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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: ctrey on January 07, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
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There is no way I am dissing the Jet. He is clutch, a great teammate by all accounts everywhere he has played and can fill it up like nearly no one in the league.
That said, he seems to really be struggling here. I am thinking he just does not fit in with what the Celtics do or the coaching staff has not adjusted to fit him in a bit better. His minutes are almost the same from previous seasons but otherwise his stats are way down.
Now I am not saying to trade him but he is not making the impact he should be making. How do people think this will play out?
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Misused more than anything.
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There is no way I am dissing the Jet. He is clutch, a great teammate by all accounts everywhere he has played and can fill it up like nearly no one in the league.
That said, he seems to really be struggling here. I am thinking he just does not fit in with what the Celtics do or the coaching staff has not adjusted to fit him in a bit better. His minutes are almost the same from previous seasons but otherwise his stats are way down.
Now I am not saying to trade him but he is not making the impact he should be making. How do people think this will play out?
He's getting older, still guarantee he will hit some BIG shots in the playoffs in what hopefully is a long push well into June should be worth it for that alone :D
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Bad fit with Doc
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Personally, I'm kind of torn on Terry. You know he will make big shots when the time comes, but if we could package him along with Bass or Green for a big, then I would think we would have to pull the trigger.
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Misused more than anything.
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Miss used as if now. Still plenty of time to pick up the pieces though. He doesn't seem frustrated just biding his time.
I actually thought he played great tonight. Played pretty good d allowing us to leave him I don't the game. Didn't score a ton but had a cool presence and calmness about him that I think especially helped Avery out there.
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Nobody will remember him struggling against the Knicks Jan 7th, 2013 if he shows up big in the playoffs. Lets not forget, JT is Miami Heat killer.
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Misused more than anything.
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This. And his defense is glaringly terrible. Im not worried. He is a good player to have on your squad.
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I say it's a combination of his role and bad play overall. You need a guy like him coming off the bench in the playoffs though. I would hate to see him traded.
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needs to come off the bench.
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Misused more than anything.
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This. And his defense is glaringly terrible. Im not worried. He is a good player to have on your squad.
The stats don't believe you and neither do I. JET has played solid defense this season. He has been even better these last few games.
The reason JET can still be out there not making shots... his defense has been very good!
Believe it or not, it's your choice.
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Nope.
I still believe in the Jet.
He's just having a bad stretch. He'll break out of it sooner than later, I'm sure of it.
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No he is being played TOO much, he is NOT a starter, he is a three point, game winning, sharpe shooter.......just like Boston abused NOVAK.......this is what happens to Terry , he gets abused and used.
Jet is used for INCREASING , piling on to momentum to put the other team away. You bring him in WHEN a RUN is going to continue the run ...finish the game, nail the lid shut on the coffin. That was his game in Dallas.
He is too slow , short and weak to start...he is a dagger man ...used when a team is got a good run going...he'll pile on.. drain the threes to increase the lead or win an overtime.
He is n't confortable as a starter, he is too small and gets abused , he know s this and body language shows it.
He is a special purpose role player ..streak shooter.
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Nope.
I still believe in the Jet.
He's just having a bad stretch. He'll break out of it sooner than later, I'm sure of it.
I agree. I don't think he's a bad fit, and I don't really think he's being misused. I'm not bothered by the fact that Doc's not putting the ball in his hands a ton. Jet doesn't seem to be bothered by it either. I love Jason's attitude. He knows that it's not about getting him his touches.
This team looks like it's starting to work. Doc looks less stupid when his guys play the way they have been lately.
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wrong thread
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JT is simply not a spot up shooter! He's a "feel" shooter, who has to have the ball, do a little shake and bake, and then HE dedides when to shoot when it "feels" right! A lot of guys like this---but it's not really the Celtic way of passing the ball and getting guys wide open shots, or running guys off screens, ala RA. Lots of guys aren't comfortable doing that--they need that little bit of streetball to feel right! JT has always been that way. Since he is really trying to be the "true Celtic", he's really making the effort--it's just not him and hurting his game! Throw in being on a new team after all those years in
Dallas, and it's just not clicking yet---but it will, given enough time!
