Knicks (4-14) at Celtics (9-8) Game#18 11/21/2018

[ozgod]

Lol let the boo birds rain down, fans. This team deserves it.

Brad needs to be on the hot seat. Complete failure this season thus far - bar none. Get a coach who won't waste the most talent we've had in at least a decade.

give me a list of top 5 coaches youd like to be hired if DA fires brad. just curious?

??

does anybody here really think DA will fire brad? i just do not see it.

I don't think it's appropriate to fire him at this point but if we miss the playoffs I could see Danny considering a change. Depends if there's anyone who would be an upgrade.

[gouki88]

The only positve I can think of Hayward finally bringing in sone aggressiveness.. Hope he is more aggresaive and stop passing up shots when its there.

Missed a bunch of FT and missed a lot of open threes which basically means this was suppose to be a winnable game.

Morris should start IMO and replace Baynes.. See if that changes our plan of attack.

Would you be happy if Hayward goes to his prior form but we miss the playoffs in the process?
This ridiculousness all about Hayward has to stop we were fine without him...

Lol, you can't be attributing the terrible play of our young guys to Hayward merely being there, can you?

[ozgod]

Is this game worth watching on DVR or should I just skip it and move on. I kinda wanna see how Hayward played, looked like he had a decent game at least.

[gouki88]

Is this game worth watching on DVR or should I just skip it and move on. I kinda wanna see how Hayward played, looked like he had a decent game at least.

The last quarter wasn't bad, besides the choke by JB.

May as well wait for GH's highlights to hit YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsvPqANw09HyK7jsXUC3kuA
^ is a really good channel for Celtics content if you're interested

[jpd985]

Is this game worth watching on DVR or should I just skip it and move on. I kinda wanna see how Hayward played, looked like he had a decent game at least.

Skip it. Save yourself some pain.

[Kuberski33]

Is this game worth watching on DVR or should I just skip it and move on. I kinda wanna see how Hayward played, looked like he had a decent game at least.

Well...this was Hayward's best game to date.  The rest of it was 'burn the tape' quality so you'll have to decide. 

[ozgod]

The only positve I can think of Hayward finally bringing in sone aggressiveness.. Hope he is more aggresaive and stop passing up shots when its there.

Missed a bunch of FT and missed a lot of open threes which basically means this was suppose to be a winnable game.

Morris should start IMO and replace Baynes.. See if that changes our plan of attack.

Would you be happy if Hayward goes to his prior form but we miss the playoffs in the process?
This ridiculousness all about Hayward has to stop we were fine without him...

Lol, you can't be attributing the terrible play of our young guys to Hayward merely being there, can you?

I don't think we can blame Hayward for the following:

Brown 4-10
Tatum 4-12
Rozier 0-4
Irving 9-25

[ozgod]

Is this game worth watching on DVR or should I just skip it and move on. I kinda wanna see how Hayward played, looked like he had a decent game at least.

Well...this was Hayward's best game to date.  The rest of it was 'burn the tape' quality so you'll have to decide. 

Maybe I'll just try and find some Hayward highlights on ESPN or something then 

[gouki88]

The only positve I can think of Hayward finally bringing in sone aggressiveness.. Hope he is more aggresaive and stop passing up shots when its there.

Missed a bunch of FT and missed a lot of open threes which basically means this was suppose to be a winnable game.

Morris should start IMO and replace Baynes.. See if that changes our plan of attack.

Would you be happy if Hayward goes to his prior form but we miss the playoffs in the process?
This ridiculousness all about Hayward has to stop we were fine without him...

Lol, you can't be attributing the terrible play of our young guys to Hayward merely being there, can you?

I don't think we can blame Hayward for the following:

Brown 4-10
Tatum 4-12
Rozier 0-4
Irving 9-25

I swear 3 or 4 of Rozier's misses came in a 1 minute stretch, two of which he just went up against Robinson without even thinking. Blegh

[jpotter33]

Lol let the boo birds rain down, fans. This team deserves it.

Brad needs to be on the hot seat. Complete failure this season thus far - bar none. Get a coach who won't waste the most talent we've had in at least a decade.

give me a list of top 5 coaches youd like to be hired if DA fires brad. just curious?

??

does anybody here really think DA will fire brad? i just do not see it.

I don't think it's appropriate to fire him at this point but if we miss the playoffs I could see Danny considering a change. Depends if there's anyone who would be an upgrade.

He won't be fired; I'm pretty sure he's got like four to five more guaranteed years on his contract or something like that.

He definitely needs to be feeling some heat from Danny, though, because this is inexcusable, as he is failing one of his basic functions of being a coach.

I think I've come to the conclusion that he simply isn't equipped at this point to coach a team with this much talent, as he's never had to manage this type of talent in his career due to always playing with less and having to maximize it, whether that be at Butler or Boston.

That's a completely different type of coaching than what he has to do this year, and a big part of that is keeping players motivated. When we had those scrappy, underdog teams or even last year with all of the injuries, Brad didn't have to keep guys motivated or worry about managing team morale, as the team's character and overall makeup was different. This year we got it into our heads that we can sleepwalk to victories with our talent, and Brad is just dumbfounded and can't figure out how or even what to fix.

[CelticsElite]

Imagine being a score first point guard (rozier) and putting up a goose egg

[CelticsElite]

Lol let the boo birds rain down, fans. This team deserves it.

