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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Patriots / Football => Topic started by: chicagoceltic on February 06, 2018, 08:05:52 PM
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Josh McDaniels had a change of heart and spurned the Colts to stay in New England. It looks like he may want to stick around and replace BB in a year or two. Keeping McDaniels and losing Patricia is OK by me.
Link: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22349872/josh-mcdaniels-spurns-indianapolis-colts-remain-new-england-patriots
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Definitely means he’s succeeding Belichick in the not so distant future
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Definitely means he’s succeeding Belichick in the not so distant future
I don't think it definitely means anything, besides the fact that he will be coaching in NE next year.
I think that the Indy job is not that great. I also think that Josh should want to continue coaching the GOAT. Given the Patriots talent on defense, the next challenge is to score 50 points per game. McDaniels is young enough to be a head coach for decades after Brady retires.
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That is the definition of F'n Awesome!!
Although this may mean McDaniels knows something we don't about BB. If so, I am still happy as I can't think of another person I want taking over head coaching duties post-BB.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
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Im bummed.
Dont see anyway he does this without a promise of the HC job in the near future.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
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Also, I love that it's the Colts that got spurned at the alter.
Couldn't happen to a "better" team....
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
I'd rather have the Patriots organization.
Andrew Luck isnt a sure thing right now.
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Didn't they announce him today morning? They went as far as reporting he's taking the assistant QB coach and Joe Judge with him.
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Also, I love that it's the Colts that got spurned at the alter.
Couldn't happen to a "better" team....
learning from Bill.
Pull the rug out from under a hated division rival. Only then will you be ready to lead us into a dynasty.
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Didn't they announce him today morning?
yup. Shades of Belichick resigning of HC of the NYJ
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The article says that BB's situation was "clarified" and that he is not retiring before 2018. To me that reads as though BB agreed to coach for a year or two and will then hand the reigns over to McDaniels. McDaniels as coach-in-waiting could be great for the longterm though that means BB is close to gone but he is in his mid 60s and has been here for 18 years (or so) so him leaving soon is to be expected. I think that this is a win for the Pats and that it screws the Colts is a bonus.
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Oh wow. I can't wait to go to Colts social media and let them know that if they weren't such a pathetic cry baby tattle tale franchise maybe this wouldn't have happened to them.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
1) We don't know how long Brady will play. I'm guessing that McDaniels has a better idea than we do.
2) We don't know how good Luck will be. We think he will be good, but we're not sure. He could come back next year and throw 15+ Ints.
3) We don't know how long it will take for Indy to accumulate talent. I would not have predicted that they would struggle so much after making the AFC championship a couple of years ago.
If Luck becomes really good, and Indy continues to struggle in the personnel department, why would Luck stay?
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I think everyone is better off here. Frankly, the Colts dodged a bullet, because McDaniels is a horrible HC.
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I think everyone is better off here. Frankly, the Colts dodged a bullet, because McDaniels is a horrible HC.
I agree. I don't know when other teams will realize that New England coordinators just don't pan out elsewhere. And I'm glad that McDaniels realized (seemingly) where his abilities lie.
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I think everyone is better off here. Frankly, the Colts dodged a bullet, because McDaniels is a horrible HC.
I think that is too strong. He wasn't very good in Denver, but that doesn't mean he will fail at his next job.
Belichick wasn't very good in CLE. Before that, he was winning Super bowls as a coordinator.
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Total bush league move by McDaniels. Didn't he come close to pulling the same thing with San Francisco? I would have to assume that he was promised the head coaching job in NE because he will never get another interview from another NFL team now. The only success he has ever had was being a coordinator for arguably the greatest head coach in NFL history and having Brady run the offense. He failed miserably in Denver, then became the offensive coordinator for one season in St Louis, who became the 28th-worst offense that year.
Any one know what happened to the assistant coaches from NE that agreed to sign with Indy?
BTW, doesn't this sound very similar to what happened to the Jets between Parcells and Belichick? Funny, but I thought Belichick hated being the hand picked successor and wanted to enjoy success away from Parcells.
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Any time the Colts can get screwed over, I'm all for it. Screw that franchise.
