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Title: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: positivitize on October 17, 2018, 04:18:43 PM
If I were the league and I wanted to promote the narrative of Celtics vs 76ers historic rivalry revival, would I make sure that the SAC pick goes #1 so that the 76ers can get another piece to close the gap?

I mean, what's better for the (rest of the) NBA? Giving the Celtics ANOTHER top selection (2-7) or miraculously gifting the 76ers another chance at a superstar to contend in the East?

For the sake of parity, will Silver intervene?
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: celticsclay on October 17, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
If I were the league and I wanted to promote the narrative of Celtics vs 76ers historic rivalry revival, would I make sure that the SAC pick goes #1 so that the 76ers can get another piece to close the gap?

I mean, what's better for the (rest of the) NBA? Giving the Celtics ANOTHER top selection (2-7) or miraculously gifting the 76ers another chance at a superstar to contend in the East?

For the sake of parity, will Silver intervene?

You could also make the argument that the league does not want to the 76ers to be successful because they are desperately trying to avoid widespread league tanking (see rule changes and fine last year to dallas, discussions with chicago). If I was going to get into a conspiracy theory I would find it easier to believe the league would be against philly rather than for them.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: slamtheking on October 17, 2018, 04:28:50 PM
If I were the league and I wanted to promote the narrative of Celtics vs 76ers historic rivalry revival, would I make sure that the SAC pick goes #1 so that the 76ers can get another piece to close the gap?

I mean, what's better for the (rest of the) NBA? Giving the Celtics ANOTHER top selection (2-7) or miraculously gifting the 76ers another chance at a superstar to contend in the East?

For the sake of parity, will Silver intervene?

You could also make the argument that the league does not want to the 76ers to be successful because they are desperately trying to avoid widespread league tanking (see rule changes and fine last year to dallas, discussions with chicago). If I was going to get into a conspiracy theory I would find it easier to believe the league would be against philly rather than for them.
would have to agree with this if there were indeed a conspiracy surrounding that pick. 
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: footey on October 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Silver is a smart guy. And as far as I know has integrity (see his handling of Sterling mess).

Any effort to rig the lottery would send him to jail if caught. To many hands involved not to get caught.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: positivitize on October 17, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
If I were the league and I wanted to promote the narrative of Celtics vs 76ers historic rivalry revival, would I make sure that the SAC pick goes #1 so that the 76ers can get another piece to close the gap?

I mean, what's better for the (rest of the) NBA? Giving the Celtics ANOTHER top selection (2-7) or miraculously gifting the 76ers another chance at a superstar to contend in the East?

For the sake of parity, will Silver intervene?

You could also make the argument that the league does not want to the 76ers to be successful because they are desperately trying to avoid widespread league tanking (see rule changes and fine last year to dallas, discussions with chicago). If I was going to get into a conspiracy theory I would find it easier to believe the league would be against philly rather than for them.

I guess. I mean, yeah that makes sense. Still, there's big bucks to be made from a slugfest between two historic eastern conference rivals. And it's pretty clear that rivalry hasn't manifested in the way it would need to in order to bring in the big $$

I get wanting to punish tankers, but money talks. The league has been talking a lot about parity lately with GSW, and giving the C's another top pick destroys any "parity" in the east...
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: positivitize on October 17, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
Silver is a smart guy. And as far as I know has integrity (see his handling of Sterling mess).

Any effort to rig the lottery would send him to jail if caught. To many hands involved not to get caught.

yeah. I'm sure you're right.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: wiley on October 17, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
There will be more money is making the Celtics good enough to go 7 games with Golden State,
or LA Lakers with Leonard added, or Houston...
than making it about Philly verses Boston..
I promise you a pick between 2 and 5 :)
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Erik on October 17, 2018, 04:44:13 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: positivitize on October 17, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 17, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
Even should the Sixers get it, I would not trust on them nailing the pick.  Word of advice, don't worry about things you cannot control.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2018, 06:06:23 PM
If Silver is smart, he’d set the Celts up as a dominant team. Leagues thrice on villains, and rival fan bases love to hate the Celts.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on October 17, 2018, 06:15:39 PM
I'd love for that pick to end up 2-7...

