly refute the claim in an appropriate thread. However, don't continually bring the Giants / Patriots into every single football thread.
Allow me to make one thing clear: this is not solely a Patriots board. The majority of the football fans here are Patriots fans, but that doesn't mean only the Patriots are supported. This is an all purpose football board, and fans of any of the other 29 teams have equal rights to talk about their teams, so long as they do it in a respectful manner.
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And do remember this is the Football forum, not just the Pat forum.
The key to all of this is respect.
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Re Nickagneta: Even you must see the difference between calling another poster a "dunce", "moron", an "idiot" etc. as opposed to deftly accomplishing something similar throught a substantive and well constructed counter-argument. The latter can add to our collective body of knowledge, the former undermines spirited discussion.
It's equally obvious that some posters have a strong bias and only will TOLERATE their viewpoint. Those posters that oppose biased views are considered "enemies of reason". Let the WAR of Words begin, but keep levity and diplomacy paramount!
Yes "EVEN I" can see that veiled insults are much nicer and less hurtful than when someone calls me an "idiot" to my face, especially on a thread where the discussion of behavior is being debated.
Yup "EVEN I" can figure that out!
I think Moskqq might have mispoke there...or maybe needed to be clearer.
The whole point of this site is to share your viewpoints with others, and become aware of the points of view of others, and create discussion and discourse. If what you are trying to do is prove someone else wrong, or make them look stupid, or anything else like that, then you don't belong here (this is not directed at you, just saying in general).
I agree with Kuberski that conflict is a part of life. However, disrespect is not a part of this site. Plain and simple. You can have any opinion you want, and you can voice it as much as you want, however, if you disrespect anyone else on this site, then it is not acceptable.
Nothing else matters, its all about respect for other human beings, and showing the common curtesy that everyone deserves. If you don't agree with that, then this is not the right site for you.
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I am just observing some of the posts in the game prediction threads, but I think all posters need to be very aware that this is a Patriots forum, as stated in its name, so there are going to be a majority of Patriots fans. Posters with personal dislikes of the Pats need to have a well constructed argument or it just seems like they are trying to provoke Pats fans.
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Re Nickagneta; Your last post was meant to deliver a "veiled" insult but was executed in such a CLEVER manner that it accomplished its objective in humorous fashion.
You obviously write so well that you should forget the need for "slurs" and instead keep to the high road. Very much enjoyed your retort.
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but I think all posters need to be very aware that this is a Patriots forum, as stated in its name, so there are going to be a majority of Patriots fans.
This is NOT exclusively a Patriots forum. The name of this forum is the "Patriots / Football" forum. Discussion of all subjects related to football is allowed here. Yes, the majority of fans here are Pats fans, but fans of other teams are allowed to voice their thoughts as much as anybody else.
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but I think all posters need to be very aware that this is a Patriots forum, as stated in its name, so there are going to be a majority of Patriots fans.
This is NOT exclusively a Patriots forum. The name of this forum is the "Patriots / Football" forum. Discussion of all subjects related to football is allowed here. Yes, the majority of fans here are Pats fans, but fans of other teams are allowed to voice their thoughts as much as anybody else.
And it shouldn't matter anyways. It doesn't matter who anyone is a fan of, they still need to be shown respect on this site.
Even if a Lakers fan was to come on here, boasting of how good they are going to be (I know, I know), it is still 100% unnacceptable to show him or her any disrespect. You just need to very clearly and civily explain to him or her that the Lakers are simply not a good team, and back it up with evidence.
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Re Nickagneta: Even you must see the difference between calling another poster a "dunce", "moron", an "idiot" etc. as opposed to deftly accomplishing something similar throught a substantive and well constructed counter-argument. The latter can add to our collective body of knowledge, the former undermines spirited discussion.
It's equally obvious that some posters have a strong bias and only will TOLERATE their viewpoint. Those posters that oppose biased views are considered "enemies of reason". Let the WAR of Words begin, but keep levity and diplomacy paramount!
