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[wayupnorth]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  He's outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

I was clearly referring to the bolded text.

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.

why did you write that in your post?

Because some people here seem to think very highly of Kyler's opinion and that's his most recent comments on this evolving situation:  https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528715772329984

Speaking of "sell high moments', I interpreted Kyler's comments as follows...

You know how people here are willing to trade Smart + Jaylen + Both Brooklyn 1sts for Cousins?  Well given DeMarcus' reputation as a loose cannon and his upcoming 200 million dollar contract, you have to figure Joel Embiid has more trade value.   I may be wrong, but I think Kyler might have been suggesting that Philly should use this sell high moment to move Embiid for a giant package and build around Simmons and Noel.   It actually might not be a bad idea if you think Embiid's either going to regress or re-injure himself.  The Sixers have a sell high moment here.  Nobody would expect it.   What do you think?

it is beyond obvious that Kyler meant Simmons/Embiid. I dont understand your insistence on being an ass.

TP.

it gets really old, really fast.

It is the definition of trolling.

[tankcity!]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  He's outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

I was clearly referring to the bolded text.

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.

why did you write that in your post?

Because some people here seem to think very highly of Kyler's opinion and that's his most recent comments on this evolving situation:  https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528715772329984

I don't think he has broken any trades like ever. Don't really take this guys insight seriously. Call me when a Woj report on the Sixers comes out.

I don't take his insight seriously.   I hadn't even heard of the guy until someone started sharing all his tweets.

Yeah I saw when they posted it. Thought it would open up a can of worms.

[tankcity!]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  He's outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

I was clearly referring to the bolded text.

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.

why did you write that in your post?

Because some people here seem to think very highly of Kyler's opinion and that's his most recent comments on this evolving situation:  https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528715772329984

Speaking of "sell high moments', I interpreted Kyler's comments as follows...

You know how people here are willing to trade Smart + Jaylen + Both Brooklyn 1sts for Cousins?  Well given DeMarcus' reputation as a loose cannon and his upcoming 200 million dollar contract, you have to figure Joel Embiid has more trade value.   I may be wrong, but I think Kyler might have been suggesting that Philly should use this sell high moment to move Embiid for a giant package and build around Simmons and Noel.   It actually might not be a bad idea if you think Embiid's either going to regress or re-injure himself.  The Sixers have a sell high moment here.  Nobody would expect it.   What do you think?

it is beyond obvious that Kyler meant Simmons/Embiid. I dont understand your insistence on being an ass.

TP.

it gets really old, really fast.

It is the definition of trolling.

Oh god, relax. Take a joke. Those posters were attempting to use Kyler as a legit source to back their own arguments. They underestimated how much of an idiot Kyler is. Kyler made a mistake, Labrrd jumped in and took advantage.

Lesson to you posters, use capable writers next time you need something to backup your claim. Or else you'll feel the wrath of Larry Legend.

[Ilikesports17]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

Im also curious where you find this eff stat or do you calculate it yourself? Im struggling to find it.

I use a system that isn't available to the general public, but I'm pretty sure those are available on NBA.com's stat page if you dig around a bit.

Ah, but obviously just because a player has a higher Eff than another player does not mean that they are better.

[Granath]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

(I can't believe I'm saying this...)

I'm going to stick up for Lar on this one a bit. If someone claims that the 76ers couldn't get a late first for Okafor then I'm going to say they're trolling. That's absurd. So he's overreacting - as usual - to someone else's overreaction.

No, he's not as good as Lar claims. No Philadelphia player ever is. We all need to remember that Lar staked his claim that Hinkie was some kind of genius and Lar's simply not mentally able to admit that he's wrong. At the same time, telling him that Okafor is worth a 2nd rounder is just poking the bear and there's no use in complaining when it growls back. In this case Lar's right. Okafor is worth a decent pick. Not top 3. Not top 5. But late lottery? Heck yeah.

[wayupnorth]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  He's outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

I was clearly referring to the bolded text.

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.

why did you write that in your post?

Because some people here seem to think very highly of Kyler's opinion and that's his most recent comments on this evolving situation:  https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528715772329984

Speaking of "sell high moments', I interpreted Kyler's comments as follows...

You know how people here are willing to trade Smart + Jaylen + Both Brooklyn 1sts for Cousins?  Well given DeMarcus' reputation as a loose cannon and his upcoming 200 million dollar contract, you have to figure Joel Embiid has more trade value.   I may be wrong, but I think Kyler might have been suggesting that Philly should use this sell high moment to move Embiid for a giant package and build around Simmons and Noel.   It actually might not be a bad idea if you think Embiid's either going to regress or re-injure himself.  The Sixers have a sell high moment here.  Nobody would expect it.   What do you think?

it is beyond obvious that Kyler meant Simmons/Embiid. I dont understand your insistence on being an ass.

