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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: the_gunner on January 27, 2018, 02:59:30 PM
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With the rumours of Leonard wanting to leave The Spurs due to problems with the treatment of his injury
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out)
I think we should just for fun discuss if we can come up with an interesting trade for him.
Can we use our trade exception in some kind of creative deal?
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With the rumours of Leonard wanting to leave The Spurs due to problems with the treatment of his injury
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out)
I think we should just for fun discuss if we can come up with an interesting trade for him.
Can we use our trade exception in some kind of creative deal?
Trade exceptions cannot be used in 3 way trades. They can only be used to bring in a player that has one year left on their deal.
Also there's been discussions for this already, but I'll start by saying any Kawhi trade should be considered the same as any AD trade...
Untouchable for now, but Spurs certainly not going to start any negotiations without first starting off with the Lakers pick, (if it conveys) Brown, Rozier, and one of Memphis or Clippers pick.
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This has been discussed a ton on here. I doubt it's true, and even if there is some "tension", the Spurs are doing well without him and would understandably be legitimate contenders once he returned (along with Gay).
BUT... I'll play along.
Trade would have to be Morris, Brown, Rozier + Yabusele, then Lakers/Kings Pick + 2019 First Rounder, all for Kawhi Leonard.
Matching salaries is a bit difficult, and so you'd have to deal those 4 players (or Brown + Tatum + scraps, but Tatum should be untouchable IMHO unless it's for Greek Freak or Durant lol).
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This has been discussed a ton on here. I doubt it's true, and even if there is some "tension", the Spurs are doing well without him and would understandably be legitimate contenders once he returned (along with Gay).
BUT... I'll play along.
Trade would have to be Morris, Brown, Rozier + Yabusele, then Lakers/Kings Pick + 2019 First Rounder, all for Kawhi Leonard.
Matching salaries is a bit difficult, and so you'd have to deal those 4 players (or Brown + Tatum + scraps, but Tatum should be untouchable IMHO unless it's for Greek Freak or Durant lol).
I would do that trade 10 times out of 10...
See what Detroit would be interested in doing a S&T with picks or 3 way trade, and Ainge can re-sign any of our Bird Rights to match salaries to bring back Bradley.
Kyrie/Larkin/FA
AB/Smart
Leonard/Tatum
Tatum/Theis/FA
Horford/FA
My oh my, that would be an absolute dream of a lineup.
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I think Spurs need som big man presence so I would offer:
Morris
Smart
Baynes
Yabusele
Semi
And The Lakers-pick and The Clippers-pick
The Spurs would only do this if Kawdi is forcing his way out, but if he does that then we could be and interesting trade-partner.
After that I believe we should sign Nerlens Noel when he is bought out or we could take on Asik if that is necessary in a trade for AD.
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This has been discussed a ton on here. I doubt it's true, and even if there is some "tension", the Spurs are doing well without him and would understandably be legitimate contenders once he returned (along with Gay).
BUT... I'll play along.
Trade would have to be Morris, Brown, Rozier + Yabusele, then Lakers/Kings Pick + 2019 First Rounder, all for Kawhi Leonard.
Matching salaries is a bit difficult, and so you'd have to deal those 4 players (or Brown + Tatum + scraps, but Tatum should be untouchable IMHO unless it's for Greek Freak or Durant lol).
I would do that trade 10 times out of 10...
See what Detroit would be interested in doing a S&T with picks or 3 way trade, and Ainge can re-sign any of our Bird Rights to match salaries to bring back Bradley.
Kyrie/Larkin/FA
AB/Smart
Leonard/Tatum
Tatum/Theis/FA
Horford/FA
My oh my, that would be an absolute dream of a lineup.
You also left out Hayward, so I do not see any need of bringing Bradley back.
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Leonard not going anywhere
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Leonard not going anywhere
Nobody is saying that he is!
It is just a - what if debate we are having here!
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Popovich: I’ll be surprised if Kawhi returns this season #Spurs
https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/966450323681415168
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Yabu and Smart seems fair to me ;D
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I think kawhi will eventually ask for a trade
http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/313e228e-7eb2-4428-a987-abdc73b2249f
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Popovich will fix it.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
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Not a promising sign from Leonard that he has a problem with one of the greatest organizations in pro sports but he's a top 10 player
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Popovich will fix it.
CBS ....can fix it ;D
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Isn't Kawhi eligible for a designated veteran extension this offseason?