Yes "EVEN I" can see that veiled insults are much nicer and less hurtful than when someone calls me an "idiot" to my face, especially on a thread where the discussion of behavior is being debated.
Yup "EVEN I" can figure that out!
I think Moskqq might have mispoke there...or maybe needed to be clearer.
The whole point of this site is to share your viewpoints with others, and become aware of the points of view of others, and create discussion and discourse. If what you are trying to do is prove someone else wrong, or make them look stupid, or anything else like that, then you don't belong here (this is not directed at you, just saying in general).
I agree with Kuberski that conflict is a part of life. However, disrespect is not a part of this site. Plain and simple. You can have any opinion you want, and you can voice it as much as you want, however, if you disrespect anyone else on this site, then it is not acceptable.
Nothing else matters, its all about respect for other human beings, and showing the common curtesy that everyone deserves. If you don't agree with that, then this is not the right site for you.
While I agree that blantant disrespect to be be hurtful is just foolish, there are many times where a argument can escalate and things can be said. I personally think it would be a bit much if someone was banned for calling someone an "idiot." I mean, heck, it was a term of endearment in 2004. But seriously, a blowoff comment like that should not be a highly punishable offense. I don't think anyone should be using racial slurs or anything, because if you enjoy calling people bad names over the internet, then you should get your head checked. I just would personally hate to see good posters get punished over a zero tolerance policy that may just stretch a bit too far.
But hey, it isnt my site, so I'll just bounce if it bothers me that badly.
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While I agree that blantant disrespect to be be hurtful is just foolish, there are many times where a argument can escalate and things can be said. I personally think it would be a bit much if someone was banned for calling someone an "idiot." I mean, heck, it was a term of endearment in 2004. But seriously, a blowoff comment like that should not be a highly punishable offense. I don't think anyone should be using racial slurs or anything, because if you enjoy calling people bad names over the internet, then you should get your head checked. I just would personally hate to see good posters get punished over a zero tolerance policy that may just stretch a bit too far.
But hey, it isnt my site, so I'll just bounce if it bothers me that badly.
Hey, I don't completely disagree with you. The problem is, no one is able to just call someone an idiot. Because whenever they do that (and this is from experience of having to moderate many threads like this), then the "idiot" has to respond with something slightly worse. And then the original poster needs to respond with something worse than that. And soon enough, a thread that was supposed to be about the Patriots game against the Colts has two pages of insults between two posters.
That ruins the fun for everyone else not involved, and who may have wanted to actually continue discussing the game...and it means that those two who may have started off with what they thought was a relatively harmless namecalling turned in to a blatant flame war.
If everyone was able just to brush these comments off, it would be great, and all of the Mods would love it, because it would make our jobs much easier, but you know thats not the case.
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In legal debate, the "Ad Hominum" or personal attack (name-calling argument) is a sign of frustration arising from a lack of counter-argument.
In blogger parlance, it might mean that one blogger is making such a strong case for his position that another blogger recognizes the tenuous nature of his own argument and shifts the FOCUS to personal INSULT. Call it what you like, but personal "slurs" are a sure indication of defeat, defeat of reason, defeat of evidence. It's a last resort attempt to win by acting the part of a "bully"!
Re Chris: While INSULTS in any form should be discouraged, some are delivered with such a noticeable touch of good natured humor that they don't offend but rather entertain. Insults are always indicative of a loser's last argument, sometimes delivered with humorous diplomacy.
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Re Chris: While INSULTS in any form should be discouraged, some are delivered with such a noticeable touch of good natured humor that they don't offend but rather entertain. Insults are always indicative of a loser's last argument, sometimes delivered with humorous diplomacy.
Of course, and we always use our discretion to try not to be too sensitive about things like this. But it is important to be careful when making any insult, because sometimes "good natured humor" does not translate well online.
