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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Kane3387 on January 24, 2013, 05:58:01 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b896hvp
4 Team Trade. Only team that likely says No is Boston.
Boston receives Pau Gasol, Kyle Lowry, and TE for $6 Mill.
Denver receives Rondo, Bass, Terry, and Earl Clark
Lakers receive Gallinari, Calderon(Expiring), and Mozgov(Expiring)
Raptors receive Lawson, Brewer(Expiring), and Collins (Expiring)
For Boston it's a win now deal. They think Lowry, Bradley, Pierce, KG, and Gasol with a bench of Sully, Green, Lee, Barbosa, and Wilcox can go all the way.
For Denver they get the best player in the deal in Rondo. They feel Rondo, Chandler, Igoudala, Fraried, and Koufos with a bench of Miller, Terry, Mcghee, and Clark/Randolph can do some damage.
For the Lakers they get a D'Antoni favorite in Gallinari. He fits the system perfect at PF. They also get expiring deals in Calderon and Mozgov to lessen payroll next season.
For toronto they get an upgrade at PG over the two they're sending out. He just signed a long term deal and he is young enough that he fits real well with their rebuilding efforts. They also save $8 million in payroll this season and both Brewer and Collins are expiring deals.
Edit: See Alternative deal below if you don't think Toronto upgrades with Lawson over Lowry.
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Denver says no. Rondo, Bass, Terry, and Earl Clark for
Lawson, Gallinari, Brewer and Mozgov? I don't think Denver would like that return.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
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Toronto only gets Ty Lawson for both Kyle Lowry and Jose Calderon.
I don't even think Ty Lawson is better than Lowry. Better floor general offensively but considerably worse defensively and as a rebounder. Why take Ty Lawson ahead of Kyle Lowry?
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Toronto only gets Ty Lawson for both Kyle Lowry and Jose Calderon.
I don't even think Ty Lawson is better than Lowry. Better floor general offensively but considerably worse defensively and as a rebounder. Why take Ty Lawson ahead of Kyle Lowry?
Lowry doesn't even start... He isn't really valued there. I would rather have Lawson. Seems Toronto is shopping him anyways.
Though he’s out now injured, the Raptors supposedly would like to put Kyle Lowry in a trade package and keep Jose Calderon. The Raptors give up 11 more points per game when Lowry is on the court compared with Calderon.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_121224.html
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Toronto only gets Ty Lawson for both Kyle Lowry and Jose Calderon.
I don't even think Ty Lawson is better than Lowry. Better floor general offensively but considerably worse defensively and as a rebounder. Why take Ty Lawson ahead of Kyle Lowry?
Yeah, this is a problem for Toronto.
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Denver says no. Rondo, Bass, Terry, and Earl Clark for
Lawson, Gallinari, Brewer and Mozgov? I don't think Denver would like that return.
I'm not so sure. Wilson Chandler is back and playing well. Just move Chandler to the 2 and Iggy to the 3 to replace Gallo. Terry would off their bench with Andre Miller.
Rondo > Lawson for sure. Denver knows it needs to consolidate some depth for a perennial All-Star.
Anyways that's why I think Denver would likely do it. Boston probably doesn't though.
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No around the board. Trading Rondo = No.
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Toronto only gets Ty Lawson for both Kyle Lowry and Jose Calderon.
I don't even think Ty Lawson is better than Lowry. Better floor general offensively but considerably worse defensively and as a rebounder. Why take Ty Lawson ahead of Kyle Lowry?
Lowry doesn't even start... He isn't really valued there. I would rather have Lawson. Seems Toronto is shopping him anyways.
Though he’s out now injured, the Raptors supposedly would like to put Kyle Lowry in a trade package and keep Jose Calderon. The Raptors give up 11 more points per game when Lowry is on the court compared with Calderon.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_121224.html
First, all the author is doing is "supposing" here where I haven't heard this idea from anyone else.
I do like the idea of trading Rondo for Lowry + Gasol. I'd do that. But your "spare parts" of Bass and Terry are more than just spare parts in my opinion. They are very quality rotational players for any contending team.
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I'd do that. But your "spare parts" of Bass and Terry are more than just spare parts in my opinion. They are very quality rotational players for any contending team.
Not for us.
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For those who don't think Lawson is an upgrade over Lowry, we will remove Toronto from the equation.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wamd7e
Boston receives Gasol, Lawson, Brewer
Lakers receive Gallinari, Mozgov, and save $7 mill.
Denver receives Rondo (Lawson upgrade), Green(Gallo replacement), Terry, and Bass.
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No. Kyle lowry cannot rebound or pass like rondo, and lowry does not have that "it" factor or intelligence that rondo possesses. and we wont even go into defense
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For those who don't think Lawson is an upgrade over Lowry, we will remove Toronto from the equation.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wamd7e
Boston receives Gasol, Lawson, Brewer
Lakers receive Gallinari, Mozgov, and save $7 mill.
