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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: gpap on December 18, 2012, 09:55:42 PM
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Found this interesting
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/network/network-article.aspx?articleid=756775
Personally, I like Evans as I think he's a great shooter. With how inconsistent Terry, Lee and Green have been, this wouldn't be a bad move
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I would be ecstatic if we get Evans. I just don't see it happening though.
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FYI: this is Chad Ford speculation, not a rumor.
interesting though
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Would be happy with him.. we need someone who goes hard to the rim
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Tyreke is - and has been throughout his career - a pretty subpar shooter. What he does do though, is get to the rim and create his own shots.
I do wonder - how much of this is based on how badly Danny wanted Tyreke before the 09 draft versus any current interest.
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Found this interesting
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/network/network-article.aspx?articleid=756775
Personally, I like Evans as I think he's a great shooter. With how inconsistent Terry, Lee and Green have been, this wouldn't be a bad move
He's a terrible shooter. He's lazy on defense. If he does come, he won't get a chance to shine because Rondo will have the ball in his hands more often than not. Evans is clueless when it comes to playing off the ball.
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Ford reading the Celtics boards I guess. Tyreke makes sense if we didn't already have rondo. Two ball dominant players can co-exist if one them can shoot, and in this case neither one can.
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Bradley and melo
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Bradley and melo
I would do that. You need someone else to match salaries I believe.
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Bradley and melo
I would do that. You need someone else to match salaries I believe.
what is his $? i thought he was still on a rookie deal
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Much rather go after Josh Smith, Varajeo or Gortat .
Why do we need another 2 guard? I think Bradley has the potential to be just as good as Evans on offense and is a superior defender .
The idea is if we give up Bradley, it is going to be for a big man. Trading him for another 2 guard who isn't a huge improvement, if one at all , makes no sense to me .
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Not a big fan of tyreke. Don't think he can play with Rondo and Pierce in doc's system, but maybe if they could somehow get cousins(I know sac town thinks he is a star) too it may be worth talking on Salmons bad contract.
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Bradley and melo
I would do that. You need someone else to match salaries I believe.
what is his $? i thought he was still on a rookie deal
5.25 million this year, 6.7 million next year for Evans
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Tyreke is due for a huge payday. Avery has another year on cost-effective rookie deal. Keep that in mind.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083 (http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083)
ALL DAY!!
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083 (http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083)
ALL DAY!!
Not bad, I'd do it. Only caveat is I think Sac would want Jeff Green (another young player) instead of 35 year old Terry.
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Much rather go after Josh Smith, Varajeo or Gortat .
Why do we need another 2 guard? I think Bradley has the potential to be just as good as Evans on offense and is a superior defender .
The idea is if we give up Bradley, it is going to be for a big man. Trading him for another 2 guard who isn't a huge improvement, if one at all , makes no sense to me .
At least in my mind this would be a trade we would do if we gave up this year and looked to blow it up. So with Evans coming in I'm thinking others would be going out in other trades.
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Much rather go after Josh Smith, Varajeo or Gortat .
Why do we need another 2 guard? I think Bradley has the potential to be just as good as Evans on offense and is a superior defender .
The idea is if we give up Bradley, it is going to be for a big man. Trading him for another 2 guard who isn't a huge improvement, if one at all , makes no sense to me .
At least in my mind this would be a trade we would do if we gave up this year and looked to blow it up. So with Evans coming in I'm thinking others would be going out in other trades.
After tonight's game, giving up this year makes sense.
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Tyreke is due for a huge payday. Avery has another year on cost-effective rookie deal. Keep that in mind.
I'm not sure there are a ton of teams out there looking to give Tyreke that huge pay day. I could be wrong, but I'm not as sure of that happening as I would have been a year ago or so.
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Lee + Bass + 1st rd pick for Evans and JT.. ;D
The Kings can throw in Salmons if they want some salary dump..
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I think Varejao is the best option out there if we want to keep this team together. But he has become a fan favorite in Cleveland, so not so sure they would move him.
Cousins and Evans I'm sure are both available for the right price. You could probably even get them both if you offered an athletic yet underachieving sf originally out of Georgetown and Bradley.
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I think Varejao is the best option out there if we want to keep this team together. But he has become a fan favorite in Cleveland, so not so sure they would move him.