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JT is simply not a spot up shooter! He's a "feel" shooter, who has to have the ball, do a little shake and bake, and then HE dedides when to shoot when it "feels" right! A lot of guys like this---but it's not really the Celtic way of passing the ball and getting guys wide open shots, or running guys off screens, ala RA. Lots of guys aren't comfortable doing that--they need that little bit of streetball to feel right! JT has always been that way. Since he is really trying to be the "true Celtic", he's really making the effort--it's just not him and hurting his game! Throw in being on a new team after all those years in
Dallas, and it's just not clicking yet---but it will, given enough time!
He looked pretty comfortable out there tonight, he dropped a sick dime to forget who for the flush during an important part of the game.
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Misused more than anything.
He should not be starting. Ever. He is used to the bench role and should stay there.
Lee and Bradley were a great fit last night.
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Honestly best way to play him would be to just bring him in near the end when there is 2-5 min remaining in a quarter.
The guy just tries harder and thrives in pressure situations. its like he is too old for anything else before that. Perfect example was last night in the 4th quarter, when he pulled through with those three sweet passes.
So i agree, possibly missused.
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Wasn't able to save the game for later, which I intended upon. So I just finished it.
Everything was amazing, even the paint defense. It was really crowded in our paint. Love it.
Well, everything was amazing except for one thing. Pierce had half the scoring load.
Here's where the Jet comes in. Rondo and Pierce were the only ones who were able to create their own shots at will off the dribble (KG needs an entry pass). Now we have the Jet. We just need a runway for him.
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Misused more than anything.
He should not be starting. Ever. He is used to the bench role and should stay there.
Lee and Bradley were a great fit last night.
Not really about starting, just of little use as a SG for us, particularly on the role they have him playing. Play him ad a PG, do pick-and-rolls, and he'll thrive.
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Nope.
I still believe in the Jet.
He's just having a bad stretch. He'll break out of it sooner than later, I'm sure of it.
I agree. I don't think he's a bad fit, and I don't really think he's being misused. I'm not bothered by the fact that Doc's not putting the ball in his hands a ton. Jet doesn't seem to be bothered by it either. I love Jason's attitude. He knows that it's not about getting him his touches.
This team looks like it's starting to work. Doc looks less stupid when his guys play the way they have been lately.
That's kind of where I'm at, too. It took a few games longer than expected, but this team is starting to look like they were slated to at the outset of the season.
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Misused more than anything.
He should not be starting. Ever. He is used to the bench role and should stay there.
Lee and Bradley were a great fit last night.
Not really about starting, just of little use as a SG for us, particularly on the role they have him playing. Play him ad a PG, do pick-and-rolls, and he'll thrive.
He played SG mostly for Dallas though, usually next to a PG who doesn't need the ball though. (Kidd)
He'd playmake for them a lot, but they always had another ballhandler out there. I guess that's what we're trying to do with Lee and him on the court?
Hopefully they figure out if he just needs to be the backup PG for us or what.
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Misused more than anything.
He should not be starting. Ever. He is used to the bench role and should stay there.
Lee and Bradley were a great fit last night.
Not really about starting, just of little use as a SG for us, particularly on the role they have him playing. Play him ad a PG, do pick-and-rolls, and he'll thrive.
He played SG mostly for Dallas though, usually next to a PG who doesn't need the ball though. (Kidd)
He'd playmake for them a lot, but they always had another ballhandler out there. I guess that's what we're trying to do with Lee and him on the court?
Hopefully they figure out if he just needs to be the backup PG for us or what.
He looked good coming off the bench with Lee when he did.
Like I said, you'll thank Danny when Pierce and Rondo are both out of the game and the Jet takes over the scoring load.
Sure, we had tons of assisted buckets tonight but Pierce had too big of a role on scoring.
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Misused more than anything.
He should not be starting. Ever. He is used to the bench role and should stay there.
Lee and Bradley were a great fit last night.