In any other setting, I'd say a bush league move by McDaniels but considering the franchise getting screwed over here? Ho-Hum. I'll let it pass.
(Can't see McDaniels getting another HC gig outside of NE after pulling this, though).
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good for PAts but kind of a low move by McDaniels
I bet Kraft got a hold of McDaniels personally and told him that once Belly is gone, he will become the next head coach. Also prob was offered a raise
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I don't think its that big of a deal. Indy stinks. They stink so much that they're getting the #3 pick in the draft.
Andrew Luck can't stay healthy. When he is healthy, he can't protect the ball like top-flight QBs.
If he didn't sign anything, Indy has no recourse. Why not have him sign something before announcing to the world? Seems like an amateur move by Indy.
McDaniels made the right call by staying. He would have been out of Indy in 3 years after 3 losing seasons. Luck=overrated.
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Belichick wasn't very good in CLE. Before that, he was winning Super bowls as a coordinator.
Maybe, but Josh has really only been great with Brady. Even if he he was just mediocre in Denver, he was still god-awful as the Rams OC the following year when they lost 14 games and Sam Bradford had the worst season of his career.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
I suspect that's just fine by Josh McDaniels since he's going to be the next Patriots' head coach.
Ask yourself -- would you want to be the next head coach after Greg Popovich, or the next head coach after Jason Kidd?
I think your prospects of succeeding are always better if you take over a franchise with really strong infrastructure in place, instead of heading up a dysfunctional franchise with a single superstar and disarray everywhere else.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
I suspect that's just fine by Josh McDaniels since he's going to be the next Patriots' head coach.
Ask yourself -- would you want to be the next head coach after Greg Popovich, or the next head coach after Jason Kidd?
I think your prospects of succeeding are always better if you take over a franchise with really strong infrastructure in place, instead of heading up a dysfunctional franchise with a single superstar and disarray everywhere else.
How good is the Patriots infrastructure without Bill there though? I mean Kraft has allegedly been interfering a lot more this season and that is with Bill there. And what happens to the team without Brady?
As for your question, I'd rather coach Giannis then the Spurs without Leonard (which is a more apt comparison since the Patriots are soon going to be without Brady), even as good as Buford and that organization is (though again how much of that is Pop), at the end of the day talent is what wins and I'd rather have the franchise altering talent then the unknown.
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Kraft or Irsay? That's a no brainer.
Who knows how the Pats will look post Brady. It's not like Kraft was running a dump organization before Belichick got there either, though. 4 playoff appearances including a SB loss. So I think the organization will still be stable & continue to be a better employer when contrasted with the Colts. Performance-wise, they'll certainly take a step back. That's what happens when you lose someone like Brady. But they'll still be a good organization and the Krafts seem to be more stable and better decision makers that Irsay.
Outside of Luck (and even that is a huge question mark right now), what does the Colts organization really offer right now?
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Kraft or Irsay? That's a no brainer.
Who knows how the Pats will look post Brady. It's not like Kraft was running a dump organization before Belichick got there either, though. 4 playoff appearances including a SB loss. So I think the organization will still be stable & continue to be a better employer when contrasted with the Colts. Performance-wise, they'll certainly take a step back. That's what happens when you lose someone like Brady. But they'll still be a good organization and the Krafts seem to be more stable and better decision makers that Irsay.
Outside of Luck (and even that is a huge question mark right now), what does the Colts organization really offer right now?
Are you forgetting that Kraft bought the team when they had the #1 pick (Bledsoe) and Bill Parcells? I forget the timing of when that trio came together, but it was close. The Patriots are still feeling the effects of the foundation that Parcells laid down, thanks to Belichick. Kraft has had the luxury of relying on two of the greatest football minds in NFL history (Parcells and Belichick) to help run the team. I'm sorry, but McDaniels is not close to those two guys. Heck, Pete Carroll wasn't close to them, when he was here. Kraft has also had the luxury of basically having two quarterbacks during his ownership (Bledsoe and Brady). I'm sorry, but finding quarterbacks of that stature are extremely difficult.
