Brogdon + Golden State's 2024 Pick OR Jrue Holiday?

[Phantom255x]

Golden State's pick projected to go to Portland after the Holiday trade is currently at #10

That kind of makes me change my tune a little on the Holiday trade, even though I think Holiday is underratedly great, have always loved him + think he'll make a difference in the playoffs.

But still, makes you wonder... if we knew the GSW pick was likely a Top-10 pick would we have traded it + Brogdon + Timelord? That suddenly looks like an even better return for Portland, granted their return looked great from the beginning.

[Kernewek]

As of now, I would take Holiday every single time.

[Atzar]

For a team trying to win now, I'd take Jrue eleven times out of ten.  Especially given the health of Brogdon and Williams this season. 

[Roy H.]

I raised the same thought in another thread, but I'm all in on Jrue.

But, perhaps Timelord's injury wasn't inevitable, and in an alternate universe he's contributing something this year.  Then you're left with:

KP / Timelord / Kornet
Horford / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown / Brogdon
White / Pritchard

Then, you've got that GS pick and the Celtics 2029 #1 to trade during the season, along with Brogdon's and/or Timelord's salaries to package. 

Either way, I think we're top contenders.  But, Jrue is literally the perfect fit on this team, so if we paid a premium, so be it.  I'm happy.

[celticinorlando]

Yes. Williams and Brogdon are made of glass. Jrue has not even come close to showing us what he can do with the Celtics.

[keevsnick]

Granted that Robert Williams is out for the year and this isn't a great draft I think its still a fine move.

[Phantom255x]

I raised the same thought in another thread, but I'm all in on Jrue.

But, perhaps Timelord's injury wasn't inevitable, and in an alternate universe he's contributing something this year.  Then you're left with:

KP / Timelord / Kornet
Horford / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown / Brogdon
White / Pritchard

Then, you've got that GS pick and the Celtics 2029 #1 to trade during the season, along with Brogdon's and/or Timelord's salaries to package. 

Either way, I think we're top contenders.  But, Jrue is literally the perfect fit on this team, so if we paid a premium, so be it.  I'm happy.

I think Stevens' logic was, they needed an improvement from Smart (and someone less "selfish/egotistical" for his role), and he didn't trust Timelord to stay healthy. Brogdon had to be in the deal but honestly I wonder if he really did sour on staying after being in the Porzingis trade rumors so CBS didn't mind doing it.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

100% would take Holiday. He plays better in a system and as an unselfish ball-mover than Brogdon. He also plays baseline a lot to free up Brown and Tatum out front. That added wrinkle has been really effective and Brogdon could not do it. This doesn't even mention his stellar defense against all 5 positions.

I get the point, but I don't care about the 10th overall pick. You are hoping to get a player as good as Holiday at that pick.

Also, you have to remember who we were bidding against to get him. He'd likely being in Miami right now if we didn't grab him.

[SparzWizard]

Projected 10th pick who could turn out to just become another complete Kelly Olynyk or Terry Rozier in 3 or 4 years or an immediate contributor/playoff vet in Jrue.

Give me Jrue everyday of the week. C's need to win now, not draft and grow more rookies to come off the bench

[JSD]

Has anyone mentioned that Brogdon did not want to be here?

[celticsclay]

Golden State's pick projected to go to Portland after the Holiday trade is currently at #10

That kind of makes me change my tune a little on the Holiday trade, even though I think Holiday is underratedly great, have always loved him + think he'll make a difference in the playoffs.

But still, makes you wonder... if we knew the GSW pick was likely a Top-10 pick would we have traded it + Brogdon + Timelord? That suddenly looks like an even better return for Portland, granted their return looked great from the beginning.

I would be quite surprised if the golden state ends up in top ten barring a curry injury. This just seems like a bit of panic at a low point for the warriors. I would imagine that everyone agrees the warriors are not trading Steph curry this year. They also are aware they down own their own pick. They also are aware they only have a few years left max of curry as a top 10-15 player. So they are gonna make moves. Whether that is trading kuminga, moody, Wiggins, Klay or some of their other young guys I have no clue. But they certainly have a lot more incentive to win this year than the Jazz or rockets (two teams keeping them out of playin). Do people really expect the warriors to stand pat without owning their own pick?

[celticsclay]

Projected 10th pick who could turn out to just become another complete Kelly Olynyk or Terry Rozier in 3 or 4 years or an immediate contributor/playoff vet in Jrue.

Give me Jrue everyday of the week. C's need to win now, not draft and grow more rookies to come off the bench

A lot more likely to end up 16-18 than 10. Bit silly to revisit whenever warriors are doing bad.

[ozgod]

Jrue fo sho

[jambr380]

I do wonder if we could have included our pick and a couple of 2nds rather than the GSW pick. I’m fine with the trade, but it certainly wasn’t like a home run or anything. We overpaid both in terms of trade value and contract in order to bring in a great fit

[jpotter33]

100% would take Holiday. He plays better in a system and as an unselfish ball-mover than Brogdon. He also plays baseline a lot to free up Brown and Tatum out front. That added wrinkle has been really effective and Brogdon could not do it. This doesn't even mention his stellar defense against all 5 positions.

I get the point, but I don't care about the 10th overall pick. You are hoping to get a player as good as Holiday at that pick.

Also, you have to remember who we were bidding against to get him. He'd likely being in Miami right now if we didn't grab him.

This is a big factor in this comparison, too. Miami was the likely recipient if not us, but Philly was also supposedly in the mix. Jrue going to either of those teams would've been terrible for us, and I think there'd be a lot more consideration of Boston, Milwaukee, and Miami/Philly all being on par or equivalent with each other instead of the consensus being Boston as the clear favorite with Milwaukee and Philly battling for second favorite right now.