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Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2018, 12:54:14 PM »

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The Sixers have something like 17 guys signed or verbally agreeing to guaranteed contracts right now:

Embiid
Chandler
Covington
Bayless
Simmons
Fultz
Saric
Z. Smith
Anderson
Luwawu
Korkmaz
Shamet
Holmes
Redick
McConnell
Johnson
Bjelica

Who gets cut? Or, is the team setting up for a trade?

I have no idea what the roster will look like but Philly still seems like a mess to me.  The rumor was that they would not include Fultz in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.  That makes no sense to me.  Yet they get all the love as an up an coming contender.

Is Philly better than Milwaukee?  Not based on how they played in the playoffs against Boston.  And the Bucks added Lopez.  Why all the buzz about Philly and not Milwaukee?  I think I know the answer but I am still surprised.
Philly is better than Milwaukee.  They finished ahead of them last year by a decent amount and they have more young high end talent that is further from their peak (so should improve more rapidly).  And since when is adding Lopez a good thing.  He certainly is not better than Wilson Chandler who Philly added

This is probably true, but the bucks were probably the worst coached team that made the playoffs last year (perhaps tied with cavs). The fact they went to 7 with Boston was a testament to their raw talent
I think that is mostly because Giannis is a terrible match-up for Boston.  He is also the best player in the East now that James has left.  Talent, especially in a series, can do wonders.

But talent somehow doesn't do wonders during the regular season or in the playoffs this coming season?  I don't follow your logic on this.  Milwaukee is a team with a lot of talent, including possibly the best player in the east.  But Philly gets tons of buzz and Milwaukee gets none.

I predict people will be surprised both by how good Milwaukee is and how not so good Philly is.  Now if Philly gets Kawhi without having to give up their whole them then everything changes but as it stands now, I think Philly is getting way over-hyped.

Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2018, 01:02:11 PM »

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The Sixers have something like 17 guys signed or verbally agreeing to guaranteed contracts right now:

Embiid
Chandler
Covington
Bayless
Simmons
Fultz
Saric
Z. Smith
Anderson
Luwawu
Korkmaz
Shamet
Holmes
Redick
McConnell
Johnson
Bjelica

Who gets cut? Or, is the team setting up for a trade?

I have no idea what the roster will look like but Philly still seems like a mess to me.  The rumor was that they would not include Fultz in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.  That makes no sense to me.  Yet they get all the love as an up an coming contender.

Is Philly better than Milwaukee?  Not based on how they played in the playoffs against Boston.  And the Bucks added Lopez.  Why all the buzz about Philly and not Milwaukee?  I think I know the answer but I am still surprised.
Philly is better than Milwaukee.  They finished ahead of them last year by a decent amount and they have more young high end talent that is further from their peak (so should improve more rapidly).  And since when is adding Lopez a good thing.  He certainly is not better than Wilson Chandler who Philly added

This is probably true, but the bucks were probably the worst coached team that made the playoffs last year (perhaps tied with cavs). The fact they went to 7 with Boston was a testament to their raw talent
I think that is mostly because Giannis is a terrible match-up for Boston.  He is also the best player in the East now that James has left.  Talent, especially in a series, can do wonders.

But talent somehow doesn't do wonders during the regular season or in the playoffs this coming season?  I don't follow your logic on this.  Milwaukee is a team with a lot of talent, including possibly the best player in the east.  But Philly gets tons of buzz and Milwaukee gets none.

I predict people will be surprised both by how good Milwaukee is and how not so good Philly is.  Now if Philly gets Kawhi without having to give up their whole them then everything changes but as it stands now, I think Philly is getting way over-hyped.
It is hard for top end talent to play hard all season long, especially when they aren't surrounded with lots of other talent, but in the playoffs when you give it 100% and play extended minutes, it shines through more times than not.  That is why Lebron can take a team to the playoffs 8 straight years despite being on rosters that weren't that deep (some of those years). 