Denver receives Rondo (Lawson upgrade), Green(Gallo replacement), Terry, and Bass.
Mozgov would give the Lakers 6 of the hardest fouls against Blake Griffin possible. I like the trade for all parties.
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Would Gasol be playing C or PF in Boston? I think he's significantly better at C, but I don't know about KG at PF anymore.
I'd consider, though. Especially if Brewer is also coming this way.
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For those who don't think Lawson is an upgrade over Lowry, we will remove Toronto from the equation.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wamd7e
Boston receives Gasol, Lawson, Brewer
Lakers receive Gallinari, Mozgov, and save $7 mill.
Denver receives Rondo (Lawson upgrade), Green(Gallo replacement), Terry, and Bass.
Mozgov would give the Lakers 6 of the hardest fouls against Blake Griffin possible. I like the trade for all parties.
Yeah this one makes the most sense.
For us we get out from under a ton of salary when Pau and Pierce both expire together. We would have cap space again in the summer of 2014. We also still have a nice PG prospect in Lawson. We could compete better with Gasol the next two seasons and Lawson is still better then any PG the Heat have.
For the Lakers it's a no brainer. Gallo with D'antoni. Saving a ton of money. Getting younger. And Gasol is coming off the bench anyways.
For Denver it's a nice trade because Lawson's extension kicks in next year so it doesn't change their cap situation for the future. Green's deal is almost identical Gallo's deal. Less money and same years. BUT Rondo with Chandler, Iggy, Fraried, and McGhee... That's a lot of athleticism for him to run with.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
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Without Rondo this team would go nowhere. He has won series for us in the last few years in the playoffs or kept us in them.
Rondo+Kobe=Howard= Title
Whoever proprosed this trade is a Laker fan.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
TOTALLY disagree. Until Rondo can develop a consistent jump shot and bring it every night, then trading him would NOT be a mistake (of course depending on who you'd be trading him for.)
As for the trade proposal, I would much rather have Lawson over Lowry. Lowry always seems to be injured.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Seriously? I could care less about triple doubles or stats and don't watch the talking heads on ESPN. I'm talking about effort. Effort which causes inconsistency. You seriously can't compare the energy Rondo's playing with in the 1st half vs NY to what he had against NO, Det, and in the 1st half vs the Cavs. If you disagree with that then there really is no point in conversing with you.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Seriously? I could care less about triple doubles or stats and don't watch the talking heads on ESPN. I'm talking about effort. Effort which causes inconsistency. You seriously can't compare the energy Rondo's playing with in the 1st half vs NY to what he had against NO, Det, and in the 1st half vs the Cavs. If you disagree with that then there really is no point in conversing with you.
Everybody and his brother started talking about Rondo's "national tv games" play after hearing an announcer talk about it during a game last year. If you don't watch the talking heads or triple doubles I'd wonder why you bring the subject up in your posts. And I didn't see the Detroit game and don't recall the NO game but I'd say that Rondo's effort in the first half of the Cavs game was fine. He had 13/3/5 in the first half. Sure Irving put up a bunch of points in the first half but that was more good offense from Kyrie than a lack of effort from Rondo.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Seriously? I could care less about triple doubles or stats and don't watch the talking heads on ESPN. I'm talking about effort. Effort which causes inconsistency. You seriously can't compare the energy Rondo's playing with in the 1st half vs NY to what he had against NO, Det, and in the 1st half vs the Cavs. If you disagree with that then there really is no point in conversing with you.
Everybody and his brother started talking about Rondo's "national tv games" play after hearing an announcer talk about it during a game last year. If you don't watch the talking heads or triple doubles I'd wonder why you bring the subject up in your posts. And I didn't see the Detroit game and don't recall the NO game but I'd say that Rondo's effort in the first half of the Cavs game was fine. He had 13/3/5 in the first half. Sure Irving put up a bunch of points in the first half but that was more good offense from Kyrie than a lack of effort from Rondo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5fEHtTeds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5fEHtTeds)
So you didn't see the NO and Detroit games, but then you choose to intellectually argue that he brings effort on the recent games I mentioned? Ok, makes sense.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Whether you call them "national TV games" or just "games against good / exciting opponents," it amounts to the same thing -- Rondo is often a different player in games that seem to offer a compelling reason for him to play like a star. In less "interesting" matchups, Rondo often disappears or is flat out mediocre.
I think it's perfectly fair for people to be frustrated that a guy shows the ability to consistently play great in big games, only to play average-at-best against run of the mill competition with maddening frequency.