Cousins and Evans I'm sure are both available for the right price. You could probably even get them both if you offered an athletic yet underachieving sf originally out of Georgetown and Bradley.
That would be a steal if we could get it done.
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A Rondo/Evans backcourt? no thankyou.
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I think Varejao is the best option out there if we want to keep this team together. But he has become a fan favorite in Cleveland, so not so sure they would move him.
Cousins and Evans I'm sure are both available for the right price. You could probably even get them both if you offered an athletic yet underachieving sf originally out of Georgetown and Bradley.
DONE!!!!!
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You have got to be kidding me.
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I think Varejao is the best option out there if we want to keep this team together. But he has become a fan favorite in Cleveland, so not so sure they would move him.
Cousins and Evans I'm sure are both available for the right price. You could probably even get them both if you offered an athletic yet underachieving sf originally out of Georgetown and Bradley.
DONE!!!!!
My thought was, 'IMPOSSIBLE!'
DeMarcus would require Rondo be involved.
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A Rondo/Evans backcourt? no thankyou.
so many broken jumpshots
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We a need a big badly not Tyreke Evans
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We a need a big badly not Tyreke Evans
that's why this trade has Danny and Doc written all over it
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this isn't a rumor, its a reporter saying he wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics made a run at Evans based on the fact Danny liked him pre draft.
I'd be very surprised if we made a run. Evans needs the ball to be effective so to does Rondo and Terry (assuming there not involved in the trade) so why give up our best trade assets to get a guy who won't be utilized effectively.
If we make a trade, it needs to be for a C/PF
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There is no chance they move Cousins for anything we're offering including Rondo.
If Danny could get Cousins/Evans for Green/Bradley that deal would have been done yesterday.
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I think Varejao is the best option out there if we want to keep this team together. But he has become a fan favorite in Cleveland, so not so sure they would move him.
Cousins and Evans I'm sure are both available for the right price. You could probably even get them both if you offered an athletic yet underachieving sf originally out of Georgetown and Bradley.
DONE!!!!!
My thought was, 'IMPOSSIBLE!'
DeMarcus would require Rondo be involved.
Obviously I was kidding.
Seriously, back onto this thread, if we could flip CLee, Bass and picks for Tyreke and Jason Thompson then definitely.
Tyreke gives us penetration, potential, someone who can create shots and an actual ballhandler behind Rondo. Tyreke would allow AB to play semi-off-ball which he seems to excel at.
I would not give up AB for Tyreke, however.
Lee and Bass are solid bench players and have friendlier contracts than the Kings' outgoing players (if I recall correctly). They'd be able to invest in Robinson and Thornton fully. Plus they'd get picks.
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Tyreke can stay in SAC Town. No thanks.
I'd take him for Lee+ a pick or something, but they'll get more for him elsewhere. Guys got the IQ of a lamp post.
Someone said that SAC wouldn't give up Cousins even if Rondo was involved. I don't agree. They'd do that deal in an instant.
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Speculation. Why would we want Evans and how would he fit into an already overcrowded backcourt with a ball dominant point guard?
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Don't see how Tyreke would be an improvement over Bradley. When healthy, Avery's looked like the perfect 2 to play with Rondo.
I wouldn't hesitate to move Avery in a trade, but certainly not this one.
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Speculation. Why would we want Evans and how would he fit into an already overcrowded backcourt with a ball dominant point guard?
For me, it's all about adding talent. And Evans' talent can't be denied. The guy has tremendous upside (all NBA team type upside) and is only 1 year younger than Bradley. The Heat figured it out with two ball dominant players, so I'm of the mindset that talent will find a way. Rondo and Evans are just too good to not figure things out.
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Speculation. Why would we want Evans and how would he fit into an already overcrowded backcourt with a ball dominant point guard?
For me, it's all about adding talent. And Evans' talent can't be denied. The guy has tremendous upside (all NBA team type upside) and is only 1 year younger than Bradley. The Heat figured it out with two ball dominant players, so I'm of the mindset that talent will find a way. Rondo and Evans are just too good to not figure things out.
How much better are they of a 1-2 combo than the Bucks' Monta Ellis & Brandon Jennings?
