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Title: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Eddie20 on January 09, 2013, 11:01:59 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_cavaliers_center_and.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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"I'm still trying to be very optimistic that he'll be able to play, I just don't know when," Scott said. "I miss him every day. But I'm hoping I'm not talking like it's long-term or for the season, or anything like that. I'm still optimistic that he'll be able to play this year until the doctors tell me something different."


If he does have a quad tear as Brazilian media has reported, then the Cavs just failed to sell high...again. They could've had Amare, but balked when Phoenix wanted Hickson.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Birdman on January 09, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Ouch!!! Seems like Varejo always has a injury
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Donoghus on January 09, 2013, 11:05:37 AM
That's awful news.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Who on January 09, 2013, 11:07:02 AM
Again? My god. That injury-prone tag is going to be hard to shift now.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Who on January 09, 2013, 11:08:40 AM
On the plus side, this is good news for Cleveland. Losing Varejao will cost them pointless victories and help them improve their lottery position.

They should be a near-certainty for another top five pick now.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Birdman on January 09, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
On the plus side, this is good news for Cleveland. Losing Varejao will cost them pointless victories and help them improve their lottery position.

They should be a near-certainty for another top five pick now.
Who are top 5 pick in this year draft anyways? I just dont see a superstar..maybe Shabazz mohamend
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Fafnir on January 09, 2013, 11:12:51 AM
I don't believe that the Cavs passed on Amar'e for Hickson, I think Suns passed on that trade.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Fafnir on January 09, 2013, 11:16:38 AM
Again? My god. That injury-prone tag is going to be hard to shift now.
Yeah, that's four years in a row now right?

In 09-10 he was hobbled and couldn't play big minutes versus the C's irrc. (only 23 MPG compared to 30 MPG in 08-09) Though he lasted the whole regular season just fine that year,.

Since then he has played 31 games, 25 games, and 25 games.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
I heard 6-8 weeks.  Which puts it really close to the trade deadline (which is about 6 weeks away I believe). 

At the very least, his trade value just took a huge hit. 

I am a little relieved actually.  I was afraid Danny would panic and pay a premium for Varajao, and then have him miss key parts of the playoff run. 
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: action781 on January 09, 2013, 11:34:48 AM
On the plus side, this is good news for Cleveland. Losing Varejao will cost them pointless victories and help them improve their lottery position.

They should be a near-certainty for another top five pick now.
Who are top 5 pick in this year draft anyways? I just dont see a superstar..maybe Shabazz mohamend

They may not need a superstar, per se, since they already have Irving.  They just need to continue building around him and hope that 2 of Zeller, Waiters, Thompson, and next year's pick blossom into very good players.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
If he does have a quad tear as Brazilian media has reported, then the Cavs just failed to sell high...again. They could've had Amare, but balked when Phoenix wanted Hickson.

Bolded is why I never blame LeBron for leaving.  They didn't do it and then they didn't play Hickson, who was playing very well for them, at all in the playoffs.  Joke.  Absolutely ridiculous.


Anyways,

Yes.  Should have traded him high.  He's a good player of course but he's the type of player that doesn't help this team much.  Might as well give Zeller and Thompson as much PT as possible and tank for lotto picks.


On the plus side, this is good news for Cleveland. Losing Varejao will cost them pointless victories and help them improve their lottery position.

They should be a near-certainty for another top five pick now.
Who are top 5 pick in this year draft anyways? I just dont see a superstar..maybe Shabazz mohamend

Cody Zeller should be a top pick. His game will translate very well to the NBA, where PGs know how to get a big the ball.

If you had both the Zeller brothers you would have some of the most mobile bigs in the NBA.  Legit 7 footers too.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 09, 2013, 11:38:10 AM
Bolded is why I never blame LeBron for leaving.
I just blame him for the unnecessary dog-and-pony show.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 11:38:31 AM
Bolded is why I never blame LeBron for leaving.
I just blame him for the unnecessary dog-and-pony show.

Yeah we are totally in agreement there.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 09, 2013, 12:00:03 PM
Good news is this means one less player that we have to read about bogus trade rumors for.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: PhoSita on January 09, 2013, 12:04:26 PM
As others have said, this will help Cleveland tank for much needed talent.