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pop gets a lot of credit that really should go more to duncan. nothing in san antonio happens without duncan. he's gone now and the real world is crashing down on pop. imho :)
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Popovich will fix it.
I think Pop, like Belichick, knows that he's the best. It is hard for them to remain humble without being stubborn. I assume that he will figure out a way to keep Kawhi in SA and decently happy. Unless he gets a ridiculous return, I imagine Pop knows that he needs his best player in his prime.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
Add the 76ers to that list. I really would hate to see Embiid with Leonard against us
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pop gets a lot of credit that really should go more to duncan. nothing in san antonio happens without duncan. he's gone now and the real world is crashing down on pop. imho :)
Duncan couldn't win without the players that pop put around him that others didn't find. And Pop has still been doing very well without Duncan or Kawhi.
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pop gets a lot of credit that really should go more to duncan. nothing in san antonio happens without duncan. he's gone now and the real world is crashing down on pop. imho :)
Couldn't agree more.
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Nobody knows what is going on between Kawhi and Spurs management which leaves us open to speculate.
I wonder if Kawhi is essentially pulling a "kyrie" here. Spurs are a competitive team in Pops system/culture, but with so many old players, maybe he doesn't see a chip in the near future.
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Just based on reports, I think he was low-key shopped at the deadline. I'm guessing that no team offered enough to make it worth their while. I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge hadn't called. He's the most available superstar right now. Davis might be soon.
Here's the thing: are we sure he's that good? I mean, I know this is heresy, but it's a legit question. Obviously he is a great defender. I think any team would be better with him defensively.
But offensively, are we sure he is that good? I know he is good, but is he an offensive superstar? He averaged 26 points a game one year in his career. That was the first year that he drew fouls at a high rate (over .4 FTR). He is not a great passer or ball-handler.
He dribbles a lot. He holds the ball a lot. He is not great at ball movement (which could be the product of the offense, or it could be Pop creating an offense around Leonard).
On top of that, he has been injury-prone in his career. You can't really play him at the 4 because you risk his getting injured with the physicality (a dirty secret is that the reason Pop moved to a two-big lineup with Leonard at the 3 is because he wanted to protect Leonard).
Let's just say that Leonard's success is, at least partiallly, due to the system. Let's say that in a normal NBA system as the first option, he would be a 20/5/2 player with elite defense.
Are we sure Brown isn't going to be that in two years? Is it worth trading Brown, plus depth, plus picks for that if Leonard isn't a significant upgrade in the long run? Some team looking to make some noise will trade for Leonard, but I'm not sure we should.
The team I wonder about is the Lakers. Isn't Leonard a California kid? The Lakers could give Ingram for Leonard (they will have cap space to absorb his contract) and then sign Lebron James. That would give the Spurs more youth and a valuable trade exception.
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Just based on reports, I think he was low-key shopped at the deadline. I'm guessing that no team offered enough to make it worth their while. I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge hadn't called. He's the most available superstar right now. Davis might be soon.
Here's the thing: are we sure he's that good? I mean, I know this is heresy, but it's a legit question. Obviously he is a great defender. I think any team would be better with him defensively.
But offensively, are we sure he is that good? I know he is good, but is he an offensive superstar? He averaged 26 points a game one year in his career. That was the first year that he drew fouls at a high rate (over .4 FTR). He is not a great passer or ball-handler.
He dribbles a lot. He holds the ball a lot. He is not great at ball movement (which could be the product of the offense, or it could be Pop creating an offense around Leonard).
On top of that, he has been injury-prone in his career. You can't really play him at the 4 because you risk his getting injured with the physicality (a dirty secret is that the reason Pop moved to a two-big lineup with Leonard at the 3 is because he wanted to protect Leonard).
Let's just say that Leonard's success is, at least partiallly, due to the system. Let's say that in a normal NBA system as the first option, he would be a 20/5/2 player with elite defense.
Are we sure Brown isn't going to be that in two years? Is it worth trading Brown, plus depth, plus picks for that if Leonard isn't a significant upgrade in the long run? Some team looking to make some noise will trade for Leonard, but I'm not sure we should.
The team I wonder about is the Lakers. Isn't Leonard a California kid? The Lakers could give Ingram for Leonard (they will have cap space to absorb his contract) and then sign Lebron James. That would give the Spurs more youth and a valuable trade exception.
Assuming there is high confidence Kawhi will fully recover from his current injury and that there is a good chance he'll re-sign, trading Brown, filler and the Lakings pick is a no brainer. Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Tatum and Horford would be a heck of a team. Kawhi wouldn't have to be the #1 scoring option every night.
