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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: EJPLAYA on December 26, 2017, 02:29:30 PM
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I know there will be many who will not like this idea, however here's how we get better quickly.
Boston sends Marcus Smart
Minnesota sends Jamal Crawford
Here's why:
Marcus Smart has hit his ceiling. He will never be a good shooter, and he is a turnover machine. For someone who supposedly is a great defender, we get lit up by opposing guards over and over. Semi can be thrust into that role off the bench when we need a defensive stopper along with Jaylen focusing a bit more on that defensive role. Rozier is getting better and better and is the backup PG off the bench of the future. Crawford gives us instant offense off the bench which we need terribly. One of the biggest flaws this team has is their inability to get good production from their bench unit. Morris coming back helps, but Crawford would give us an elite bench scorer. Look at last nights game. 19 points in 19 minutes.
Minnesota gets a young player that they can think has more upside. And at first glance it would appear that they get the better end of this deal.
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Pass. Crawford is what? 58?
I'd want some kind of additional compensation to give up Smart. Not a kings ransom, but more than 1 year of a 37 year old shoot first guard.
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Pass. Crawford is what? 58?
I'd want some kind of additional compensation to give up Smart. Not a kings ransom, but more than 1 year of a 37 year old shoot first guard.
Smart kills us as often as he helps us. In that first half yesterday he turned the ball over so many times it allowed them to stay in that game. He can't shoot, he's overrated defensively. What exactly do you think you're going to get for him? And quite honestly, a shoot first guard is EXACTLY what this team needs off the bench. He is instant offense and the cure for the struggle we have when Kyrie goes to the bench. A 2nd unit of him, Morris, and Rozier is suddenly a scoring threat that will build or maintain leads.
As far as age goes, he is older, but his game should allow him to continue playing for another 2-3 yrs effectively. Can't believe the guy wouldn't rather be on a contender than the Twolves. He'd re-up for another money friendly couple years after this.
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I know there will be many who will not like this idea, however here's how we get better quickly.
Boston sends Marcus Smart
Minnesota sends Jamal Crawford
Here's why:
Marcus Smart has hit his ceiling. He will never be a good shooter, and he is a turnover machine. For someone who supposedly is a great defender, we get lit up by opposing guards over and over. Semi can be thrust into that role off the bench when we need a defensive stopper along with Jaylen focusing a bit more on that defensive role. Rozier is getting better and better and is the backup PG off the bench of the future. Crawford gives us instant offense off the bench which we need terribly. One of the biggest flaws this team has is their inability to get good production from their bench unit. Morris coming back helps, but Crawford would give us an elite bench scorer. Look at last nights game. 19 points in 19 minutes.
Minnesota gets a young player that they can think has more upside. And at first glance it would appear that they get the better end of this deal.
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I know that some of you hate defensive RPM, but there is SOME VALIDITY there. And Crawford is the 100th ranked player out of 100 SG's in defensive RPM. No thanks!!!
Smitty77
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I get the idea, but this is a ridiculous overpay. Crawford is 38 in a few months and only was able to get 4 million on the open market this past season, even on a short contract. For someone that is awful defensively and not much of a playermaker Crawford also isn't being a good enough scorer to warrant serious minutes. Now if this was for Lou Williams and the expectation was we were not going to sign Smart back no matter what, then that is a bit more realistic.
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Pass. Smart is one of those guys who looks terrible at times, but his +- is always pretty darn good. Even yesterday he was -2, while the best starter was Tatum at -8. Baynes played 10 minutes and was -12.
I'm fine with moving Smart (in part because I don't think Boston will re-sign him for something he would actually want), but not for someone like Crawford. Boston's needs a big man. Preferably one that can score a bit as well as rebound and defend. Basically a healthier slightly bigger version of Morris.
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I know there will be many who will not like this idea, however here's how we get better quickly.
Boston sends Marcus Smart
Minnesota sends Jamal Crawford
Here's why:
Marcus Smart has hit his ceiling. He will never be a good shooter, and he is a turnover machine. For someone who supposedly is a great defender, we get lit up by opposing guards over and over. Semi can be thrust into that role off the bench when we need a defensive stopper along with Jaylen focusing a bit more on that defensive role. Rozier is getting better and better and is the backup PG off the bench of the future. Crawford gives us instant offense off the bench which we need terribly. One of the biggest flaws this team has is their inability to get good production from their bench unit. Morris coming back helps, but Crawford would give us an elite bench scorer. Look at last nights game. 19 points in 19 minutes.
Minnesota gets a young player that they can think has more upside. And at first glance it would appear that they get the better end of this deal.
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I know that some of you hate defensive RPM, but there is SOME VALIDITY there. And Crawford is the 100th ranked player out of 100 SG's in defensive RPM. No thanks!!!
Smitty77
And sometimes numbers lie. Can someone explain to me then when we have supposed great defenders in Smart, Brown, and now Semi that almost every game we get LIT UP by opposing guards. They have their season best against us?!
The league is really going to one of "who outscores who" and Smart is definitely is not that kind of player. You won't beat the Warriors, Cavs, Rockets etc with a guy like Smart getting big minutes on the floor. We are anemic off the bench. We need scoring from that unit.
As far as Lou Williams which someone mentioned, I'm all for that as well, however good luck convincing him to play 15 min a night. He wants starters minutes even if he's coming off the bench. Plus he's a bad defender as well.
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No it wouldn't at best it's a lateral move.
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lol this trade makes us so much worse
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For someone who supposedly is a great defender, we get lit up by opposing guards over and over.