The Patriots have also been drafting in the mid to high 20's for how many years now? Outside of a 40 plus year old Brady and a possible soon to retire Gronk, what other elite talent does this team possess? Belichick has gotten the most out of the players on the roster, and I highly doubt McDaniels could do the same.
To me, Belichick has proven that he could win without Brady (2008 season, and Brady suspension). Can Brady win without Belichick? Can McDaniels win without both Belichick and Brady?
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Kraft or Irsay? That's a no brainer.
Who knows how the Pats will look post Brady. It's not like Kraft was running a dump organization before Belichick got there either, though. 4 playoff appearances including a SB loss. So I think the organization will still be stable & continue to be a better employer when contrasted with the Colts. Performance-wise, they'll certainly take a step back. That's what happens when you lose someone like Brady. But they'll still be a good organization and the Krafts seem to be more stable and better decision makers that Irsay.
Outside of Luck (and even that is a huge question mark right now), what does the Colts organization really offer right now?
Are you forgetting that Kraft bought the team when they had the #1 pick (Bledsoe) and Bill Parcells? I forget the timing of when that trio came together, but it was close. The Patriots are still feeling the effects of the foundation that Parcells laid down, thanks to Belichick. Kraft has had the luxury of relying on two of the greatest football minds in NFL history (Parcells and Belichick) to help run the team. I'm sorry, but McDaniels is not close to those two guys. Heck, Pete Carroll wasn't close to them, when he was here. Kraft has also had the luxury of basically having two quarterbacks during his ownership (Bledsoe and Brady). I'm sorry, but finding quarterbacks of that stature are extremely difficult.
The Patriots have also been drafting in the mid to high 20's for how many years now? Outside of a 40 plus year old Brady and a possible soon to retire Gronk, what other elite talent does this team possess? Belichick has gotten the most out of the players on the roster, and I highly doubt McDaniels could do the same.
To me, Belichick has proven that he could win without Brady (2008 season, and Brady suspension). Can Brady win without Belichick? Can McDaniels win without both Belichick and Brady?
I'm not forgetting anything. I'm well versed in their history. Kraft bought the team with Parcells & Bledsoe on board (Orthwein was the previous owner that brought in Parcells and was also there for the #1 pick in '93).
Kraft has nearly a 25 year old track record of pretty sustained success with this organization. He's had his hiccups (see Connecticut & the '96 draft) but it's a well run organization. He's the one that made the decision to bring in Belichick when Belichick wasn't Belichick. Do people forget how much flack was given at the time and even up through the first quarter of the '01 season? McDaniels also has familiarity with the organization. That goes a long ways. Meanwhile, look at Indy's recent history.
I have no idea if McDaniels can win without Brady (the Belichick part is irrelevant). Will we see a repeat of the past 17 years? Absolutely not. But are we going to start seeing 1-15 or 2-14 seasons all of a sudden? I'm not quite sure. Given the stability in this organization and the way it has been run the past 24 years, I'm not inclined to believe that either.
Again, what give Indy the one up on New England here? A younger but very injury concerned Andrew Luck? What else? That was the gist of my prior post. NE v. Indy.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
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Kraft or Irsay? That's a no brainer.
Who knows how the Pats will look post Brady. It's not like Kraft was running a dump organization before Belichick got there either, though. 4 playoff appearances including a SB loss. So I think the organization will still be stable & continue to be a better employer when contrasted with the Colts. Performance-wise, they'll certainly take a step back. That's what happens when you lose someone like Brady. But they'll still be a good organization and the Krafts seem to be more stable and better decision makers that Irsay.
Outside of Luck (and even that is a huge question mark right now), what does the Colts organization really offer right now?
Are you forgetting that Kraft bought the team when they had the #1 pick (Bledsoe) and Bill Parcells? I forget the timing of when that trio came together, but it was close. The Patriots are still feeling the effects of the foundation that Parcells laid down, thanks to Belichick. Kraft has had the luxury of relying on two of the greatest football minds in NFL history (Parcells and Belichick) to help run the team. I'm sorry, but McDaniels is not close to those two guys. Heck, Pete Carroll wasn't close to them, when he was here. Kraft has also had the luxury of basically having two quarterbacks during his ownership (Bledsoe and Brady). I'm sorry, but finding quarterbacks of that stature are extremely difficult.