TP.

it gets really old, really fast.

It is the definition of trolling.

Oh god, relax. Take a joke. Those posters were attempting to use Kyler as a legit source to back their own arguments. They underestimated how much of an idiot Kyler is. Kyler made a mistake, Labrrd jumped in and took advantage.

Lesson to you posters, use capable writers next time you need something to backup your claim. Or else you'll feel the wrath of Larry Legend.

It is him intentionally trying to get a rise out of other posters.

That is trolling, and not funny, considering it ruins quite a few threads on this board.

[LarBrd33]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  He's outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

I was clearly referring to the bolded text.

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.

why did you write that in your post?

Because some people here seem to think very highly of Kyler's opinion and that's his most recent comments on this evolving situation:  https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528715772329984

Speaking of "sell high moments', I interpreted Kyler's comments as follows...

You know how people here are willing to trade Smart + Jaylen + Both Brooklyn 1sts for Cousins?  Well given DeMarcus' reputation as a loose cannon and his upcoming 200 million dollar contract, you have to figure Joel Embiid has more trade value.   I may be wrong, but I think Kyler might have been suggesting that Philly should use this sell high moment to move Embiid for a giant package and build around Simmons and Noel.   It actually might not be a bad idea if you think Embiid's either going to regress or re-injure himself.  The Sixers have a sell high moment here.  Nobody would expect it.   What do you think?

it is beyond obvious that Kyler meant Simmons/Embiid. I dont understand your insistence on being an ass.

TP.

it gets really old, really fast.

It is the definition of trolling.

Oh god, relax. Take a joke. Those posters were attempting to use Kyler as a legit source to back their own arguments. They underestimated how much of an idiot Kyler is. Kyler made a mistake, Labrrd jumped in and took advantage.

Lesson to you posters, use capable writers next time you need something to backup your claim. Or else you'll feel the wrath of Larry Legend.

It is him intentionally trying to get a rise out of other posters.

That is trolling, and not funny, considering it ruins quite a few threads on this board.

I think most people here take me about as seriously as I take Steve Kyler when he calls Noel and Simmons the two untradeable stars on the 76ers.   I thought it was funny.   This forum needs some jokesters like Steve Kyler every once in a while.

[LarBrd33]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

Just offensively, right?

That team is a bad fit for him, but there's actually been some write-ups suggesting Okafor's defense has improved this year - as crazy as that sounds. 

I can't speak for the rest of the 2016 draft.  It's been pretty dreadful.  Have you noticed any Marcus Smarts who are impacting the game without stats?  I haven't noticed any.  I'm purely talking about basic statistical impact.  Okafor has outperformed everyone in the 2016 draft this season despite the limited minutes.

Honestly the level of statistical production from the 2016 draftees has been pretty pathetic so far. 

Okafor 11.26 EFF

2016 Draftee rankings

#1 - Malcolm Brogdon - 11.0 EFF
#2 - Brandon Ingram - 7.95 EFF
#3 - Buddy Hield - 7.50 EFF
#4 - Domantas Sabonis - 7.30 EFF
#5 - Pascal Siakam - 7.11 EFF
#6 - Cheick Diallo - 7.00 EFF
#7 - Jamal Murray - 6.97 EFF
#8 - Caris LeVert - 6.94 EFF
#9 - Marques Chriss - 6.90 EFF
#10 - Isaiah Whitehead - 6.84 EFF

Jaylen is outside the top 20 with an EFF of 4.50

So at least statistically, one could make the case that Okafor is outplaying everyone drafted this year.   Hence why i think the idea of him not being worth a late 1st completely laughable even if some folks here can't find humor in it.

[Vox_Populi]

I think the last time EFF was used to seriously critique players seriously was 2005. It might honestly be worse than PER. At least PER accounts for pace and has a slight team and league adjustment. It's still terrible too though.

[Ilikesports17]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

(I can't believe I'm saying this...)

I'm going to stick up for Lar on this one a bit. If someone claims that the 76ers couldn't get a late first for Okafor then I'm going to say they're trolling. That's absurd. So he's overreacting - as usual - to someone else's overreaction.

No, he's not as good as Lar claims. No Philadelphia player ever is. We all need to remember that Lar staked his claim that Hinkie was some kind of genius and Lar's simply not mentally able to admit that he's wrong. At the same time, telling him that Okafor is worth a 2nd rounder is just poking the bear and there's no use in complaining when it growls back.

you fell prey to a classic LarBrd misdirection, Granath.

