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Beyond the Association => Global Basketball => Topic started by: greece66 on June 17, 2017, 08:05:06 AM
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I'm starting the thread a tad early but there are lots of things to be excited about, and once the draft will be done this should be one of the hottest topics
Things to be excited about
- It's massive. 24 national teams will be playing on four different countries (Finland, Romania, Israel and Turkey)
- Rosters have to be confirmed but there will be lots of NBA players and young European prospects (no Doncic though, saltlover, Slovenia somehow managed to stay out)
- and prolly the best reason of them all, Great Britain plays as a single country (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argh8anOJQA)
Official website (http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017)
Wikipedia has a good entry with the groups and the schedule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2017)
PS woah, my bad Slovenia is in, and is actually in the same group as Greece. We play on Sept. 3.
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So, the format is p straightforward. 24 teams in 4 groups of 6. 4 teams qualify from each group to give you a first round of 16. And then they play one game elimination rounds to the end.
At the groups stage, the rules for classification are 1) Points; 2) Head-to-head results; 3) Points difference; 4) Points scored.
I now add the groups
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TP for the labor. Euro is always so competitive with teams tightly matched. Looking forward to it. For Croatia, Žižić and Hezonja canceled the appearance.
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Androslav, I'm also really excited about this one. I like that they spread the organization over four countries and that there will be countries that got very little coverage previously (GB, Iceland, Finland, Romania and others).
I also think the competition will be tight. There are lots of teams that could end up winning the gold. To name a few: Spain, France, Turkey - the playoffs will be played in Istanbul- , Russia, Lithuania, Croatia.
Any ideas on how Croatia's starting 5 might look up in September?
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I was briefly sad at no Doncic! Thanks for posting this so far in advance, as I now have months to plan my sleep schedule and figure out how to watch the games.
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I was briefly sad at no Doncic! Thanks for posting this so far in advance, as I now have months to plan my sleep schedule and figure out how to watch the games.
Yes, sorry for that, my brain must have confused Slovenia with Slovakia or sthg.
Streams for European games are usually better quality than the NBA ones bcs there are less viewers and FIBA doesnt care much about copyright.
You can find here the schedule in PDF http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/full-schedule.pdf
Games start between 13.45 and 20.00 (GMT+3). iirc you are in GMT-7, so the late games will be in the morning your time.
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Androslav, I'm also really excited about this one. I like that they spread the organization over four countries and that there will be countries that got very little coverage previously (GB, Iceland, Finland, Romania and others).
I also think the competition will be tight. There are lots of teams that could end up winning the gold. To name a few: Spain, France, Turkey - the playoffs will be played in Istanbul-, Russia, Lithuania, Croatia.
Any ideas on how Croatia's starting 5 might look up in September?
Not sure about our 5 right now.
Forwards are clear, Šarić and Bogdanović, our 2 best players.
Center position IMO will go down between Planinić (good Olympics, physical rebounder, goes to and hits FT's), and Zubac (good touch inside, solid but young)
Guard position has been our trouble for a decade now. 2 will probably still be Simon's (smart, good PNR player, fairly unathletic) and PG spot is either Ukić (only a defensive contributor now, plays cause we didn't develop younger ones) or some international fast guard a la Draper (Real M, already played 2 times for us), if both sides can make it work.
There are 25 names on the list up till now, so still a long way to go.
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[dang] wish I could have fun like you guys, HK is really bad at bball even in Asia. Have fun btw, supporting the team with the most Celtics in it (please tell me is there any team with a current Celtic lol)
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[dang] wish I could have fun like you guys, HK is really bad at bball even in Asia. Have fun btw, supporting the team with the most Celtics in it (please tell me is there any team with a current Celtic lol)
Italy got Datome, but
Just support Greece xD we da best xd
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A couple of days ago a bought my tickets
Helsinki here i come :D
Androslav, I'm also really excited about this one. I like that they spread the organization over four countries and that there will be countries that got very little coverage previously (GB, Iceland, Finland, Romania and others).
To be honest i don't like it.... 24 teams are far too many imho. There are many countries with 5-6 half decent players + an American scorer. It looks more like club competition ....
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I also think there are too many teams, it seems 16 are enough to keep the talent level up.
I hope Gasol and Hernangómez brothers can go with us. Along with Ibaka/Mirotic, it would be the best inside rotation by far (I don't think I'm biased :-[)
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Jokic not playing for the Serbian team.
https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/881639216551219200
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Zubac will not participate for Croatia.
http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/novi-otkaz-reprezentaciji-zubac-ne-ide-na-eurobasket/980221.aspx
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I also think there are too many teams, it seems 16 are enough to keep the talent level up.
I hope Gasol and Hernangómez brothers can go with us. Along with Ibaka/Mirotic, it would be the best inside rotation by far (I don't think I'm biased :-[)
That's not bias, that is common sense :)
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About ten days ago, Kostas Missas was appointed head coach of the Greek national team.
I doubt he will stay long time: last time he coached at a high level was Panionios in 2002. Since then he has been on the Women and the U20 teams.
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/veteran-missas-takes-the-helm-of-greece
At the end of the article there is a list of Greece's friendlies:
Greece will host a tournament in Patras (August 7-8) that also features Romania and Ukraine and then take part in a Belgrade tournament with Montenegro and Serbia (August 11-12).
Greece will square off again from August 18-19 against Great Britain in two friendlies in London.
From August 23-25 in Athens at the famous Olympic stadium, OAKA, Greece will host the Eurobank Acropolis Tournament, taking on Serbia, Italy and Georgia.
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He was the only one to accept the position. Everyone else rejected it and i cant blame them.
Imho the coach is non that important. Giannis will run the show. The biggest problem is the rest of the roster. I find it strange that Greece appearsas 4thfavourite for the 1st place......
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Luka Babić (25) out for Croatia due to a knee injury. He was a contributor on a 1/4 finals team in the last years Olympics.
Good bench wing, solid in transition, long, switch happy, good on-ball defense and rebounding.
link (translate):
http://sportnet.rtl.hr/vijesti/487920/kosarka-reprezentacija/luka-babic-otpao-zbog-ozljede-marko-arapovic-jos-uvijek-pod-upitnikom/
Croatia is getting weaker at the perimeter slots.
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He was the only one to accept the position. Everyone else rejected it and i cant blame them.
Imho the coach is non that important. Giannis will run the show. The biggest problem is the rest of the roster. I find it strange that Greece appearsas 4thfavourite for the 1st place......
It's unclear what is going on with the roster. What I found online suggests that the Hellenic Basketball Federation compiled a list of players and Missas will not have much leverage in who gets called. I didn't like the sound of it, I just hope the reality is better what the leaks to the media suggest.
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Greece's preliminary squad
(https://i.gyazo.com/257fda650e91e60c167aa937b3484a77.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/antetokoumpo-headlines-newly-appointed-missas-squad-for-fiba-eurobasket-2017
Some quick notes:
-they are in alphabetical order (except from the -kounmpo brothers whose order was reversed)
wrong
-it has few veterans. iirc Printezis and Bourousis arethe only ones over 30 yo. Still not as many players under 25/24 as originally anticipated.
-It's still preliminary, I remember reading that August and Dorsey among others might not join in the end.
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Tyler Dorsey got injured. Doesn't seem to be serious (ankle sprain) but it's only 50 days to tip-off.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/dorsey-suffers-right-ankle-injury-updated/siWXQYZLMtLzPeWk7Tk6CI/
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I also think there are too many teams, it seems 16 are enough to keep the talent level up.
I hope Gasol and Hernangómez brothers can go with us. Along with Ibaka/Mirotic, it would be the best inside rotation by far (I don't think I'm biased :-[)
That's not bias, that is common sense :)
Thanks. Apparently, all the Spanish NBA players except Calderón and Ibaka (Mirotic fits better here) will go to the competition, so we are a candidate for the final stages.
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Greece's preliminary squad
(https://i.gyazo.com/257fda650e91e60c167aa937b3484a77.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/antetokoumpo-headlines-newly-appointed-missas-squad-for-fiba-eurobasket-2017
Some quick notes:
-they are in alphabetical order (except from the -kounmpo brothers whose order was reversed)
wrong
-it has few veterans. iirc Printezis and Bourousis arethe only ones over 30 yo. Still not as many players under 25/24 as originally anticipated.
-It's still preliminary, I remember reading that August and Dorsey among others might not join in the end.
Are there any under 24 good enough to play? Charalampopoulos could... But didn't get any playtime last year unfortunately. I love his BBall IQ but I think he is not good enough athlete...
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Greece's preliminary squad
(https://i.gyazo.com/257fda650e91e60c167aa937b3484a77.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/antetokoumpo-headlines-newly-appointed-missas-squad-for-fiba-eurobasket-2017
Some quick notes:
-they are in alphabetical order (except from the -kounmpo brothers whose order was reversed)
wrong
-it has few veterans. iirc Printezis and Bourousis arethe only ones over 30 yo. Still not as many players under 25/24 as originally anticipated.
-It's still preliminary, I remember reading that August and Dorsey among others might not join in the end.
Are there any under 24 good enough to play? Charalampopoulos could... But didn't get any playtime last year unfortunately. I love his BBall IQ but I think he is not good enough athlete...
Charalampoulos afaik is not playing. I've been told he has not developed much the last couple of years which is a pity.
Regarding young players: Giannis apart, his brother Thanasis is 24. Dorsey is 21, Auguste (I mispelled him as August in the previous post) 24, and Agravanis 22. There is also Papagiannis from SAC who is 20. I expect Agravanis to get mins since he plays for Olympiacos in the Euroleague. You can look him up on draft express.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dimitris-Agravanis-42207/
A conservative guesstimate for the starting 5:
-guards: Calathes, and Mantzaris or Sloukas
-SF: Giannis
-PF: Printezis
-Center: Bourousis
So, no young starters outside Giannis. But until I see what Missas wants to do in friendlies I can't really say (and what I wrote might prove to be way off).
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Our rotation will probably be:
Ricky Rubio/Sergio Rodríguez
Sergio Llull/Juan Carlos Navarro
Álex Abrines/Nikola Mirotic
Pau Gasol/Juancho Hernangómez
Marc Gasol/Willy Hernangómez
The other two will be Fernando San Emeterio and (maybe) Alberto Abalde.
Not available: Rudy Fernández, Felipe Reyes and José Calderón (rest), Víctor Claver (injury), Serge Ibaka (we have to choose Mirotic or him due to citizenship).
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Thank you Dario
Here is the Montenegrin preliminary team. The star is ofc Vucevic
(https://i.gyazo.com/79dc48dbc3a0f6f8b1c986cac3a92535.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/tanjevic-names-montenegro-squad-for-fiba-eurobasket-2017
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I'm on the road so I can't confirm this but I think agravanis will play with the junior NT.
I've watched Charalampopoulos a lot with the Jr NTs.... Judging basketball ability only he is much better than the Benders of the world. But his physical abilities don't help him. And I guess that is why Javi Pascual didn't give him playtime.
Btw Spain misses top names and still is stacked... Amazing talent pool
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I'm on the road so I can't confirm this but I think agravanis will play with the junior NT.
I've watched Charalampopoulos a lot with the Jr NTs.... Judging basketball ability only he is much better than the Benders of the world. But his physical abilities don't help him. And I guess that is why Javi Pascual didn't give him playtime.
Btw Spain misses top names and still is stacked... Amazing talent pool
yep, he is playing with the U20.
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Papagiannis of the Greek team got an injury
(https://i.gyazo.com/124351d2cf9b57ef5ff38971d715283d.png)
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Hungary's preliminary roster
(https://i.gyazo.com/38c465663a6a9b8c8d13e02672cb4e1f.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/hungary-set-to-commence-build-up-to-eurobasket-campaign
Their captain, Adam Hanga, is prolly their most well known player. Drafted by the Spurs at #59 in 2011, he currently plays for Baskonia.
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Hanga was signed by Barcelona this week, 3 years and 7,5 million euros.