The Patriots have also been drafting in the mid to high 20's for how many years now? Outside of a 40 plus year old Brady and a possible soon to retire Gronk, what other elite talent does this team possess? Belichick has gotten the most out of the players on the roster, and I highly doubt McDaniels could do the same.
To me, Belichick has proven that he could win without Brady (2008 season, and Brady suspension). Can Brady win without Belichick? Can McDaniels win without both Belichick and Brady?
Without Brady Belichick has coached 7 full seasons. He's made the playoffs once. He won 1 game.
Without Brady he is 54-66.
I'm not sure you can really say he's proven he can win without Brady.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
That's why certain other franchises will never win. Let them have the Rex Ryans and Jeff Fishers of the world.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
.... and because that same agent represents the Colts GM. He had to pick one or the other, and throw the other under the bus.
I wonder if McDaniels needs to cut the agent in on any proceeds from the new contract he has with the Pats?
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
Nonsense. If McDaniels wants to move next year, he'll have suitors. But he won't want to move, because he just signed a long term extension with the Pats which gives him more responsibility, probably lots more money, and a decent shot to take over as HC when BB leaves.
But again, if he wanted to move, he would be able to. Teams want to win. They won't care a year from now that the Colts got jilted.
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Wouldn't you rather have a decade of Andrew Luck rather than whatever random player replaces Brady.
McDaniels will have other opportunities.
But the situation he's in right now is a really good one. He's the OC working with the GOAT. Why not ride it a bit until a really good situation comes along?
His only shot at a head coaching job is New England. no one else will hire him now.
Yahoo agrees
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-petulant-move-jilting-colts-provides-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html
That's why certain other franchises will never win. Let them have the Rex Ryans and Jeff Fishers of the world.
I agree. I posted this on Pats Pulpit:
I don't understand why some people seem upset about McDaniels "burning bridges" with the rest of the NFL. It’s as though they’re personally concerned about his lifelong professional well being, or like they feel that we as fans should be concerned about that sort of thing. He’s a big boy; he’ll be fine one way or another. If he’s content to be a New England lifer, fine. If not, remember that this is the NFL, which annually has several sucky teams desperate for coaches, and I’ve no doubt that at least one of them will come begging at McD’s doorstep at some point, even if it’s years down the road.
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Let's get this straight right now. Franchises fire coaches with years left on their contracts all the time. They get paid the money so no big deal. Coaches also sometimes leave teams while they have contracts. I mean that's what they wanted him to do right? He had a contract and they wanted him to come to them anyway, right? So then he never gets a dime from them and changes his mind and it's career suicide? Wouldn't getting rid of your own client be career suicide? I mean who's the employee here?
Hey Indy. Did it occur to you maybe you committed franchise suicide when you went all cry baby tattle tale on the league?
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Don't the Red Sox have all kinds of banners hanging, not just the World Series wins? I seem to recall seeing some from plenty of non-championship seasons, like 46, 75, 86. I think I've seen others as well. I mean a great franchise should have more pride than that, right?
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
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Robert Kraft seems to be avoiding criticism so far. Did he wait until the last minute just so he could stick it to the Colts? It didn't seem like any secret that McDaniels was taking the Indy job for the past 3 weeks or so. Why the change of heart for McDaniels but not Patricia? BTW, lets say McDaniels becomes the next head coach and signs a 5 year deal. Does Kraft had the heart to fire McDaniels after year 3 or 4, assuming the team is far worst than anyone could have imagined? After all, Robert Kraft does have a hand in crafting McDaniels' now Benedict Arnold image, and will have a strong sense of just how he may never get another opportunity in the NFL.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
I am indifferent to the 16-0 banner and likely lean towards not having it but again it is a historic feat so I think it is at least reasonable. AFC Finalist banners are pretty pathetic. Of course I could be blinded by my disdain for Irsay and the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
I am indifferent to the 16-0 banner and likely lean towards not having it but again it is a historic feat so I think it is at least reasonable. AFC Finalist banners are pretty pathetic. Of course I could be blinded by my disdain for Irsay and the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
The Red Sox have American League East championship banners hanging (or at least have fairly recently).