In my post, I bolded this quote:

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team

LarBrd unbolded the quote and responded as if Id questioned his entire post.

[LarBrd33]

I think the last time EFF was used to seriously critique players seriously was 2005. It might honestly be worse than PER. At least PER accounts for pace and has a slight team and league adjustment.

Yeah i get that.  It's a very simplistic equation that just adds up points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks and subtracts missed shots and turnovers.   It's a quick-glance look at who is impacting the box score.  So in other words, it's the kind of quick-glance stat we use to label Westbrook and Harden's seasons "unbelievable" (all them triple doubles)... and the kind of quick-glance stat people use as their argument for why Thomas is a "superstar" (he has high scoring numbers)...  And is generally the kind of quick-glance stat people use to see which rookies are putting up numbers.

Okafor is putting up more numbers than anyone in the 2016 draft.  Partially because this 2016 draft class is putting up dreadful numbers.  It is what it is.

[LarBrd33]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

(I can't believe I'm saying this...)

I'm going to stick up for Lar on this one a bit. If someone claims that the 76ers couldn't get a late first for Okafor then I'm going to say they're trolling. That's absurd. So he's overreacting - as usual - to someone else's overreaction.

No, he's not as good as Lar claims. No Philadelphia player ever is. We all need to remember that Lar staked his claim that Hinkie was some kind of genius and Lar's simply not mentally able to admit that he's wrong. At the same time, telling him that Okafor is worth a 2nd rounder is just poking the bear and there's no use in complaining when it growls back.

you fell prey to a classic LarBrd misdirection, Granath.

In my post, I bolded this quote:

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team

LarBrd unbolded the quote and responded as if Id questioned his entire post.

For what it's worth, it seems like most people here think Steve Kyler made a typo.  I don't know Steve Kyler personally and I don't know whether or not he made a typo or genuinely was saying Philly should use a sell high moment to trade Embiid and build around Noel and SImmons.   But either way, I think it's pretty clear this is an evolving situation that changes daily.   Today, Noel came out and said he's very pleased with his role on Philly right now.  A couple weeks ago, he seemed to be the odd man out.  Now it appears Okafor is the odd man out.   Philly has gone 4-1 in games Embiid played and Noel got at least 11 minutes.  Noel's trade value seemingly has rebounded after hitting rock bottom.   Meanwhile Okafor is getting DNP's.   That's where we are right now, but who knows how their trade value will fluctuate heading into the trade deadline.  It's very up in the air right now.

[Ilikesports17]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

Just offensively, right?

That team is a bad fit for him, but there's actually been some write-ups suggesting Okafor's defense has improved this year - as crazy as that sounds. 

I can't speak for the rest of the 2016 draft.  It's been pretty dreadful.  Have you noticed any Marcus Smarts who are impacting the game without stats?  I haven't noticed any.  I'm purely talking about basic statistical impact.  Okafor has outperformed everyone in the 2016 draft this season despite the limited minutes.

Honestly the level of statistical production from the 2016 draftees has been pretty pathetic so far. 

Okafor 11.26 EFF

2016 Draftee rankings

#1 - Malcolm Brogdon - 11.0 EFF
#2 - Brandon Ingram - 7.95 EFF
#3 - Buddy Hield - 7.50 EFF
#4 - Domantas Sabonis - 7.30 EFF
#5 - Pascal Siakam - 7.11 EFF
#6 - Cheick Diallo - 7.00 EFF
#7 - Jamal Murray - 6.97 EFF
#8 - Caris LeVert - 6.94 EFF
#9 - Marques Chriss - 6.90 EFF
#10 - Isaiah Whitehead - 6.84 EFF

Jaylen is outside the top 20 with an EFF of 4.50

So at least statistically, one could make the case that Okafor is outplaying everyone drafted this year.   Hence why i think the idea of him not being worth a late 1st completely laughable even if some folks here can't find humor in it.

you yourself have noted that this past years draft was pathetic. This years is supposed to be rather good.

Also, you have agreed that Eff doesnt accurately rank players because Isaiah Thomas comes in nearly 4 points above Al Horford and you say Horford is better.

So you rank players that arent relevant with a metric you know to be flawed. Nice.

[LarBrd33]

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's obviously not true.

How is it obviously not true. This is what people have been saying for a long time (including 76ers fans) and you refuse to accept it.

The 76ers fans commenting that don't genuinely believe it.  And neither do you.   It's like someone here frustrated that Jaylen Brown doesn't get minutes and saying "he's probably not even worth a 2nd rounder at this point".

Okafor was was selected 1st-Team All-Rookie and his Per minute numbers this season actually show improvement.  If he could be had for a late 1st rounder, a team like Boston would already have him.  He's on the second year of a rookie contract and it's highly, highly improbable that the guy selected with the late 1st will be anywhere near the quality of prospect as Okafor.