With the peculiar system of offer sheets in the Spanish Corrupt League, this offer was matched by Baskonia, who doesn't have the economical resources to pay the player and now wants to negociate with Barcelona (refusing any deals at this moment).
Shane Larkin's case is the same, but only for two years.
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I don't feel like commenting on the presence of Hungary with this roster in the tournament.... Maybe they should expand the tournament so the Vatican can also participate!!!
Btw
I had no idea about this offer sheet system in Spain.....
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Hungary's preliminary roster
(https://i.gyazo.com/38c465663a6a9b8c8d13e02672cb4e1f.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/hungary-set-to-commence-build-up-to-eurobasket-campaign
Their captain, Adam Hanga, is prolly their most well known player. Drafted by the Spurs at #59 in 2011, he currently plays for Baskonia.
Excuse me, but are you telling me Rosco Allen is NOT the most well-known player?
To me, the most well-known is DeAndre Kane, who was a terrific player at Iowa State his senior season.
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@saltlover
oh my, I lost far too many episodes in this year's summer league.
And I really have no clue about American college basketball ;D
@ederson
I see your point, but this is how bball spreads in more countries tho. Think Germany 1993 and Greece 1987.
Giving the organization of the tournament to a country with little bball tradition + some help from the refs can work miracles.
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@saltlover
oh my, I lost far too many episodes in this year's summer league.
And I really have no clue about American college basketball ;D
@ederson
I see your point, but this is how bball spreads in more countries tho. Think Germany 1993 and Greece 1987.
Giving the organization of the tournament to a country with little bball tradition + some help from the refs can work miracles.
Well tried formula indeed! Works often.
It didn't work as well in '94 at the football WC.
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I'm on the road so I can't confirm this but I think agravanis will play with the junior NT.
a bit late correction but i was wrong.... With the u20 team is his brother Giannis
BTW in 3 hours is the final Greece - Israel free on youtube.
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Power rankings by Amico Hoops (http://amicohoops.net/eurobasket-2017-power-rankings/)
This author has 1. Spain 2. Greece 3. Serbia 4. Turkey 5. Croatia
And then Lithuania, France, and Italy in no particular order
FIBA's official site posted its own power rankings two weeks ago. (http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/with-50-days-to-go-it-is-power-rankings-time) IMO it's less good but has the advantage of having all the teams, and having a quick infobox on each of them.
It goes: 1. Spain 2. Serbia 3. Croatia 3. Greece 5. France 6. Italy 7. Lithuania 8. Italy
My own take is that Spain and Serbia have the best rosters because they combine talent wth experience. But both power rankings IMO underestimate Turkey. They will play all games at home.
Moreover, they have a good schedule. They are in the same group (D) with Serbia, which means if they finish first and Serbia second (or vice versa) they will not face each other until the finals. Finally, Spain being in group C could turn out well for Turkey's schedule in the knock-out round.
Bottom line is Turkey is guaranteed to get through its group, and assuming nothing goes awfully wrong at the quarterfinals, they will have to win one of two games at home to win a medal. I'm also pretty sure FIBA wouldn't mind Turkey doing well.
@ederson iirc you mentioned some power rankings earlier, would be great if you had a link to add to the above.
Edit in italics.
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It wasn't power rankings but betting odds
Spain Serbia Greece
imho Greece ranks to high but i fail to see which team could take the spot....
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It wasn't power rankings but betting odds
Spain Serbia Greece
imho Greece ranks to high but i fail to see which team could take the spot....
Thanks appreciated.
I was confused by the Aggravanises too. I haven´t followed the Greek league closely since the late 90s.
The older one is Dimitris, playing for Olympiacos, 23 yo iirc. The young one is Giannis Agravanis. An article I found from May 2017 says he is 18 yo and playing for Douka, a team in the Greek second division, A2. But I know very little about young Greek prospects.
PS To the point that only now did I realize we are the champions. 65-56 vs Israel. Thanks for mentioning the finals Ederson, I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.
PPS doing my national duty and watching the vid uploaded by FIBA. A pretty atrocious first quarter so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HnoxmG5i8
Charalampo won MVP. I'm also told that the PG, Koniaris, who plays for PAOK Salonica was good. Israel's PG is Blatt's son btw and I'm reading now he had a good tournament.
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It didn't get much better ..... During the whole tournament Greece had big blackouts during the games and couldn't hit a bucket. The quarterfinal against Lithouania was a great game though. But imho it was a fair won trophy.
Koniaris continued what has been a good season for him but Charalampopoulos is the leader of the team. I hope he gets more play time next year (90% he is heading to paok) and he ll improve. It will be such a waste of talent.
Now we wait for Giannis to perform some magic in September :D
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In future, I'll be directing questions on A1 and A2 to Ederson. obv is more into it than I am. I hadn't even noticed Koniaris until I watched the game ;D
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You will be disappointed :D I don't watch that closely.
To be honest at the moment i watch more A2 than A1. The level there is very low to even discuss about it but you follow your team regardless relegations :(
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For Greeks except for Greece666, what's your view on Papagiannis? Imo he can start for Greece and can really produce.
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For Greeks except for Greece666, what's your view on Papagiannis? Imo he can start for Greece and can really produce.
I ve watched him with the junior NTs and he has has nice soft hands and he can finish close to the rim. A bit slow imho.
Before the draft i wanted the Cs to get at the second round maybe end of the first. He was drafted too high. He is not a lottery pick and he won't fulfill the expectations.
I don't know if he ll start for the NT. Depends on where Giannis will play and if Koufos accepts the invitation. (i think the roster hasn't yet been completed). There is also Printezis at PF and Bourousis at C both had great seasons , not easy to be pushed to the bench .....
PS my 100% free-of-Celtics-bias opinion is that Zizic is better
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Israel started training camp a week ago. Coach is Erez Edelstein. He has mostly worked in Israel, but was in 2006-8 assistant in Olympiacos.
(https://i.gyazo.com/c1bfbd7457acebd14a46b07bbed955dc.png)
Israel will be hosting group B (Ukraine, Lithuania, Georgia, Italy, Germany) in Tel Aviv.
My impression is they will be happy if they qualify to the knock out phase, but outside Halperin, Casspi and Pnini, I don't have the faintest about their players, anyone that could fill this up is welcome.
link (http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/israel-get-to-work-ahead-of-fiba-eurobasket-2017)
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Sorry if it has been already posted. here's the Greek tema
I think 2 players will be cut
Mantzaris, Sloukas,Pappas,Giannis Antetokoumpo,Thanasis Antetokoumpo,Papapetrou ,Papanikolaou, Printezis, Agravanis, Mitoglou, Mpourousis, Papagiannis, Mpogris, Larentzakis
Koufos. Auguste, Dorsey for different reasons weren't invited
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(https://i.gyazo.com/2c0f98fb77cb938b82763367caf8117c.png)
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/brits-with-plenty-of-options-in-24-man-squad
PS I had originally posted this in the "NBA trivia" thread smh
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Sorry if it has been already posted. here's the Greek tema
I think 2 players will be cut
Mantzaris, Sloukas,Pappas,Giannis Antetokoumpo,Thanasis Antetokoumpo,Papapetrou ,Papanikolaou, Printezis, Agravanis, Mitoglou, Mpourousis, Papagiannis, Mpogris, Larentzakis
Koufos. Auguste, Dorsey for different reasons weren't invited
Nope, it hasn't been posted earlier. I'm happy to finally know the preliminary team. I think this is Larentzakis' first appearance with the men's NT. Any thoughts on him?
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(https://i.gyazo.com/a5fc7f64ee982629919f45d88c473530.png)
link (https://twitter.com/Urbodo/status/888140677216968704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indycornrows.com%2F2017%2F7%2F21%2F16007982%2Freport-pacers-want-domantas-sabonis-to-skip-eurobasket-2017)
More on the story here:
https://www.indycornrows.com/2017/7/21/16007982/report-pacers-want-domantas-sabonis-to-skip-eurobasket-2017
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Sorry if it has been already posted. here's the Greek tema
I think 2 players will be cut
Mantzaris, Sloukas,Pappas,Giannis Antetokoumpo,Thanasis Antetokoumpo,Papapetrou ,Papanikolaou, Printezis, Agravanis, Mitoglou, Mpourousis, Papagiannis, Mpogris, Larentzakis
Koufos. Auguste, Dorsey for different reasons weren't invited
Nope, it hasn't been posted earlier. I'm happy to finally know the preliminary team. I think this is Larentzakis' first appearance with the men's NT. Any thoughts on him?
Hasn't done anything significant ... He was considered a nice prospect but he never proved it.He bounces around from team to team. I think it's just a body for the practices and maybe they hope they can light his fire again.
But now that i look again at the roster it seems a bit thin on the backcourt.... Papas-Mantzaris-Sloukas and then ???? Papanikolaou maybe as SG and the all around Giannis....
OMG Larentzakis will make the team !
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strange, why did they leave Calathes out?
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Good question!! I searched a bit and it was a misunderstading from my part and a bit of bad phrasing on the website
Calathes is in but he will join the team in a few days. Now PG/SG situation looks better
BTW Mirotic will possibly miss the tournament
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For Greeks except for Greece666, what's your view on Papagiannis? Imo he can start for Greece and can really produce.
I ve watched him with the junior NTs and he has has nice soft hands and he can finish close to the rim. A bit slow imho.
Before the draft i wanted the Cs to get at the second round maybe end of the first. He was drafted too high. He is not a lottery pick and he won't fulfill the expectations.
I don't know if he ll start for the NT. Depends on where Giannis will play and if Koufos accepts the invitation. (i think the roster hasn't yet been completed). There is also Printezis at PF and Bourousis at C both had great seasons , not easy to be pushed to the bench .....
PS my 100% free-of-Celtics-bias opinion is that Zizic is better
Imo if he produces consistently like he did at the end of last season and gets to average 14-11 in his prime it would have been an ok pick, we usually aren't looking for superstars at 13 lol. But yeah Zizic was a steal.
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Imo if he produces consistently like he did at the end of last season and gets to average 14-11 in his prime it would have been an ok pick, we usually aren't looking for superstars at 13 lol. But yeah Zizic was a steal.
we are not looking for superstars at 13 unless the Celtics pick there :D
I can see him becoming something like Okur which is not bad but still ... pick no 13?!??!?
It's nice to be 7ft tall........
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Imo if he produces consistently like he did at the end of last season and gets to average 14-11 in his prime it would have been an ok pick, we usually aren't looking for superstars at 13 lol. But yeah Zizic was a steal.
we are not looking for superstars at 13 unless the Celtics pick there :D
I can see him becoming something like Okur which is not bad but still ... pick no 13?!??!?
It's nice to be 7ft tall........
Lol for every Kobe Bryant there is a Kelly Olynyk (and he's not even the worst at 13),Papa will be fine if he produces a double double every night with good percentages. I mean that's a high level starter, you can't ask much more for a late lottery pick in the rather weak draft.
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Sergey Karasev won't join the Russian team due to injury
https://www.sport-express.ru/basketball/eurobasket/news/karasev-propustit-evrobasket-2017-1286976/
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FIBA's site updated its power rankings.
Spain and Serbia stay at 1 and 2 respectively.
Greece has moved up at 3.
Lithuania has moved up to 4.
France stays at 5. (Rodrigue Beaubois is out btw)
Turkey stays at 6.
Croatia moved down to 7 (no Zubac, Zizic or Miro Bilan). Basically, the fear is they don't have enough bigs.
Slovenia climbed up to 8 (The site mentions the participation of Erazem Lorbek and Doncic as reasons for the upgrade).
Other notable absences:
Czech Republic: Petr Benda, Pavel Pumprla and Blake Schilb
Ukraine: Alex Len may or may not join
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/power-rankings-time-last-check-up-before-preparation-games-unfold
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We now have the official confirmation of what Ederson mentioned earlier. Mirotic is out.