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Just based on reports, I think he was low-key shopped at the deadline. I'm guessing that no team offered enough to make it worth their while. I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge hadn't called. He's the most available superstar right now. Davis might be soon.
Here's the thing: are we sure he's that good? I mean, I know this is heresy, but it's a legit question. Obviously he is a great defender. I think any team would be better with him defensively.
But offensively, are we sure he is that good? I know he is good, but is he an offensive superstar? He averaged 26 points a game one year in his career. That was the first year that he drew fouls at a high rate (over .4 FTR). He is not a great passer or ball-handler.
He dribbles a lot. He holds the ball a lot. He is not great at ball movement (which could be the product of the offense, or it could be Pop creating an offense around Leonard).
On top of that, he has been injury-prone in his career. You can't really play him at the 4 because you risk his getting injured with the physicality (a dirty secret is that the reason Pop moved to a two-big lineup with Leonard at the 3 is because he wanted to protect Leonard).
Let's just say that Leonard's success is, at least partiallly, due to the system. Let's say that in a normal NBA system as the first option, he would be a 20/5/2 player with elite defense.
Are we sure Brown isn't going to be that in two years? Is it worth trading Brown, plus depth, plus picks for that if Leonard isn't a significant upgrade in the long run? Some team looking to make some noise will trade for Leonard, but I'm not sure we should.
The team I wonder about is the Lakers. Isn't Leonard a California kid? The Lakers could give Ingram for Leonard (they will have cap space to absorb his contract) and then sign Lebron James. That would give the Spurs more youth and a valuable trade exception.
Assuming there is high confidence Kawhi will fully recover from his current injury and that there is a good chance he'll re-sign, trading Brown, filler and the Lakings pick is a no brainer. Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Tatum and Horford would be a heck of a team. Kawhi wouldn't have to be the #1 scoring option every night.
Agreed. While there are some red flags surrounding Leonard(value probably inflated by Pop, why does he want out of elite org? injuries) his combination of offense and DPOY level defense combined with his sterling playoff resume(his towers above that of Kyrie Irving whose resume isnt shabby) make him incredibly valuable.
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Unfortunately, the "LaKings" is essentially the Kings pick, barring an incredible stroke of luck, as the Lakers pile up wins against teams that are even worse than they are. I don't believe that the Spurs will accept a trade that doesn't have a high pick in this draft unless we include both Brown and Tatum, which probably doesn't make sense.
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Just based on reports, I think he was low-key shopped at the deadline. I'm guessing that no team offered enough to make it worth their while. I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge hadn't called. He's the most available superstar right now. Davis might be soon.
Here's the thing: are we sure he's that good? I mean, I know this is heresy, but it's a legit question. Obviously he is a great defender. I think any team would be better with him defensively.
But offensively, are we sure he is that good? I know he is good, but is he an offensive superstar? He averaged 26 points a game one year in his career. That was the first year that he drew fouls at a high rate (over .4 FTR). He is not a great passer or ball-handler.
He dribbles a lot. He holds the ball a lot. He is not great at ball movement (which could be the product of the offense, or it could be Pop creating an offense around Leonard).
On top of that, he has been injury-prone in his career. You can't really play him at the 4 because you risk his getting injured with the physicality (a dirty secret is that the reason Pop moved to a two-big lineup with Leonard at the 3 is because he wanted to protect Leonard).
Let's just say that Leonard's success is, at least partiallly, due to the system. Let's say that in a normal NBA system as the first option, he would be a 20/5/2 player with elite defense.
Are we sure Brown isn't going to be that in two years? Is it worth trading Brown, plus depth, plus picks for that if Leonard isn't a significant upgrade in the long run? Some team looking to make some noise will trade for Leonard, but I'm not sure we should.
The team I wonder about is the Lakers. Isn't Leonard a California kid? The Lakers could give Ingram for Leonard (they will have cap space to absorb his contract) and then sign Lebron James. That would give the Spurs more youth and a valuable trade exception.
Assuming there is high confidence Kawhi will fully recover from his current injury and that there is a good chance he'll re-sign, trading Brown, filler and the Lakings pick is a no brainer. Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Tatum and Horford would be a heck of a team. Kawhi wouldn't have to be the #1 scoring option every night.
Did you see Kawhi play in the playoffs last year? He was an offensive superstar. He was a freaking assassin.