But either way, these good natured statements are not what we are talking about for the most part. We are talking about the posts that are clearly made to elicit a negative reaction from other posters.
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In legal debate, the "Ad Hominum" or personal attack (name-calling argument) is a sign of frustration arising from a lack of counter-argument.
In blogger parlance, it might mean that one blogger is making such a strong case for his position that another blogger recognizes the tenuous nature of his own argument and shifts the FOCUS to personal INSULT. Call it what you like, but personal "slurs" are a sure indication of defeat, defeat of reason, defeat of evidence. It's a last resort attempt to win by acting the part of a "bully"!
Re Chris: While INSULTS in any form should be discouraged, some are delivered with such a noticeable touch of good natured humor that they don't offend but rather entertain. Insults are always indicative of a loser's last argument, sometimes delivered with humorous diplomacy.
That is a good point, but a personal insult could also be a reaction to the absurdness of the poster's argument. Just another way to view it.
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While I agree that blantant disrespect to be be hurtful is just foolish, there are many times where a argument can escalate and things can be said. I personally think it would be a bit much if someone was banned for calling someone an "idiot." I mean, heck, it was a term of endearment in 2004. But seriously, a blowoff comment like that should not be a highly punishable offense. I don't think anyone should be using racial slurs or anything, because if you enjoy calling people bad names over the internet, then you should get your head checked. I just would personally hate to see good posters get punished over a zero tolerance policy that may just stretch a bit too far.
But hey, it isnt my site, so I'll just bounce if it bothers me that badly.
Hey, I don't completely disagree with you. The problem is, no one is able to just call someone an idiot. Because whenever they do that (and this is from experience of having to moderate many threads like this), then the "idiot" has to respond with something slightly worse. And then the original poster needs to respond with something worse than that. And soon enough, a thread that was supposed to be about the Patriots game against the Colts has two pages of insults between two posters.
That ruins the fun for everyone else not involved, and who may have wanted to actually continue discussing the game...and it means that those two who may have started off with what they thought was a relatively harmless namecalling turned in to a blatant flame war.
If everyone was able just to brush these comments off, it would be great, and all of the Mods would love it, because it would make our jobs much easier, but you know thats not the case.
So if someone can communicate well enough to veil their insults(see moskqq's original post which he admittedly wrote as an insult) will they be chastised just as much as someone who baits or abuses someone else in a more crude manner? And if that these wordsmiths are accomplished enough they could conceivably be continuously insulting without a mod, such as yourself, realizing it or a mod might even conceivably try to explain away that insult as a form of miscommunication. How can the mods tell the difference? When will the no tolerance start and stop? Are well worded insults and badgering allowed or any worse than the use of outright disrespectful forms of abuse? Sounds like a slippery slope to me as no tolerance policies become more and more strict.
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Name-calling as a last resort in a spirited discussion: Since the perponderance of the evidence rests with your opponent, you attempt to UNDERMINE the credibility of your opponent's arguments through racial, ethnic and other derogatory slurs.
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While I agree that blantant disrespect to be be hurtful is just foolish, there are many times where a argument can escalate and things can be said. I personally think it would be a bit much if someone was banned for calling someone an "idiot." I mean, heck, it was a term of endearment in 2004. But seriously, a blowoff comment like that should not be a highly punishable offense. I don't think anyone should be using racial slurs or anything, because if you enjoy calling people bad names over the internet, then you should get your head checked. I just would personally hate to see good posters get punished over a zero tolerance policy that may just stretch a bit too far.
But hey, it isnt my site, so I'll just bounce if it bothers me that badly.
Hey, I don't completely disagree with you. The problem is, no one is able to just call someone an idiot. Because whenever they do that (and this is from experience of having to moderate many threads like this), then the "idiot" has to respond with something slightly worse. And then the original poster needs to respond with something worse than that. And soon enough, a thread that was supposed to be about the Patriots game against the Colts has two pages of insults between two posters.