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/mirotic-pulls-out-of-spain-squad-due-to-uncertain-nba-status
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Yes, Mirotic is out because he is working on a new contract with the Bulls. And it seems too late to convince Ibaka to play this summer for the NT, so we will have one less weapon "inside" (Mirotic usually plays SF with Spain).
I'm a bit worried because Claver, Rudy Fernández and Ribas, the potential substitutes in this position, are also out. We'll probably start Abrines at the 3 position.
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According to the article below, 10 players are sure to participate for Spain:
Ricky Rubio, Abrines, Pau and Marc Gasol, Sergio Llull, Sergio Rodríguez, Juan Carlos Navarro and. Fernando San Emeterio.
Six players players now compete for two more places. One among Guillem Vives (PG), Joan Sastre (SG/SF) and Xavi Rabaseda (SG/SF) and another among the following bigs: Sebas Saiz, Ilimane Diop and Pierre Oriola will be selected.
https://as.com/baloncesto/2017/07/27/mas_baloncesto/1501172344_477687.html
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According to the article below, 10 players are sure to participate for Spain:
Ricky Rubio, Abrines, Pau and Marc Gasol, Sergio Llull, Sergio Rodríguez, Juan Carlos Navarro and. Fernando San Emeterio.
Six players players now compete for two more places. One among Guillem Vives (PG), Joan Sastre (SG/SF) and Xavi Rabaseda (SG/SF) and another among the following bigs: Sebas Saiz, Ilimane Diop and Pierre Oriola will be selected.
https://as.com/baloncesto/2017/07/27/mas_baloncesto/1501172344_477687.html
You missed Willy and Juancho Hernangómez ;)
With Mirotic out, perhaps Rabaseda (pure SF) is gaining options to go, although he is the less talented player of those three. Inside, it doesn't matter, he's not going to play a minute. Maybe Oriola has the edge, as he is very tough and resembles Felipe Reyes in his desire for rebounds and fight for every ball.
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Vrankovic (president of the Croatian Basketball Federation) and Petrovic the coach of the NT got pretty mad with the players who rejected or partly accepted the invitations to the NT
I can't find an English text but between the lines they said that they can't accept players who say i can't come today but i will be available in a few days. It is not fair to the other players.
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Vrankovic (president of the Croatian Basketball Federation) and Petrovic the coach of the NT got pretty mad with the players who rejected or partly accepted the invitations to the NT
I can't find an English text but between the lines they said that they can't accept players who say i can't come today but i will be available in a few days. It is not fair to the other players.
I google translated and edited a Croatian page on this.
After Žižić, Zubac and Hossein the fourth absence for Croatia is Miro Bilan.
"He (Bilan) told me he is dissatisfied because he has no club, he would not like to risk an injury and was not mentally prepared. It was immediately clear to me where this was headed, said [...] Aco Petrović and added: - I can say that he has not cancel;ed the performance, but I have withdrawn my invitation to him. If someone is not mentally prepared, he can not play.
https://www.vecernji.hr/sport/aco-petrovic-hrvatska-miro-bilan-eurobasket-vrankovic-kosarka-1184856
Androslav is that any good?
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Vesely out for the Czechs
http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/czechs-look-for-balvin-to-cushion-the-blow-of-veselys-absence
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Valanciunas highlight in the friendly against Poland
https://cdn-e2.streamable.com/video/mp4/1c6ru.mp4?token=1503238844_b4a8c58acc0ca5627b4d88cbc3d6218f659ba116
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Doncic highlights vs Hungary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_enbxw1t5U
and vs the Czech Republic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYgBAEhkudo
Also Goran Dragic highlights from the same game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQfeL1L8wRo
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
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Vrankovic (president of the Croatian Basketball Federation) and Petrovic the coach of the NT got pretty mad with the players who rejected or partly accepted the invitations to the NT
I can't find an English text but between the lines they said that they can't accept players who say i can't come today but i will be available in a few days. It is not fair to the other players.
I google translated and edited a Croatian page on this.
After Žižić, Zubac and Hossein the fourth absence for Croatia is Miro Bilan.
"He (Bilan) told me he is dissatisfied because he has no club, he would not like to risk an injury and was not mentally prepared. It was immediately clear to me where this was headed, said [...] Aco Petrović and added: - I can say that he has not cancel;ed the performance, but I have withdrawn my invitation to him. If someone is not mentally prepared, he can not play.
https://www.vecernji.hr/sport/aco-petrovic-hrvatska-miro-bilan-eurobasket-vrankovic-kosarka-1184856
Androslav is that any good?
Vranković, Dino Rađa (both NT executives) and Toni Kukoc (with more of advisory role) got "mad" at Zubac, Žižić as they don't relish at every chance of playing for the NT squad. However, I vividly remember the time, 20 years ago, when they skiped numerous competitions. Now they seem to hold this double standard. I understand their frustration, as they want the best possible lineups to be avalible, but it sounds a bit corny to me.
Dino is also, unfortunately, still operating under the assumption that the best basketball was played during his time. I couldn't disagree more. My question to him would be why don't you use a 20 year old cell phone or why don't you drive an SUV from 1994?
Exactly, they are plainly worse than the contemporary models.
Bilan is a slow moving (I mean like mud slow) with no explotion whatsoever, he is a relatively skilled post player (left/right hook, nice footwork), good soldier in general, fighter, but clearly he is not a cerebral type of a player. He has an effective Adriatic league game but it doesn't translate to International play that well. We are stacked at the center position in the future so he probably won't be comming back for the 2019 WC (hunch). ATM, my take is that Darko Planinić will cover the majority of center minutes. He was surprisingly effective at Rio Olympics. In short, he is a very good rebounder, always boxes out, good hands, solid FT rate and %, he can hit an ocasional mid ranger, but most importantly a guy that won't mind doing the dirty work under the rim. I think he is an underated player. I like his positive and competitive demeanor.
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
Yes, I realy enjoyed watching him play this year.
NBA career was in question even before this injury, I hope he does come back as good as before.
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
Yes, I realy enjoyed watching him play this year.
NBA career was in question even before this injury, I hope he does come back as good as before.
I don't think Llull was ever coming over to the NBA at this point, but that's still terrible for him.
On the other hand, this should mean an even larger role for Doncic with Real Madrid.
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
Yes, I realy enjoyed watching him play this year.
NBA career was in question even before this injury, I hope he does come back as good as before.
I don't think Llull was ever coming over to the NBA at this point, but that's still terrible for him.
On the other hand, this should mean an even larger role for Doncic with Real Madrid.
He hasn't come, understandable regarding his salary and being home as two huge factors. But you never know, Teodosić came now, something he could have done years before. Llull is a figher, competitor and you can never know what challenge those types can put in front of themselves. I am more optimistic as he is a skill player. He is no DH12 or DRose to be totally inefficient after body brakes down.
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
Yes, I realy enjoyed watching him play this year.
NBA career was in question even before this injury, I hope he does come back as good as before.
I don't think Llull was ever coming over to the NBA at this point, but that's still terrible for him.
On the other hand, this should mean an even larger role for Doncic with Real Madrid.
Doncic should now start and be the primary ballhandler/playmaker for them. Big opportunity for him..
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Radulica got injured and will miss the Eurobasket .....
Too many injuries
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Spain suffered a huge blow .... Llull destroyed his knee yesterday.... 6 to 9 months recovery time.
That is a pitty... He was in the best form of his life
Yes, I realy enjoyed watching him play this year.
NBA career was in question even before this injury, I hope he does come back as good as before.
I don't think Llull was ever coming over to the NBA at this point, but that's still terrible for him.
On the other hand, this should mean an even larger role for Doncic with Real Madrid.
I was also thinking of that.
I don't know as much as Dario on the Spanish League, but I expect Real to go after a guard who can contribute immediatly. Apart from Llull's injury, Real knows that Doncic is likely to be gone after this season. Add to this that Sergio Rodriguez has signed with CSKA and that Real only won Copa del Rey last season.
I googled a bit on Spanish sports news, one rumour is they will go after NBA guards (they mention several names: Aaron Brooks, Trey Burke, and Isaiah Canaan among them).
https://okdiario.com/real-madrid/baloncesto/2017/08/17/real-madrid-esperara-gangas-del-mercado-nba-307228
Other than that, I feel the need to revisit Eurobasket's power rankings. I've lost count of the absences and injuries.
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How's Papagiannis doing?
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@greeece666
i remember reading immidiately after the injury that real will not sign a replacement. Probably they will get another guard for the bench but not a starter
@ somebody Papagiannis will make the eurobasket roster. So far he had uneven performances but so did Greece as a team. He was good in a 30p win against England and he disappeared in the 30p defeat against Serbia. Compared to last summer he looks definately better. He got stronger and moves better. He should be more aggressive imo.
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this is going to be the last Eurobasket without gather step
http://www.sportando.com/en/national-teams/national-teams/244452/fiba-to-adopt-a-new-traveling-rule-from-october-1-2017-same-as-in-the-nba.html#refresh_ce
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@greeece666
i remember reading immidiately after the injury that real will not sign a replacement. Probably they will get another guard for the bench but not a starter
@ somebody Papagiannis will make the eurobasket roster. So far he had uneven performances but so did Greece as a team. He was good in a 30p win against England and he disappeared in the 30p defeat against Serbia. Compared to last summer he looks definately better. He got stronger and moves better. He should be more aggressive imo.
Thanks man, he's one of my favourite Greek players, hope he does well. Btw have you revised your opinion of him? :laugh:
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giannis out
link from his instagram account (in Greek)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX-wevNlT-7/
update: the post was taken down. there is a number of greek media reporting that giannis is out, but all use the same instagram post as a source, eg
http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/EthnikiBasket/breaking-news-ektos-eurobasket-o-giannhs-antetokounmpo.4810123.html
I'll update when there is something confirmed
Update II: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2601826-giannis-antetokounmpo-ruled-out-of-eurobasket-2017-with-knee-injury
Bleacher Report says the "tests conducted by the Bucks personnel" confirmed he will be unable to play.
Here is the original post by Giannis translated in English. (again he has taken down the post, but I post it, since it is the main, if not the only source)
http://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/497970/giannis-antetokounmpo-miss-eurobasket/
Trying to see the wider picture here, NBA teams have way more leverage than national basketball associations on deciding who plays, which means there is more emphasis put on caution than results.
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I think it is confirmed. I don't think the injury is so bad but the bucks won't let him (I can't blame them)
@ somebody at draft time I wanted the Cs to draft him. I have watched him play since he was 16. I don't remember if I posted that here but he was one of the players I consider more likely to become a good player then Bender. But I still think he was drafted too high. Of course that is relative to the rest of the crop but if Papagiannis is a lottery pick then Charampopoulos should go top 3... Anyway I am a happy for the kid and I hope he makes it over there
Giannis Update : the Greek Basketball Federation claims that the Bucks forced him to withdraw.They don't have any credibility but i think they are right
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I think it is confirmed. I don't think the injury is so bad but the bucks won't let him (I can't blame them)
@ somebody at draft time I wanted the Cs to draft him. I have watched him play since he was 16. I don't remember if I posted that here but he was one of the players I consider more likely to become a good player then Bender. But I still think he was drafted too high. Of course that is relative to the rest of the crop but if Papagiannis is a lottery pick then Charampopoulos should go top 3... Anyway I am a happy for the kid and I hope he makes it over there
Giannis Update : the Greek Basketball Federation claims that the Bucks forced him to withdraw.They don't have any credibility but i think they are right
This creates a vicious circle: players don't participate --> Eurobasket loses credibility --> players don't participate. not that i would care if i were the bucks.
anyway, if any non-Greek speaker is interested in it, this article has the statement of the greek bball federation, google translate will give you a fair idea.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/basket/karfia-eok-gia-mpaks-kai-nba-me-sxedio-upoxrewsan-ton-gianni-na-apousiasei/3451500
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I was referring to the credibility of the Greek Federation not of the Eurobasket.
There is a rumor that the problem was his insurance.