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Kawhi has been excellent in SA. The question is whether he'll be great in BOS or any other program.
I think he can be a top 5 player in the league again with another coach, but the emergence of young players like Anthony Davis, Giannis, and even Embiid might challenge the top rankings. Regardless, the organization that signs Kawhi will likely yield more value than the humongous salary that they give him.
Unfortunately, I think this rumor is all to do about nothing. I'm banking on him staying in SAS.
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Call me crazy but I’ll take Kyrie-Hayward-Kawhi-Horford over Steph-Klay-KD-Draymond.
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Just based on reports, I think he was low-key shopped at the deadline. I'm guessing that no team offered enough to make it worth their while. I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge hadn't called. He's the most available superstar right now. Davis might be soon.
Here's the thing: are we sure he's that good? I mean, I know this is heresy, but it's a legit question. Obviously he is a great defender. I think any team would be better with him defensively.
But offensively, are we sure he is that good? I know he is good, but is he an offensive superstar? He averaged 26 points a game one year in his career. That was the first year that he drew fouls at a high rate (over .4 FTR). He is not a great passer or ball-handler.
He dribbles a lot. He holds the ball a lot. He is not great at ball movement (which could be the product of the offense, or it could be Pop creating an offense around Leonard).
On top of that, he has been injury-prone in his career. You can't really play him at the 4 because you risk his getting injured with the physicality (a dirty secret is that the reason Pop moved to a two-big lineup with Leonard at the 3 is because he wanted to protect Leonard).
Let's just say that Leonard's success is, at least partiallly, due to the system. Let's say that in a normal NBA system as the first option, he would be a 20/5/2 player with elite defense.
Are we sure Brown isn't going to be that in two years? Is it worth trading Brown, plus depth, plus picks for that if Leonard isn't a significant upgrade in the long run? Some team looking to make some noise will trade for Leonard, but I'm not sure we should.
The team I wonder about is the Lakers. Isn't Leonard a California kid? The Lakers could give Ingram for Leonard (they will have cap space to absorb his contract) and then sign Lebron James. That would give the Spurs more youth and a valuable trade exception.
Assuming there is high confidence Kawhi will fully recover from his current injury and that there is a good chance he'll re-sign, trading Brown, filler and the Lakings pick is a no brainer. Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi, Tatum and Horford would be a heck of a team. Kawhi wouldn't have to be the #1 scoring option every night.
Did you see Kawhi play in the playoffs last year? He was an offensive superstar. He was a freaking assassin.
If there was a trade, would Irving and Leonard be more redundant (scoring wise) than Leonard and Hayward (position wise)?
Cuz holding onto our younger guys like Brown and Tatum are the reason why this team will be a long-term player rather than short term. Plus with the salaries piling up, a deal would be surrounding a star so we can keep managing our salary (as we've established is important for longevity in prior general discussions).
Also, an answer to the first question would be a strong premise for who gets traded.
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I'd send out Irving or Hayward as the focal point. Note, this package is only happening if there are no concerns over this future, health, and contract renewal.
A big reason why dealing for Leonard is troublesome is we potentially need to bring in someone else to maximize the value of a pairing.
Irving and Memphis pick for Leonard. Simple and clean. Scoring is swapped. Lose our closer for another. Is Hayward with Leonard a better fit?
Hayward and Memphis pick for Leonard and salary. Trading positions. Upgrade our defense and rebounding. Probably offensive fluidity is jeopardized. Are Irving and Leonard a good fit?
I personally think a move for Leonard would elevate us to the top of the East (assuming his health and interest in the franchise). I would prefer to have him paired with another player than either Irving or Hayward. Leonard has had success with skilled bigs. I'm a big Jokic fan. I know it wouldn't realistically happen. But I'd make a deal for Jokic, swapping star for star. Jokic and Leonard would be the perfect match of skills and athleticism.
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I just don't want to give anyone up.
Kyrie is our best player. Not much of a leap; not worth it.
Hayward hasn't played yet, chose to come here, and is Brad's guy. I honestly haven't seen him play much, but he practically can't be traded anyway under the circumstances.
Horford...we would create a big hole. I don't really want to go this direction due to the signal to other fa's, trying to lose the 'trader Danny' thing, etc.
But then it's down to giving up too many really good, possibly special pieces to come up with enough salary to trade for a player that could play in pain for the duration.
We're just not really in a spot to trade for a max guy. It's not like 2007, when all of our good young players were picked 15+; our young guys now look like 20pt allstar potential. They defend. They play, and we still win with youth.
