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Re: Tatum/Draymond picture
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2022, 12:27:47 AM »

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I think JT was on his podcast earlier in the season...no big deal here.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2022, 12:29:48 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2022, 01:12:14 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

It's not even pettiness, it's just naivete. They're not mortal enemies. They're basketball players who are paid to entertain. They can be opponents on the court and not off. Most of these guys have existing friendships before they're even drafted because of AAU. They train together in offseasons and play Team USA ball together.

And for all the old men that are about to shake their fists at the sky while yelling "back in my day," why are we pretending Magic Johnson and Larry Bird aren't great friends? Even KG was cool with Kobe - they talked about teaming up on the Lakers before he was traded here.

I think JT was on his podcast earlier in the season...no big deal here.

I think you're confusing that with JJ Redick's podcast, which is a really great interview. The people who think he doesn't want to be here should listen to it. He wants to be here and he wants to win with Jaylen.
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Re: Tatum/Draymond picture
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2022, 01:17:47 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

It's not even pettiness, it's just naivete. They're not mortal enemies. They're basketball players who are paid to entertain. They can be opponents on the court and not off. Most of these guys have existing friendships before they're even drafted because of AAU. They train together in offseasons and play Team USA ball together.

And for all the old men that are about to shake their fists at the sky while yelling "back in my day," why are we pretending Magic Johnson and Larry Bird aren't great friends? Even KG was cool with Kobe - they talked about teaming up on the Lakers before he was traded here.

You gotta admit the KG-LeBron sort of rivalry was delicious, even though Lebron got the last laugh...

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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2022, 01:51:40 AM »

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Why put this pic up, Tatum ?

This group's propensity for hugging up with Celtic villain's is beyond my comprehension. First Kyrie, now this idiot Green, who Cedric Maxwell made clear would have been knocked out by the 80's Celtics. Both Irving and Green have shown intentional, blatant disrespect to the Celtic fans in Boston Garden and for the franchise and our tradition. In my book, this is being soft.

I remember Paul Silas talking about the 70's group and how they never helped up an opponent off the floor because they were considered to be the enemy. That is a verbatim quote and is the attitude I have seen Celtic teams play with for years.
This isn't the 70s, 80s or 90s anymore. Guys don't look at it that way any longer. Many of them are friends off the floor. They have trainers, friends, coaches in common. Or hung out in Vegas during the offseason or whatever.

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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2022, 02:29:25 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

After the awful Finals Tatum just had, I think he should be burning with a passion for a rematch and a shot at revenge, not hanging out with one of the guys who just whooped him and his team. But maybe that’s just me.
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2022, 04:06:24 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").

And for all the old men that are about to shake their fists at the sky while yelling "back in my day," why are we pretending Magic Johnson and Larry Bird aren't great friends?


And for all the young kids who have a need to make condescending remarks about statements they don't agree with .............

Do you not remember that Magic tried to say hello to Larry when their teams ran into each other after Indiana State's practice the day before the 1979 NCAA title game and Bird ignored him ?

Do you also not remember what Larry said after they made the Converse tv commercial together at Bird's place in French Lick after the 1984 season? Larry talked about what a great day it was and how he got to know Magic in a different way than previously. Magic assumed that their rivalry would become less personal after that and Bird was quick to say, No, that it just wasn't in him to be friends and compete for the title at the same time. Larry and Ervin only became friends after they retired from playing.

While it is true that players these days have less combative relationships off the court, it does not mean this is a good thing for the game. It has led to the formation of "super teams" made up of stars manipulating the system in an attempt to win titles. Imagine Bird and Magic and Dr. J managing to team up in the 80's. It would have destroyed the NBA's golden decade.  We would have been deprived of some of the all-time great games and clutch performances in league history. The game was far superior when players were more focused on the development of the team they currently played for and/or were drafted by than the roster chaos of today.

Yes, I do hate all the love-a-thon hugfests after games these days. Hanging out socially with opponents just does not sit right with me. Even worse is hugging up with opponents you just lost to after they blatantly insulted your fans (Green, Irving) or your franchise traditions (Irving). I appreciated Cedric Maxwell's comments about how Draymond Green would have been dealt with in the past. Just because things were done differently then does not make them the wrong way now. On the contrary.

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Re: Tatum/Draymond picture
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2022, 08:31:16 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").