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I was referring to the credibility of the Greek Federation not of the Eurobasket.
There is a rumor that the problem was his insurance.
Ehm, I got that from the start, I still stand by what I wrote.
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Teodosic is out too!
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Teodosic is out too!
ouch :'(
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Maybe they should check how FIFA,UEFA and clubs make it work.
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2 days to go. Feeling underwhelmed with all the absences but well... it should still be fun.
Ederson do I remember correctly, you are going to Helsinki? Enjoy the trip.
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2 days to go. Feeling underwhelmed with all the absences but well... it should still be fun.
Ederson do I remember correctly, you are going to Helsinki? Enjoy the trip.
With all these injuries, and I never like those whoever suffers it, maybe, by some accident, even my Croatian squad runs into its first medal after EC in Greece '95 and our last NT basketball medal - bronze.
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2 days to go. Feeling underwhelmed with all the absences but well... it should still be fun.
Ederson do I remember correctly, you are going to Helsinki? Enjoy the trip.
Giannis missing the tournament pretty much ruined it for me... Moreover I thought I was some kind of lucky charm cause I was in Belgrade for the 2005 eurobasket😁 But anyway I'll get to see Helsinki
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watching Slovenia-Poland
Few viewers unfortunately... and there is a Polish player called Slaughter ;D
other than that, Slovenia looks good
http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/560963_slovenia_poland/#webplayer_alieztv|54502|560963|761351|282|3|en
Update: game effectively over with a Slovenian win. Doncic's passes were the best thing in the part that I watched.
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Iceland - Greece
http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=761302&lang=en&eid=560395&lid=761302&ci=282&si=3
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Iceland - Greece
http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=761302&lang=en&eid=560395&lid=761302&ci=282&si=3
update: 10-26 in favour of Greece. Looks safe. Still, p amazing that Iceland with a tiny population put together a competitive team.
update II: towards the end of the 2nd quarter, Gr is leading by only 6. Outside Calathes, Gr guards not in a good day.
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Theis is also playing now... In 22 min 8r 7p against ukraine
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Iceland - Greece
http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=761302&lang=en&eid=560395&lid=761302&ci=282&si=3
update: 10-26 in favour of Greece. Looks safe. Still, p amazing that Iceland with a tiny population put together a competitive team.
update II: towards the end of the 2nd quarter, Gr is leading by only 6. Outside Calathes, Gr guards not in a good day.
Sapio xD
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Quick summary of results:
Slovenia defeated Poland
Gr defeated Iceland
Germany defeated Ukraine (ederson any thoughts on Theis?)
Italy defeated Israel (69-48, that looks bad for Israel- btw Datome 13 pts and 3 rebs)
And the two surprises of the day: Lithuania lost to Georgia (didnt watch the game, but apparently Georgia's best player was Baskonia's Shengelia) and France to Finland (Markannen 22 pts, 7 rebs)
I only watched a bit of Greece's and Slovenia's games, the Dragic-Doncic backcourt looks good.
Waiting for Spain's debut tomorrow against Montenegro.
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Quick summary of results:
Slovenia defeated Poland
Gr defeated Iceland
Germany defeated Ukraine (ederson any thoughts on Theis?)
Italy defeated Israel (69-48, that looks bad for Israel- btw Datome 13 pts and 3 rebs)
And the two surprises of the day: Lithuania lost to Georgia (didnt watch the game, but apparently Georgia's best player was Baskonia's Shengelia) and France to Finland (Markannen 22 pts, 7 rebs)
I only watched a bit of Greece's and Slovenia's games, the Dragic-Doncic backcourt looks good.
Waiting for Spain's debut tomorrow against Montenegro.
None....
I didn't watch the full game and Ukraine is no powerhouse. 8ribs in 22mins is pretty good though.
I watched most of Finland France.... As usual France blew an 8p lead in the last 2 mins and lost the game. Markannen made some great shots....
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Markennen seems to be a nice pick by the Bulls, almost thought that they reached with the pick.
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Theis has a VERY quick 2nd jump. His frame and shoulder/arm stance reminds me so much of Birdman.
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I watched the whole Germany-Ukraine game, and to me Theis didn´t really look like more than an end of rotation player. Although he had a quite good defensive impact on the german team, and was setting some nice screens, I wouldn´t be to optimistic about his future. Even in this game were he didn´t start and just played against ukrainian back-ups, he didn´t dominate or look impressive.
After all I think we can be happy if he is able to participate as a non minus in his minutes, which might be possible due to his defense, and the minor role he´ll play on offense (is capable to finish alley oops).
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Let's just hope he can provide what jerebko did with more physicality
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Let's just hope he can provide what jerebko did with more physicality
He is not going to even try take a 3p.
i think Birdistheword's assesment is pretty accurate
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Croatia : Hungary starting in an hour and a half and I won't be done with work until the end of the game.
#croatiantragedies
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Hungary is very weak .... +25p for Croatia
... I think i will look like a fool in a couple of hours..... i over estimated croatia
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Anyone can lose to anyone at FIBA Euro. I am only hoping Croatia is not the squad that reminds us of that. Our inconsistency is astonishing.
Rebounding reminded me of Celtics, 19:11 for the Magyars at halftime.
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Belgium defeated Great Britain
Croatia defeated Hungary
Serbia defeated Latvia
Spain defeated Montenegro
The Czech Republic defeated Romania
And Russia defeated Turkey
-Serbia-Latvia was a fun game to watch. Serbia cleared the game in the last 2 mins, but until then it was open.
-Not one player of Spain had to play more than 20 mins, and the game was over before halftime. 11/17 3pts too.
-I didnt watch Russia-Turkey but Shved and Mozgov had good statlines (22 pts for Shved and 9 rebs, 20 pts for Mozgov). Also, in a perfect world, Turkey vs Spain in the the Quarterfinals would be a fun game to watch - this result made this matching a bit more likely.
Update: FIBA posted a highlight (https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/903713719946846208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiba.basketball%2Feurobasket%2F2017%2Fnews%2Fdrama-defines-day-1-in-group-d-pau-gasol-still-has-it-at-200) from the closing of the Turkey-Russia game. Nice play by Shved. Also I had not noticed it earlier, but Russia removed the imperial eagle from the uniform, and made letters golden. Not bad.
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
French squad has more inner questions than your squad. Sometimes, in team sports with the ball (except handball), the French nat. teams just flame out regardless of their talent. Lets call them chemistry issues. I don't sense that from Hellas.
France played OT vs Finland. Diaw 35 mins. B2B
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
French squad has more inner questions than your squad. Sometimes, in team sports with the ball (except handball), the French nat. teams just flame out regardless of their talent. Lets call them chemistry issues. I don't sense that from Hellas.
France played OT vs Finland. Diaw 35 mins. B2B
With some good individual play from guys, we can make it happen
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
French squad has more inner questions than your squad. Sometimes, in team sports with the ball (except handball), the French nat. teams just flame out regardless of their talent. Lets call them chemistry issues. I don't sense that from Hellas.
France played OT vs Finland. Diaw 35 mins. B2B
Androslav this is true. If there is something I appreciate in Greek teams is that they are composed and able to punch above their weight. But IMO France has more talent in this tournament.I'm also worried about Greece's offensive black outs.
I think the odds in this game are about even.
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
French squad has more inner questions than your squad. Sometimes, in team sports with the ball (except handball), the French nat. teams just flame out regardless of their talent. Lets call them chemistry issues. I don't sense that from Hellas.
France played OT vs Finland. Diaw 35 mins. B2B
TP for using Hellas instead of Greece :D
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Greece-France is obviously the game I worry about today. If we win we can play the rest of the games with the confidence of the favourite. If we lose, the doubting might start.
French squad has more inner questions than your squad. Sometimes, in team sports with the ball (except handball), the French nat. teams just flame out regardless of their talent. Lets call them chemistry issues. I don't sense that from Hellas.
France played OT vs Finland. Diaw 35 mins. B2B
TP for using Hellas instead of Greece :D
Yeah, the French team's back is against the wall and it remains to be seen how Tony Parker's "heirs" (De Colo and Fournier) deal with it. As a French supporter, I'm not feeling really good about this game but I expect it to be close through the end.
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
havent watched any of greece playing lol xd got completely turned off when i found out giannis aint playing
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
havent watched any of greece playing lol xd got completely turned off when i found out giannis aint playing
Calathes is our best guard. Let that sink in.
Having said that, Thanassis looks good rn. We have to play fast and he is prolly our best finisher at fast breaks.
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Ederson, any chance you get me an autograph of this guy?
(https://i.gyazo.com/5f1eb27a36748968bed932497faf3f9f.png)
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69-77
Greece still in the game
Update: we double on Diaw, he passes the ball, basket. Already happened three times.
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
havent watched any of greece playing lol xd got completely turned off when i found out giannis aint playing
Calathes is our best guard. Let that sink in.
Having said that, Thanassis looks good rn. We have to play fast and he is prolly our best finisher at fast breaks.
.........from Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Papaloukas, to Calathes being our best guard.... jesus
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Ederson, any chance you get me an autograph of this guy?
(https://i.gyazo.com/5f1eb27a36748968bed932497faf3f9f.png)
Unfortunatly my tickets are on the other side ....
In all seriousness it was more entertaining watching the fans than the actual game.... The Greek NT looks a lot like the three years ago celtics. Lot's of good secondary pieces but no leader. And Missas is no Stevens to make ti work .....
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(https://i.gyazo.com/6929c44030212c24e571ecb6914425a0.png)
Yesterday's results. Russia looks good.
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(https://i.gyazo.com/6929c44030212c24e571ecb6914425a0.png)
Yesterday's results. Russia looks good.
You updated the appearance. Good work.
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I just became lazy Androslav, and copy-paste straight from FIBA's site lol
btw, if you click on the image, it gets bigger.
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
havent watched any of greece playing lol xd got completely turned off when i found out giannis aint playing
Calathes is our best guard. Let that sink in.
Having said that, Thanassis looks good rn. We have to play fast and he is prolly our best finisher at fast breaks.
.........from Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Papaloukas, to Calathes being our best guard.... jesus
...I'd kill to get a starting PG of Calathes' caliber on the HK bball team, he's no slouch.
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Slovenia 78 - Greece 72 game just ended.
Two quick notes.
Slovenia is clearly a candidate for a medal. Looks like Dragić is chanelling his inner Tony Parker from Eurobasket 2013 .
Greece plays smart and organized but lacks elite individual quality (Giannis).
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Sad watching Greece play now. They have zero shot creators. Went from having two of the best in Europe (3D and V Span) to having absolutely nobody.
Giannis backing out a couple of weeks ago was the nail in the coffin for this team.
I'm other news, Papagiannis seemed promising!
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Slovenia 78 - Greece 72 game just ended.
Two quick notes.
Slovenia is clearly a candidate for a medal. Looks like Dragić is chanelling his inner Tony Parker from Eurobasket 2013 .
Greece plays smart and organized but lacks elite individual quality (Giannis).
In large parts of the game plays pretty dumb too. It is more than obvious that the team desperately need a leader though..... The last two mins of the game were a disaster in every aspect !!!
I am not so high on Slovenia....At least Serbia , Spain, Russia , Turkey look better
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Doncic is getting better every year and he's still not 19...I wonder about his ceiling :o
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Didn't watch today's game - let's say I had a premonition. Dario, Doncic is 18, otherwise he would have declared for the draft this year.
@Androslav I also like the Slovenian team quite a lot. Let's see how far they can go.
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Yes, otherwise he might have been chosen number one pick overall this year. Amazing skillset.
It's the only game I've seen apart from Spain, I hope to follow the competition closely from now on.
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Amazing Poland and Finland duel going on. This is why I love basketball. Overtimes, Finland coming back from -9 within last minute, the hustle, Markannen scoring 2 baskets to enter 2 OTs... crazy.
Markannen 27p, 9r, key steal, 2 a, impressive shotmaking ability.