Even our rookies, Tatum, Theis, and Semi, are all contributing rotation players at least. That's nuts. By themselves, they might be enough value for a coming-off-injury Kawhi that I might think twice.
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With the rumours of Leonard wanting to leave The Spurs due to problems with the treatment of his injury
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/1/23/16924684/jalen-rose-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-wants-out)
I think we should just for fun discuss if we can come up with an interesting trade for him.
Can we use our trade exception in some kind of creative deal?
Trade exceptions cannot be used in 3 way trades. They can only be used to bring in a player that has one year left on their deal.
Also there's been discussions for this already, but I'll start by saying any Kawhi trade should be considered the same as any AD trade...
Untouchable for now, but Spurs certainly not going to start any negotiations without first starting off with the Lakers pick, (if it conveys) Brown, Rozier, and one of Memphis or Clippers pick.
trade exceptions do not have to be used on a player with only 1 year left. the disabled player exception has that restriction but a regular trade exception does not.
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If there was a trade, would Irving and Leonard be more redundant (scoring wise) than Leonard and Hayward (position wise)?
Absolutely not.
Kawhi is not a player you can run your offense through, he is a player you run offense for. Meaning someone else has to be the initiator/creator (Kyrie).
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If there was a trade, would Irving and Leonard be more redundant (scoring wise) than Leonard and Hayward (position wise)?
Absolutely not.
Kawhi is not a player you can run your offense through, he is a player you run offense for. Meaning someone else has to be the initiator/creator (Kyrie).
This is where I’m not certain. Khawi led 2026-17 spurs offense, impressively. He had Parker and mills to initiate offense, but we have that in Smart and could easily pick up someone. As for Irving, he has shown he needs a point guard next to him because he wants to be a shooting guard. Only reason I say he wants to be a shooting guard is that he doesn’t make the team first decisions that are traditionally used by pg to control game. He has shown he prefers being the focal point of offense so he can do his thing, which includes attacking. He hasn’t shown us this season that improvement expected of being a game manager. This brings me back to redundancy because that was Khawi was doing. This is why scoring might constrained. Irving would also take the biggest hit integrating Kawhi into offense.
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Hayward coming back so no need for Leonard...got Tatum and brown
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Hayward coming back so no need for Leonard...got Tatum and brown
Exactly, given the package that would be needed to trade for Kawhi is similar to Davis, Leonard's role wouldn't been as effective as Davis.
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I think Ainge considers Davis the "end game" if he's considering another trade for a star.
That's not to say Ainge will definitely make a trade, as he could keep this team and simply add a healthy Hayward + a few more high draft picks (Kings, Grizzlies in 2019), but if Ainge swings another trade I think he'd prefer Davis.
I don't think Leonard is as available as anyone thinks, whereas with Davis, you have to think if Cousins doesn't return and the Pelicans are still somewhat mediocre by next season, Davis will get dealt, or Pelicans will at least hear offers. Again, the chances are slim, but I don't think ANYONE saw Kyrie getting traded in the summer back in May.
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1.There is no prove Kawhi can perform what he performed under Pop
2.Big red flag about his injury
3.Questionable work ethic(this drama)
To much concern to give anything of big value for him
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1.There is no prove Kawhi can perform what he performed under Pop
2.Big red flag about his injury
3.Questionable work ethic(this drama)
To much concern to give anything of big value for him
exactly ! why Yabu and two second rounders would be a great deal ;D
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1.There is no prove Kawhi can perform what he performed under Pop
2.Big red flag about his injury
3.Questionable work ethic(this drama)
To much concern to give anything of big value for him
I think the first two are fair points, but that third one is a swing and miss. You dont show the kind of immense improvement Leonard has (mid round pick to MVP candidate) without having a good work ethic. The improvement in his shooting alone shows he works at his craft.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
I wouldn't be at all Shocked if he is traded to the Lakers. A package built around Ingram and additional pieces could make some sense for the Spurs. ( I know Cs can likely offer a better package but im not sure they want to spend themselves out of the AD trade market.)
Trading for Kawi (an LA native) once again makes the Lakers an obvious Lebron landing spot. The trick will be building a team around those two.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
I wouldn't be at all Shocked if he is traded to the Lakers. A package built around Ingram and additional pieces could make some sense for the Spurs. ( I know Cs can likely offer a better package but im not sure they want to spend themselves out of the AD trade market.)
Trading for Kawi (an LA native) once again makes the Lakers an obvious Lebron landing spot. The trick will be building a team around those two.