And for all the old men that are about to shake their fists at the sky while yelling "back in my day," why are we pretending Magic Johnson and Larry Bird aren't great friends?


And for all the young kids who have a need to make condescending remarks about statements they don't agree with .............

Do you not remember that Magic tried to say hello to Larry when their teams ran into each other after Indiana State's practice the day before the 1979 NCAA title game and Bird ignored him ?

Do you also not remember what Larry said after they made the Converse tv commercial together at Bird's place in French Lick after the 1984 season? Larry talked about what a great day it was and how he got to know Magic in a different way than previously. Magic assumed that their rivalry would become less personal after that and Bird was quick to say, No, that it just wasn't in him to be friends and compete for the title at the same time. Larry and Ervin only became friends after they retired from playing.

While it is true that players these days have less combative relationships off the court, it does not mean this is a good thing for the game. It has led to the formation of "super teams" made up of stars manipulating the system in an attempt to win titles. Imagine Bird and Magic and Dr. J managing to team up in the 80's. It would have destroyed the NBA's golden decade.  We would have been deprived of some of the all-time great games and clutch performances in league history. The game was far superior when players were more focused on the development of the team they currently played for and/or were drafted by than the roster chaos of today.

Yes, I do hate all the love-a-thon hugfests after games these days. Hanging out socially with opponents just does not sit right with me. Even worse is hugging up with opponents you just lost to after they blatantly insulted your fans (Green, Irving) or your franchise traditions (Irving). I appreciated Cedric Maxwell's comments about how Draymond Green would have been dealt with in the past. Just because things were done differently then does not make them the wrong way now. On the contrary.
You mean like Magic only going pro when the Lakers won the coin toss and got the 1st pick and him being on the record that he would have gone back to MSU had the Bulls won it.  You know because he wanted to play with Kareem.  Or maybe the reigning MVP forcing his way to a team that was in the Finals the year before that had the MVP directly preceding him (i.e. Moses going to the Sixers with Dr. J).  Yet that is only a modern development.  Give me a break.  Great players have wanted to play with other great players since the dawn of the league.  Free agency just makes it easier to get it done.  And if the Celtics never put McHale around Bird, he probably would have left.  Jordan certainly would have left the Bulls had they not gotten Pippen. 
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2022, 08:32:04 AM »

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Much smaller deal than some people make this out to be. They won the Olympics together, they’re buddies. Get over it.

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2022, 08:39:31 AM »

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I am friends  with some people at companies I compete with. Big deal. I could care less who Tatum is friends with as long as he gives his all for us.

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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2022, 08:52:31 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

It's not even pettiness, it's just naivete. They're not mortal enemies. They're basketball players who are paid to entertain. They can be opponents on the court and not off. Most of these guys have existing friendships before they're even drafted because of AAU. They train together in offseasons and play Team USA ball together.

And for all the old men that are about to shake their fists at the sky while yelling "back in my day," why are we pretending Magic Johnson and Larry Bird aren't great friends? Even KG was cool with Kobe - they talked about teaming up on the Lakers before he was traded here.

I think JT was on his podcast earlier in the season...no big deal here.

I think you're confusing that with JJ Redick's podcast, which is a really great interview. The people who think he doesn't want to be here should listen to it. He wants to be here and he wants to win with Jaylen.

He was on Draymond’s podcast back on April 1st and has been on Redick’s twice.  They’re all really good

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2022, 08:56:08 AM »

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I want Tatum to be friends with everyone who has a ring, so they can flash it in his face and motivate him more (not that I think he lacks for motivation).  Also, you can like someone off the court and go really hard at them on the court.  Heck, sometimes you go hardest at your friends because you know the loser will hear about it after.

There’s really nothing to see here, at all.

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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2022, 09:01:39 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

After the awful Finals Tatum just had, I think he should be burning with a passion for a rematch and a shot at revenge, not hanging out with one of the guys who just whooped him and his team. But maybe that’s just me.
They are not remotely close to mutually exclusive. Weird that you think they are
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2022, 09:48:19 AM »

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Why put this pic up, Tatum ?

This group's propensity for hugging up with Celtic villain's is beyond my comprehension. First Kyrie, now this idiot Green, who Cedric Maxwell made clear would have been knocked out by the 80's Celtics. Both Irving and Green have shown intentional, blatant disrespect to the Celtic fans in Boston Garden and for the franchise and our tradition. In my book, this is being soft.