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Amazing Poland and Finland duel going on. This is why I love basketball. Overtimes, Finland coming back from -9 within last minute, the hustle, Markannen scoring 2 baskets to enter 2 OTs... crazy.
Markannen 27p, 9r, key steal, 2 a, impressive shotmaking ability.
Ugh. I hate it. We had Finland on the ropes with less than a minute to go. Stupid TO and we threw the win away. Heartbreaking.
But yeah, that Markannen kid is quite good, much more athletic than I imagined.
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Day 3 results
(https://i.gyazo.com/d9dbf229d2325d610111c0c86a1a12f6.png)
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Lauri Markannen is blowing my mind. He's twenty!! Twenty year olds don't perform like that at that level of international competition. Until now!
Stunning.
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Lauri Markannen is blowing my mind. He's twenty!! Twenty year olds don't perform like that at that level of international competition. Until now!
Stunning.
Bulls may have won the trade with Markannen showing that much promise, I really like what he showed in this tournament.
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47-66 for France with less than 15 mins left
havent watched any of greece playing lol xd got completely turned off when i found out giannis aint playing
Calathes is our best guard. Let that sink in.
Having said that, Thanassis looks good rn. We have to play fast and he is prolly our best finisher at fast breaks.
.........from Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Papaloukas, to Calathes being our best guard.... jesus
...I'd kill to get a starting PG of Calathes' caliber on the HK bball team, he's no slouch.
Nobody here called him a slouch. Stop making things up please.
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Anyone watching Spain-Romania?
It's been surprisingly close so far.
Update: nevermind
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We've been quite solid right now and, what matters the most, integrating new players into the rotation looking into the future.
Pau Gasol and Navarro are 37, Rudy and Marc 32 and veterans such as Felipe Reyes or Calderón won't play anymore with the national team. It was needed.
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We've been quite solid right now and, what matters the most, integrating new players into the rotation looking into the future.
Pau Gasol and Navarro are 37, Rudy and Marc 32 and veterans such as Felipe Reyes or Calderón won't play anymore with the national team. It was needed.
It was only the first quarter really. Thing fell quickly apart in the 2nd quarter.
Truly amazing roster.
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Bogdan Bogdanović just scored 6 points in one possesion, by hitting 2 threes. Near 5 min 4qtr mark vs Turkey. Only possible under FIBA rules.
There was an on ball screen foul, where he rose for a long jumper to hit his 1st. Since Turkey wasn't in the bonus, Serbia got the ball on the side. BB took the ball again and hit another clutch three from the similar spot.
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Results gameday 3 (second part)
(https://i.gyazo.com/98fe04af0caea8dadbd7ad9f5c0a092c.png)
And here are Iceland's fans.
https://cdn-e2.streamable.com/video/mp4/2wcby.mp4?token=1505764223_cce2faecb0c7ca022cd9515cf338dd5e2af88294
Androslav, I'll look for the game tomorrow on YT and post the highlight if I can.
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Tomorrow Spain will face Croatia in one of the best matches this preliminary round can offer.
I've also seen today's game of Montenegro. Bojan Dubljevic has been very good last years in Spanish league and today he was pretty solid again. I'd keep an eye on him to a possible NBA future, as he's still 25-26.
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Tomorrow Spain will face Croatia in one of the best matches this preliminary round can offer.
I've also seen today's game of Montenegro. Bojan Dubljevic has been very good last years in Spanish league and today he was pretty solid again. I'd keep an eye on him to a possible NBA future, as he's still 25-26.
Our coach, Aco Petrović (Dražens older brother), sounded like we are going to compete and not rest some players for the already secured 1/8 finals. However, we want to avoid Serbia and the host, Turkey. I am not putting that much hope in our win over Spain.
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We haven't played Pau Gasol today to rest him, so I guess Scariolo is giving much importance to our game against Croatia to get a better Last 16 game.
Let's see, it may be a semifinal when the tournament advances, or something like that.
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We haven't played Pau Gasol today to rest him, so I guess Scariolo is giving much importance to our game against Croatia to get a better Last 16 game.
Let's see, it may be a semifinal when the tournament advances, or something like that.
Assuming Spain finishes first and Croatia second (or vice versa), they can only meet again in the Finals - for 1st or 3rd place).
This is true for any couple of teams finishing 1st and 2nd in their group (also true for teams finishing 3rd and 4th in the same group).
(https://i.gyazo.com/739bd604cb3752817afa51c5ef21788e.png)
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Bogdan Bogdanović just scored 6 points on one possession (trip), by hitting 2 threes. Near 5 min 4qtr mark vs Turkey. Only possible under FIBA rules.
There was an on ball screen foul, where he rose for a long jumper to hit his 1st. Since Turkey wasn't in the bonus, Serbia got the ball on the side. BB took the ball again and hit another clutch three from the similar spot.
I found the video of the aforementioned play.
That's from -1 to +5 in the clutch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpJlb3Zwgew
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TP, Greek buddy. I was too lazy to look for it ;D
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Croatian article about Spain's Euro basketball dominance.
It says that Eurobasket hasn't seen this type of dominance for some 30 years, back in '89 and Yugoslavia (7 Croats, 4 Serbs and Zdovc PG from Slovenia, somehow they always have a good PGs) when it was hosting the competition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_1989
http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/kosarka/eurobasket2017/oni-su-svijet-za-sebe-pitanje-je-samo-koliko-ce-zavrsiti-poigravanje-kakvo-eurobasket-nije-vidio-od-drazena-i-zagreba-1989/6520645/
Spain vs Croatia game in an hour.
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Zdovc was amazing. He played many years in Greece.
I stopped watching the Gr-Finland game at the beginning of the 4th quarter. It was getting depressing.
Spain has been dominant for 18 years. It's crazy.
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Zdovc was amazing. He played many years in Greece.
I stopped watching the Gr-Finland game at the beginning of the 4th quarter. It was getting depressing.
Spain has been dominant for 18 years. It's crazy.
they are only down 4 with almost 6 min to go
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The 1991 Yugoslavian team was like an all star team......
Sretenovic
Perasovic
Djordjevic
kukoc
Paspalj
Zdovc
Danilovic
Jovanovic
Divac
Komazec (what a player!!!)
Radja
Savic
Being able to watch Zdovc play every week was one of the best sports related experiences of my life...
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The winner of Greece- Poland will go through to the next stage and play the first team of Group B (Lithuania or Germany).
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Croatia made a good effort against Spain in a highly contested match. We lost, but can take a few pluses (and minuses) to the next, tournament phase.
- Bender started at the center. That proved to be a shrewd move. He scored 4 early pts, protected the rim and was engaged. He gained 15/20 lbs just within this year in Phoenix and now looks as a 7 footer should. He still moves very well for his length.
- Croatia has a general problem with playmaking. This game Simon carried the most of the primary ballhandling duties, as we desperately lack a penetrating guard.
- Marko Tomas is a type of player Spain needs, a 3&D guy. He was trouble for Spaniards at the start of 4th.
- Spain (Gasol brothers) didn't capitalize on the near the basket tries, having 7 off boards more but was net 0 in 2nd chance points. The length was present on the other side too.
- Croatia has some bench contributors in energy big Žorić, bench gunner/spacer in Popović
- With a 4-man-lineup of Bogdanović/Šarić/Bender/Tomas Croatia has a core that IMHO just a few teams can matchup with. The length, shooting, and switchability of these 4 are a lot for this level of competition, a star power deficient Eurobasket. If only we had a solid 1st guard, then we would really take off and be a surefire medal candidate.
As far as in know we don't have that guy in the pipeline.
@ederson
Happy to hear that someone remembers Komazec. He was a pure scorer and had a dangerous 3pt shoot considering the era.
An efficient 40 pt game, 14/17 fgs!
https://youtu.be/y4SoXoI33A4
Joyful 39 pt game, 15/23 fgs
https://youtu.be/JldzB3UZeqE
Winning the 3pt contest with 23 pts
https://youtu.be/1CQtWncpCVM
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@greece666
otan elega egw oti eimaste gia to poutso xwris ton gianni lol
ohhh greece... :(
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Gameday 4
(https://i.gyazo.com/844eaa8bc44ea63155897787088e38f9.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/d69bdbf2a01a4878fd5c061ba3791f03.png)
Here's what we have with one game left:
(The tiebreakers are 1) Head-to-head results; 2) Points difference; 3) Points scored.)
Group A: Greece-Poland play for last spot. Winner plays with Lithuania or Germany. Slovenia, France, Finland have advanced to the next stage (A), Iceland has been eliminated (E).
(https://i.gyazo.com/8a71b41c13f5fc5433f29f45225299de.png)
Group B: If Georgia beats Italy they are through. If they lose, and Israel beats Ukraine, then Israel goes through. Meanwhile, Lithuania plays vs Germany this game will determine who finishes first.
Update: Ukraine has chances too. This scenario was badly phrased on FIBA's website and I took the text from there. I'll re-check it tomorrow.
(https://i.gyazo.com/8ba26984fd2ff46ace727905c53790ae.png)
Group C: Czech Republic and Romania out
(https://i.gyazo.com/c5bc887b7415b0a2157411f0a70d4225.png)
Group D: Belgium and GB out
(https://i.gyazo.com/58056bde9939303c7e71e6da81d87535.png)
The knockout stage goes A1-B4, A2-B3, etc and C1-D4, C2-D3 etc.
@Androslav Great game by Croatia.
@ahsan we'll be fine.This is a transitional phase for them.
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It's impossible to forget komazec. He was better shooter than Drazen but he didn't have even half of his desire to be great. He had depression I think ... Sad story.
Compared to Komazec Stojakovic is Marcus Smart .
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I remember USSR and Yugoslavia 1988-1990 teams as a collection of all-stars. I can proudly say that some Spanish teams of around 2010-2011 is the closest thing to it, and the transition has been good to new players: Hernangómez brothers, Abrines, Ricky Rubio.
PG: Raúl López, Calderón
SG: Navarro, Llull
SF: Rudy Fernández, Claver
PF: Pau Gasol, Garbajosa
C: Marc Gasol, Ibaka
Depth chart: Felipe Reyes, San Emeterio.
We have many interesting matches deciding the final win-or-go-home games. Stay tuned.
Another TP goes to Greece for his phenomenal work here.
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Regarding Group B: For Ukraine to go through, they have to beat Israel and Italy to beat Georgia.
Re Komazec: I found a NYT article reporting a rumour that while playing in Greece he attempted suicide twice. (can't copy paste, NYT won't allow, you can read the article here http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/sports/waiting-for-a-ticket-to-the-nba.html?mcubz=0 )
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I remember USSR and Yugoslavia 1988-1990 teams as a collection of all-stars. I can proudly say that some Spanish teams of around 2010-2011 is the closest thing to it, and the transition has been good to new players: Hernangómez brothers, Abrines, Ricky Rubio.
PG: Raúl López, Calderón
SG: Navarro, Llull
SF: Rudy Fernández, Claver
PF: Pau Gasol, Garbajosa
C: Marc Gasol, Ibaka
Depth chart: Felipe Reyes, San Emeterio.
We have many interesting matches deciding the final win-or-go-home games. Stay tuned.
Another TP goes to Greece for his phenomenal work here.
Yugoslavia 1988-91
Olympic Games, 1988 Seoul - silver
FIBA EuroBasket, 1989 Yugoslavia - gold
MVP - Petrović
FIBA World Cup, 1990 Argentina - gold
MVP - Kukoč
FIBA EuroBasket, 1991 Italy - gold
MVP - Kukoč
The youth of this squad is amazing. Key players are just 20-25 years old. Here is the recap from that run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIBaRgJDqZ8&t=472s
@Dario, Spain is, without question, the strongest Euro team since and definitely in that tier. I do think that Yu-team had an even deeper roster, particularly with so many outside shooters/scorers.
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Regarding Group B: For Ukraine to go through, they have to beat Israel and Italy to beat Georgia.