Not really about starting, just of little use as a SG for us, particularly on the role they have him playing. Play him ad a PG, do pick-and-rolls, and he'll thrive.
He played SG mostly for Dallas though, usually next to a PG who doesn't need the ball though. (Kidd)
He'd playmake for them a lot, but they always had another ballhandler out there. I guess that's what we're trying to do with Lee and him on the court?
Hopefully they figure out if he just needs to be the backup PG for us or what.
That's why I qualified it by using "for us".
It's indeed what they're trying to do with Lee, but I much rather have Terry start the offense off a pick-and-roll... keep his mind on scoring and making plays, instead of playmaking. It's very obvious that Doc has our bench trying to run some system plays, but that just doesn't cut it...it's not the type of personnel he was given. He was given players that are good pick-and-roll players, who'll drive to the basket and have good options in the perimeter for kick-outs.
Doc is trying to use him as Ray Allen, when he's more of an Eddie House in the perimeter, with some ball-handling which will let him create off the dribble and good for pull-ups.
Then the Rondo problem, I've always felt he wasn't that good and giving the balls in good rhythm to our perimeter players. When they get into position, the ball should already be on its way to them, and it rarely happens, you'll see it more often and more clear in transition. You have to feed this guys with these opportunities, else you risk their shooting rhythm getting out of whack. Happened often with Ray too.
And Rondo is not a tall guy, so he doesn't fit well with Terry defensively, Terry just gets abused often by SGs.
But Terry has been struggling with his shot regardless too, so plenty of blame has to come his way, but I feel that collectively as a team, starting with Doc, we can put Terry in better position to contribute for us.
All that said, I love the Terry/Lee combo off the bench, the offense is not always there (which I hope will improve as they play together more), but surprisingly, they are very good defensively together... when Doc uses them on proper assignments that is.
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No. Terry will be huge in the playoffs.
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He was signed for the playoffs and that's when we'll see his true worth.
I also love how people constantly say "Doc's using him wrong.." When speaking of different players. Guess what guys, he's an nba coach pretty sure he knows what the hell he's doing, at least better then some of these Doc bashers who probably have a beer-gut and work at walmart.
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He was signed for the playoffs and that's when we'll see his true worth.
I also love how people constantly say "Doc's using him wrong.." When speaking of different players. Guess what guys, he's an nba coach pretty sure he knows what the hell he's doing, at least better then some of these Doc bashers who probably have a beer-gut and work at walmart.
OMG, he's an NBA coach... he's perfect! No use criticizing him, he's an NBA coach after all!
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He was signed for the playoffs and that's when we'll see his true worth.
I also love how people constantly say "Doc's using him wrong.." When speaking of different players. Guess what guys, he's an nba coach pretty sure he knows what the hell he's doing, at least better then some of these Doc bashers who probably have a beer-gut and work at walmart.
OMG, he's an NBA coach... he's perfect! No use criticizing him, he's an NBA coach after all!
Yeah I kind of get his point but its a little overboard.
I mean Danny Ainge is an NBA GM there's a reason why he drafted JaJuan Johnson...
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JET's shots haven't been falling lately. He's getting good looks (though I'd run him off fewer screens - JET works better off picks handling the ball). When he gets out of this little slump he's in, I think he'll be fine.
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Doc bashers who probably have a beer-gut and work at walmart.
I just acomplish one of this 2 statements but I am not going to stop critizicing Doc when he doesnt do his job right.
Me and my belly have the right.
yesterday he did a decent job though.
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He was signed for the playoffs and that's when we'll see his true worth.
I also love how people constantly say "Doc's using him wrong.." When speaking of different players. Guess what guys, he's an nba coach pretty sure he knows what the hell he's doing, at least better then some of these Doc bashers who probably have a beer-gut and work at walmart.
Doc deserves criticism just like anyone else when the team isn't playing well. One thing you absolutely have to give him credit for is that there's probably not another coach who could handle this team's bizarre inconsistency.
Mike
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Jason Terry is not the problem; he is just a bridge until Courtney Lee can take over.