Price will definitely be two of Ingram/Ball/Kuzma, and *possibly* Randle in a S&T, OR some additional salary pieces I believe.
Yeah they'd have to find creative ways to acquire a solid bench in that case.
And in terms of Boston, I think they only go after a Davis or Leonard, NOT Both (in regards to the bolded part of your post). I'd say BOS has enough ammo for just 1 more star trade, so Ainge will have to be a bit careful and patient navigating this route.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
Add the 76ers to that list. I really would hate to see Embiid with Leonard against us
And what would the 76ers give up for Leonard, Simmons? Doubtful they want to get rid of that kid and I'm pretty sure Spurs are not interested in a broken jumpshot Markelle Fultz.
Celtics still have the biggest stash of tradeable assets. If Leonard becomes available in the offseason, I have to believe we are top of the list of desirable trade partners.
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
Add the 76ers to that list. I really would hate to see Embiid with Leonard against us
And what would the 76ers give up for Leonard, Simmons? Doubtful they want to get rid of that kid and I'm pretty sure Spurs are not interested in a broken jumpshot Markelle Fultz.
Celtics still have the biggest stash of tradeable assets. If Leonard becomes available in the offseason, I have to believe we are top of the list of desirable trade partners.
The Sixers have a pretty nice collection of assets, including either the Lakers pick this summer or the Kings pick the following summer. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz, Saric, Covington, LAL/SAC, plus two future 1sts land Leonard and Gasol (or some other big contract SAS would dump in that scenario).
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If he does get traded, as long as it's not to the Lakers, Warriors or Cavaliers, I'll be happy.
I don't think he gets traded BUT it's certainly getting interesting. I think there is something going on between Kawhi and the Spurs behind the scenes. Doesn't mean it can't get resolved but it's also hard to overlook that Kawhi doesn't want to come back even though the Spurs are a Top-4 team in the West without him (just imagine how they'd be WITH him + Gay), and he's been medically cleared for a while according to reports. ???
Add the 76ers to that list. I really would hate to see Embiid with Leonard against us
And what would the 76ers give up for Leonard, Simmons? Doubtful they want to get rid of that kid and I'm pretty sure Spurs are not interested in a broken jumpshot Markelle Fultz.
Celtics still have the biggest stash of tradeable assets. If Leonard becomes available in the offseason, I have to believe we are top of the list of desirable trade partners.
The Warriors aren’t a likely trade partner, but that doesn’t stop me from not wanting Kawhi to go there
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
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Yeah, the Spurs were one of the first teams to really focus on personality type and confidence when acquiring players. I don't think Fultz would be on their short list.
Saric, on the other hand, might get the Spurs to the table, but I'd think the Spurs would want more back, and the Sixers draft stash has a lot of picks, but not very many good ones anymore.
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
The guy has a broken shot all together, apparently is suffering an injury, and has been reportedly using virtual reality goggles to figure out his shot.
Are we really crazy to believe his trade value isn't high right now?? ???
I mean sure, maybe he can be a piece in a trade, but he's definitely NOT going to be the 1st or even 2nd best asset I imagine that would be in the trade. So yeah, in a hypothetical Leonard trade, PHI has to give up a Simmons or a bunch of other pieces (even besides the multiple 1sts)
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
nerlens Noel at one point was a consensus #1 pick. Can’t crack a rotation on a bad mavs team. Some things just don’t work out even in a consensus
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
nerlens Noel at one point was a consensus #1 pick. Can’t crack a rotation on a bad mavs team. Some things just don’t work out even in a consensus
Noel has proven that he's not very good. Fultz hasn't. He still has tons of upside. And even if he never regains his shot, look no further than his teammate Simmons for an example of how that can go.
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you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
1) Look at his shot, and tell me with a straight face, he is a NBA quality shooter.
2) Consensus can be wrong and I am not afraid to challenge it if it is so.
3) We dodged a bullet by not drafting him
Chad Ford was clearly wrong about Fultz and Ball. I think consensus you are speaking of, was quite frankly, hype. There was a reason they hide Fultz for most of the year last year and we may be seeing why.
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. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a package of Fultz,
I would be surprised if any one wants Fultz at this time...
agreed. Fultz contract at this point is dead weight
you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
nerlens Noel at one point was a consensus #1 pick. Can’t crack a rotation on a bad mavs team. Some things just don’t work out even in a consensus
Noel has proven that he's not very good. Fultz hasn't. He still has tons of upside. And even if he never regains his shot, look no further than his teammate Simmons for an example of how that can go.