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
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I just don't see him fitting well. His ball dominate style goes against what Rondo brings to the team. Say the Cs trade for him in package build around Green. The Cs would then be using Evans as there 6th man and primary back up for all 3 wing positions. This would be great for the 11 min a game that rondo isn't on the floor, but the 20min that they would share would be problematic. The only way this work is if evans learns to be an effective cutter off the ball. This is the one skill offensively that made AB effective playing with rondo last year. Cutting along with continuing to improve his 3pt shot up to 30% this year from 25% and maybe this works.... but i doubt it
for the sake of discussion
To Sac Green, Lee, and 1st (or Melo)
To Cs Evans, Thompson , Garcia
Sac, gets a young vet (high character) SF to play along side Cousins. Moving thompson opens up minutes for robinson. Lee pairs with Thorton to form there SG rotation and take up evans minutes, adds defense on the perimeter for sac.
Boston, thompson becomes the starting PF. The Cs eight man rotation becomes the following.
PG Rondo
SG Avery
SF Pierce
PF Thompson
C KG
6th Evans
7th Terry
8th Bass
When rondo sits Evans becomes primary ball handler with terry or AB at the 2 (this potential is great defensively with the small 2 guarding the point). The big thing becomes can a lineup of Rondo, AB/Terry, and Evans spread the floor enough to be effective? Can the Cs compete with the knicks and heat without a big SF? Also building chemistry for this year goes out the window.
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Speculation. Why would we want Evans and how would he fit into an already overcrowded backcourt with a ball dominant point guard?
For me, it's all about adding talent. And Evans' talent can't be denied. The guy has tremendous upside (all NBA team type upside) and is only 1 year younger than Bradley. The Heat figured it out with two ball dominant players, so I'm of the mindset that talent will find a way. Rondo and Evans are just too good to not figure things out.
How much better are they of a 1-2 combo than the Bucks' Monta Ellis & Brandon Jennings?
Potentially speaking, I would say a lot. Jennings and Ellis are a very small backcourt and I'm not very fond of how their collective lack of size compliments each other. Evans is 6-6 220 and has legit 2 guard size, where Ellis is a 2 guard stuck in a 1's body.
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Evans is probably one of those guys
the malcontent, chip-on-shoulder type
who would respond well to the pressures
and obsession in Boston for the Celtics.
I'd have to say go for it.
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I do wonder - how much of this is based on how badly Danny wanted Tyreke before the 09 draft versus any current interest.
My guess is "a lot"
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
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Ford reading the Celtics boards I guess. Tyreke makes sense if we didn't already have rondo. Two ball dominant players can co-exist if one them can shoot, and in this case neither one can.
This by no stretch means Danny won't trade for him. While there's clear risk considering he doesn't fit well with Rondo, 1) he can score, 2) the Kings want to be rid of him and will sell low, 3) he does fit well with Bradley.
Evans is in a restricted contract year, which i presume the Cs see as a plus. If the Kings would be dumb enough to take Green for him -- especially if we would take Outlaw or some other light luggage from them -- I think it's a no-brainer.
Looking down the road a bit, if Evans did pan out and improve, the Cs have more options around trading Rondo -- their most valuable asset.
More importantly, Cs management want to win a ring this year. I expect them to be bold and take some chances considering the slim chances they have as currently constituted. That includes buying low on established talent where they can.
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I do wonder - how much of this is based on how badly Danny wanted Tyreke before the 09 draft versus any current interest.
My guess is "a lot"
It's all based on that. Ford calls them a team to watch out for based on his knowledge of draft interest -- where Ford focuses, and the clear divide amongst pundits (including his doubt) about Evans ability to improve.
That said, does anyone really doubt that Ainge is kicking tires on Evans, when he does so on virtually any and every player? He's famous for it...
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
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not related to Cs but i can see some type of jennings, Evans trade going down by the deadline. A Evans and Monta Ellis back court would be interesting.
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wouldnt trade Rondo for no one right now on that Sac roster..maybe sac are getting tired of Cousins..maybe package a deal that doesnt involve Rondo..I think Sac would bite
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Chad Ford:
Boston likes (Tyreke Evans). Not sure they have the assets to acquire him. Once upon a time they were willing to give up Rondo to draft him, but those days are over. I'm not sure he's a future all-star. Never learned how to shoot, play defense or play with others. Physical talents are all there, but physical talents alone don't get you into All-Star games.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083 (http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6182083)
ALL DAY!!