Opponents shoot 34.7% from 3pt against us, that's tied for 4th best in the league. When Smart is on the court that percentage drops to 32%. He improves our 3pt defense, which is already great.
When Smart is on the court, opponent eFG% is 49%. That's good enough for best in the league.
(Overall we are 2nd best)
In terms of defensive win shares per 48 Smart is 6th in the league.
Crawford gives us instant offense off the bench which we need terribly.
Crawford is a NET NEGATIVE on offense. This year, Minnesota scores 108 points per 100 with him on the court - and 115 with him off. He's a -7 offensively for them.
And sometimes numbers lie. Can someone explain to me then when we have supposed great defenders in Smart, Brown, and now Semi that almost every game we get LIT UP by opposing guards.
No need to explain, because you are just wrong. See above.
The league is really going to one of "who outscores who" and Smart is definitely is not that kind of player. You won't beat the Warriors, Cavs, Rockets etc with a guy like Smart getting big minutes on the floor. We are anemic off the bench. We need scoring from that unit.
Actually Smart is exactly that kind of player. The Celtics are 8 points better with him on the floor. The team overall shoots a better percentage (+2%) with him on the floor. The team shoots a better 3pt% (+3%) with him on the floor.
Jamal Crawford is NOT that kind of player. The Wolves shoot worse with him on the floor (-4%). They shoot worse from 3 with him on the floor (-6%). They score less with him on the floor (-7 pts).
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Jamal Crawford is not a player I'd want on the Celtics. He's an inefficient chucker, and rather old.
I'd be all for adding a scorer type to our bench, and would have no problem trading one of Smart or Rozier to do so, but Crawford is not anywhere close to what we need.
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I know there will be many who will not like this idea, however here's how we get better quickly.
Boston sends Marcus Smart
Minnesota sends Jamal Crawford
Here's why:
Marcus Smart has hit his ceiling. He will never be a good shooter, and he is a turnover machine. For someone who supposedly is a great defender, we get lit up by opposing guards over and over. Semi can be thrust into that role off the bench when we need a defensive stopper along with Jaylen focusing a bit more on that defensive role. Rozier is getting better and better and is the backup PG off the bench of the future. Crawford gives us instant offense off the bench which we need terribly. One of the biggest flaws this team has is their inability to get good production from their bench unit. Morris coming back helps, but Crawford would give us an elite bench scorer. Look at last nights game. 19 points in 19 minutes.
Minnesota gets a young player that they can think has more upside. And at first glance it would appear that they get the better end of this deal.
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I know that some of you hate defensive RPM, but there is SOME VALIDITY there. And Crawford is the 100th ranked player out of 100 SG's in defensive RPM. No thanks!!!
Smitty77
And sometimes numbers lie. Can someone explain to me then when we have supposed great defenders in Smart, Brown, and now Semi that almost every game we get LIT UP by opposing guards. They have their season best against us?!
The league is really going to one of "who outscores who" and Smart is definitely is not that kind of player. You won't beat the Warriors, Cavs, Rockets etc with a guy like Smart getting big minutes on the floor. We are anemic off the bench. We need scoring from that unit.
As far as Lou Williams which someone mentioned, I'm all for that as well, however good luck convincing him to play 15 min a night. He wants starters minutes even if he's coming off the bench. Plus he's a bad defender as well.
the celtics are #2 in the nba in defense rating.
https://stats.nba.com/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1
and as for numbers sometimes lying, i dont think anyone here will disagree. but that also means they sometimes tell the truth. would you please be so kind as to explain to us when they are doing one and when they are doing the other.
unless you do this, all you are doing is believing those stats that support your pre-existing belief. and if you do that, no one takes you very seriously.
thanks in advance.
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I do not like that trade and feel it weakens us a great deal In the playoffs, we need a few players to be lock down defenders and Smart is one of them. As much as I hate his shot selection so far this year, I cannot imagine a world where we lose both Avery and Smart and expect to get out of the first round. Heart is not something that can be easily replaced as well. Jamal is on the wrong side of 30 and last I checked, is not known for his lock down D.
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I'm not disagreeing we need to have lockdown defensive players. Im just disagreeing with the fact that Marcus is the answer. Can someone please address the fact that opposing guards continuously light us up? Why didn't Marcus shut down Beal or Wall yesterday?
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Look ar their shooting percentages from yesterday and you'll see they shot poorly against us.
The problem yesterday was 4th quarter turnovers and rebounding.
Smart for Crawford is a terrible idea, this coming from a guy who thinks Smart is overrated.
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What about Smart for Vujecic or Noel. Some kind of trade centered around around Smart and another big?
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Look ar their shooting percentages from yesterday and you'll see they shot poorly against us.
The problem yesterday was 4th quarter turnovers and rebounding.
Smart for Crawford is a terrible idea, this coming from a guy who thinks Smart is overrated.
Until it mattered and the both blew by their men with ease to close us out. Doesn't sound like an elite defender to me. Kind of like when Rondo kept getting called an elite defender but let his man go by him over and over.
We are competitive with the best if we solve two problems. One is figure out how to stop the 2 and 3 on other squads. The other is to get more offense on our second unit. I think more Brown and Semi on their better defenders does this, and this trade forces this to happen solving both issues.
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Trade for Boogie .
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What an awful trade lol.
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I'd rather keep Smart and sign Jordan Crawford.
Offense and Big Baller Brand Shoes.
Smart can dive for the loose balls and get the rebounds for the shots J-Sizzle misses.
Can't trade for a 38 year old. Geesh.