Simmons has a far more versatile skill set. If Fultz can't fix whatever is wrong, he could become the biggest bust of all time.
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you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
1) Look at his shot, and tell me with a straight face, he is a NBA quality shooter.
2) Consensus can be wrong and I am not afraid to challenge it if it is so.
3) We dodged a bullet by not drafting him
Chad Ford was clearly wrong about Fultz and Ball. I think consensus you are speaking of, was quite frankly, hype. There was a reason they hide Fultz for most of the year last year and we may be seeing why.
You're right the guy that shot over 41% from 3 in college and 40% in summer league from 3 can't shoot. Come on, give me a break.
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you guys are crazy. He was the near consensus #1 pick less than a year ago. He obviously isn't worth what he was, but he absolutely still carries a lot of value
1) Look at his shot, and tell me with a straight face, he is a NBA quality shooter.
2) Consensus can be wrong and I am not afraid to challenge it if it is so.
3) We dodged a bullet by not drafting him
Chad Ford was clearly wrong about Fultz and Ball. I think consensus you are speaking of, was quite frankly, hype. There was a reason they hide Fultz for most of the year last year and we may be seeing why.
You're right the guy that shot over 41% from 3 in college and 40% in summer league from 3 can't shoot. Come on, give me a break.
Example of the eye test versus the stats.
Eye test is pretty obvious right now. I always felt like his shot varied a bit too much for him to have that good of shooting percentages.
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Guys, you understand this is a Kawhi thread. Fultz has a dozen of his own threads.
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Guys, you understand this is a Kawhi thread. Fultz has a dozen of his own threads.
It is a thread about trading for Leonard. Philly is an obvious potential landing spot, and Fultz is an obvious piece that would go to San Antonio.
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Hasn't it been reported that Kawhi is returning to the Spurs and that he should be playing again in March?
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Hasn't it been reported that Kawhi is returning to the Spurs and that he should be playing again in March?
Yep, but it doesn't mean he won't be traded this summer. What if the Spurs don't offer the super max extension or what if Kawhi turns it down?
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Hasn't it been reported that Kawhi is returning to the Spurs and that he should be playing again in March?
Yep, but it doesn't mean he won't be traded this summer. What if the Spurs don't offer the super max extension or what if Kawhi turns it down?
Oh okay. I just figured that the trade rumors resulted from Kawhi's discontent, but with him returning and how the Spurs are playing, that would squash the trade rumors for the most part.
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Sorry if this is a dupe but Jalen Rose also put out the hypothetical trade a few have mentioned.
https://nesn.com/2018/04/kawhi-leonard-to-celtics-jalen-rose-floats-blockbuster-trade-idea/?src=rss
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I'm not sure I really did understand, what Jalen Rose was really saying. Did he actually say, that we could somehow get Kawhi for Smart and Rozier + fillers. Well if that's the case he must really be in bad standing and he might be interesting to take a look at.
The dream scenario is that both Anthony Davis and Kawhi will force themselves out of their franchises and we can sign them for a reasonable deal.
My sort of realistic trade would be like this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9crtzco (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9crtzco)
To make the deal happen we should send "the lakers pick", and Spurs should send a 1st both to the Pelicans.
We would have a contending team next season and I think the team would have a chance of making it.
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I'm not sure I really did understand, what Jalen Rose was really saying. Did he actually say, that we could somehow get Kawhi for Smart and Rozier + fillers. Well if that's the case he must really be in bad standing and he might be interesting to take a look at.
The dream scenario is that both Anthony Davis and Kawhi will force themselves out of their franchises and we can sign them for a reasonable deal.
My sort of realistic trade would be like this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9crtzco (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9crtzco)
To make the deal happen we should send "the lakers pick", and Spurs should send a 1st both to the Pelicans.
We would have a contending team next season and I think the team would have a chance of making it.
sorry but lol. pels trade AD for that?
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Only if he is forcing himself out of New Orleans. It might take another 1st, and we can also move Rozier to Pelicans instead of to the Spurs.
Players in this calibre only get moved if they are really forcing a move, and no team can make a better deal for AD than us.