For example, this PHOTO (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=5a%2fmput1&id=07C2793FF7B42584361400C9136DB4553E558B03&thid=OIP.5a_mput1sVNShQEV332YnAHaEV&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2f564x%2fb1%2f26%2f12%2fb12612c23b8096a6f875f7af402cdb64.jpg&exph=293&expw=500&q=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&simid=608047962559940711&selectedIndex=12&qpvt=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&ajaxhist=0) shows banners from 67, 75, 86, 88, 90, 95, and 04. Only 1 WS title and 3 AL East titles on teams that didn't even make the WS.
You are just being ridiculous because it is the Colts.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
I am indifferent to the 16-0 banner and likely lean towards not having it but again it is a historic feat so I think it is at least reasonable. AFC Finalist banners are pretty pathetic. Of course I could be blinded by my disdain for Irsay and the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
The Red Sox have American League East championship banners hanging (or at least have fairly recently).
For example, this PHOTO (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=5a%2fmput1&id=07C2793FF7B42584361400C9136DB4553E558B03&thid=OIP.5a_mput1sVNShQEV332YnAHaEV&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2f564x%2fb1%2f26%2f12%2fb12612c23b8096a6f875f7af402cdb64.jpg&exph=293&expw=500&q=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&simid=608047962559940711&selectedIndex=12&qpvt=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&ajaxhist=0) shows banners from 67, 75, 86, 88, 90, 95, and 04. Only 1 WS title and 3 AL East titles on teams that didn't even make the WS.
You are just being ridiculous because it is the Colts.
1) I have already said that I could be blinded by my disdain for the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
2) Plentu of teams in all sports raise banners/celebrate division titles. Like it or not that is common. There may be others but the Colts are the only team I know of that celebrates being runners up in any fashion.
3) Again, this may be me taking a shot at a team I despise.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
I am indifferent to the 16-0 banner and likely lean towards not having it but again it is a historic feat so I think it is at least reasonable. AFC Finalist banners are pretty pathetic. Of course I could be blinded by my disdain for Irsay and the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
The Red Sox have American League East championship banners hanging (or at least have fairly recently).
For example, this PHOTO (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=5a%2fmput1&id=07C2793FF7B42584361400C9136DB4553E558B03&thid=OIP.5a_mput1sVNShQEV332YnAHaEV&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2f564x%2fb1%2f26%2f12%2fb12612c23b8096a6f875f7af402cdb64.jpg&exph=293&expw=500&q=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&simid=608047962559940711&selectedIndex=12&qpvt=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&ajaxhist=0) shows banners from 67, 75, 86, 88, 90, 95, and 04. Only 1 WS title and 3 AL East titles on teams that didn't even make the WS.
You are just being ridiculous because it is the Colts.
1) I have already said that I could be blinded by my disdain for the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
2) Plentu of teams in all sports raise banners/celebrate division titles. Like it or not that is common. There may be others but the Colts are the only team I know of that celebrates being runners up in any fashion.
3) Again, this may be me taking a shot at a team I despise.
(1) true.
(2) an AL East Title or a WS appearance, is in fact a team celebrating being runners-up. the exact thing you are disrespecting the Colts for the Red Sox do. The Boston Bruins have all sorts of non-Title banners. Heck even the Patriots have the perfect season banner, you know a season they didn't win the Super Bowl.
(3) true.
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McDaniels agent has left him, claiming McDaniels is committing professional suicide.
As for the Colts, Irsay took over the team outright when his father died in 1997. The first two seasons the Colts were 3-13 in each, but since then they have had just 3 seasons below .500, 2001 when they were 6-10, 2011 they were 2-14 (that was the year Peyton missed), and then this year without Luck when they were 4-12. They went to 2 Super Bowls winning 1 during that time. Let's not pretend the Colts are the Browns. They aren't. And sure Irsay at times acts like a spoiled brat, but by and large he has been at the helm of a highly successful franchise.
