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Title: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: CFAN38 on January 05, 2018, 07:31:59 AM
It is still early in the season to be to worried about lottery position and mock drafts however Jaren Jackson going 5/6 from 3 with 3 blocks last night in only 16 min last night vs Maryland has me thinking.

Lets say the Lakers pick isn't 2-5.

The projected top 5 is currently Ayton, Bagely, Doncic, Bamba, Young and the 6th is Porter if healthy. After that I see Sexton Bridges and Jackson going as the next 3.

The question is do the Cs try to use the Kings 2019 pick to grab the 6th-8th and draft Jackson?

He is one of the youngest members of the class, is an elite shot blocker and is proving to be an exceptional shooter. At 6'10 with a 7'4 wingspan and a frame that appears capable of bulking up he could be an ideal 5/4 to develop behind and next to Horford.

Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: coffee425 on January 05, 2018, 09:10:07 AM
No offense to Jaren, but he's got "solid role player" written all over him. Which i guess is fine for picks 6-10.
Unlikely he'll jump into the top 5 with Sexton and Young playing so well.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: td450 on January 05, 2018, 09:10:53 AM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

Side note: I watched Ayton for the first time last night. Wow! He has superstar written all over him.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: CFAN38 on January 05, 2018, 09:17:04 AM
No offense to Jaren, but he's got "solid role player" written all over him. Which i guess is fine for picks 6-10.
Unlikely he'll jump into the top 5 with Sexton and Young playing so well.

I will agree that he may lack the go to offense to be more then a role player but if his shot carries out to the NBA 3 he will provide the most coveted role player skill set in the modern NBA. In the mold of Ibaka Jackson may be able to provide both high level rim protection and floor spacing from the 5/4 positions. 
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: CFAN38 on January 05, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

If the Cs land the Lakers pick 2-5 I would be shocked to see him trade down. Carter is a very interesting prospect who should be a really solid pro. He just isnt at the level of the players projected to go in the top 5. Ainge has proven in the past (Rozier pick) that he will go with talent over fit and trading down for Carter would be a fit move.

I will say that along the same lines as this threads title I wouldn't be surprised to see DA use future assets, the Cs own pick this year, and maybe Yabu to get Carter. He and Jackson both fit a need on the roster and could be developed into key future contributors. 
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: csfansince60s on January 05, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
It is still early in the season to be to worried about lottery position and mock drafts however Jaren Jackson going 5/6 from 3 with 3 blocks last night in only 16 min last night vs Maryland has me thinking.

Lets say the Lakers pick isn't 2-5.

The projected top 5 is currently Ayton, Bagely, Doncic, Bamba, Young and the 6th is Porter if healthy. After that I see Sexton Bridges and Jackson going as the next 3.

The question is do the Cs try to use the Kings 2019 pick to grab the 6th-8th and draft Jackson?

He is one of the youngest members of the class, is an elite shot blocker and is proving to be an exceptional shooter. At 6'10 with a 7'4 wingspan and a frame that appears capable of bulking up he could be an ideal 5/4 to develop behind and next to Horford.

I'm on board.

I've been watching Jackson all year.

MSU gets as lot of TV time, not just on BTN, but nationally too because of Jackson, Miles Bridges and Izzo.

Kids a stud who also can run the floor and finish. Scary prospect who could jump into the top 5-6 because of his length, athleticism and age.

Think of him as a less jacked Giannis who can shoot. Handles the ball pretty well for a player his size.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: saltlover on January 05, 2018, 10:58:42 AM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

If the Cs land the Lakers pick 2-5 I would be shocked to see him trade down. Carter is a very interesting prospect who should be a really solid pro. He just isnt at the level of the players projected to go in the top 5. Ainge has proven in the past (Rozier pick) that he will go with talent over fit and trading down for Carter would be a fit move.

I will say that along the same lines as this threads title I wouldn't be surprised to see DA use future assets, the Cs own pick this year, and maybe Yabu to get Carter. He and Jackson both fit a need on the roster and could be developed into key future contributors.

