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25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #2
« on: June 17, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »

Offline Casperian

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This is #2 in a series of threads to determine the 25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time.

It´s the off-season, and we need something to talk about besides nonsensical trade-rumors.

So I thought we could make a big poll to decide once and for all who are the greatest Celtics players of all-time. I´m sure it has been done many times before, and I know that it´s tricky to rate our legends, but I´ve figured that there is no better place for this than Celticsblog, and I haven´t seen such a poll here before.

Players to consider:

Larry Bird
Bob Cousy
John Havlicek
Tommy Heinsohn
Paul Pierce
Dave Cowens
Kevin McHale

Rules

1. Only players are eligible.
No former coaches, GMs or owners. The Celtics´ history is just too rich of characters to include all of them.

2. You can include off-the-court performances.
Although only former or current players are eligible, it is perfectly fine to include Tommy`s accolades as a coach and broadcaster, Danny Ainge´s contributions as a GM, and Dave Cowens´ nap on a parkbench after celebrating with the fans in 1974 in your evaluation.

3. You have three votes.
The first vote is worth 4 points, the second 2 points, and the third 1 point. This is to pay tribute to the fact that many people have a problem to decide between players, and that we want this poll to be as accurate as possible. This system is certainly more suited for a poll like this than a simple "one vote" poll.

Just write a post with your votes, and after the poll is closed, I will go through the thread and count every vote personally. I´ll close the poll in 2-4 days.

And if you want to discuss your votes, do it here, please:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=28994.0

Makes it much easier for me to count the votes.
Thank you.

Winner of the last poll:




William Felton "Bill" Russell
11× NBA Champion (1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969)
5× NBA MVP (1958, 1961–1963, 1965)
12× NBA All-Star (1958–1969)
3× All-NBA First Team Selection (1959, 1963, 1965)
8× All-NBA Second Team Selection (1958, 1960–1962, 1964, 1966–1968)
1× NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1969)
1× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1963)

The Finals MVP trophy is called the "Bill Russell Award" in honor of Russell.

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Russell is one of the most successful and decorated athletes in North American sports history. His awards and achievements include eleven NBA championships as a player with the Boston Celtics in 13 seasons (including two NBA championships as player/head coach), and he is credited with having raised defensive play in the NBA to a new level. By winning the 1956 NCAA Championship with USF and the 1957 NBA title with the Celtics, Russell became the first of only four players in basketball history to win an NCAA championship and an NBA Championship back-to-back (the others being Henry Bibby, Magic Johnson, and Billy Thompson). In the interim, Russell collected an Olympic gold medal in 1956. His stint as coach of the Celtics was also of historical significance, as he became the first black head coach in major U.S. professional sports when he succeeded Red Auerbach.

In his first NBA full season (1957–58), Russell became the first player in NBA history to average more than 20 rebounds per game for an entire season, a feat he accomplished 10 times in his 13 seasons. Russell's 51 rebounds in a single game is the second highest performance ever, only trailing Chamberlain's all-time record of 55. He still holds the NBA record for rebounds in one half with 32 (vs. Philadelphia, on November 16 1957). Career-wise, Russell ranks second only to Wilt Chamberlain in regular season total (21,620) and average (22.5) rebounds per game, and led the NBA in average rebounds per game four times.. Russell is the all-time playoff leader in total (4,104) and average (24.9) rebounds per game, he grabbed 40 rebounds in three separate playoff games (twice in the NBA Finals), and he never failed to average at least 20 rebounds per game in any of his 13 post-season campaigns. Russell also had seven regular season games with 40 or more rebounds, the NBA Finals record for highest rebound per game average (29.5 rpg, 1959) and by a rookie (22.9 rpg, 1957). In addition, Russell holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most rebounds (40, March 29 1960 vs. St. Louis and April 18 1962 vs. Los Angeles), most rebounds in a quarter (19, April 18 1962 vs. Los Angeles), and most consecutive games with 20 or more rebounds (15 from April 9 1960–April 16 1963). He also had 51 in one game, 49 in two others, and twelve straight seasons of 1,000 or more rebounds. Russell was known as one of the most clutch players in the NBA. He played in 11 deciding games (10 times in Game 7s, once in a Game 5), and ended with a flawless 11–0 record. In these eleven games, Russell averaged 18 points and 29.45 rebounds.

On the hardwood, he was considered the consummate defensive center, noted for his unmatched defensive intensity, his stellar basketball IQ and his sheer will to win. Russell excelled at playing man-to-man defense, blocking shots, and grabbing defensive and offensive rebounds. He also could score with putbacks and made mid-air outlet passes to point guard Bob Cousy for easy fast break points. He also was known as a fine passer and pick-setter, featured a decent left-handed hook shot and finished strong on alley oops. However, on offense, Russell's output was limited. His NBA career personal averages show him to be an average scorer (15.1 points career average), a poor free throw shooter (56.1%), and average overall shooter from the field (44%, not exceptional for a center). In his 13 years, he averaged a relatively low 13.4 field goals attempted (normally, top scorers average 20 and more), illustrating that he was never the focal point of the Celtics offense, instead focusing on his tremendous defense.

In his career, Russell won five regular season MVP awards (1959, 1961–63, 1965)—tied with Michael Jordan for second all-time behind Kareem Abdul Jabbar's six awards. He was selected three times to the All-NBA First Teams (1959, 1963, 1965) and eight Second Teams (1958, 1960–62, 1964, 1966–68), and was a twelve-time NBA All-Star (1958–1969). Russell was elected to one NBA All-Defensive First Team. This took place during his last season (1969), and was the first season the NBA All-Defensive Teams were selected. In 1970, The Sporting News named Russell the "Athlete of the Decade". Russell is universally seen as one of the best NBA players ever, and was declared "Greatest Player in the History of the NBA" by the Professional Basketball Writers Association of America in 1980.
Source: Wikipedia

Final Outcome (points in parenthesis):
Total Votes: 31

Bill Russell (118)
Larry Bird (63)
John Havlicek (18)
Bob Cousy (6)
Tommy Heinsohn (5)
Dave Cowens (3)
Paul Pierce (2)
Kevin McHale (1)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 06:48:37 PM by Casperian »
In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 06:14:04 PM »

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So...do it like this?

2 Bird
3 Cooz
4 Hondo

and don't vote for Russell even if you think he's the second best?  (not that I did)
Yup

Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 06:19:07 PM »

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Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 06:21:09 PM »

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Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 06:21:30 PM »

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So...do it like this?

2 Bird
3 Cooz
4 Hondo

and don't vote for Russell even if you think he's the second best?  (not that I did)
Yeah Russell won the first poll. We're now having a new poll to determine number two!

Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 06:23:12 PM »

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Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 06:27:32 PM »

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So...do it like this?

2 Bird
3 Cooz
4 Hondo

and don't vote for Russell even if you think he's the second best?  (not that I did)
Yeah Russell won the first poll. We're now having a new poll to determine number two!

Yeah, but this one will run a bit shorter. #1 and #2 are pretty obvious, and I think it´ll start to get interesting once we´re at #5.
In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 06:31:28 PM »

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Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
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Re: 25 Greatest Celtic of All-Time : #2
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In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: 25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #2
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2009, 06:58:34 PM »

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Re: 25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #2
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Re: 25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #2
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Re: 25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #2
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