Not bad, I'd do it. Only caveat is I think Sac would want Jeff Green (another young player) instead of 35 year old Terry.
It's actually not that ridiculous of a trade, but I do agree that Jeff Green would probably have to be in there, which I would be okay with, since we get Salmons back in the trade. I am also happy to keep Terry as the sixth man.
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Chad Ford:
Boston likes (Tyreke Evans). Not sure they have the assets to acquire him. Once upon a time they were willing to give up Rondo to draft him, but those days are over. I'm not sure he's a future all-star. Never learned how to shoot, play defense or play with others. Physical talents are all there, but physical talents alone don't get you into All-Star games.
I think good coaching and a better environment would do him wonders.
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Would you give up a completely unprotected first round pick a couple of years from now in the trade?
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Would you give up a completely unprotected first round pick a couple of years from now in the trade?
If we are completely blowing it up this year, yes I would give up a first 2-3 years from now.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
4 team trade?
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
Well that certainly woulda been an interesting deal...
Conley Jr.
Allen
Pierce
KG
Perk
With Evans and Gay as 6th and 7th men? Like, Zoinks Scoob.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
There were a ton of rumors. That definitely was floating out there. But the way I remember it was that Danny was offering Perk for a top 5 pick, to target Tyreke. But, the other teams were asking for Rondo.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
A deal centered around Rondo for Conley + Gay.... Salary matching aside, I don't think I'd turn that down. That's a toughie.
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This isn't a rumor, this is speculation based on a 3 or 4 year old rumor.
I wonder if the Kings fans are all excited at the rumor that "Ainge willing to move Rondo for Evans"? (it was that same rumor we are talking about)
Actually, I think the rumor was that Danny was offering Perkins for Evans...but it got twisted into Rondo for Evans, because Rondo was also being shopped at that time.
You know what that means!!!!
Three team trade!!!!!
Thought it dated back to Tyreke's draft when Danny was offered Rudy, Conley Jr. Memphis #2 overall for Rondo and a couple Celtics picks. Maybe Perk was involved. I don't remember.
A deal centered around Rondo for Conley + Gay.... Salary matching aside, I don't think I'd turn that down. That's a toughie.
Conley for Gay is too much to ask for. Memphis might think about Rondo and Green, but they have a really good thing going right now and I can't seem them wanting to mess that up.
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Found this interesting
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/network/network-article.aspx?articleid=756775
Personally, I like Evans as I think he's a great shooter. With how inconsistent Terry, Lee and Green have been, this wouldn't be a bad move
Why do people keep sayaing this?
Outside of Piece and KG, Jason Terry has been our most consistent offensive player.
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Found this interesting
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/network/network-article.aspx?articleid=756775
Personally, I like Evans as I think he's a great shooter. With how inconsistent Terry, Lee and Green have been, this wouldn't be a bad move
Why do people keep sayaing this?
Outside of Piece and KG, Jason Terry has been our most consistent offensive player.
Bad night to be making that comment. ;)
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Worrst loss of the year in my opinion. Absolutely should not have lost this game.
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but but but
tyreeke it isnt what we need
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but but but
tyreeke it isnt what we need
True...!!!! We need BIG, TUFF , ACTIVE , Center who can play with ENERGY and MAKE SOMETHIGN GOOD HAPPEN in the paint be it score a bucket or protect the rim.
Stone me...I really don't care if we keep ----- I'd trade him in NY sec for a serious center.
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If we blow it up......
trade bradley, melo, future protected 1st for evans?
After the giant mushroom cloud and other trades(pierce, kg)
Rondo
Evans
Green
Sully
Wilcox?
Have a losing year, lotto pick-draft well, add the rookie to that.
Could be worse.
We know what Rondo can do, 23 yr old Evans who has a better situation than Sac, Green is well....Green, Sully who could be a boozer-millsap type, and maybe draft a big for the center spot.
I don't know, how much worse can it really get anyways, the Bucks own us. :(
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Cousins would be great to get. Not sure about Evans.