I remember Paul Silas talking about the 70's group and how they never helped up an opponent off the floor because they were considered to be the enemy. That is a verbatim quote and is the attitude I have seen Celtic teams play with for years.

These players live in a different world now though...back then player movement across teams, let alone across the country, was much less common. These days you have players getting traded, moving through free agency, etc. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these guys get to meet each other during AAU ball, then you have social media, email, texts...back in the 70s if you wanted to talk to another player you had to pick up the phone or physically meet them. So a lot of that tribalism and "hatred" just isn't there anymore. Because like KD, the guy that you hated (Draymond) may end up being your teammate next season. Though in that case maybe the hate didn't dissipate as much as we all thought.) So you don't want to hate them just because they play for a different team, because it can all change so quickly.

The Athletic had an article about it during the finals:

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Things like AAU, player mobility and Team USA have essentially ruined rivalries between players. Most beefs, scraps and playoff series end in mutual respect, friendship and even being teammates. Remember, Kevin Durant played against the Warriors before he played for the Warriors.

The fans are the ones who carry grudges. Curry, born in Akron, Ohio, could, to this day, win an election for dog catcher in northeast Ohio while carrying roughly zero percent of the vote among women age 55 and up. (My mom may or may not have been included in exit polling for this one.) He did too much shimmying, smirking and 3-point splashing while beating the Cavaliers all those years.

Rivalries among players tend to last longer when there is actual violence — and not the face-to-face kind. It is far more likely the Warriors’ players hold a grudge against Dillon Brooks of the Grizzlies for what he did to Gary Payton II than against any Celtic for what’s transpired in these finals so far.

The 2022 finals has a little edge to it, to be sure, but we’re a long way from anything that lasts.

https://theathletic.com/3358345/2022/06/10/nba-finals-warriors-celtics-rivalry/

And specifically with the relationship between Tatum and Draymond, written just after Game 3:

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BOSTON — The most hated man in Boston was, just before midnight Wednesday, having a very cordial conversation with Jayson Tatum’s mother, Brandy Cole, who had Tatum’s son, Deuce, at her side.

She did not appear to despise Draymond Green.

“We’re not talking to you!” Cole said to Green, smiling.

Then, Green demanded Deuce give him five. Deuce hesitated, so Green lifted the 4-year-old high into the air, his little head almost touching the ceiling. Then little Deuce and Green’s son, D.J., who’d sat on the podium with his father, took a picture together.

This was about 45 minutes after Celtics fans had been chanting “F— you, Draymond!” in stereo, on opposite sides of TD Garden. They alternated that chant throughout Game 3 of the NBA Finals with “Draymond sucks!”

https://theathletic.com/3356523/2022/06/09/draymond-green-game-3-warriors-celtics/

Draymond recently had Tatum on his podcast as a guest for an hour. And they played together in Team USA. I think it's all those interactions that make it hard for someone to "hate" someone else just because of the team they play for these days. As fans we love these rivalries, because we have no stake other than cheering for a team (and because we're fanatics  :laugh:). Sports is about us vs them, and the more hate the juicier and memorable the rivalry. But for players I think it gets harder when they know each other much more than they did in the past.

But as the article mentioned, if someone injures someone, and they feel it's deliberate, then it's a different story. I'm sure there's a handful of those genuine hatreds, but for the most part the competitiveness is left on the court and not carried on off it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2022, 11:35:11 AM »

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Awesome. Hang out with one of the guys you just lost to. I've been saying that Tatum will leave the Celtics for the Lakers, but maybe he'll leave for the Warriors instead, á la KD ("If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!").
It's pretty funny how much more petty fans are than players

After the awful Finals Tatum just had, I think he should be burning with a passion for a rematch and a shot at revenge, not hanging out with one of the guys who just whooped him and his team. But maybe that’s just me.
They are not remotely close to mutually exclusive. Weird that you think they are

I don't think it's weird at all. Seems to me like it would be very difficult to maintain a high level of focus on a professional goal while hanging out with one of the main individuals who just kept you from reaching that goal and could very well be in the way once again next season. And I think Draymond's a savvy-enough guy to see something like this as an opportunity to get a bit of a psychological edge on one of his chief opponents—you know, get friendly with the guy off the court, so that when they're on the court together, Tatum doesn't see him as 100% "the enemy." Sometimes you need to soften the opponent only a little in order to get the upper hand.
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