Giannis is the best player in the East it is true, but Philly has arguably the 2nd best player in the East and has another player that is likely in the top 10, as well as a very deep well constructed roster with a significant number of high level role players.  They are well coached as well. 

Philly will easily surpass 50 wins this year if they stay healthy.  Milwaukee may or may not. 
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Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2018, 01:51:44 PM »

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Two things that I wasn't buying going into this offseason regarding Philadelphia:

1. LeBron and George signing as free agents. This made no sense to me. Why would either star player want to go to the 76ers, who already have two basically rookie star players of their own. The identity of the 76ers is "The Process", and the players who fit that definition are Simmons and Embiid (and possibly Fultz). I couldn't see star players either sharing the spotlight or playing second fiddle to such young players. Also, both LeBron and George know you can't win a title with young players, and especially on a team that lacks playoff experience.

2. Trading for Kawhi Leonard. Unless I'm missing something, the 76ers no longer have desirable draft picks in the near future. Reports are they will not include Fultz in a trade either. So what does Philly have to offer that would entice the Spurs to trade them Kawhi? BTW, why would the Spurs even want Fultz if he was even on the table? So far he has shown nothing but being a bust that will be making $8.3M in '18, $9.7M in '19, $12.3M in '20, and a qualifying offer of $16M in '21.

Just for laughs, ESPN has an article today on predicting the East next season: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24009553/5-5-experts-debate-state-eastern-conference-post-lebron-james-world-nba

Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »

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The Sixers have something like 17 guys signed or verbally agreeing to guaranteed contracts right now:

Embiid
Chandler
Covington
Bayless
Simmons
Fultz
Saric
Z. Smith
Anderson
Luwawu
Korkmaz
Shamet
Holmes
Redick
McConnell
Johnson
Bjelica

Who gets cut? Or, is the team setting up for a trade?
They also have Bolden who was drafted and stashed last season but rumors were that he'd be with the team this season as well as Shake Milton their 2nd round pick this season.  Regarding McConnell and Holmes, their options were picked up but they don't become guaranteed until January. 

At this point, I think the Sixers are keeping their options open.  There is a lot of 1 year salary they could use for matching.  They don't need to get down to 15 plus 2 2-way contracts until October.  Assuming they don't make a trade Bayless certainly gets cut.  After that I think it is between Holmes, Anderson and Luwawu.  I'd lean toward Holmes or Anderson since they are in their last year and Luwawu has 2 years left on his contract.


Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2018, 07:01:30 PM »

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The Sixers have something like 17 guys signed or verbally agreeing to guaranteed contracts right now:

Embiid
Chandler
Covington
Bayless
Simmons
Fultz
Saric
Z. Smith
Anderson
Luwawu
Korkmaz
Shamet
Holmes
Redick
McConnell
Johnson
Bjelica

Who gets cut? Or, is the team setting up for a trade?

I have no idea what the roster will look like but Philly still seems like a mess to me.  The rumor was that they would not include Fultz in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.  That makes no sense to me.  Yet they get all the love as an up an coming contender.

Is Philly better than Milwaukee?  Not based on how they played in the playoffs against Boston.  And the Bucks added Lopez.  Why all the buzz about Philly and not Milwaukee?  I think I know the answer but I am still surprised.
Philly is better than Milwaukee.  They finished ahead of them last year by a decent amount and they have more young high end talent that is further from their peak (so should improve more rapidly).  And since when is adding Lopez a good thing.  He certainly is not better than Wilson Chandler who Philly added

This is probably true, but the bucks were probably the worst coached team that made the playoffs last year (perhaps tied with cavs). The fact they went to 7 with Boston was a testament to their raw talent
I think that is mostly because Giannis is a terrible match-up for Boston.  He is also the best player in the East now that James has left.  Talent, especially in a series, can do wonders.