BOS is FINALLY starting to have things pan out OUR WAY...

Lost Bias.

Lost Reggie.

Lost out on the Tim Duncan sweepstakes.

Endured the Lean Years.

Got Pierce some help in KG and Ray, BUT these two were later in their careers and our window was closing the MINUTE they got to BOS..

KG comes up limping during that visit to Utah in 09, and I knew right there that something was wrong...

Got Shaq in 2010-11 but man couldn't stay healthy. We were dominant while he was healthy, though.

If we do end up with that SAC pick 2-7 I will NOT bat an eye and I'll trust Danny Ainge and CBS to do their thing and continue to make this team stronger.

We are due. It's our time, FINALLY.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 17, 2018, 06:26:40 PM
what are fans supposed to do... root for SAC to win as much as possible to have the best chance of avoiding a worst case scenario?  :D
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: GreenShooter on October 19, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.
Zion is not exactly a typical wing player but yeah, it might be until Charles Bassey when we see the first big come off the board. There's currently no PG's that look like a top 10 pick either. There's some good potential though and I wouldn't necessarily punt on this draft pick. Reddish, Barrett, Little, Zion, Langford and Sekou could all turn out to be all-stars. It's like complaining about having to pick from Adriana Lima, Megan Fox or Miranda Kerr when you really want a hot blonde.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 19, 2018, 02:14:30 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.

There's a good chance if the pick is high that we're either trading the pick or trading one of our wings. Agree that we're not adding a 4th top wing to the mix, as much as that'd be a good problem to have.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Donoghus on October 19, 2018, 02:34:55 PM
Good thing the lottery isn't rigged, then.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: slamtheking on October 19, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.

There's a good chance if the pick is high that we're either trading the pick or trading one of our wings. Agree that we're not adding a 4th top wing to the mix, as much as that'd be a good problem to have.
agreed.  it'd more than likely be offered as a significant trade chip for Davis next offseason. 

not sure of the timing between that and when Kyrie can sign his next contract for the max but I wouldn't be surprised to see Danny coordinate with NO to pick who they want so that they can be shipped out with Brown and possibly Smart/Rozier for salary purposes (Smart's deal helps cover financial ground) right after Kyrie resigns to get Davis if NO sucks this year and he wants out.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: SparzWizard on October 19, 2018, 03:12:28 PM
I mean 2014 was very questionable. Cavs with the #1 pick lol.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Donoghus on October 19, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
I mean 2014 was very questionable. Cavs with the #1 pick lol.

Obviously, there have been some eyebrow raising events over the years but it would be nearly impossible to carry out a rigged lottery conspiracy.  There would be way too many people involved in the parts to make it work.  Plus you have a public accounting firm overseeing the events.   Both the NBA and Ernst & Young have way, way, way too much at stake to undergo a rigging of a lottery.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: nickagneta on October 19, 2018, 03:30:37 PM
The lottery is run and certified by the accounting firm of Ernst and Young. It occurs behind closed doors with all teams represented watching the entire process. The draft can't get rigged.

As for the Celtics pick, this draft isn't nearly as strong as the last few drafts have been. I could easily see the C's trading their Sac pick and others plus players for a star. Or maybe they package a bunch of picks to get RJ Barrett, have Smart be the bench PG, let Rozier walk and develop Barrett as the back up SG.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 19, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
It would be sad to lose the pick but not a killer, Tatum straight up was a huge get, we'd also get a first from Philly, not going to be good but it's an add on. IMO any pick is gravy.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: positivitize on October 19, 2018, 05:03:18 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.

There's a good chance if the pick is high that we're either trading the pick or trading one of our wings. Agree that we're not adding a 4th top wing to the mix, as much as that'd be a good problem to have.

I'm not sure there's a trade I want to make besides for AD (or a S&T with Terry).

Most Trades would require us to send out salary, and we don't have a player + contract we could send out to get value for a top pick. Really, if we do trade our #2 pick and a player, who are we targeting to get back (if not AD)? Would we ever get value for #2 + Hayward or #2 + Smart? I doubt it.

Maybe if there's a good shooter we could try to come away from this draft with our 2-guard of the future.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: GreenEnvy on October 19, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
If Silver is smart, he’d set the Celts up as a dominant team. Leagues thrice on villains, and rival fan bases love to hate the Celts.