That ruins the fun for everyone else not involved, and who may have wanted to actually continue discussing the game...and it means that those two who may have started off with what they thought was a relatively harmless namecalling turned in to a blatant flame war.
If everyone was able just to brush these comments off, it would be great, and all of the Mods would love it, because it would make our jobs much easier, but you know thats not the case.
So if someone can communicate well enough to veil their insults(see moskqq's original post which he admittedly wrote as an insult) will they be chastised just as much as someone who baits or abuses someone else in a more crude manner? And if that these wordsmiths are accomplished enough they could conceivably be continuously insulting without a mod, such as yourself, realizing it or a mod might even conceivably try to explain away that insult as a form of miscommunication. How can the mods tell the difference? When will the no tolerance start and stop? Are well worded insults and badgering allowed or any worse than the use of outright disrespectful forms of abuse? Sounds like a slippery slope to me as no tolerance policies become more and more strict.
Stop worrying about slippery slopes, and start worrying about following rules.
We are not going to be banning people who are following the rules, plain and simple.
If you feel like someone is breaking a rule, then use the report to the moderator button. If they are using veiled insults (such as inferring that the Mods are too incompetent to pick up on veiled insults), then they will be treated the same was as if they were using blatant insults. This is the way it has always been.
But I would suggest that you stop worrying about this stuff so much, and just worry about what you personally can do to be respectful to others, and to follow the rules of the site. If you would like a clarification of any of the rules, please PM me, and I would be glad to discuss them.
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This is the first time in a long time I've posted, and the reason is similar to the ones being expressed here.
I have no problem with rules being in place to keep discussion on topic and keep trolls out, but my dealings with the moderators have always left me with a bad taste in my mouth. They seem to take a particular delight in their role as enforcers, which is a shame.
I have all kinds of problems with various rules and interpretations but moderating and setting up a forum is not in my future, so I just read and don't post anymore.
The site is still one of the best around (and not cus I use to help with the server and write for it either), but I would love to see some moderating of the moderators.
Reminds me of the psychology experiment where college kids were randomly chosen to be either cops or prisoners...if you've never heard of it, look it up.
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Almost anything that is written can be manipulated so as to shift its original intent. I think we all recognize the difference between crude remarks, subtle discourse and even absurd commentaries. Somewhere the exercise of MODERATION and discretion needs to be exercised.
That is why we have MODERATORS to "level the playing field" and call the fouls when someone crosses the line of scrimmage. It's apparent by the diversity of opinions that there is a wide gulf of propriety.
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The biggest issue is that heaven forbid you not like the Patriots. People forget that they have only been good for a very short period of time and because of this, people that never knew they existed before 2001 come out of nowhere and try and argue without knowing anything. If you look at the overall body of work the franchise has been mostly a joke. It took Parcells and Bledsoe to make them relevant in the 90's and for Belichek to make them a winner.
And not that I'm not guilty of Celtics homerism from time to time ;D but Pats homers are even worse. If you make any legit point against there team you're an idiot and know nothing about football. And if you make a comparison/analysis with or about another team it's wrong, despite them knowing next to nothing about said team.
If we were making these arguments in person at a bar it wouldn't be a problem because eventually the beer would kick in and common sense would take over. But here, people can only read what's in black and white and not the feelings/intent/meaning behind it.
Don't make blanket statements like "Oh, such and such sucks because he plays on the Giants or he plays in the NFC" when you don't watch anything but the Pats. ANd before anyone comes back with "Don't talk about the ------ when you're a Giants fan" I personally am one of the people that spends waaaaay to much time researching/studying EVERY team so that I'm not a one dimensional debater. And no matter what people say, there is NO WAY every other person here is like that when it comes to football.
Maybe a lot of this was rambling but I think it is all relevant and makes a lot of sense.
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Don't make blanket statements like "Oh, such and such sucks because he plays on the Giants or he plays in the NFC" when you don't watch anything but the Pats.