However, it's a shame to see a guy who was playing so well miss the rest of the season.  He could have been a major factor for some team in the post-season if the Cavs finally traded him.  And the Cavs could have gotten some decent value for him by selling high.

Definitely seemed like Sideshow is injury prone though.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 09, 2013, 12:16:18 PM
Did cleveland really need help tanking? Seems like they were doing a fine job with Varejao doing that.

Also I don't think Varejao has ever really been healthy. Just look at the numbers. Especially given the low amount of.minutes he has played.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 09, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
His value will never be what it was this past season. Blown opportunity for Cleveland.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 09, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
His value will never be what it was this past season. Blown opportunity for Cleveland.

YUp...glade DA didn't panic , maybe he can still be had as alot cheaper down the road.

Long as its not an ACL ..he'll be back and probally strong as ever.   
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Who on January 09, 2013, 12:25:47 PM
Did cleveland really need help tanking? Seems like they were doing a fine job with Varejao doing that.
It really is shocking that team with Kyrie + Varejao isn't winning more games.

Their supporting cast is absolutely atrocious but you'd still think a team with those two should get the team more wins than they have been able to get. Underperforming.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
Did cleveland really need help tanking? Seems like they were doing a fine job with Varejao doing that.
It really is shocking that team with Kyrie + Varejao isn't winning more games.

Their supporting cast is absolutely atrocious but you'd still think a team with those two should get the team more wins than they have been able to get. Underperforming.

Me too.  Although as we have seen with the C's, talent isn't everything.  There needs to be chemistry and something to pull the team together.  Even with the talent Cleveland has, they have looked like a bunch of guys playing in a pickup game or something. 
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: slamtheking on January 09, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
reduces Sideshow Bob's trade value but probably drives up Gortat's value as the other primary center supposedly on the market
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 12:49:11 PM
Am I th only one who think he isnt injuried?
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Fafnir on January 09, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
Did cleveland really need help tanking? Seems like they were doing a fine job with Varejao doing that.
It really is shocking that team with Kyrie + Varejao isn't winning more games.

Their supporting cast is absolutely atrocious but you'd still think a team with those two should get the team more wins than they have been able to get. Underperforming.
I read a breakdown on Fear the Sword about how they are truly awful at transition defense, even when they have players in position.

I wonder if overall coaching and details like that are unravelling them.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
Am I the only one who think he isnt injuried?

This arent injuried man stats to me

2012-13   CLE   25   36:00 mpg    47.8FG 75.5 FT          14.4 REBOUNDS    14.1 PPG

and every game he comes back he grab like 20 rebounds then 14 then 10 then 8 ( demotivated )
maybe   
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
Am I th only one who think he isnt injuried?

Probably.  Not sure why he would fake surgery.  It really hurts the team, because they lose their key trade asset and their second best player, and doesn't help him much either, but solidifying his reputation as an injury prone player.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Snakehead on January 09, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Am I th only one who think he isnt injuried?

Yeah.  What would the reason be?
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Jeff on January 09, 2013, 12:55:55 PM
Cavs should have traded him while they could - too bad for him and them
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
Am I th only one who think he isnt injuried?

Probably.  Not sure why he would fake surgery.  It really hurts the team, because they lose their key trade asset and their second best player, and doesn't help him much either, but solidifying his reputation as an injury prone player.

I get this.... but why to play?
they are not winning with or without him
hes probably resting an old injury only
I could not blame him for that
see Pierce/elbow
then come back to be in a championship contender next year.
I mean why not
he always deliver BIG in international competitions too during summer.
He will find his value on the open market.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: JSD on January 09, 2013, 12:56:35 PM
Varejao To Undergo Surgery On Right Knee, Miss 6-8 Weeks

Realgm.com
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Chris on January 09, 2013, 01:00:55 PM
Am I th only one who think he isnt injuried?

Probably.  Not sure why he would fake surgery.  It really hurts the team, because they lose their key trade asset and their second best player, and doesn't help him much either, but solidifying his reputation as an injury prone player.

I get this.... but why to play?
they are not winning with or without him
hes probably resting an old injury only
I could not blame him for that
see Pierce/elbow
then come back to be in a championship contender next year.
I mean why not
he always deliver BIG in international competitions too during summer.
He will find his value on the open market.