Ya'll are just being hyperbolic.

Does per minute mean much though...when you are playing less?

His per 100 possessions show a downward trend...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okafoja01.html


I would give up a non-top10 projected pick...but that's because I'm intrigued...not because I'm convinced he'd live up to being a top 3 pick.

What's interesting is that his averages this season of 10.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.1 blocks in 22.4mpg (11.29EFF) statistically put him slightly ahead of Malcolm Brogdon this season (11.00 EFF).  As we all know, 24 year old Malcolm Brogdon is the darling of the 2016 draft and would be frontrunner for Rookie of the Year if it weren't for 2014 draftees Embiid and Saric.   

So in other words, Jahlil Okafor is arguably outperforming every single 2016 draftee this season.  That lends credibility to the draftniks suggestion that Okafor was a better prospect than anyone available at #3 this year.  If these were Okafor's rookie numbers, he'd be just a hair above Malcolm Brogdon for Rookie of the Year frontrunner despite the fact 21 year old Okafor literally 3 years younger than Brogdon.   Go figure.

Now of course, the DNP's hurt Okafor's hypothetical bid for 2016-17 Rookie of the Year, but there's obviously some extraordinary circumstances at play there.  He's currently playing behind the transcendent Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team.  Philly is obviously trying to experiment right now with different rotations.

why are you like this?

It's a response to the idea that Philly couldn't get a late 1st for Okafor.  That's clearly not true.  This Summer many in the media called him better than any 2016 prospect available outside of Ben Simmons and maybe Brandon Ingram.  We're well into the season and despite having to share minutes with two other great centers, he's still outperforming every 2016 draftee this season.

Just offensively, right?

That team is a bad fit for him, but there's actually been some write-ups suggesting Okafor's defense has improved this year - as crazy as that sounds. 

I can't speak for the rest of the 2016 draft.  It's been pretty dreadful.  Have you noticed any Marcus Smarts who are impacting the game without stats?  I haven't noticed any.  I'm purely talking about basic statistical impact.  Okafor has outperformed everyone in the 2016 draft this season despite the limited minutes.

Honestly the level of statistical production from the 2016 draftees has been pretty pathetic so far. 

Okafor 11.26 EFF

2016 Draftee rankings

#1 - Malcolm Brogdon - 11.0 EFF
#2 - Brandon Ingram - 7.95 EFF
#3 - Buddy Hield - 7.50 EFF
#4 - Domantas Sabonis - 7.30 EFF
#5 - Pascal Siakam - 7.11 EFF
#6 - Cheick Diallo - 7.00 EFF
#7 - Jamal Murray - 6.97 EFF
#8 - Caris LeVert - 6.94 EFF
#9 - Marques Chriss - 6.90 EFF
#10 - Isaiah Whitehead - 6.84 EFF

Jaylen is outside the top 20 with an EFF of 4.50

So at least statistically, one could make the case that Okafor is outplaying everyone drafted this year.   Hence why i think the idea of him not being worth a late 1st completely laughable even if some folks here can't find humor in it.

you yourself have noted that this past years draft was pathetic. This years is supposed to be rather good.

Also, you have agreed that Eff doesnt accurately rank players because Isaiah Thomas comes in nearly 4 points above Al Horford and you say Horford is better.

So you rank players that arent relevant with a metric you know to be flawed. Nice.

Excellent point.  So if what we read about this draft is true and the guys who went 3-8 this year (Dunn, Murray, Hield, Jaylen, Bender, Chriss) would be more like the 11-16 picks in the 2017 draft... I could see you making a case that Okafor is only worth a late lotto pick in the 2017 draft.  But suggesting Philly can't get a late 1st for him is obviously ridiculous. 

[Granath]

you fell prey to a classic LarBrd misdirection, Granath.

In my post, I bolded this quote:

Nerlens Noel - a center that Steve Kyler calls one of the two "stars" on the team

LarBrd unbolded the quote and responded as if Id questioned his entire post.

Actually, I didn't. This whole thing started with jpotter's post of:

The rise and fall of Okafor:

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/01/13/okafor/

Apparently, they can't even get a late first round pick for him now.

That's what set him off and Lar responded directly to that. Then celticsclay tried to say that jpotter's post was true. That's what started this thing. And, in this case, Lar's right. Now when people started arguing about it, he (as usual) went off to the Funny Farm and what I call "minutia world" in where Lar misuses statistics to try to prove a point. That's to be expected. That's what he does.

But in response to the above absurd statement, Lar's right. Okafor is worth more than a late first and if he could be had for that he'd have been gobbled up already.