I could see Ainge trading down from 5 if the top 4 are Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba, and Porter’s medicals are concerning (or cause him to drop out of the draft).  Trae Young seems like a kid some team would love to jump up to get, but at the same time another team might be more concerned about his ability to translate to the NBA.  If a team in the 7-10 range were one of the former and Ainge is one of the latter, then it’s not impossible.  There’s a lot of ifs in that paragraph though, and I wouldn’t expect him to trade out of the top 4.

As for Carter, I’m a huge fan.  If he were picked at 5 I would call it an overdraft, but also defensible.  I’d love to trade our 2018 pick, the better of the Clippers pick and our 2019 pick, and Yabusele to get him.  Can’t see it happening, realistically, but I can hope.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: CFAN38 on January 05, 2018, 11:09:05 AM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

If the Cs land the Lakers pick 2-5 I would be shocked to see him trade down. Carter is a very interesting prospect who should be a really solid pro. He just isnt at the level of the players projected to go in the top 5. Ainge has proven in the past (Rozier pick) that he will go with talent over fit and trading down for Carter would be a fit move.

I will say that along the same lines as this threads title I wouldn't be surprised to see DA use future assets, the Cs own pick this year, and maybe Yabu to get Carter. He and Jackson both fit a need on the roster and could be developed into key future contributors.

I could see Ainge trading down from 5 if the top 4 are Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba, and Porter’s medicals are concerning (or cause him to drop out of the draft).  Trae Young seems like a kid some team would love to jump up to get, but at the same time another team might be more concerned about his ability to translate to the NBA.  If a team in the 7-10 range were one of the former and Ainge is one of the latter, then it’s not impossible.  There’s a lot of ifs in that paragraph though, and I wouldn’t expect him to trade out of the top 4.

As for Carter, I’m a huge fan.  If he were picked at 5 I would call it an overdraft, but also defensible.  I’d love to trade our 2018 pick, the better of the Clippers pick and our 2019 pick, and Yabusele to get him.  Can’t see it happening, realistically, but I can hope.

I'll give it to you that with the 5th pick, Porter not healthy and only Young left on the board then I would suspect DA to trade down. Trading down would have to come at a high cost caused by a bidding war. At the same time if DA's price isn't met I have know doubt he would draft Young and leave it to BS to figure out.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: footey on January 05, 2018, 11:19:33 AM
The problem with this idea is that teams are very reluctant to trade a high pick in a pending draft for a high pick in a future draft.  Usually that team sucks, which is why it has a high draft pick, and is under intense pressure to get someone in the current draft.  Look what Ainge got from Philly just to trade down 2 spots last season? And is there another GM who would have had the guts to do that? Doubtful.  Look what Michael Jordan was offered by Ainge a couple of years ago, and declined. Team GM's do a lot scouting of drafts and inevitably fall in love with someone they can get, and are loathe to trade it away for some future pick the value of which can be beaten up very easily (the 2019 draft already considered weaker than 2018 draft, and SAC could pull an BKLN and climb in standings by 2019).

I doubt this could be pulled off.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: chilidawg on January 05, 2018, 12:40:02 PM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

If the Cs land the Lakers pick 2-5 I would be shocked to see him trade down. Carter is a very interesting prospect who should be a really solid pro. He just isnt at the level of the players projected to go in the top 5. Ainge has proven in the past (Rozier pick) that he will go with talent over fit and trading down for Carter would be a fit move.

I will say that along the same lines as this threads title I wouldn't be surprised to see DA use future assets, the Cs own pick this year, and maybe Yabu to get Carter. He and Jackson both fit a need on the roster and could be developed into key future contributors.

I could see Ainge trading down from 5 if the top 4 are Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba, and Porter’s medicals are concerning (or cause him to drop out of the draft).  Trae Young seems like a kid some team would love to jump up to get, but at the same time another team might be more concerned about his ability to translate to the NBA.  If a team in the 7-10 range were one of the former and Ainge is one of the latter, then it’s not impossible.  There’s a lot of ifs in that paragraph though, and I wouldn’t expect him to trade out of the top 4.

