Poll: Does Tacko make the 15 man roster this year

[mmmmm]

Am I the only one who's at the point where I'm screaming in my mind at Danny, shouting, "Just sign him to a roster spot, NOW!!!!!!!!"

Yes, he did get pushed around a bit in the first half, but he more than made up for it in the second. Come on Danny, sign him!

Danny's made his living as a gambler. This is one bet, that even if it doesn't pan out, the team and himself will still be considered a winner. Just do it!

This needs to be explained every couple of pages apparently: He is already signed. If the Celtics want to keep Tacko, all they have to choose to do is not cut him.  That’s it, and he’ll be on the team all year.  He was signed before summer league.

If Tacko wins a job in training camp, and there are currently only 14 guaranteed contracts on the roster, then he’s a Celtic.  If he can’t win the job at training camp, then that’s a bummer, but he’s going to get his shot.

But there’s no need to exhort Danny to sign Tacko.  That literally already happened weeks ago, before this thread was even created.

Is the longest possible deal for him by converting the exhibit 10 contract a two year deal?

As far as I know, he’s on a one-year minimum deal with an Exhibit 10.  Exhibit 10 would allow him to be converted to a two-way contract, it would not change the length of his deal.  If he’s converted to a 2-way contract, he can then be converted back to an NBA contract, but it again wouldn’t add any time to his deal.

Here’s the relevant text from the CBA on converting two-ways:

Team exercises the Standard NBA Contract Conversion Option, the Base Compensation amount set forth above in this Exhibit 1B will immediately become null and void and of no further force or effect, Player’s Compensation shall be equal to the Player’s applicable Minimum Player Salary for a term equal to the remainder of the original term of this Contract beginning on the date such option is exercised, and all other terms and conditions of this Contract, including the Base Compensation protection set forth in Exhibit 2 (if any), shall remain applicable.”

From what I can tell, an 'Exhibit 10' is essentially a completely non-guaranteed minimum contract that simply has the added "if waived" bonus eligibility if the player then spends time in the G-League affiliate.

The Celtics can waive it and sign him to a new contract at any point.   So they could terminate this current deal and re-sign him to either a 2-way or to a standard 2-year minimum contract deal.

[Fafnir]

When 80 summer league minutes is given more credence than playoff minutes.

The off season is truly the most wonderful time of the year.

[boscel33]

one difference i've noticed between Tacko and other super tall NBA players, is that he seems to have a little bulk.  Manute was about 200 pounds where Tacko is listed at 311.  That's a huge difference, I mean, look at this image (believe from last nights game), he has a little bulk!

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/resizer/7hWkzjfcXqavGlPFg2KAF5BHM48=/415x313/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/G5E3WU7BMFEOBGH6JZCBLBQFWU.JPG

[saltlover]

Am I the only one who's at the point where I'm screaming in my mind at Danny, shouting, "Just sign him to a roster spot, NOW!!!!!!!!"

Yes, he did get pushed around a bit in the first half, but he more than made up for it in the second. Come on Danny, sign him!

Danny's made his living as a gambler. This is one bet, that even if it doesn't pan out, the team and himself will still be considered a winner. Just do it!

This needs to be explained every couple of pages apparently: He is already signed. If the Celtics want to keep Tacko, all they have to choose to do is not cut him.  That’s it, and he’ll be on the team all year.  He was signed before summer league.

If Tacko wins a job in training camp, and there are currently only 14 guaranteed contracts on the roster, then he’s a Celtic.  If he can’t win the job at training camp, then that’s a bummer, but he’s going to get his shot.

But there’s no need to exhort Danny to sign Tacko.  That literally already happened weeks ago, before this thread was even created.

Is the longest possible deal for him by converting the exhibit 10 contract a two year deal?

As far as I know, he’s on a one-year minimum deal with an Exhibit 10.  Exhibit 10 would allow him to be converted to a two-way contract, it would not change the length of his deal.  If he’s converted to a 2-way contract, he can then be converted back to an NBA contract, but it again wouldn’t add any time to his deal.