Excellent advice don't make blanket statements.
People forget that they have only been good for a very short period of time and because of this, people that never knew they existed before 2001 come out of nowhere and try and argue without knowing anything.
Ooops, that's a blanket statement.
If you look at the overall body of work the franchise has been mostly a joke.
Actually the overall body of work considering the ownership that was so cheap is pretty good. This is their 48th year of existence and they have played for 7 championships, not to bad and better than most franchises. Also the NFL has always been about dynasties. Hallas' Bears, Lombardi's Packers, Knoll's Steelers, Landry's Cowboys, Shula's Dolphins, Jimmy Jones' Cowboys, the Niners with and without Walsh, and now Belicheck's Patriots. Being one of the 8 greatest dynasties, and maybe THE greatest dynasty in football history considering they work within a world of extreme player movement and financially imposed parity, is impressive and not a joke. Also over the last 11 years they've been to more SBs than any other franchise. So for over 22% of their existence they have been one of the most dominating teams in football history. Sorry, that's no joke.
If you make any legit point against there team you're an idiot and know nothing about football. And if you make a comparison/analysis with or about another team it's wrong, despite them knowing next to nothing about said team.
Given that not only myself but others have given statistical evidence to some of your Giants claims and yet you respond with blanket statements questioning Pats fans football knowledge and how " there is NO WAY every other person here is like that when it comes to football."and the manner in which we follow football, I find it difficult you can even make that claim.
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The last two statements are what we are talking about.
Somehow, this thread is mutating into a Pat vs. Giants thread. For what reasons but to try to agitate other posters.
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Exactly. The thread warning people NOT to make every thread into a Giants vs. Pats thread is now going in that very direction. It needs to stop.
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I am sorry but I do not see where a response such as the one I gave is considered against the rules.
I used the first two statements to show that the poster may have been being a bit hypocritical.
I was not disrespectful or insulting. I politely disagreed with statements and brought statistical data, references, and quotes to refute his claims.
I said nothing derogatory against the Giants.
I only brought about a different point of view in a manner that I thought would be a good exaample of the type of conversation that would be tolerated here. Are you telling me that a response such as mine is what you are saying shouldn't occur? If so why even have the forum because it wouldn't be a forum it would be nothing more than a cyber-prep rally. Please advise.
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Sure, Nick. Here's another rule you and others may have overlooked:
- Keep all posts and comments on-topic
I hope this answers your question. If not, you may review the original post to refresh your recollection as to the topic of this particular thread. The two posts immediately prior to wdleehi's violate this rule, in whole or in part.
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So basically if someone attacks your team, don't defend them. And if someone doesn't like the Patrots then don't post because your opinion will be wrong despite there being no such thing as an incorrect opinion. That is the whole root of any issue with the Pats/football thread.
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Wow. Just, wow. To reiterate, one more time:
1. Respect others and avoid personal attacks; and
2. Stay on topic
Why those rules are hard for people to figure out, I have no idea. A thread about the rules is not the place to call out Patriots fans, or to call their team a joke. It is also not the place to respond to those arguments; responding to bait is every bit a violation of the rules that the original baiting is. This has nothing to do with our staff favoring Patriots fans, or favoring fans of another team. It has everything to do with enforcing the blog rules.
If this continues to be a problem, we can easily resolve the issue by restricting posting privileges. Let me know if that's the route you would like to go.
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So basically if someone attacks your team, don't defend them. And if someone doesn't like the Patrots then don't post because your opinion will be wrong despite there being no such thing as an incorrect opinion. That is the whole root of any issue with the Pats/football thread.
If there is a post about the Patriots, talk about the Pats. Express your opinion. If a post is about another team, talk about the other team.
At this point, anyone just throwing in comments to bait someone into breaking rules, or does something else that breaks a rule, use the report button.
