Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?

[tarheelsxxiii]

We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

He's playing on one of the best teams in the NBA, with a ton of support around him, and a wizard of a coach.  So it really depends how you define superstar.  If every team has one, for example, then sure.. he's a superstar.

Main difference is, Kyrie's playing MUCH better defense than Isaiah ever could.

But I mean, Isaiah was an MVP candidate last year too and averaged 29/6 (carried us to ECF as well), but no one considered him a superstar.

He's the weakest link in the best defense in the NBA.

[LilRip]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

[tarheelsxxiii]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

Every other person on your list is an elite two-way player (minus Steph, the best shooter of all-time) and arguably the most athletic player at his position.  Kyrie literally sucks at half of the game that is played.  I don't see how he can be a top 10 player with that. 

[gouki88]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

Every other person on your list is an elite two-way player (minus Steph, the best shooter of all-time) and arguably the most athletic player at his position.  Kyrie literally sucks at half of the game that is played. He's not a top 10 player, unless Damian Lillard is 10b.  As another poster recently replied on a comment of mine, "this is crap."

You're literally wrong.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

Every other person on your list is an elite two-way player (minus Steph, the best shooter of all-time) and arguably the most athletic player at his position.  Kyrie literally sucks at half of the game that is played. He's not a top 10 player, unless Damian Lillard is 10b.  As another poster recently replied on a comment of mine, "this is crap."

You're literally wrong.

Oh good.  I don't know what part you're referring to, but what's the evidence against?

[gouki88]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

Every other person on your list is an elite two-way player (minus Steph, the best shooter of all-time) and arguably the most athletic player at his position.  Kyrie literally sucks at half of the game that is played. He's not a top 10 player, unless Damian Lillard is 10b.  As another poster recently replied on a comment of mine, "this is crap."

You're literally wrong.

Oh good.  I don't know what part you're referring to, but what's the evidence against?

Well I know that when I say something like "he's clearly more engaged on defence here than in Cleveland, and has been playing solidly both in 1v1 defensive situations and in team defence" you'd just ignore it and not provide any evidence of your own.

What's the point?

[moiso]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

Every other person on your list is an elite two-way player (minus Steph, the best shooter of all-time) and arguably the most athletic player at his position.  Kyrie literally sucks at half of the game that is played.  I don't see how he can be a top 10 player with that.

Westbrook doesn't play great defense.  It looks to me like Irving is playing defense at least as well as Westbrook this year.  And Westbrook has trouble playing with others.  I think he concentrates more on his rebounding numbers and pre and post game outfits than he thinks about getting the most out of his teammates.

[rondofan1255]

potential Finals MVP with the C's 

[Eddie20]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

[Phantom255x]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

[Eddie20]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

[Phantom255x]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

Fair enough, but Cousins is above him for sure. Guy is having a monster, MVP season at the moment.

[Eddie20]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

Fair enough, but Cousins is above him for sure. Guy is having a monster, MVP season at the moment.

No way. He's Derrick Coleman 2.0, a highly talented player who gives inconsistent effort and seems to have an overall negative effect on a franchise. He's a stats without substance guy.

[Phantom255x]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

Fair enough, but Cousins is above him for sure. Guy is having a monster, MVP season at the moment.

No way. He's Derrick Coleman 2.0, a highly talented player who gives inconsistent effort and seems to have an overall negative effect on a franchise. He's a stats without substance guy.

Well, he's a big part of why the Pelicans look decent so far lol.

Idk Cousins is a polarizing player. But statistically he's playing like a superstar and is an MVP-candidate at the moment.

[moiso]

Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

Fair enough, but Cousins is above him for sure. Guy is having a monster, MVP season at the moment.

No way. He's Derrick Coleman 2.0, a highly talented player who gives inconsistent effort and seems to have an overall negative effect on a franchise. He's a stats without substance guy.

Well, he's a big part of why the Pelicans look decent so far lol.

Idk Cousins is a polarizing player. But statistically he's playing like a superstar and is an MVP-candidate at the moment.

Yet he was traded for peanuts while Irving cost us an arm and a leg.