Here’s the relevant text from the CBA on converting two-ways:

Team exercises the Standard NBA Contract Conversion Option, the Base Compensation amount set forth above in this Exhibit 1B will immediately become null and void and of no further force or effect, Player’s Compensation shall be equal to the Player’s applicable Minimum Player Salary for a term equal to the remainder of the original term of this Contract beginning on the date such option is exercised, and all other terms and conditions of this Contract, including the Base Compensation protection set forth in Exhibit 2 (if any), shall remain applicable.”

From what I can tell, an 'Exhibit 10' is essentially a completely non-guaranteed minimum contract that simply has the added "if waived" bonus eligibility if the player then spends time in the G-League affiliate.

The Celtics can waive it and sign him to a new contract at any point.   So they could terminate this current deal and re-sign him to either a 2-way or to a standard 2-year minimum contract deal.

Yes, I’ve said that earlier in the thread.  But then he is exposed to waivers and another team could claim him (and probably would, since it’s an Exhibit 10 contract and has no risk associated with it).  Fans of Tacko on this board should just hope he is converted to a 2-way or makes the 15.  Then he’d be a restricted free agent next summer, and the C’s would have  a year of information to know whether he is worth continued investment.

[mmmmm]

Am I the only one who's at the point where I'm screaming in my mind at Danny, shouting, "Just sign him to a roster spot, NOW!!!!!!!!"

Yes, he did get pushed around a bit in the first half, but he more than made up for it in the second. Come on Danny, sign him!

Danny's made his living as a gambler. This is one bet, that even if it doesn't pan out, the team and himself will still be considered a winner. Just do it!

This needs to be explained every couple of pages apparently: He is already signed. If the Celtics want to keep Tacko, all they have to choose to do is not cut him.  That’s it, and he’ll be on the team all year.  He was signed before summer league.

If Tacko wins a job in training camp, and there are currently only 14 guaranteed contracts on the roster, then he’s a Celtic.  If he can’t win the job at training camp, then that’s a bummer, but he’s going to get his shot.

But there’s no need to exhort Danny to sign Tacko.  That literally already happened weeks ago, before this thread was even created.

Is the longest possible deal for him by converting the exhibit 10 contract a two year deal?

As far as I know, he’s on a one-year minimum deal with an Exhibit 10.  Exhibit 10 would allow him to be converted to a two-way contract, it would not change the length of his deal.  If he’s converted to a 2-way contract, he can then be converted back to an NBA contract, but it again wouldn’t add any time to his deal.

Here’s the relevant text from the CBA on converting two-ways:

Team exercises the Standard NBA Contract Conversion Option, the Base Compensation amount set forth above in this Exhibit 1B will immediately become null and void and of no further force or effect, Player’s Compensation shall be equal to the Player’s applicable Minimum Player Salary for a term equal to the remainder of the original term of this Contract beginning on the date such option is exercised, and all other terms and conditions of this Contract, including the Base Compensation protection set forth in Exhibit 2 (if any), shall remain applicable.”

From what I can tell, an 'Exhibit 10' is essentially a completely non-guaranteed minimum contract that simply has the added "if waived" bonus eligibility if the player then spends time in the G-League affiliate.

The Celtics can waive it and sign him to a new contract at any point.   So they could terminate this current deal and re-sign him to either a 2-way or to a standard 2-year minimum contract deal.

Yes, I’ve said that earlier in the thread.  But then he is exposed to waivers and another team could claim him (and probably would, since it’s an Exhibit 10 contract and has no risk associated with it).  Fans of Tacko on this board should just hope he is converted to a 2-way or makes the 15.  Then he’d be a restricted free agent next summer, and the C’s would have  a year of information to know whether he is worth continued investment.

Yeah,  (assuming he proves worth keeping control of) signing him next summer to a 2+1 deal is probably the best route.

All they have to do if they want to keep him is just leave him on the current contract until then.   It will vest in mid January anyway.   The only reason to convert him to a Two-Way is if they decided they want to give the full contract to someone else, i.e., Waters.

Personally, I was thinking they should have stashed Waters for the year and put Tacko on the Two-Way.   That would have left that 15th slot for either keeping Yabusele or replacing him with someone else.  But that ship sailed when they put Waters & Strus on the Two-Way deals.