As for Carter, I’m a huge fan.  If he were picked at 5 I would call it an overdraft, but also defensible.  I’d love to trade our 2018 pick, the better of the Clippers pick and our 2019 pick, and Yabusele to get him.  Can’t see it happening, realistically, but I can hope.

What do you see in Carter?  To me he looks.like a traditional 4, something of a dying breed.  Something like Millsap as an upside?
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: td450 on January 05, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
The guy I want in this class is Wendell Carter. I could see Ainge using our pick to trade down, bag Carter and get yet another asset.

If the Cs land the Lakers pick 2-5 I would be shocked to see him trade down. Carter is a very interesting prospect who should be a really solid pro. He just isnt at the level of the players projected to go in the top 5. Ainge has proven in the past (Rozier pick) that he will go with talent over fit and trading down for Carter would be a fit move.

I will say that along the same lines as this threads title I wouldn't be surprised to see DA use future assets, the Cs own pick this year, and maybe Yabu to get Carter. He and Jackson both fit a need on the roster and could be developed into key future contributors.

I could see Ainge trading down from 5 if the top 4 are Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba, and Porter’s medicals are concerning (or cause him to drop out of the draft).  Trae Young seems like a kid some team would love to jump up to get, but at the same time another team might be more concerned about his ability to translate to the NBA.  If a team in the 7-10 range were one of the former and Ainge is one of the latter, then it’s not impossible.  There’s a lot of ifs in that paragraph though, and I wouldn’t expect him to trade out of the top 4.

As for Carter, I’m a huge fan.  If he were picked at 5 I would call it an overdraft, but also defensible.  I’d love to trade our 2018 pick, the better of the Clippers pick and our 2019 pick, and Yabusele to get him.  Can’t see it happening, realistically, but I can hope.

What do you see in Carter?  To me he looks.like a traditional 4, something of a dying breed.  Something like Millsap as an upside?

Wendell Carter is 6'10 and 260 with a 7'3 wingspan, so he's quite a bit bigger than Milsap, and could play center as well as power forward. He's quick off the floor and smart. He can shoot and make decisions. He has a nice jump hook and finishes easily inside. Very clever and efficient two way player. He's ahead of Jackson with his overall offensive skills, and 5 months younger.

I think he could be a lot like Al Horford.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: Fireworks_Boom! on January 11, 2018, 08:43:06 AM
Original Poster: Yes, Jaren Jackson could warrant a trade into the draft. Depending on where the pick falls, he might even warrant us taking him with the Lakers pick (if it falls 4-5). I am not a fan of a Doncic pick and I hope he stays near the top of the draft. Of the two bigs, I like Ayton.

All this depends on where the ping pong balls fall.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft is no LA pick
Post by: coffee425 on January 26, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
No offense to Jaren, but he's got "solid role player" written all over him. Which i guess is fine for picks 6-10.
Unlikely he'll jump into the top 5 with Sexton and Young playing so well.


I want to correct myself. He's definitely in the top 5 for me, slightly above mo bamba now.
i can no longer deny 3 blocks a game at 44% 3pt shooting.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: vjcsmoke on January 27, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
So Jaren Jackson is basically a Serge Ibaka type of player?  Is that worth giving up a top 5 pick?
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: gouki88 on January 27, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
So Jaren Jackson is basically a Serge Ibaka type of player?  Is that worth giving up a top 5 pick?
Prime Serge Ibaka was a 15/8 guy with 2.5 blocks with really good shooting. That’s not a bad deal
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: vjcsmoke on January 27, 2018, 06:32:04 PM
So Jaren Jackson is basically a Serge Ibaka type of player?  Is that worth giving up a top 5 pick?
Prime Serge Ibaka was a 15/8 guy with 2.5 blocks with really good shooting. That’s not a bad deal

Serge Ibaka in his prime was a very good player.  But he was no franchise player. 

We're not talking about the next Anthony Davis or KAT or even a Cousins level talent.