They may not be the Browns but they proudly hoist "AFC Finalist" banners after getting whooped 45-7 in the AFC Championship game. A great franchise would have more pride than that...
Would a team proudly hoist an undefeated regular season banner, that lost the Super Bowl?
Only one team in history has had an undefeated 16 game regular season. Four teams a year are conference finalists. I think one of these feats is at least reasonably banner worthy.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want to see a banner that reminds me of one of the biggest disappointments in sports history. I thought it was completely embarrassing when they put that banner up, especially from a franchise that had prided itself in winning three titles at that time.
I am indifferent to the 16-0 banner and likely lean towards not having it but again it is a historic feat so I think it is at least reasonable. AFC Finalist banners are pretty pathetic. Of course I could be blinded by my disdain for Irsay and the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
The Red Sox have American League East championship banners hanging (or at least have fairly recently).
For example, this PHOTO (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=5a%2fmput1&id=07C2793FF7B42584361400C9136DB4553E558B03&thid=OIP.5a_mput1sVNShQEV332YnAHaEV&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2f564x%2fb1%2f26%2f12%2fb12612c23b8096a6f875f7af402cdb64.jpg&exph=293&expw=500&q=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&simid=608047962559940711&selectedIndex=12&qpvt=boston+red+sox+championship+banners+at+fenway&ajaxhist=0) shows banners from 67, 75, 86, 88, 90, 95, and 04. Only 1 WS title and 3 AL East titles on teams that didn't even make the WS.
You are just being ridiculous because it is the Colts.
1) I have already said that I could be blinded by my disdain for the Colts and am likely taking a petty shot at them.
2) Plentu of teams in all sports raise banners/celebrate division titles. Like it or not that is common. There may be others but the Colts are the only team I know of that celebrates being runners up in any fashion.
3) Again, this may be me taking a shot at a team I despise.
(1) true.
(2) an AL East Title or a WS appearance, is in fact a team celebrating being runners-up. the exact thing you are disrespecting the Colts for the Red Sox do. The Boston Bruins have all sorts of non-Title banners. Heck even the Patriots have the perfect season banner, you know a season they didn't win the Super Bowl.
(3) true.
No it isnt. This isn't just Colts haters. This is a widely ridiculed thing that people rip on the Colts for doing.
There's a reason people Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. on the Colts for it. Its not just bias.
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No it isnt. This isn't just Colts haters. This is a widely ridiculed thing that people rip on the Colts for doing.
There's a reason people **** on the Colts for it. Its not just bias.
By "people" you mean crazed Pats fans, sure. No one else cares at all and other teams do it, like they said. No one else cares.
Sorry to break it to you but if you go around the country (living in different areas as I have) the Pats and their fans are disdained in many cases, more than any team or fanbase these days, and it can be for this exact kind of thing. And seeing it for years now the craziest part is the complete lack of awareness of it, as this post hints at. I think it's the victim complex that does it.
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No it isnt. This isn't just Colts haters. This is a widely ridiculed thing that people rip on the Colts for doing.
There's a reason people **** on the Colts for it. Its not just bias.
By "people" you mean crazed Pats fans, sure. No one else cares at all and other teams do it, like they said. No one else cares.
Sorry to break it to you but if you go around the country (living in different areas as I have) the Pats and their fans are disdained in many cases, more than any team or fanbase these days, and it can be for this exact kind of thing. And seeing it for years now the craziest part is the complete lack of awareness of it, as this post hints at. I think it's the victim complex that does it.
Pats fans obsess over it more than other for sure.
However, many Colts fans and non-biased people around the league roll their eyes at the idea of an AFC Finalist banner. There were plenty of articles written about it from outside the Boston media. Colts fans have fun with it to.
It's not evidence of a ****ty organization by any means, but its something that plenty of people chuckle about.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Colts/comments/7vsbp5/to_be_raised_at_the_2018_home_opener/
Also, I've lived in the DC area, Chicago area, and in Indiana. I'm well aware how most people view the Patriots and our loud fanbase.