[Excapegoat]

I noticed him when he was a HS novelty on youtube.  I did not see him again until the NCAA Tournament against Duke.  I was very thankful that he joined us in the Summer League. 

Do I want him to make the roster? Probably, yes.  But at the same time, NBA has moved away from his type of a player.  If he was born 20 years earlier, he would have been a 1st rounder.  He will get minutes in the NBA, but I don't know how far he could go.  Seriously, part of me is telling me that NBA still needs Tacko Fall and he will bring back the old school basketball.  I really don't know enough about the evolution of the game.

[Roy H.]

[ChillyWilly]

I like Tacko definitely think there is a place in the NBA for him.

However he's listed at 23 will be 24 a few months into the season. He's also from an area birth records aren't exactly (what's the word I'm looking for here?)

Even if his age is legit how long before he understands and can be consistent in an NBA game? Can be a team be patient enough to left him learn the league until he's in his late 20s?

What age will a body of that size start breaking down? Will that happen around the time he's capable of being a rotation player?

I think Tacko comes with some extra boxes to check off.

[BitterJim]

Am I the only one who's at the point where I'm screaming in my mind at Danny, shouting, "Just sign him to a roster spot, NOW!!!!!!!!"

Yes, he did get pushed around a bit in the first half, but he more than made up for it in the second. Come on Danny, sign him!

Danny's made his living as a gambler. This is one bet, that even if it doesn't pan out, the team and himself will still be considered a winner. Just do it!

This needs to be explained every couple of pages apparently: He is already signed. If the Celtics want to keep Tacko, all they have to choose to do is not cut him.  That’s it, and he’ll be on the team all year.  He was signed before summer league.

If Tacko wins a job in training camp, and there are currently only 14 guaranteed contracts on the roster, then he’s a Celtic.  If he can’t win the job at training camp, then that’s a bummer, but he’s going to get his shot.

But there’s no need to exhort Danny to sign Tacko.  That literally already happened weeks ago, before this thread was even created.

Is the longest possible deal for him by converting the exhibit 10 contract a two year deal?

As far as I know, he’s on a one-year minimum deal with an Exhibit 10.  Exhibit 10 would allow him to be converted to a two-way contract, it would not change the length of his deal.  If he’s converted to a 2-way contract, he can then be converted back to an NBA contract, but it again wouldn’t add any time to his deal.

Here’s the relevant text from the CBA on converting two-ways:

Team exercises the Standard NBA Contract Conversion Option, the Base Compensation amount set forth above in this Exhibit 1B will immediately become null and void and of no further force or effect, Player’s Compensation shall be equal to the Player’s applicable Minimum Player Salary for a term equal to the remainder of the original term of this Contract beginning on the date such option is exercised, and all other terms and conditions of this Contract, including the Base Compensation protection set forth in Exhibit 2 (if any), shall remain applicable.”

From what I can tell, an 'Exhibit 10' is essentially a completely non-guaranteed minimum contract that simply has the added "if waived" bonus eligibility if the player then spends time in the G-League affiliate.

The Celtics can waive it and sign him to a new contract at any point.   So they could terminate this current deal and re-sign him to either a 2-way or to a standard 2-year minimum contract deal.

Yes, I’ve said that earlier in the thread.  But then he is exposed to waivers and another team could claim him (and probably would, since it’s an Exhibit 10 contract and has no risk associated with it).  Fans of Tacko on this board should just hope he is converted to a 2-way or makes the 15.  Then he’d be a restricted free agent next summer, and the C’s would have  a year of information to know whether he is worth continued investment.

Yeah,  (assuming he proves worth keeping control of) signing him next summer to a 2+1 deal is probably the best route.

All they have to do if they want to keep him is just leave him on the current contract until then.   It will vest in mid January anyway.   The only reason to convert him to a Two-Way is if they decided they want to give the full contract to someone else, i.e., Waters.

Personally, I was thinking they should have stashed Waters for the year and put Tacko on the Two-Way.   That would have left that 15th slot for either keeping Yabusele or replacing him with someone else.  But that ship sailed when they put Waters & Strus on the Two-Way deals.