But talent somehow doesn't do wonders during the regular season or in the playoffs this coming season?  I don't follow your logic on this.  Milwaukee is a team with a lot of talent, including possibly the best player in the east.  But Philly gets tons of buzz and Milwaukee gets none.

I predict people will be surprised both by how good Milwaukee is and how not so good Philly is.  Now if Philly gets Kawhi without having to give up their whole them then everything changes but as it stands now, I think Philly is getting way over-hyped.
It is hard for top end talent to play hard all season long, especially when they aren't surrounded with lots of other talent, but in the playoffs when you give it 100% and play extended minutes, it shines through more times than not.  That is why Lebron can take a team to the playoffs 8 straight years despite being on rosters that weren't that deep (some of those years). 

Giannis is the best player in the East it is true, but Philly has arguably the 2nd best player in the East and has another player that is likely in the top 10, as well as a very deep well constructed roster with a significant number of high level role players.  They are well coached as well. 

Philly will easily surpass 50 wins this year if they stay healthy.  Milwaukee may or may not.

which guys would you put Simmons ahead on this list?

Giannis
Irving
Embiid
Wall
Kevin Love
Derozen
Oladipo
Porzingas
Beal
Walker
Hayward (if healthy)

Possibly tied for time being: Tatum, Horford, Lowry

Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2018, 08:18:33 PM »

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The Sixers have something like 17 guys signed or verbally agreeing to guaranteed contracts right now:

Embiid
Chandler
Covington
Bayless
Simmons
Fultz
Saric
Z. Smith
Anderson
Luwawu
Korkmaz
Shamet
Holmes
Redick
McConnell
Johnson
Bjelica

Who gets cut? Or, is the team setting up for a trade?

I have no idea what the roster will look like but Philly still seems like a mess to me.  The rumor was that they would not include Fultz in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.  That makes no sense to me.  Yet they get all the love as an up an coming contender.

Is Philly better than Milwaukee?  Not based on how they played in the playoffs against Boston.  And the Bucks added Lopez.  Why all the buzz about Philly and not Milwaukee?  I think I know the answer but I am still surprised.
Philly is better than Milwaukee.  They finished ahead of them last year by a decent amount and they have more young high end talent that is further from their peak (so should improve more rapidly).  And since when is adding Lopez a good thing.  He certainly is not better than Wilson Chandler who Philly added

This is probably true, but the bucks were probably the worst coached team that made the playoffs last year (perhaps tied with cavs). The fact they went to 7 with Boston was a testament to their raw talent
I think that is mostly because Giannis is a terrible match-up for Boston.  He is also the best player in the East now that James has left.  Talent, especially in a series, can do wonders.

But talent somehow doesn't do wonders during the regular season or in the playoffs this coming season?  I don't follow your logic on this.  Milwaukee is a team with a lot of talent, including possibly the best player in the east.  But Philly gets tons of buzz and Milwaukee gets none.

I predict people will be surprised both by how good Milwaukee is and how not so good Philly is.  Now if Philly gets Kawhi without having to give up their whole them then everything changes but as it stands now, I think Philly is getting way over-hyped.
It is hard for top end talent to play hard all season long, especially when they aren't surrounded with lots of other talent, but in the playoffs when you give it 100% and play extended minutes, it shines through more times than not.  That is why Lebron can take a team to the playoffs 8 straight years despite being on rosters that weren't that deep (some of those years). 

Giannis is the best player in the East it is true, but Philly has arguably the 2nd best player in the East and has another player that is likely in the top 10, as well as a very deep well constructed roster with a significant number of high level role players.  They are well coached as well. 

Philly will easily surpass 50 wins this year if they stay healthy.  Milwaukee may or may not.

which guys would you put Simmons ahead on this list?

Giannis
Irving
Embiid
Wall
Kevin Love
Derozen
Oladipo
Porzingas
Beal
Walker
Hayward (if healthy)

Possibly tied for time being: Tatum, Horford, Lowry
I'd consider putting Simmons ahead of Walker, Love and Porzingas.  I'd also consider putting Horford ahead of them.  I'd put Giannis, Embiid and Irving well ahead of Simmons but I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons jumps ahead of any of the rest of them this season. 

Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2018, 12:19:53 AM »

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Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
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Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 01:02:31 AM »

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They felt they were close on Lebron http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24052143/philadelphia-76ers-say-lebron-james-strongly-considered-sixers

I’m sure they did.   ::)

Didn't Lebron announce his decision like 30 minutes after his team met with them

Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 11:26:15 AM »

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There was talk they were going to buy Bayless out, though I guess they don't need cap room any more so maybe not.  And no real reason they need both Anderson and Korkmaz.  So if they don't trade 2 of those 3 will be gone.

They have to clear two roster spots; Bayless is the obvious weak link.

On the whole I'd take Anderson over Korkmaz (more rounded game, better body, better finisher, and especially takes better care of the ball); however, the one that I'd question before those two would be Luwawu-Cabarrot.
Luwawu-Cabarrot performed better than both Korkmaz and Anderson.  I think he is a better long term fit as well, but who knows it isn't like any of them aren't easily replaceable.

I’m surprised. In particular I can’t see how you could compare the “performance” of Korkmaz with anyone, given how few and how irregular his minutes were; and he’s two years younger. But he looks like he could emerge as a 3pt specialist, at least, while Luwawu doesn’t yet have anything that he can hang his hat on.

Anderson is two years older, and that’s a big difference at that age. So I’d grant you that. On the other hand you were saying that Luwawu performed better, which puzzles me. I’d say that Anderson is a more physical and more versatile defender, and a much better finisher. He takes better care of the ball, too, though that’s partly because he’s not great at sharing it.

Anyways I’d be glad to know your scouting report on these guys, and why you prefer Luwawu.
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Re: What’s Philly’s roster plan?
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2018, 11:45:00 AM »

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There was talk they were going to buy Bayless out, though I guess they don't need cap room any more so maybe not.  And no real reason they need both Anderson and Korkmaz.  So if they don't trade 2 of those 3 will be gone.

They have to clear two roster spots; Bayless is the obvious weak link.

On the whole I'd take Anderson over Korkmaz (more rounded game, better body, better finisher, and especially takes better care of the ball); however, the one that I'd question before those two would be Luwawu-Cabarrot.
Luwawu-Cabarrot performed better than both Korkmaz and Anderson.  I think he is a better long term fit as well, but who knows it isn't like any of them aren't easily replaceable.

I’m surprised. In particular I can’t see how you could compare the “performance” of Korkmaz with anyone, given how few and how irregular his minutes were; and he’s two years younger. But he looks like he could emerge as a 3pt specialist, at least, while Luwawu doesn’t yet have anything that he can hang his hat on.

Anderson is two years older, and that’s a big difference at that age. So I’d grant you that. On the other hand you were saying that Luwawu performed better, which puzzles me. I’d say that Anderson is a more physical and more versatile defender, and a much better finisher. He takes better care of the ball, too, though that’s partly because he’s not great at sharing it.

Anyways I’d be glad to know your scouting report on these guys, and why you prefer Luwawu.
Korkmaz shot terribly, not sure why anyone would think he could emerge as a 3 PT Specialist.  He shot pretty well in a second rate league in Europe, but has shown none of that thus far.  Luwawu-Cabarrot however shot pretty well in a much better league and just performed better overall in Europe.  He has earned far more playing time for the Sixers, in a large part because he is a more gifted athlete. 

I just don't think Anderson has any sort of real potential aside from a deep bench player, while I think Luwawu-Cabarrot could be a rotation level player as a result of both his athleticism and his younger age.  Korkmaz if he can physically handle the league, could maybe one day be a specialist.  Of the 3 though, I would have the most confidence in Luwawu-Cabarrot having the best career (which of course means he will be cut and never heard from again). 
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