In that sense, Rondo is actually quite consistent. And it's really irritating.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Whether you call them "national TV games" or just "games against good / exciting opponents," it amounts to the same thing -- Rondo is often a different player in games that seem to offer a compelling reason for him to play like a star. In less "interesting" matchups, Rondo often disappears or is flat out mediocre.
I think it's perfectly fair for people to be frustrated that a guy shows the ability to consistently play great in big games, only to play average-at-best against run of the mill competition with maddening frequency.
In that sense, Rondo is actually quite consistent. And it's really irritating.
While it's true that all players tend to get up a little for big games I'd still say that, aside from the playoffs, it's not more true for Rondo than it is for other players. People have been told that Rondo consistently great against great teams and average-at-best against other teams and they look for instances of it. If Rondo has a good game against the Knicks and a bad game against Denver then it's true. If he has a bad game against the Lakers and a good game against the Wizards people ignore it because it's not what they're looking for, or (just as frequently) they try and come up with a reason that the opponent in the good game must have meant something special to Rajon.
I'll say the same thing about this that I say about national tv games. I could take Rondo's numbers from a bunch of random games without telling you the opponents and you wouldn't be able to pick out which games were against "exciting opponents". While this is partially true because the list of exciting opponents is fluid and can quickly change when Rondo has a good game, you'd still be unable to accurately find the "irritating consistency" you claim that you see.
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Every trade idea surrounding Rondo has been dumb so far and would only make us worse than we already are. I palm my face to all these trade ideas. Rondo is not the problem. As a matter of fact, he's the best and most consistent player we have and his prospect is endless. Would be a big mistake to trade the guy.
He is the best player we have, but definitely not the most consistent. In fact, I would say that he's the primary culprit of our team's inconsistency. When Rondo is out there giving it 100%, then we are a very different team. But when disinterested Rondo shows up, then we look awful. I expect good Rondo tonight and on Sunday vs Miami. Two marquee games on National TV.
Any time the team's inconsistent people see it as Rondo being inconsistent. And the whole "national tv" thing is an absolute joke. The only reason anyone ever makes that claim is because they heard it on tv and it makes Rondo look bad. It's not something they'd ever notice on their own and they don't realize that the reason most of Rondo's triple doubles are on national tv is because all playoff games are on national tv.
Whether you call them "national TV games" or just "games against good / exciting opponents," it amounts to the same thing -- Rondo is often a different player in games that seem to offer a compelling reason for him to play like a star. In less "interesting" matchups, Rondo often disappears or is flat out mediocre.
I think it's perfectly fair for people to be frustrated that a guy shows the ability to consistently play great in big games, only to play average-at-best against run of the mill competition with maddening frequency.
In that sense, Rondo is actually quite consistent. And it's really irritating.
While it's true that all players tend to get up a little for big games I'd still say that, aside from the playoffs, it's not more true for Rondo than it is for other players. People have been told that Rondo consistently great against great teams and average-at-best against other teams and they look for instances of it. If Rondo has a good game against the Knicks and a bad game against Denver then it's true. If he has a bad game against the Lakers and a good game against the Wizards people ignore it because it's not what they're looking for, or (just as frequently) they try and come up with a reason that the opponent in the good game must have meant something special to Rajon.
I'll say the same thing about this that I say about national tv games. I could take Rondo's numbers from a bunch of random games without telling you the opponents and you wouldn't be able to pick out which games were against "exciting opponents". While this is partially true because the list of exciting opponents is fluid and can quickly change when Rondo has a good game, you'd still be unable to accurately find the "irritating consistency" you claim that you see.
I'll allow you that this is definitely the sort of thing that's prone to "selective memory" by fans. Whenever Rondo has a big game that happens to be nationally televised, people recall this storyline. When he has a bad game against a crappy opponent, they recall this storyline.
Still, I do think that with Rondo there's a greater disparity between his good nights and his bad nights than most other players who fancy themselves, or are considered by others, to be franchise-level stars.
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Once again... Any trade involving Rondo equals No.
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Once again... Any trade involving Rondo equals No.
So Rondo is untouchable in any conceivable trade? I'm having trouble coming up with a justification for that.
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Toronto only gets Ty Lawson for both Kyle Lowry and Jose Calderon.
I don't even think Ty Lawson is better than Lowry. Better floor general offensively but considerably worse defensively and as a rebounder. Why take Ty Lawson ahead of Kyle Lowry?
B/c Lowry isn't good at making friends.
The Toronto Raptors would prefer to trade Kyle Lowry over Jose Calderon, according to league sources.
Lowry was acquired last offseason from the Houston Rockets in exchange for Gary Forbes and a future first-round lottery pick.
Lowry is averaging 13.8 points and 5.8 assists in 27.7 minutes behind Calderon.
Via Ken Berger/CBSSports