Brad needs to be on the hot seat. Complete failure this season thus far - bar none. Get a coach who won't waste the most talent we've had in at least a decade.

give me a list of top 5 coaches youd like to be hired if DA fires brad. just curious?

??

does anybody here really think DA will fire brad? i just do not see it.

I don't think it's appropriate to fire him at this point but if we miss the playoffs I could see Danny considering a change. Depends if there's anyone who would be an upgrade.

He won't be fired; I'm pretty sure he's got like four to five more guaranteed years on his contract or something like that.

He definitely needs to be feeling some heat from Danny, though, because this is inexcusable, as he is failing one of his basic functions of being a coach.

I think I've come to the conclusion that he simply isn't equipped at this point to coach a team with this much talent, as he's never had to manage this type of talent in his career due to always playing with less and having to maximize it, whether that be at Butler or Boston.

That's a completely different type of coaching than what he has to do this year, and a big part of that is keeping players motivated. When we had those scrappy, underdog teams or even last year with all of the injuries, Brad didn't have to keep guys motivated or worry about managing team morale, as the team's character and overall makeup was different. This year we got it into our heads that we can sleepwalk to victories with our talent, and Brad is just dumbfounded and can't figure out how or even what to fix.

#BringBackDoc

[gouki88]

Imagine being a score first point guard (rozier) and putting up a goose egg

His first game with 0, but he's had one 3 point game, three 4 point games and one 5 point game. Exactly 1/3 of the time Terry scores 5 points or less

[Vox_Populi]

biggest difference between last year's team and this year's team is the frequency with which open shots were made last year and missed this year.   if the team was shooting like it did last year, we'd be talking about knocking off GSW. 

Brad can't shoot the shots or make the FTs for these guys but he's got to change his offensive philosophy from bombing away from the get go to getting buckets close in to warm up the shooters.

I agree. Stevens will trot out some odd lineups. But today, I thought he stuck with whomever was playing well - within reason. You can't play Kyrie 40+ minutes against the Knicks in November.

Brad is not the problem.

See, this is where I disagree. Managing the talent is the primary job of NBA coaches, whether that be their expectations, their roles, their egos, or even their energy and motivation.

I don't think anyone disagrees that these guys are in their own heads now, and it's affecting their play at both ends. The fact that Brad has not been able to remedy this issue nearly a quarter of the way into the season is a major red flag. Guys are not playing with regular energy, intensity, or motivation - and that's on the coaching staff by not properly having their guys ready for games and managing these issues.

Combine this with the other issues - the inflexibility with his offensive philosophy, questionable rotations and decision-making, not clarifying roles, etc. - and the coaching staff clearly is a primary factor in this failure of a season thus far.

Players also bear some of the responsibility, but this is coaching 101 stuff that the coaching staff can't get a handle on.

It's not that I think Stevens and co. should get no blame. They do. Some of our problems are not new - going down early and taking far too many mid-range shots. A large part of that, if not most, is on the coaches.

I just don't think he should be on the hot seat at all. Even with all the expectations, he's earned lots of time to figure things out. And he has a track record of doing so.

[ozgod]

Lol let the boo birds rain down, fans. This team deserves it.

Brad needs to be on the hot seat. Complete failure this season thus far - bar none. Get a coach who won't waste the most talent we've had in at least a decade.

give me a list of top 5 coaches youd like to be hired if DA fires brad. just curious?

??

does anybody here really think DA will fire brad? i just do not see it.

I don't think it's appropriate to fire him at this point but if we miss the playoffs I could see Danny considering a change. Depends if there's anyone who would be an upgrade.

He won't be fired; I'm pretty sure he's got like four to five more guaranteed years on his contract or something like that.

He definitely needs to be feeling some heat from Danny, though, because this is inexcusable, as he is failing one of his basic functions of being a coach.

I think I've come to the conclusion that he simply isn't equipped at this point to coach a team with this much talent, as he's never had to manage this type of talent in his career due to always playing with less and having to maximize it, whether that be at Butler or Boston.

That's a completely different type of coaching than what he has to do this year, and a big part of that is keeping players motivated. When we had those scrappy, underdog teams or even last year with all of the injuries, Brad didn't have to keep guys motivated or worry about managing team morale, as the team's character and overall makeup was different. This year we got it into our heads that we can sleepwalk to victories with our talent, and Brad is just dumbfounded and can't figure out how or even what to fix.

I've always thought that the biggest issue ahead of Brad, ahead of all the tactical stuff, was having to synthesize all the disparate elements of this team into a cohesive whole. The challenge is compounded because you have three players (Tatum, Brown, Rozier) who basically had breakout seasons last season and you are effectively rewarding their improvement by giving them less touches, less minutes, a smaller role and that negativity has seeped into the team as a whole.

Right now this team is disjointed, dispirited and not putting the effort in on the defensive end. Giving up 117 points to the Knicks? I saw some of the replays where Trey Burke burned us over and over and it looks like they're falling down on simple things like fighting through screens or keeping your man in front of you. Those are basic fundamental basketball plays. We're constantly getting killed on pick and rolls. That to me speaks of a negative mindset. That's really what Brad needs to work on - that and to prevent the locker room environment from turning poisonous. If we as fans are this frustrated I can imagine how much more they would be (and if they aren't frustrated they don't have pride in their performances). So easy for this situation to end up with fingerpointing and blame game.

That said, I personally think it's early to conclude he doesn't have what it takes. I think that assessment is something you can only arrive at when you have a season under your belt and have either succeeded or failed. But it's fair to say right now he's not exactly succeeding.