Now if someone tells me Jackson's ceiling is Davis, I'd look at him with different eyes.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 27, 2018, 06:43:16 PM
If we are sitting at 5, top 4 of Ayton/Bagley/Doncic/Bamba are gone, and Porter is flagged medically still, Ainge would 100% draft Young, IMO. Cheapest and best insurance policy to Kyrie's contract length we could find. It would help in no way in the negotiation process with Kyrie, but in case he were to have a change of heart again and leave, we would have Young to fall back on, and he would have 2 years experience behind Irving.

Of course if a team like Chicago/Charlotte (likely in the 8-11 range) were dumb enough to offer their unprotected 2018 1st for a swap with us at #5, I think that would be enough for DA to pull the trigger, and get another swing at a Tatum-esque return.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: KGs Knee on January 27, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
The premise of this thread is flawed.

The Celtics will not have enough ammunition Ainge would be willing to part with to trade into the lottery of this year's draft. No team is going to trade us a top 10 pick for the Kings/Sixers pick. We'd have to use one of Brown/Tatum to trade into a lottery pick, and Ainge won't do that.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: gouki88 on January 27, 2018, 08:03:20 PM
So Jaren Jackson is basically a Serge Ibaka type of player?  Is that worth giving up a top 5 pick?
Prime Serge Ibaka was a 15/8 guy with 2.5 blocks with really good shooting. That’s not a bad deal

Serge Ibaka in his prime was a very good player.  But he was no franchise player. 

We're not talking about the next Anthony Davis or KAT or even a Cousins level talent.

Now if someone tells me Jackson's ceiling is Davis, I'd look at him with different eyes.
Ah, I didn't notice the top 5 pick bit. I wouldn't take him top 5, but in that 7-10 range he is money
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: chilidawg on February 03, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
So Jaren Jackson is basically a Serge Ibaka type of player?  Is that worth giving up a top 5 pick?
Prime Serge Ibaka was a 15/8 guy with 2.5 blocks with really good shooting. That’s not a bad deal

Serge Ibaka in his prime was a very good player.  But he was no franchise player. 

We're not talking about the next Anthony Davis or KAT or even a Cousins level talent.

Now if someone tells me Jackson's ceiling is Davis, I'd look at him with different eyes.

If someone tells you Jackson's ceiling is Davis you should disregard anything they ever say.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: CFAN38 on February 16, 2018, 06:41:03 AM
As the college season has progressed I now think its safe to say the answer to my original post is a resounding YES.

 
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 16, 2018, 08:16:31 AM
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The problem with this idea is that teams are very reluctant to trade a high pick in a pending draft for a high pick in a future draft.  Usually that team sucks, which is why it has a high draft pick, and is under intense pressure to get someone in the current draft

I could not agree more, there is a lot of magical thinking on this board that simply is not based in reality.

Sometimes I wonder if the posters believe in the Easter Bunny or Santa as some of these trade ideas assume that other teams will not act in their interest.   Any thread that starts with realistic trade is usually a perfect example of a delusion.  Note that I am not naming this one in that grouping.

NEWSFLASH, the NBA does not do trades like NBA VIDEO GAMES.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: GRADYCOLNON on March 04, 2018, 05:59:27 PM
Jaren Jackson would be perfect for this team.  He has high-risk high reward written all over him.  His season with MSU has highlighted exactly what teams value, stretching the floor, excellent defense, and athleticism.  The biggest threat we all seem to be overlooking is this isn't his team.  He has infrequently led this team and usually is a no-show in big games.  I still think he would be perfect for the Celtics, but I'm not willing to pay a kings' ransom. 

If he stays, which I highly doubt, he would be a prime candidate I'd want in the draft.
Title: Re: Could Jaren Jackson warrant a trade into this draft if no LA pick
Post by: Evantime34 on March 04, 2018, 07:03:45 PM
I really love this year's draft and I think it is the perfect chance to get a big to go with our young core and succeed Al Horford.

I do wonder if a team could be enticed to give up their pick for the kings pick plus other picks. If it was possible I'd much rather trade for a high first, than wait for the Kings/Memphis or Clippers pick.