Well, he isn't a free agent.  He is locked up for a couple years in Cleveland.  So, if he wants to go to a contender, continuing to perform leading up to the trade deadline, so a contender would pay up for him, was his best chance. 
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: 2short on January 09, 2013, 05:48:31 PM
reduces Sideshow Bob's trade value but probably drives up Gortat's value as the other primary center supposedly on the market
Tp
Any possible available centers just got a bit more expensive
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 09, 2013, 05:58:20 PM
I wonder if someone would still deal for him even though he is injured...
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 09, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
I wonder if someone would still deal for him even though he is injured...

DA would...he risked Shaq , and all those old players ,  DA would , he likes deals like this ....Maybe he can get 2-3 really good years left in the guy.  He'd gamble. For a decent price. 
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 09, 2013, 09:29:32 PM
If he starts out next season playing completely healthy and just as well as he has been in the past few seasons (when healthy), his trade value will probably be the same.  It's not like this injury means he should be evaluated as more injury-prone than he has been in the past.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Edgar on January 11, 2013, 01:29:06 AM
well It wasnt that false

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/01/10/cavaliers-varejao-surgery.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Who on January 12, 2013, 03:07:41 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: hpantazo on January 12, 2013, 03:11:30 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Wow, Jordan and Bledsoe? So basically the Cavs don't really want to trade Varejao.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 12, 2013, 03:16:02 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Wow, Jordan and Bledsoe? So basically the Cavs don't really want to trade Varejao.

While I think AV is very good and worth a good amount when healthy... that's ludicrous!
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: PhoSita on January 12, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Yeah, that's asking for two really valuable young players for a 30 year old with injury issues who has been an energy guy most of his career, albeit a very productive one. 

Definitely a crazy asking price.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Eddie20 on January 12, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Yeah, that's asking for two really valuable young players for a 30 year old with injury issues who has been an energy guy most of his career, albeit a very productive one. 

Definitely a crazy asking price.

And that's why the Cavs are the Cavs. Jordan would've been more than fair value.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Roy H. on January 12, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Yeah, that's asking for two really valuable young players for a 30 year old with injury issues who has been an energy guy most of his career, albeit a very productive one. 

Definitely a crazy asking price.

And that's why the Cavs are the Cavs. Jordan would've been more than fair value.

First, it's Vecsey, so it's probably unreliable.

Second, Varejao is significantly better than Jordan.  I don't blame them for asking for a lot in their opening offer, with the idea that they'd be flexible.  If you put your best offer on the table initially, there's no room for negotiation.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 21, 2013, 12:34:27 PM
Anderson Varejao recently developed a blood clot in his lung and is out for the season.
A bad break gets worse for Varejao, who is now officially done for the season, according to the Cavs. Varejao just had surgery for a small split in his right quad, and he is expected to remain at the Cleveland Clinic to be treated and monitored. The good news is that he's expected to make a full recovery. This locks Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller in as the starting frontcourt for the remainder of the season. Thompson is averaging 10.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 0.8 steals and 0.7 blocks as the starting power forward, while Zeller is averaging 10.3 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.6 blocks as the starting center.

Source: NBA.com Jan 21 - 11:12 AM
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 21, 2013, 02:02:46 PM
He's done.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: slamtheking on January 21, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
as much as I despise Sideshow Bob for his time with Bron, I always respected his hustle (and would have loved to have him on our team).  hope he makes a full recovery.
Title: Re: Varejao out for the year?
Post by: scaryjerry on January 21, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
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Peter Vecsey reported this week that Cleveland told the Clippers it would take DeAndre Jordan and prized reserve guard Eric Bledsoe to get him.

Crazy asking price for Varejao. The Celtics never had a chance.

Yeah, that's asking for two really valuable young players for a 30 year old with injury issues who has been an energy guy most of his career, albeit a very productive one. 

Definitely a crazy asking price.

And that's why the Cavs are the Cavs. Jordan would've been more than fair value.

First, it's Vecsey, so it's probably unreliable.

Second, Varejao is significantly better than Jordan.  I don't blame them for asking for a lot in their opening offer, with the idea that they'd be flexible.  If you put your best offer on the table initially, there's no room for negotiation.

Significantly better?...mmmm rather have Jordan myself