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Trading Rondo?!
« on: June 16, 2013, 11:40:25 PM »

Offline rondoallaturca

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So I've been reading a lot of Celtics fans saying they're actually willing to trade Rajon Rondo. That has me really surprised. So surprised that I made this account just to make a post about it. What benefit do the C's have AT ALL by trading Rondo?

Financially, Rondo's contract is one of the most team friendly contracts in the league. For how much he contributes, $11M is an absolute freaking bargain. To put it in perspective, Deandre Jordan gets paid about that much. In today's CBA, it is more important than ever to take advantage of these team friendly contracts.

As a personality, Rondo might be a bit too out of the park at times, but he embodies what it means to be a Celtic. He pours his heart out onto the court. He comes up big when it matters the most. And he hates his rivalries to death.

Now to the most important part: his skills on the court. When it comes to talking about the point guard position in its truest sense, I can't think of many other players in the league that fill that role better than Rondo. Rondo's one of the most cerebral minds in the game right now and it's scary to think he can flat out take entire games into his own hands when he's just 6'1/186. His defense has slid a bit in recent years as he's been gambling for steals more and more, but give me another point guard who willingly (and successfully) guards Lebron James. His midrange game has significantly improved, and he continues to finish around the rim well. He still has yet to develop a reliable perimeter game or free throw, but if Rondo had that, he'd break into a rare echelon of PG dominance that only Steve Nash or Chris Paul have probably scratched this past decade. And above all else, Rondo's a proven Heat killer.

With all this said, I really don't understand why some Celtics fans would want to dump Rondo for cents on the dollar (unless, of course, they really aren't Celtics fans). I mean, I've even seen people propose Rondo for Greivis flipping Vasquez and a draft pick. Outside of the 9 assists he gets, he virtually plays every other aspect of the game below average, especially defense. Honestly, people might as well start offering Garnett for Robin Lopez while they're at it. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 11:43:37 PM »

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Calling someone an untrue fan because they would trade Rondo?

Oh boy, shaking my head ???

The Rondo love is reaching an all-time fever pitch.

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 11:50:49 PM »

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I must admit I'm a Rondo fan (in case my user name didn't give it away), but I've removed myself from any sort of chummy sentiments when it comes to this offseason. If someone said the same with Jeff Green, I'd have the same response. Green is in a similar situation: good player but not necessarily someone to build around, but an absolute keeper due to a favorable contract. Looking at everything from a completely unbiased view, it'd be absolutely ludicrous to trade away Rondo unless we're getting back a guy like CP3.

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 11:52:36 PM »

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So I've been reading a lot of Celtics fans saying they're actually willing to trade Rajon Rondo. That has me really surprised. So surprised that I made this account just to make a post about it. What benefit do the C's have AT ALL by trading Rondo?

Financially, Rondo's contract is one of the most team friendly contracts in the league. For how much he contributes, $11M is an absolute freaking bargain. To put it in perspective, Deandre Jordan gets paid about that much. In today's CBA, it is more important than ever to take advantage of these team friendly contracts.

As a personality, Rondo might be a bit too out of the park at times, but he embodies what it means to be a Celtic. He pours his heart out onto the court. He comes up big when it matters the most. And he hates his rivalries to death.

Now to the most important part: his skills on the court. When it comes to talking about the point guard position in its truest sense, I can't think of many other players in the league that fill that role better than Rondo. Rondo's one of the most cerebral minds in the game right now and it's scary to think he can flat out take entire games into his own hands when he's just 6'1/186. His defense has slid a bit in recent years as he's been gambling for steals more and more, but give me another point guard who willingly (and successfully) guards Lebron James. His midrange game has significantly improved, and he continues to finish around the rim well. He still has yet to develop a reliable perimeter game or free throw, but if Rondo had that, he'd break into a rare echelon of PG dominance that only Steve Nash or Chris Paul have probably scratched this past decade. And above all else, Rondo's a proven Heat killer.

With all this said, I really don't understand why some Celtics fans would want to trade Rondo (unless, of course, they really aren't Celtics fans). I mean, I've even seen people propose Rondo for Greivis flipping Vasquez and a draft pick. Outside of the 9 assists he gets, he virtually plays every other aspect of the game below average, especially defense. Honestly, people might as well start offering Garnett for Robin Lopez while they're at it.
thank you. finally someone with common sense. The heart of rondo is immeasurable by stats. How many players would dive for that loose ball even if theyre up by 20?

