Would a pass-first playmaking point guard off the Bench help?

[CelticsElite]

What do you think? Would a playmaking passing ball handler of the bench help instead of having rozier be the PG?

I like wannamaker but referring to someone more talented with quicker speed and better vision.

Wonder if there will be any available help point guard veterans getting bought out near trade deadline

[ozgod]

What do you think? Would a playmaking passing ball handler of the bench help instead of having rozier be the PG?

I like wannamaker but referring to someone more talented with quicker speed and better vision.

Wonder if there will be any available help point guard veterans getting bought out near trade deadline

I thought that's what Gordon was supposed to be for us but I feel he's initiating even less of the play than Rozier is.

[gouki88]

What do you think? Would a playmaking passing ball handler of the bench help instead of having rozier be the PG?

I like wannamaker but referring to someone more talented with quicker speed and better vision.

Wonder if there will be any available help point guard veterans getting bought out near trade deadline

I thought that's what Gordon was supposed to be for us but I feel he's initiating even less of the play than Rozier is.

I think that’s more due to the fact that CBS insists on giving Rozier the ball to initiate despite all the evidence that he’s trash.

[GreenFaith1819]

I don't know but I bet a tactical Nuke would - especially IF this team can't get it together.

[jambr380]

Could there have been a worse start to the game for Rozier tonight? TO, blown coverage on a 3, TO. I have been a Rozier fan, but would much prefer Rondo leading the 2nd unit right now over him.

This team blows right now and I am not sure what else they can really do to improve other than hit more shots. They are supposed to be more talented than other teams, but that is certainly not obvious to all of us.

[RockinRyA]

We need to clone Marcus Smart. 1 to start, another to come off the bench.

[GreenEnvy]

Could there have been a worse start to the game for Rozier tonight? TO, blown coverage on a 3, TO. I have been a Rozier fan, but would much prefer Rondo leading the 2nd unit right now over him.

This team blows right now and I am not sure what else they can really do to improve other than hit more shots. They are supposed to be more talented than other teams, but that is certainly not obvious to all of us.

I guess he could have fouled Russell on the 3 and then got T’d up. But other than that, no.

There are so many problems right now with everyone’s role, I really think only Smart and Morris are happy.

Horford looks like he’s going through the motions, Hayward doesn’t care what happens on or off the court, Rozier wants to be traded, Tatum wants 20 shots a game, Kyrie wants 30 (and an 85% usage rate), and Brown just wants to go back to college.

[RockinRyA]

Could there have been a worse start to the game for Rozier tonight? TO, blown coverage on a 3, TO. I have been a Rozier fan, but would much prefer Rondo leading the 2nd unit right now over him.

This team blows right now and I am not sure what else they can really do to improve other than hit more shots. They are supposed to be more talented than other teams, but that is certainly not obvious to all of us.

I guess he could have fouled Russell on the 3 and then got T’d up. But other than that, no.

There are so many problems right now with everyone’s role, I really think only Smart and Morris are happy.

Horford looks like he’s going through the motions, Hayward doesn’t care what happens on or off the court, Rozier wants to be traded, Tatum wants 20 shots a game, Kyrie wants 30 (and an 85% usage rate), and Brown just wants to go back to college.

A lot of these are crap.

Horford isn't 100% and is on a time restriction even with his primary backup injured.
Hayward still isn't there yet, tentative and looks like too concerned with how his teammates feel about him taking more shots and not playing well.
Rozier wants more PT and more chance to show off for a new contract.
Kyrie just wants to win and it looks like their performance is starting to concern him.
Brown is inconsistent, but mostly has played better recently, although he still has some lapses.

[GreenEnvy]

Could there have been a worse start to the game for Rozier tonight? TO, blown coverage on a 3, TO. I have been a Rozier fan, but would much prefer Rondo leading the 2nd unit right now over him.

This team blows right now and I am not sure what else they can really do to improve other than hit more shots. They are supposed to be more talented than other teams, but that is certainly not obvious to all of us.

I guess he could have fouled Russell on the 3 and then got T’d up. But other than that, no.

There are so many problems right now with everyone’s role, I really think only Smart and Morris are happy.

Horford looks like he’s going through the motions, Hayward doesn’t care what happens on or off the court, Rozier wants to be traded, Tatum wants 20 shots a game, Kyrie wants 30 (and an 85% usage rate), and Brown just wants to go back to college.

A lot of these are crap.

Horford isn't 100% and is on a time restriction even with his primary backup injured.
Hayward still isn't there yet, tentative and looks like too concerned with how his teammates feel about him taking more shots and not playing well.
Rozier wants more PT and more chance to show off for a new contract.
Kyrie just wants to win and it looks like their performance is starting to concern him.
Brown is inconsistent, but mostly has played better recently, although he still has some lapses.

Nothing you’ve said contradicts what I said. You’re just sugar-coating it and making excuses for everyone when I’ve finally reached the point where I’m gonna stop doing that. It’s too far into the season to justify this poor play.

Horford has been crap most of the season.