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Sure, Nick. Here's another rule you and others may have overlooked:
- Keep all posts and comments on-topic
I hope this answers your question. If not, you may review the original post to refresh your recollection as to the topic of this particular thread. The two posts immediately prior to wdleehi's violate this rule, in whole or in part.
Okay I understand that. But if my response WAS in a Pats thread would it be considered baiting and insulting or would it be the type of response you would except as being within the decorum of the rules. That's what I'm trying to get to and that is on topic for this thread.
I'm not trying to be difficult. I think I may not be the only one who would like a little more clarification than just follow the rules. Really I'm not busting them on you guys I would like a critique on whether my response to sexyscotty's post, if posted within the proper forum, was a proper response or did it cross a line?
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In my opinion, your post was fine, *if* it was made in an appropriate thread. Posters are allowed to disagree, so long as 1) they are respectful to others, and 2) they stay on topic.
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Thank you Roy, I just wanted an opinion on whether such a post was exceptable or not. At least I now know where I can and can't go based on an example. I appreciate the clarification and am done bugging you guys.
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Thank you Roy, I just wanted an opinion on whether such a post was exceptable or not. At least I now know where I can and can't go based on an example. I appreciate the clarification and am done bugging you guys.
A lot of times, it's going to depend upon context. Just do your best to be respectful, and don't go wildly off-topic (ie, by saying the Giants suck in a thread about the Pats-Colts, for instance), and you and everybody else should be fine.
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my apologies for getting a little fiesty in the current eli manning thread. sacrastic jokes and cynical remarks are no way to treat your fellow celtics fans. to to the raptors guy and the dude with the animee avator, please except my regrets (even if you're wrong).
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my apologies for getting a little fiesty in the current eli manning thread. sacrastic jokes and cynical remarks are no way to treat your fellow celtics fans. to to the raptors guy and the dude with the animee avator, please except my regrets (even if you're wrong).
Conflict Resolution 101:
It's always good at the end of an apology to remind the party you are apologizing to that they are still wrong. ::)
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my apologies for getting a little fiesty in the current eli manning thread. sacrastic jokes and cynical remarks are no way to treat your fellow celtics fans. to to the raptors guy and the dude with the animee avator, please except my regrets (even if you're wrong).
Conflict Resolution 101:
It's always good at the end of an apology to remind the party you are apologizing to that they are still wrong. ::)
breath deeply, shake hands, and tell the other guy he has no idea what he's talkin' about.
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all i can say is "wow". follow the rules....if you cant or dont want to, then dont participate in this blog. its pretty much that easy.
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In legal debate, the "Ad Hominum" or personal attack (name-calling argument) is a sign of frustration arising from a lack of counter-argument.
In blogger parlance, it might mean that one blogger is making such a strong case for his position that another blogger recognizes the tenuous nature of his own argument and shifts the FOCUS to personal INSULT. Call it what you like, but personal "slurs" are a sure indication of defeat, defeat of reason, defeat of evidence. It's a last resort attempt to win by acting the part of a "bully"!
Re Chris: While INSULTS in any form should be discouraged, some are delivered with such a noticeable touch of good natured humor that they don't offend but rather entertain. Insults are always indicative of a loser's last argument, sometimes delivered with humorous diplomacy.
That is a good point, but a personal insult could also be a reaction to the absurdness of the poster's argument. Just another way to view it.
I actually agree with this. I'm not trying to say that insults should ever be allowed on this board, but anyone who says that insults are solely a reaction when you have no better counter-argument is flat out wrong.
Often times, people make arguments that are just so illogical or off-based, that the response that goes through my head is "wow this guy is truly an idiot, I am literally faaaaaar more educated and intelligent than him and even bothering to argue with him or trying to convince him to see my way is useless." I don't ever post that, but a good thing to remember is that when it comes down to it, I don't care at all whether or not someone else on this board sees a particular topic my way. If someone disagrees with you, who cares? move on. Just look at it as though you're maintaining your place in this world as being less ignorant than the other person. Many people don't want to learn.