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 11:52:59 PM »

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Never trade Rondo.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 11:56:05 PM »

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Calling someone an untrue fan because they would trade Rondo?

I wouldn't call someone an untrue fan if they wanted to trade Rondo now.  I'd think they don't understand Rondo's value on the court and how trading him before he shows how much he will recover from his injury is minimizing Rondo's trade value, but I that doesn't make someone untrue.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 11:58:14 PM »

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I care about the name on the front of the jersey more than the name on the back.

It all depends on the return.  I'm a fan of Rondo and will enjoy watching him wherever he goes.  But if trading Rondo is one of the steps that accelerates the rebuilding process and gets us back to contending for titles, then I'm all for it.   

That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 12:00:33 AM »

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That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.

Some people don't like it when I say that applies to Sullinger.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 12:04:40 AM »

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I altered that part of the post since I didn't want to give off the impression that I thought anyone who wanted to trade Rondo was an untrue Celtics fan. I agree with Atzar's viewpoint; I love Rondo and will follow him wherever he goes, but if the C's are able to get an APPROPRIATE haul for him, then I understand. The NBA is a business after all. I'm just dumbfounded that Rondo's worth has been reduced to the likes of Vasquez and a draft picks in the eyes of some.

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That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.

Some people don't like it when I say that applies to Sullinger.

If somebody is offering good value for him, then I'd trade him just like anybody else.  However, I do think it's pretty unlikely that you get a good offer for him, given his current injury (which could be a long-term red flag).

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2013, 12:17:36 AM »

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Gosh, if the right trade came up with Sullinger, I'd do it in a heartbeat. He's got an absolutely phenomenal personality, and an even greater work ethic, but there's no way he would've fallen that far if one simple surgery would fix what doctors described as a career-long issue.

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People on this board have over analyzed every single aspect of the Celtics so much that many have somehow convinced themselves that Rondo should be used as trade bait.

Dont worry dude, most Celtic fans recognize how incredible he is.

I for one would not trade Rondo for anyone. I dont like Lebron and I think Rondo will win more titles than Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, and Derrick Rose.

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I care about the name on the front of the jersey more than the name on the back.

It all depends on the return.  I'm a fan of Rondo and will enjoy watching him wherever he goes.  But if trading Rondo is one of the steps that accelerates the rebuilding process and gets us back to contending for titles, then I'm all for it.   

That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.
But thats just so illogical. Rondo is better than any player he would bring back in a trade and any sum of draft picks the celtics would hypothetically receive for him.

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I care about the name on the front of the jersey more than the name on the back.

It all depends on the return.  I'm a fan of Rondo and will enjoy watching him wherever he goes.  But if trading Rondo is one of the steps that accelerates the rebuilding process and gets us back to contending for titles, then I'm all for it.   

That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.
But thats just so illogical. Rondo is better than any player he would bring back in a trade and any sum of draft picks the celtics would hypothetically receive for him.

Read the bolded again. 

It's not illogical at all to consider all options.  You miss opportunities if you have a closed mind.  It IS illogical to treat a possibility as if it is a certainty, like you did in your post. 

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I care about the name on the front of the jersey more than the name on the back.

It all depends on the return.  I'm a fan of Rondo and will enjoy watching him wherever he goes.  But if trading Rondo is one of the steps that accelerates the rebuilding process and gets us back to contending for titles, then I'm all for it.   

That goes for any Celtic.  Nobody is untouchable if the return is favorable for the franchise as a whole.
But thats just so illogical. Rondo is better than any player he would bring back in a trade and any sum of draft picks the celtics would hypothetically receive for him.

Asserting that Rondo is better than any player he'd bring  back (directly or in draft picks) is equally, if not more illogical, especially owing to his ACL injury.

Now, you can say that trading Rondo straight up for any other point guard in the league is a bad idea. That's probably true. Do you similarly veto a trade Rondo for a LaMarcus Aldridge/Kevin Love/DMC-level big?
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