Hayward has again stopped driving with intent, now it’s just to kick. He stands in a corner now and eases up on defense more and more often.

If you think Rozier wouldn’t welcome a trade, you’re in denial.

Tatum would take 82 games of him scoring 34 in blowout losses than 13 on 9 shots in wins.

Kyrie wants to be the leader, but he just wants others to play better around him without actually leading. Then seemingly show up his teammate and coach and then call other teammates out in the media with lies (Cavs always played hard?!? I guess he was excluding himself, LeBron, and JR, amongst others). Here’s his chance to step up and be the leader he aspires to be.

And Brown certainly hasn’t taken the leap a guy of his talent, athleticism, and intelligence should. Instead he’s been relegated to the bench and clearly not fitting in with some of the other personalities in this team.


Of course if they come out and beat Toronto, nobody will care all that much about the absolute dud in Brooklyn. But if they smoke us at home, the problem is very real with the psyche of this team. We need to show up for this one. No coming out flat or giving up 44 in the third. This game is now more important than it should’ve been.

[10610786d]

Could there have been a worse start to the game for Rozier tonight? TO, blown coverage on a 3, TO. I have been a Rozier fan, but would much prefer Rondo leading the 2nd unit right now over him.

This team blows right now and I am not sure what else they can really do to improve other than hit more shots. They are supposed to be more talented than other teams, but that is certainly not obvious to all of us.

I guess he could have fouled Russell on the 3 and then got T’d up. But other than that, no.

There are so many problems right now with everyone’s role, I really think only Smart and Morris are happy.

Horford looks like he’s going through the motions, Hayward doesn’t care what happens on or off the court, Rozier wants to be traded, Tatum wants 20 shots a game, Kyrie wants 30 (and an 85% usage rate), and Brown just wants to go back to college.

A lot of these are crap.

Horford isn't 100% and is on a time restriction even with his primary backup injured.
Hayward still isn't there yet, tentative and looks like too concerned with how his teammates feel about him taking more shots and not playing well.
Rozier wants more PT and more chance to show off for a new contract.
Kyrie just wants to win and it looks like their performance is starting to concern him.
Brown is inconsistent, but mostly has played better recently, although he still has some lapses.

Nothing you’ve said contradicts what I said. You’re just sugar-coating it and making excuses for everyone when I’ve finally reached the point where I’m gonna stop doing that. It’s too far into the season to justify this poor play.

Horford has been crap most of the season.

Hayward has again stopped driving with intent, now it’s just to kick. He stands in a corner now and eases up on defense more and more often.

If you think Rozier wouldn’t welcome a trade, you’re in denial.

Tatum would take 82 games of him scoring 34 in blowout losses than 13 on 9 shots in wins.

Kyrie wants to be the leader, but he just wants others to play better around him without actually leading. Then seemingly show up his teammate and coach and then call other teammates out in the media with lies (Cavs always played hard?!? I guess he was excluding himself, LeBron, and JR, amongst others). Here’s his chance to step up and be the leader he aspires to be.

And Brown certainly hasn’t taken the leap a guy of his talent, athleticism, and intelligence should. Instead he’s been relegated to the bench and clearly not fitting in with some of the other personalities in this team.


Of course if they come out and beat Toronto, nobody will care all that much about the absolute dud in Brooklyn. But if they smoke us at home, the problem is very real with the psyche of this team. We need to show up for this one. No coming out flat or giving up 44 in the third. This game is now more important than it should’ve been.

Meh, everyone knows the season only really starts after the trade deadline.

The struggles still really really sucks, but let's just see what happens.

[Roy H.]

We just needs somebody who blends in back there, who isn’t out to get his.

I would be thrilled with a 3 and D backup.

[gouki88]

We just needs somebody who blends in back there, who isn’t out to get his.

I would be thrilled with a 3 and D backup.

A George Hill kinda guy would be excellent IMO

[slamtheking]

We just needs somebody who blends in back there, who isn’t out to get his.

I would be thrilled with a 3 and D backup.

A George Hill kinda guy would be excellent IMO

Hill wouldn't suck but I agree that the second unit needs some modification where Hayward can focus on being more of a scorer than facilitator.   Rozier isn't fitting in with that unit because he's no facilitator (never has been) which puts more offensive burden on Hayward and cannot get Brown untracked with his offense.  Rozier, until last night, seems to fit better with the starters because he's basically inserted into a PG role where the PG is a primary scoring option.

I'm coming around to trading Rozier by the deadline to get a PG that can run an offense, play D and hit outside shots to keep the opposing defense honest.  Preferably someone better than Rozier if one is available and costs us an additional asset like Yabu, Semi or a late first draft pick.  didn't like the idea of breaking team chemistry and the impact in the lockerroom but now feeling that's less of a concern at this point.

[knuckleballer]

We need to clone Marcus Smart. 1 to start, another to come off the bench.

As Eddie20 suggested in another thread, Patrick Beverley.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.  Great defender, an instigator, better passer than Rozier, and veteran who would know his role.  Rozier and Bird gets it done from a salary stand point.