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2 Trades:
1. A. Horford/J. Tatum/M. Smart/Kings Pick for A. Davis/Mirotic
2. J. Brown/M. Morris/T. Rozier/G. Monroe/Memphis Pick for K. Leonard
New Lineup:
PG: K. Irving
SG: K. Leonard
SF: G. Hayward
PF: A. Davis
C: A. Baynes (resigned)
Bench: D. Theis, S. Ojeleye, G. Yabusele, S. Larkin, K. Allen
Obviously, I'm smoking dope. But my goodness that team. The K. Leonard package isn't enough. And I'm giving her all I got captain...
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2 Trades:
1. A. Horford/J. Tatum/M. Smart/Kings Pick for A. Davis/Mirotic
2. J. Brown/M. Morris/T. Rozier/G. Monroe/Memphis Pick for K. Leonard
New Lineup:
PG: K. Irving
SG: K. Leonard
SF: G. Hayward
PF: A. Davis
C: A. Baynes (resigned)
Bench: D. Theis, S. Ojeleye, G. Yabusele, S. Larkin, K. Allen
Obviously, I'm smoking dope. But my goodness that team. The K. Leonard package isn't enough. And I'm giving her all I got captain...
4 max contracts is pretty impossible, but yikes, that is a dreamy fantasy team
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2 Trades:
1. A. Horford/J. Tatum/M. Smart/Kings Pick for A. Davis/Mirotic
2. J. Brown/M. Morris/T. Rozier/G. Monroe/Memphis Pick for K. Leonard
New Lineup:
PG: K. Irving
SG: K. Leonard
SF: G. Hayward
PF: A. Davis
C: A. Baynes (resigned)
Bench: D. Theis, S. Ojeleye, G. Yabusele, S. Larkin, K. Allen
Obviously, I'm smoking dope. But my goodness that team. The K. Leonard package isn't enough. And I'm giving her all I got captain...
Do the Celtics have the rights to sign and trade Monroe?
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If the NBA has taught me anything over the past few years it's that teams who are backed into a corner of trading their superstar never get adequate value for them. That said, I would strongly resist the urge to trade either Tatum or Brown for Kawhi. You might not have a choice in the end but let's not act like San Antonio can negotiate from a place of leverage and demand all or several of our best assets.
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I now have really high hopes for both Brown and Tatum. I think both CAN be all-stars.
That said, if the opportunity presents itself to move one (with Rozier?) for a superstar like AD or Kawhi, you have to do it.
Moving both may shorten your window significantly (due to age and contracts), but I think that window gets pulled wide open. I don’t see how you can compete with that team. Kawhi makes more sense, as I don’t love a Horford/Davis frontcourt too much. But playing Al at center with some combo of Hayward/Morris/Kawhi/Tatum at PF seems fine to me.
We honestly may not even need to make any deal if Brown and Tatum continue improving. They are already really good players. They take the next step and they will be great. We already have 3 all-stars around them. It’s not unreasonable to believe we could be sitting with the best record in basketball had we been reasonably healthy this season. Brad has this team playing the right way, we just keep losing bodies.
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If the NBA has taught me anything over the past few years it's that teams who are backed into a corner of trading their superstar never get adequate value for them. That said, I would strongly resist the urge to trade either Tatum or Brown for Kawhi. You might not have a choice in the end but let's not act like San Antonio can negotiate from a place of leverage and demand all or several of our best assets.
That's what I used to think too, but it's not exactly correct. As long as there is competition with multiple teams interested in Kawhi (and why shouldn't there be?), the team with the best offer should win. That may not be "adequate value" but it's still A LOT better than nothing.
Cleveland was in the same situation with Kyrie, and they ended up with a decent haul, some of which were further flipped for Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson, etc.
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If the NBA has taught me anything over the past few years it's that teams who are backed into a corner of trading their superstar never get adequate value for them. That said, I would strongly resist the urge to trade either Tatum or Brown for Kawhi. You might not have a choice in the end but let's not act like San Antonio can negotiate from a place of leverage and demand all or several of our best assets.
That's what I used to think too, but it's not exactly correct. As long as there is competition with multiple teams interested in Kawhi (and why shouldn't there be?), the team with the best offer should win. That may not be "adequate value" but it's still A LOT better than nothing.
Cleveland was in the same situation with Kyrie, and they ended up with a decent haul, some of which were further flipped for Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson, etc.
Not if Kawhi and AD made it clear they won't sign extension besides boston
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As bad as it may look I think we would need to trade horford to get kawhi. I'm not sure the Spurs would want another aging PF in Horford BUT I think Horford would fit well in Portland...so maybe a three team trade.
Not sure how but this is my idea with pick(s) going to SA.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y92gafb4