While I think the ship has sailed on Waters (since waiving him would mean we lost his draft rights for no reason), I don't see any reason that we couldn't waive Strus if we wanted to keep Tacko. A two way contract is not that much dead cap to eat

[Fierce1]

Tacko Fall will be a specialist in the NBA.

When you need to protect the rim in the dying seconds of a game, that's where you put Tacko in.

If you need to make the inbound pass more difficult for the opposing team, when the game is on the line, you use Tacko to harass the player inbounding the ball.

It would be hard for a guy like Tacko to play 30 minutes per game in the NBA.
His body just can't handle that kind of workload.
So Tacko will be more like what a long snapper or a punter is to the NFL.

[TheBig3]

Tacko Fall will be a specialist in the NBA.

When you need to protect the rim in the dying seconds of a game, that's where you put Tacko in.

If you need to make the inbound pass more difficult for the opposing team, when the game is on the line, you use Tacko to harass the player inbounding the ball.

It would be hard for a guy like Tacko to play 30 minutes per game in the NBA.
His body just can't handle that kind of workload.
So Tacko will be more like what a long snapper or a punter is to the NFL.

I agree 30 would be a lot, but 20 would be reasonable. Minute averaged 18.5 minutes per game during his career

[bellerephon]

Tacko Fall will be a specialist in the NBA.

When you need to protect the rim in the dying seconds of a game, that's where you put Tacko in.

If you need to make the inbound pass more difficult for the opposing team, when the game is on the line, you use Tacko to harass the player inbounding the ball.

It would be hard for a guy like Tacko to play 30 minutes per game in the NBA.
His body just can't handle that kind of workload.
So Tacko will be more like what a long snapper or a punter is to the NFL.

I agree 30 would be a lot, but 20 would be reasonable. Minute averaged 18.5 minutes per game during his career

I think 10 to 15 mpg is a more likely range.

[Celtics4ever]

I think we have zero plans to add have after Brad Stevens interview from yesterday, it did not seem like he was in our plans.

[Bobshot]

I wonder what some here would think if they saw Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell their rookie season. Actually Chamberlain was built more like Tacko , but a little shorter at 7-2.  300 lb. guy. His shooting range was about the same--in the paint. He had that huge reach where he could get easy baskets. Robert Williams is built more like Russell. Both about 6-10 or so, with length and jumping ability. Robert shows passing ability I don't remember Russell having. And Bill was surrounded by much better teams. All these guys have or had great shot blocking ability.

Chamberlain had freakish athleticism for his height. Tacko shows some of that. With Tacko, you want to project the guy's body a couple years from now. He could be very good. He has soft hands and shows some shooting ability in the paint.

Wilt scored about 50 ppg because nobody could defend him near the basket. He never shot beyond 10 ft from the basket.

I haven't seen anybody defend Tacko near the basket, either. He could be a game changer, but I wonder if they are ready for that. It's a different era.

[Somebody]

I wonder what some here would think if they saw Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell their rookie season. Actually Chamberlain was built more like Tacko , but a little shorter at 7-2.  300 lb. guy. His shooting range was about the same--in the paint. He had that huge reach where he could get easy baskets. Robert Williams is built more like Russell. Both about 6-10 or so, with length and jumping ability. Robert shows passing ability I don't remember Russell having. And Bill was surrounded by much better teams. All these guys have or had great shot blocking ability.

Chamberlain had freakish athleticism for his height. Tacko shows some of that. With Tacko, you want to project the guy's body a couple years from now. He could be very good. He has soft hands and shows some shooting ability in the paint.

Wilt scored about 50 ppg because nobody could defend him near the basket. He never shot beyond 10 ft from the basket.

I haven't seen anybody defend Tacko near the basket, either. He could be a game changer, but I wonder if they are ready for that. It's a different era.

I haven't watched Russell aside from the limited film we have, but a lot of reports and articles say that he was a very good passer for a big, not elite but he had good sense and the ability to make the right reads. Don't think Williams is at the sublime level yet. Also think Russell was much stronger than Williams, ditto for Wilt compared to Tacko.