Agreed, Celtics are easy to hate as they are such a successful franchise. Problem is, this team is very likeable. Smart, Morris, and possibly Kyrie (for how he handled his ending in Cleveland) are the only guys I can see being disliked by other fans.

This team was put together through a series of shrewd trades and great drafting. I know people like to discredit Ainge for swindling an (in their eyes) incompetent Billy King, but he still had to hit on those picks (and use another pick to get Kyrie).

Will be interesting to see who fans root for if we get Celtics vs Warriors Finals.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: nickagneta on October 19, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.

There's a good chance if the pick is high that we're either trading the pick or trading one of our wings. Agree that we're not adding a 4th top wing to the mix, as much as that'd be a good problem to have.

I'm not sure there's a trade I want to make besides for AD (or a S&T with Terry).

Most Trades would require us to send out salary, and we don't have a player + contract we could send out to get value for a top pick. Really, if we do trade our #2 pick and a player, who are we targeting to get back (if not AD)? Would we ever get value for #2 + Hayward or #2 + Smart? I doubt it.

Maybe if there's a good shooter we could try to come away from this draft with our 2-guard of the future.
Isn't Jaylen Brown at age 22 our SG of the future?
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: Moranis on October 19, 2018, 06:05:52 PM
I mean 2014 was very questionable. Cavs with the #1 pick lol.
With the Clippers pick.  Their own pick fell to 4th despite being a bottom 2 team.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2018, 06:57:28 PM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.

There's a good chance if the pick is high that we're either trading the pick or trading one of our wings. Agree that we're not adding a 4th top wing to the mix, as much as that'd be a good problem to have.

I'm not sure there's a trade I want to make besides for AD (or a S&T with Terry).

Most Trades would require us to send out salary, and we don't have a player + contract we could send out to get value for a top pick. Really, if we do trade our #2 pick and a player, who are we targeting to get back (if not AD)? Would we ever get value for #2 + Hayward or #2 + Smart? I doubt it.

Maybe if there's a good shooter we could try to come away from this draft with our 2-guard of the future.
Isn't Jaylen Brown at age 22 our SG of the future?
You’d suspect so. A long-term project to take Hayward’s spot (cough, Zion) would be the way I’d try and go. Or Barrett if we lose Rozier, as he’s a very strong ball-handler and playmaker.

No bigs I’m really interested in besides Nazreon Reid - Bol looks like he can’t be bothered.
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: bopna on October 19, 2018, 08:10:47 PM
Good thing the lottery isn't rigged, then.

Never was and never will be. Even our owner Wyc made sure of that by witnessing the KD sweepstakes and lost. Just the bounce of the balls. How will Silver rig the thing anyway with every team having representatives in that tiny room..
Title: Re: A horrible thought about our SAC pick.
Post by: JBcat on October 20, 2018, 06:57:42 AM
You know how I know that the NBA lottery isn't rigged?

The last time that the Knicks won it was in 1985. The NBA would love nothing more than the Knicks to be a winner, financially speaking. It's the largest NBA market and one of the worst teams -- the most potential swing. Imagine how much extra revenue they'd get if their largest market had a good team?

Maybe I should start worrying that all the top players are wings instead of worrying that we wont get the pick.

Our wing spot is loaded. Not sure where we'd find the minutes for another natural 3.
Zion is not exactly a typical wing player but yeah, it might be until Charles Bassey when we see the first big come off the board. There's currently no PG's that look like a top 10 pick either. There's some good potential though and I wouldn't necessarily punt on this draft pick. Reddish, Barrett, Little, Zion, Langford and Sekou could all turn out to be all-stars. It's like complaining about having to pick from Adriana Lima, Megan Fox or Miranda Kerr when you really want a hot blonde.

It’s not like Marcus Morris is long for this team, and Smart or Rozier are easily tradeable as well.  If we drafted a wing that player could easily take up some of those minutes to start his career.

Longer term Hayward will be 30 in a couple years, and it’s not a guarantee he will be here long term.  Even if he is continue to start 3 wings, with one of them bring off the bench as a 6th man.   You could even have lineups with all 4 in at the same time.