Re Komazec: I found an NYT article reporting a rumor that while playing in Greece he attempted suicide twice. (can't copy paste, NYT won't allow, you can read the article here http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/sports/waiting-for-a-ticket-to-the-nba.html?mcubz=0 )
I wouldn't put too much stock in that suicide attempt rumor, I think it is the press making up things.
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To be honest because of Rudy and Calderon i don't like Spain much but the Gasol-Navaro lead teams are totaly on the top. Very deep , great talent in every position and of course Pau Gasol.... The London OG team was imo the best Spanish NT.
But in a game against 91 Yugoslavia i'd go with Yugoslavia. I'd love to watch that a game! (or 91 Yugoslavia VS the Original Dream Team)
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Regarding Group B: For Ukraine to go through, they have to beat Israel and Italy to beat Georgia.
Re Komazec: I found an NYT article reporting a rumor that while playing in Greece he attempted suicide twice. (can't copy paste, NYT won't allow, you can read the article here http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/20/sports/waiting-for-a-ticket-to-the-nba.html?mcubz=0 )
I wouldn't put too much stock in that suicide attempt rumor, I think it is the press making up things.
Yes, I should have added this article is the only result about Arijan that comes up when you google 'Komazec depression'.
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@Androslav Yes, maybe that team was better, but we tend to overrate the past and it is hard to compare, because the game has evolved in so many ways in those last 30 years.
Our record in the last 20 years is not bad also:
Winners of Eurobasket in 2009, 2011, 2015. Silver in 1999, 2003 and 2007. Bronze in 2001, 2013.
Olympic silver medals in 2008 and 2012, bronze in 2016. It is much more difficult now with NBA players than before 1992.
World champions 2006.
Pretty consistent generation based on Navarro and Gasol.
@Ederson I hate Rudy Fernández, dirty, flopper and bad mannered.
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Group A
1. Slovenia
2. Finland
3. France
Group B
1. Lithuania
2. Germany
France plays Germany in the next round.
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Thanasis is the ultimate towel waver.
Update: good result for Greece. Good game for Poland.
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Ukraine is leading by 20+ points in the 4th quarter. Assuming they win, the rankings
Group A: 1. Slovenia 2. France 3. Finland 4. Greece
Group B: 1. Lithuania 2. Italy 3. Germany 4. Ukraine
The pairs for the next round: Slovenia - Ukraine; France - Germany; Finland - Italy; Greece - Lithuania. iirc all games are in Istanbul.
update: Gameday 5 (first half)
(https://i.gyazo.com/88d7434f113141e5bedf26bf4e7e68d8.png)
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(https://i.gyazo.com/cde984af9f000695ffd3d3324aad7660.png)
From FIBA's website
http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/live-updates
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Gameday 6 phase B
(https://i.gyazo.com/26e0f870003e1ca32515a52fabe5bffe.png)
Phase of 16 pairs
(https://i.gyazo.com/ec16ccd6c4407c17ca0e62aba813cefc.png)
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2017#Qualification
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Gameday 6 phase B
(https://i.gyazo.com/26e0f870003e1ca32515a52fabe5bffe.png)
Phase of 16 pairs
(https://i.gyazo.com/ec16ccd6c4407c17ca0e62aba813cefc.png)
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2017#Qualification
My shot at predicting the elimination round:
France (Germany 30%)
Spain
Slovenia
Latvia
Lithuania (Greece 30%)
Croatia (Russia 1‰ (35%)) edit
Italy (Finland 40%)
Serbia
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Russia 1‰ ???? :o
a bit of homer ? :D
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At this stage, there are only teams I like and teams I don't.
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Russia 1‰ ???? :o
a bit of homer ? :D
Pure homerism :)
I do think we are a better team, 65%:35%.
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Gameday 6 phase B
(https://i.gyazo.com/26e0f870003e1ca32515a52fabe5bffe.png)
Phase of 16 pairs
(https://i.gyazo.com/ec16ccd6c4407c17ca0e62aba813cefc.png)
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2017#Qualification
My shot at predicting the elimination round:
France (Germany 30%)
Spain
Slovenia
Latvia
Lithuania (Greece 30%)
Croatia (Russia 1‰ (35%)) edit
Italy (Finland 40%)
Serbia
I had a look on betting sites and these are the favourites they give too.
Among the outsiders, the most likely to make an upset are Finland, Russia and Greece (in this order), followed by Germany and Montenegro. And then you have Turkey, Ukraine and Hungary - which are very unlikely.
Odds apart, I will watch Turkey-Spain unless it becomes a blow-out. Having the crowd on your side is a significant bonus in Eurobasket, although Turkey's roster is obviously weak.
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Slovenia-Ukraine 79-55
Doncic 14 pts, 10 rebs, 6 assists in 24 mins.
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Theis looks terrible, can´t even defend Lauvergne...
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He won't be asked to play a lot anyway ....
People here should stop overestimating European players especially when they can't watch them actually play
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Theis looks terrible, can´t even defend Lauvergne...
Theis is amazing in the 2nd half
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Theis looks terrible, can´t even defend Lauvergne...
Theis is amazing in the 2nd half
Can you give some positives that he did? I'm really intrigued with his potential as a cheap 3rd stringer.
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Theis looks terrible, can´t even defend Lauvergne...
Theis is amazing in the 2nd half
Can you give some positives that he did? I'm really intrigued with his potential as a cheap 3rd stringer.
He posterized Diaw at one point.
https://twitter.com/sportando/status/906507495526596608 (https://twitter.com/sportando/status/906507495526596608)
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Theis looks terrible, can´t even defend Lauvergne...
Theis is amazing in the 2nd half
Can you give some positives that he did? I'm really intrigued with his potential as a cheap 3rd stringer.
He posterized Diaw at one point.
https://twitter.com/sportando/status/906507495526596608 (https://twitter.com/sportando/status/906507495526596608)
Thanks man.
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I watched the last period and he made important medium-long range shots. 22p (8/9!!) 7r 26 effieciency in ~30m
Boris Diaw in 31m had 15p (6/8) 9r 5ass 26 efficiency.....
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Italy is destroying Finalnd at the moment 44-25 5min in the second period!
update : 4min to go Italy up 11 Markanen just scored his 4th point ! So far he had 22ppg !!!!!!!!
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Theis has been amazing today. Doing the little things (screens, good positioning) and the stat line is impressive, apart from the monster dunk.
I didn't think he would play minutes with us, but if he keeps this way...he may shut my mouth. I wish.
However, he's had a busy summer and now training camp is coming. I don't know if rookies are prepared for an NBA season without much rest.
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Lithuania Greece 30-37 at half time
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I watch the game and still can't believe it...
Well done!
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Slovenia, Germany, Italy and Greece go to the next round.
(https://i.gyazo.com/eb95357b6b4065b963b0f0c2f668f961.png)
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I watch the game and still can't believe it...
Well done!
Well played game by Greece, whole 40 minutes.
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Latvia leads 100-68 with only a few secs left in the game vs Montenegro.
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Latvia leads 100-68 with only a few secs left in the game vs Montenegro.
So far, this Eurobaskets most pleasant surprise.
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Latvia leads 100-68 with only a few secs left in the game vs Montenegro.
So far, this Eurobaskets most pleasant surprise.
Yep. Given that both Porzingis and Timma are young, I hope they stay strong for the future.
We have the first two pairs:
Slovenia-Latvia
and
Italy-Serbia
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Spain-Turkey 31-25
Turkey still in the game
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Spain-Turkey 31-25
Turkey still in the game
Ugly game.
How long will NBA teams let Porzingis go with his national team? Very tall men tend to get injured, so I'm guessing after he has a quite serious injury, he will be red-flagged for the summers.
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Spain-Turkey 31-25
Turkey still in the game
Ugly game.
How long will NBA teams let Porzingis go with his national team? Very tall men tend to get injured, so I'm guessing after he has a quite serious injury, he will be red-flagged for the summers.
Im getting stressed out just by looking at the face of Turkey's coach.
Imagine what he is going through.
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Good effort by Turkey. Spain goes through to the next round.
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My thoughts go to Androslav rn :'(
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Spain-Turkey 31-25
Turkey still in the game
Ugly game.
How long will NBA teams let Porzingis go with his national team? Very tall men tend to get injured, so I'm guessing after he has a quite serious injury, he will be red-flagged for the summers.
Im getting stressed out just by looking at the face of Turkey's coach.
Imagine what he is going through.
And the referees listening to him 40 minutes ;D
OMG Russia dominating Croatia. Unexpected game, poor Androslav.
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Here is the schedule
(https://i.gyazo.com/74d70d90dbc29e12ea217a1f17b7ffe4.png)
Greece to play with Russia, unless the Croats go on fire for the last 5 mins.
Update: game over, updated the image
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My thoughts go to Androslav rn :'(
@dario
Thanks guys, we really got our but kicked last night.
I underestimated the Russians (and the Greeks), they had their game, especially Shved 27p/12a (adjusted I would guess that is like 38p and 16a) that was enigmatic throughout the whole game.
I'll stick to my 10-year long reason why we don't advance further in these competitions:
We need a penetrating guard with the ball, who can also be able to dictate the tempo of the game.
I have 2 years to cool off from NT, and I'm grateful for it. Maybe then by 2019, our prospects/young talent: Bender, Žižić, Zubac, Hezonja, Šarić make leaps. Also maybe we naturalize an unknown American lead-guard since we can't produce one for 15+years, and this time more successfully than for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stockton.
We were supposed to have an orthodox way to the finals (Russia-Greece-Serbia) and it turned out to be a very orthodox EB exit for us. :)
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@Androslav
Some years ago I thought Roko Ukic would be that guard, a tall team-oriented PG with lack of shooting but penetrating to open the ball to shooters. Too bad he didn't got into something special.
And I agree, Drapers or Lafayettes won't change the situation.
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@Androslav
Some years ago I thought Roko Ukic would be that guard, a tall team-oriented PG with lack of shooting but penetrating to open the ball to shooters. Too bad he didn't get into something special.
And I agree, Drapers or Lafayettes won't change the situation.
Roko Ukić was fairly athletic and a good defensive player, that is what got him the opportunity in the NBA. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/ukicro01.html
He didn't possess the necessary finishing (good 1st step, but inaccurate), distributing (was willing but didn't have the vision) and shooting skills (never his forte) to stick around for long. He had a solid and long international career and was our NT PG in the era where we had the least good guards in our history.
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Theis has been amazing today. Doing the little things (screens, good positioning) and the stat line is impressive, apart from the monster dunk.
I didn't think he would play minutes with us, but if he keeps this way...he may shut my mouth. I wish.
However, he's had a busy summer and now training camp is coming. I don't know if rookies are prepared for an NBA season without much rest.
Just watched the game. Man, Theis looks really nice. Absolutely stunning shooting motion, textbook.
Good defense too, looks like he could play some small ball 5. Perfect for Brad's system. Expect to see a lot of him from the get go...
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Theis has been amazing today. Doing the little things (screens, good positioning) and the stat line is impressive, apart from the monster dunk.
I didn't think he would play minutes with us, but if he keeps this way...he may shut my mouth. I wish.
However, he's had a busy summer and now training camp is coming. I don't know if rookies are prepared for an NBA season without much rest.
Just watched the game. Man, Theis looks really nice. Absolutely stunning shooting motion, textbook.
Good defense too, looks like he could play some small ball 5. Perfect for Brad's system. Expect to see a lot of him from the get go...
I'm a Theis fan too and I expect him to get mins with the second unit. He should be able to help more than Ojeleye or Yabusele who have no experience and lack a defined playing profile.
I just avoid saying it much in the Forums bcs it gets interpreted as Theis will win 6MOTY.
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Theis has been amazing today. Doing the little things (screens, good positioning) and the stat line is impressive, apart from the monster dunk.
I didn't think he would play minutes with us, but if he keeps this way...he may shut my mouth. I wish.
However, he's had a busy summer and now training camp is coming. I don't know if rookies are prepared for an NBA season without much rest.
Just watched the game. Man, Theis looks really nice. Absolutely stunning shooting motion, textbook.
Good defense too, looks like he could play some small ball 5. Perfect for Brad's system. Expect to see a lot of him from the get go...
I'm a Theis fan too and I expect him to get mins with the second unit. He should be able to help more than Ojeleye or Yabusele who have no experience and lack a defined playing profile.
I just avoid saying it much in the Forums bcs it gets interpreted as Theis will win 6MOTY.
He might be in the running if he explodes out of training camp - it's not completely stupid. Pretty unlikely though given how many minutes Tatum and Morris (and Semi) will undoubtedly get.
.598 from the floor in Euroleague? Sheesh.
Also, why did Bamberg only play him 19 mpg last year in the BBL?? His per36 numbers are solid, and his defense seemed pretty amazing?? What give?
Look forward to watching an illegal stream of the Eurobasket quarter.
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Slovenia vs Latvia today, a game that I wish would happen a bit later, as I have enjoyed their play and root for them. Both teams are Eurobaskets most pleasant surprises, both look medal-worthy so far.
This game is more than just Kristaps vs Dragić (tournaments 4th and 5th leading scorers and perhaps EB best players),
it is also, a below the radar, Timma (http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Janis-Timma) vs Dončić battle.
Basketballs new Euro powers!
Betting line in Croatia:
SLO 2,10
LAT 2,20
Overtime 17,0
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Slovenia vs Latvia today, a game that I wish would happen a bit later, as I have enjoyed their play and root for them. Both teams are Eurobaskets most pleasant surprises, both look medal-worthy so far.
This game is more than just Kristaps vs Dragić (tournaments 4th and 5th leading scorers and perhaps EB best players),
it is also, a below the radar, Timma (http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Janis-Timma) vs Dončić battle.
Basketballs new Euro powers!
Betting line in Croatia:
SLO 2,10
LAT 2,20
Overtime 17,0
I saw too that their online odds are about equal and found it a bit weird.
IMO Slovenia is the favourite in this game.
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Can't watch the Spanish game now because I have to play a soccer match :'(
Hopefully we win and Theis plays a good game.
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Can't watch the Spanish game now because I have to play a soccer match :'(
Hopefully we win and Theis plays a good game.
These Spanish guys just keep getting better in football. 😀
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Germany-Spain 33-34 at halftime.
This has been surprisingly close so far.
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this is an interesting piece of news
"Record viewership in Finland"
http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/news/basketball-fever-leads-to-record-viewership-in-finland
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Germany-Spain 33-34 at halftime.
This has been surprisingly close so far.
Anybody got a link?
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Theis looks good...solid. Playing good D on Marc G as well despite giving a few inches (but man would I LOVE to get Marc! Will definitely be in the rotation as a big 4 small 5. On another note, Utah fans are trying to fool themselves into believing that because they got Rubio it'll lessen the blow of losing Hayward. Sorry guys but RR is ONLY a distributor. He is FAR from a scorer.
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Germany-Spain 33-34 at halftime.
This has been surprisingly close so far.
Anybody got a link?
It's on the WatchESPN app
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Mark Gasol scored ~20points ..... in the 3rd period!
He made 3 3p first the frst time in 12 years!
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Latvia vs Slovenia 55:51 at halftime. Offense rules.
Super interesting game.
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Very enjoyable game indeed.
Here is the new table
(https://i.gyazo.com/7a7071a7d9e8898316fc0cf25e20e710.png)
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Can't watch the Spanish game now because I have to play a soccer match :'(
Hopefully we win and Theis plays a good game.
These Spanish guys just keep getting better in football. 😀
LOL TP buddy.
I've missed two great games :'( At least, Messi made it worthwhile.
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To be honest I watched cl too ;D and had the bball game on my phone to follow the score
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Greece vs Russia at 18.45, and then Italy-Serbia.
Call me a pessimist, but I'm convinced Gr will get eliminated tonight.
(https://i.gyazo.com/74d0553e8a6af504dccf5c52aac55c75.png)
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Greece vs Russia at 18.45, and then Italy-Serbia.
Call me a pessimist, but I'm convinced Gr will get eliminated tonight.
(https://i.gyazo.com/74d0553e8a6af504dccf5c52aac55c75.png)
The reverse tactic, I get it, I was a national team fan - once upon a time ;D
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Greece vs Russia at 18.45, and then Italy-Serbia.
Call me a pessimist, but I'm convinced Gr will get eliminated tonight.
(https://i.gyazo.com/74d0553e8a6af504dccf5c52aac55c75.png)
The reverse tactic, I get it, I was a national team fan - once upon a time ;D
There is an element of reverse psychology in this ;D
But also Russia has been better in this tournament and have a leader in Shved. Greece lacks leadership and scoring (not that our D is particularly good)- having said this, I won't complain if we make it to the Final 4 8)
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On the other side Greece has the roster to neutralize Russia's weapons.
The game plan should be similar to the previous game. The center is a big immovable rock and the pg (for different reasons this time) should be pressed the whole time.
I won't be surprised if Russia wins by 20p but i like our chances.
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wow
i'm getting excited
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Yeah great game by Greece so far ... Calathes looks like Magic. 5 assists in the first quarter!
Most important thing so far is that Sved is nowhere to be found.
Btw fun fact ... The coach of Russia Bazdarevic is Greek (on paper) ... During his playing carrier he remembered he had a great grandparent from Greece This way he got an EU passport....
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37-31, Gr 6 pts ahead at halftime
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Gr lead cut to 2 pts (49-47) - this is practically a new game
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End of 3rd quarter: gr - rus 53- 51
4th quarter should be good
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Gr Russia 69-74
Russia goes through
Here is the box score
http://www.fiba.basketball/ls/#12105&BKM400303
Calathes had a good game (25 points, 7 assists). Printezis was good too.
For Russia Shved had 26 pts, 5 assists. Vorontsevich got 12 rebs.
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Italy - Serbia 5-0
More than 54 mins have passed without Serbia scoring
update: and in any case, they are fine now, 17-16.
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Italy - Serbia 5-0
More than 5 mins have passed without Serbia scoring
Well if they score a few more goals quickly they have a chance, although Italy's back line is still quite strong.
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Italy - Serbia 5-0
More than 5 mins have passed without Serbia scoring
Well if they score a few more goals quickly they have a chance, although Italy's back line is still quite strong.
uuuuuh... good one :o
I might think of a come back in a day or two
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With less than 2 mins left, Serbia seems to get a comfortable win.
Outside Belinelli and Datome, Italy had no offense.
So, the pairs are Spain-Slovenia and Russia-Serbia.
Boxscore:
http://www.fiba.basketball/ls/#12105&BKM400304
(https://i.gyazo.com/644f6a7aab173d791a437a52983519bc.png)
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Let s go Serbia! :laugh:
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Sorry for Greece, mate.
Italy, as expected, was too thin to compete against the best teams and lacked any interior presence. The semifinals will be HUGE.
Spain has been in ten semifinals in a row. That's insane.
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10 mins to go
This is the most excited I have been for a Eurobasket game this year.
Update: 19-25 for Slovenia. Good start for Slovenia, but Spain had a slow start in other games too.
update 2: Slovenia continues being good. Prepelic is complaining too much to the refs tho.
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Dončić drool...
So much change of pace in his creation and that height is lovely.
49:45 for Slovenia at halftime.
Update: 28 mins
Slovenia up by 16.
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Dončić drool...
So much change of pace in his creation and that height is lovely.
49:45 for Slovenia at halftime.
Update: 28 mins
Slovenia up by 16.
wow
16 points is a lot, but if any team is capable of a comeback now it is Spain.
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Spanish team doesnt seem to have the confidence to comeback
update Too bad Dragic said this is his last Eurobasket. Meanwhile, my Russian commentators sound excited to play with Slovenia in the Finals.
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Slovenia had a great team effort for 3 quarters. And so far in 4th it's Goran Dragic show. He's a sneaky good point guard. And to me it's seems that Spain lacks a playmaker/scorer on a wing. I'm so happy we got Hayward, because I think Celtics were lacking such player as well last year.
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Final score Spain 72 Slovenia 92
Feels unfair for Spain to get eliminated after losing only one game.
Hope Darío will be satisfied with the bronze
box score http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/1409/Spain-Slovenia#|tab=boxscore_statistics
Agreed Stes, Dragic was great.
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I'd be more than satisfied with the bronze. This generation has given us nothing but pride and good results.
However, time takes its toll and Gasol/Navarro are 37, Marc/Rudy are 32 and the fact of three injuries in the same position (Rudy, Llull and Abrines) have been harmful to our chances.
Slovenia is extremely talented, although my impression is we could have abused them inside. Too many games for the Gasols' legs in few days.
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Sad to see Pau like this.. but you can't beat time. I too expected Spain to destroy slovenia in the paint. Considering the injuries and the age of the top players Spain did good. Now it's rebuild time. Replacing Pau won't be easy!
I would like Serbia to qualify. SLO Vs SRB will be huge. I don't think Russia is on the same level..
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I'd be more than satisfied with the bronze. This generation has given us nothing but pride and good results.
However, time takes its toll and Gasol/Navarro are 37, Marc/Rudy are 32 and the fact of three injuries in the same position (Rudy, Llull, and Abrines) have been harmful to our chances.
Slovenia is extremely talented, although my impression is we could have abused them inside. Too many games for the Gasols' legs in few days.
As you said, 10 semis in the row, who could have expected more.
An amazing generation that lasted so long, that it enabled Spain to produce their successors.
Gasol will go down in a Sabonis tier of European greats, them as two of the greatest European centers in the modern era (since the 3pt shot).
I would like to see Slovenia vs Serbia in the finals, with Slovenia being my favorite to win.
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I guess I'm the only one who supports Russia then (?)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/6/60/RU.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20170224112657)
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Slovenia is very likeable team. They are fun to watch and they also have Doncic.... The most exciting thing i can remember in Europe since ..... ever!!
Serbia is a real team. My kind of team :D
I was impressed by Russia. They have changed their style , they play more organised basketball and Sved so far looks like an NBA all star.......
But still i like the other two team better and i think that Serbia will be a tougher opponent for Slovenia in the final
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I guess I'm the only one who supports Russia then (?)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/6/60/RU.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20170224112657)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/7/79/1533737_227972197382296_1181544731_n.png/revision/latest?cb=20160823073340)
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I guess I'm the only one who supports Russia then (?)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/6/60/RU.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20170224112657)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/7/79/1533737_227972197382296_1181544731_n.png/revision/latest?cb=20160823073340)
lol - I instantly recognized the YouTube video.
This Russian team has good chemistry- Mogzov apart, every player is from Khimki, Lokomotiv Kuban or CSKA. Bazarevich is a quiet guy, a quality I like in coaches, more of a motivator than a strategist. And I like Shved since his days in Philly: good 3pt and a smart passer.
But it's mostly for personal reasons, such as speaking the language, that I support Russia. Good luck to all four teams for the three remaining days.
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Russia was great so far, but i think they can t beat us two times... I was so happy for Slovenia, they deserved it...
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15 mins to start
(http://bckhimki.ru/files/news/2017/08_17/shved_expobasket.jpg)
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Did the Serbs replace Marjanovich with Sabonis? ???
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Did the Serbs replace Marjanovich with Sabonis? ???
Classical serbian classroom in order. As Marjanović gives a beautiful frog assist.
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Did the Serbs replace Marjanovich with Sabonis? ???
Classical serbian classroom in order. As Marjanović gives a beautiful frog assist.
That assist was insane. Meanwhile, the Russians made a comeback in the start of the 3rd quarter.
Update: Serbia still ahead and the 4th is approaching its end. Serbs scored 20/27 in the paint so far (iirc Russians were 10/13).
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5 pt game with 5 mins left
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During this Euro I have been pondering what kind of impact will Bogdanović bring to the Kings.
He is a good shooter with a versatile jumper (spot up/of the dribble/midrange game)
He can operate as a 2ndary creator in PNRs.
He is a solid and at times feisty on-ball defender with good wingspan and ok lateral quickness.
He is much more experienced than the usual rookie. (many Euroleague games and International competitions)
I think he can produce right away.
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In the second half, the Russians slowed down Marjanovich but then Bogdanovich stepped up.
79-87
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Bogdanovic!!! Great game! To bad Jovic is hurt... If Jovic can t play in the final Slovenia will be big favorite...
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During this Euro I have been pondering what kind of impact will Bogdanović bring to the Kings.
He is a good shooter with a versatile jumper (spot up/of the dribble/midrange game)
He can operate as a 2ndary creator in PNRs.
He is a solid and at times feisty on-ball defender with good wingspan and ok lateral quickness.
He is much more experienced than the usual rookie. (many Euroleague games and International competitions)
I think he can produce right away.
It's good he will play for Sacramento. It is a team that has connections in Serbia and they have minutes to give Bogdanovich.
Androslav, did the Russians used ICE against the PnR? I don't have a good eye for these things.
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@Androslav and @Ederson
Thanks for your kind words, TP for you both.
The final, as you were expecting, will be Slovenia-Serbia. Had they not splitted, a Yugoslavian team now could challenge the USA national team.
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During this Euro I have been pondering what kind of impact will Bogdanović bring to the Kings.
He is a good shooter with a versatile jumper (spot up/of the dribble/midrange game)
He can operate as a 2ndary creator in PNRs.
He is a solid and at times feisty on-ball defender with good wingspan and ok lateral quickness.
He is much more experienced than the usual rookie. (many Euroleague games and International competitions)
I think he can produce right away.
It's good he will play for Sacramento. It is a team that has connections in Serbia and they have minutes to give Bogdanovich.
Androslav, did the Russians used ICE against the PnR? I don't have a good eye for these things.
They did some, but were mixing it up due to foul trouble, read Marjanović. Serbians Iced more, logically, again cause of Marjanović.
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@Androslav and @Ederson
Thanks for your kind words, TP for you both.
The final, as you were expecting, will be Slovenia-Serbia. Had they not splitted, a Yugoslavian team now could challenge the USA national team.
I saw a Serbian poster today (not in the Forums) saying that a Yugoslav team would basically be a full strength Serbia with an excellent bench - maybe he was just trolling the Slovenes and Croats (and Bosnians and Macedonians who have some good players too) but I thought that was something to ask here.
How much better than Serbia do you think a united Yugoslavia would be?
In the same thread, I saw that Serbs congratulated Slovenes for the win against Spain, and were genuinely happy for their success. That was great to see.
Edit: I forgot Montenegro. I knew my counting was off.
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@Androslav and @Ederson
Thanks for your kind words, TP for you both.
The final, as you were expecting, will be Slovenia-Serbia. Had they not splitted, a Yugoslavian team now could challenge the USA national team.
I saw a Serbian poster today (not in the Forums) saying that a Yugoslav team would basically be a full strength Serbia with an excellent bench - maybe he was just trolling the Slovenes and Croats (and Bosnians and Macedonians who have some good players too) but I thought that was something to ask here.
How much better than Serbia do you think a united Yugoslavia would be?
In the same thread, I saw that Serbs congratulated Slovenes for the win against Spain, and were genuinely happy for their success. That was great to see.
You'd take the Serbian team and add at least Dragic, Doncic, Bogdanovich, Saric, and Vucevic. I think Dragic, Doncic, and Vucevic all start for the Yugoslavia team. I really like Radoncic from Montenegro too, although I don't think he makes the team for a couple of years.
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@Androslav and @Ederson
Thanks for your kind words, TP for you both.
The final, as you were expecting, will be Slovenia-Serbia. Had they not splitted, a Yugoslavian team now could challenge the USA national team.
I saw a Serbian poster today (not in the Forums) saying that a Yugoslav team would basically be a full strength Serbia with an excellent bench - maybe he was just trolling the Slovenes and Croats (and Bosnians and Macedonians who have some good players too) but I thought that was something to ask here.
How much better than Serbia do you think a united Yugoslavia would be?
In the same thread, I saw that Serbs congratulated Slovenes for the win against Spain, and were genuinely happy for their success. That was great to see.
You'd take the Serbian team and add Dragic, Doncic, Bogdanovich (probably), Saric, and Vucevic. I think Dragic, Doncic, and Vucevic all start for the Yugoslavia team. I really like Radoncic from Montenegro too, although I don't think he makes the team for a couple of years.
My 12 (5g/5f/2c) would be:
Dragić (Slovenia) - above average starting NBA PG
Bogdanović (Serbia) - spaces, can defend much better than Teo
Dončić (Slovenia) - the defense would suffer, but he spaces and creates (Kalinić and Cro Bogdanović are my close 2nd choices) recency bias
Šarić (Croatia) - best NBA 4 body out of the bunch, energy guy, passer
Jokić (Serbia) - Point Center, The Joker has many tricks
Teodosić (Serbia) - he can make any offense great.
Bogdanović (Croatia) - spaces, scores, NBA body
Kalinić (Serbia) - can defend, run, good BBIQ and shoot some/corner threes
Teletović (BIH)- spaces as good as anybody
Nurkić (BIH)/Marjanović (Serbia)/Vučević (MTNG) - one of the behemoths
Jović
Marković - good 4th and 5th guards
This squad could realy use defenders to cover combo forwards. Someone like an idealy/perfectly developed Bender. But then again, the passing (especially) and shooting is so sweet, I can't even comprehand. The offense wins championships now and this roster has it.
USA would need a good game to beat them as 1 game is a tricky thing when facing an exposive offense.
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@Androslav and @Ederson
Thanks for your kind words, TP for you both.
The final, as you were expecting, will be Slovenia-Serbia. Had they not splitted, a Yugoslavian team now could challenge the USA national team.
I saw a Serbian poster today (not in the Forums) saying that a Yugoslav team would basically be a full strength Serbia with an excellent bench - maybe he was just trolling the Slovenes and Croats (and Bosnians and Macedonians who have some good players too) but I thought that was something to ask here.
How much better than Serbia do you think a united Yugoslavia would be?
In the same thread, I saw that Serbs congratulated Slovenes for the win against Spain, and were genuinely happy for their success. That was great to see.
You'd take the Serbian team and add Dragic, Doncic, Bogdanovich (probably), Saric, and Vucevic. I think Dragic, Doncic, and Vucevic all start for the Yugoslavia team. I really like Radoncic from Montenegro too, although I don't think he makes the team for a couple of years.
My 12 (5g/5f/2c) would be:
Dragić (Slovenia) - above average starting NBA PG
Bogdanović (Serbia) - spaces, can defend much better than Teo
Dončić (Slovenia) - the defense would suffer, but he spaces and creates (Kalinić and Cro Bogdanović are my close 2nd choices) recency bias
Šarić (Croatia) - best NBA 4 body out of the bunch, energy guy, passer
Jokić (Serbia) - Point Center, The Joker has many tricks
Teodosić (Serbia) - he can make any offense great.
Bogdanović (Croatia) - spaces, scores, NBA body
Kalinić (Serbia) - can defend, run, good BBIQ and shot some/corner threes
Teletović (BIH)- spaces as good as anybody or Mačvan (Serbia)
Nurkić (BIH)/Marjanović (Serbia)/Vučević (MTNG) - one of the behemoths
Jović
Marković - good 4th and 5th guards
This squad could realy use defenders to cover combo forwards. Someone like an idealy/perfectly developed Bender. But then again, the passing (especially) and shooting is so sweet, I can't even comprehand. The offense wins championships now and this roster has it.
USA would need a good game to beat them as 1 game is a tricky thing when facing exposive offense.
and the GOAT Jokic xd
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I've tried to build my former Yugoslavian and former Soviet countries and it's completely gone out of my hands. Too many talented players, too many countries, too hard to choose.
I give up in admiration to those who are able to do that.
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But still, 3rd Serbia final in last 3 competition, 2 against USA and now against Slovenia... Good times for Serbian basketball...
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An overlooked fact is that Serbia is missing very important players :
Bejlica
Teodosic
Yokic
Radulica
Nedovic
Kalinic
Simonovic
That is 7 player roster good enough to go to final ... And serbia did it without them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Navarro announces retirement and and his teammates give him a standing ovation
https://twitter.com/baloncestofeb/status/909067566689259521/video/1
I never liked him , i still don't but he did have a great carrier. They only thing he didn't win is a gold Olympic medal. !! wow!!!!
But imho the way his teammates react is his biggest win.
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Great player, was destroying Europe for years and years.
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I missed the game Spain-Russia for the third place. Spain won.
Slovenia Serbia at 21.30 (gr time).
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I'm expecting Slovenia to win. Goran Dragic has owned this tournament, and probably deserves the MVP award (if they have such a thing). I don't think Serbia has an answer for him.
Either way, though, it's amazing the amount of talent coming from the countries that make up the former Yugoslavia.
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Pau should be an example for every basketball player (and Dirk)
He has had a amazing carrier he has won everything and still at the age of 37-38 after a long NBA season he played for the silver medal with the same passion as if it was his first final.
big respect .....
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Go Slovenia !!
(http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/blogs_2015/03/2015_11_zizek_books.jpg?itok=-eLj3nSb)
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Dončić/Bogdanović must see TV!
And Dragić too.
Boban is spectacular!
Jović giving his all out on a bad ankle guarding Dragić.
Dončić with a Grant Hill like coast to coast dunk. Wow!
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Come on Serbia, get back to the game. We want this game to be fun.
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Dragic is possessed! 24 points already
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lol my Serbian stream has Vlade Đurović (Τζούροβιτς) making comments at half time. Nice guy.
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Dragic is possessed! 24 points already
35 after 3q.
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what a game! tie with 3:50 to go!
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what a game! tie with 3:50 to go!
Great game!
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Randolph not getting the call!
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Great tournament for Slovenia. They deserved the gold.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/9/9f/Sloveniaball.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20160715191849)
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Danny should sign up Randolph for that 15th spot. He looks really good and seems like a fit in the BS system!
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box score (copy paste the links to your browser)
http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/1709/Slovenia-Serbia#|tab=boxscore_statistics
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Navarro announces retirement and and his teammates give him a standing ovation
https://twitter.com/baloncestofeb/status/909067566689259521/video/1
I never liked him , i still don't but he did have a great carrier. They only thing he didn't win is a gold Olympic medal. !! wow!!!!
But imho the way his teammates react is his biggest win.
TP. He's been one of the most entertaining European players for years, although (I imagine you feel the same) many people disliked some kind of flopping habits or exageration.
He has been cooked the last two years for Barcelona, but he's been called for the national team for his locker room influence to guide the younger players. Too many injuries have slowed him too much and he should retire even from club basketball, but his career has been superb. He could have been in the NBA more years but preferred to be at home, well paid and loved.
Pau is another story. 37 years, playing 95 games per year with deep playoff runs and still in his prime with the NT. I'm out of words.
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Navarro announces retirement and and his teammates give him a standing ovation
https://twitter.com/baloncestofeb/status/909067566689259521/video/1
I never liked him , i still don't but he did have a great carrier. They only thing he didn't win is a gold Olympic medal. !! wow!!!!
But imho the way his teammates react is his biggest win.
TP. He's been one of the most entertaining European players for years, although (I imagine you feel the same) many people disliked some kind of flopping habits or exageration.
He has been cooked the last two years for Barcelona, but he's been called for the national team for his locker room influence to guide the younger players. Too many injuries have slowed him too much and he should retire even from club basketball, but his career has been superb. He could have been in the NBA more years but preferred to be at home, well paid and loved.
Pau is another story. 37 years, playing 95 games per year with deep playoff runs and still in his prime with the NT. I'm out of words.
La Bomba
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Randolph not getting the call!
The officiating during the whole tournament was not good (to say the least)
FIBA used second (and third) tier refs for the tournament....
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Coach Nick on Dragic and Doncic in the Eurobasket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0CQIlDPsU