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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 16, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
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https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/919976135353688064
According to a league source, barring a sudden change, Marcus Smart & the Celtics will not agree to an extension prior to tonight's deadline
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Shams: For Boston, hurdle in closing gap with Smart extension talks was luxury tax implication, league sources said. Now risk losing Smart in July’s RFA.
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The team probably wants a discount against what Marcus MIGHT become while Marcus probably wants to paid what he thinks he MIGHT become. So makes sense to wait I suppose.
I'm fine with it. Let's see the proof Marcus.
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I wonder if the next big free agency class is something danny is eying. Maybe he thinks at worst he lets him walk to make room for a star next free agency. A free agent like dare I say avery Bradley is available lol
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I wonder if the next big free agency class is something danny is eying. Maybe he thinks at worst he lets him walk to make room for a star next free agency. A free agent like dare I say avery Bradley is available lol
That's not it. Smart or no Smart we won't have cap room next year.
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I dont think smart will be a celtic after this season :(
Danny will need to the same thing he did to replace Crowder with Semi
And find another younger cheaper smart.
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I wonder if offers have been made and they just far apart and if so how far apart.
Curious to see what each side thinks the value is there.
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
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I wonder if offers have been made and they just far apart and if so how far apart.
Curious to see what each side thinks the value is there.
Its all Denvers fault
I bet Miami trades Dragic by the trade deadline and signs Smart next offseason =(
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
I'm afraid of this too. Someone convince me we would pay Marcus anyway, please!
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I wonder how far off they are.
While I would love to lock up Smart long-term right now, it'll be pretty nice to have contract year Smart all year long. If a deal doesn't get done, I expect a major chip on Smart's shoulder all year long, which should translate to a stellar year.
I do question how smart it is for him, though, especially given his aggressive style of play that could force an injury and cost him millions.
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This isn't really a big deal. The Celts probably offered a team-friendly contract, while Smart probably asked for market value for the player he projects to be.
Outside of max contracts, the majority of guys don't sign extensions.
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This isn't really a big deal. The Celts probably offered a team-friendly contract, while Smart probably asked for market value for the player he projects to be.
Outside of max contracts, the majority of guys don't sign extensions.
Yeah, I think they'll negotiate in the offseason.
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This isn't really a big deal. The Celts probably offered a team-friendly contract, while Smart probably asked for market value for the player he projects to be.
Outside of max contracts, the majority of guys don't sign extensions.
I agree. No big deal. Its better to let Smart and the market determine his value. If he is still shooting poorly this year, you wouldn't want to overpay him now for what he thinks he might become just because he got himself in shape.
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
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This is probably not terrible news for us, Marcus will be extra-motivated this season and the league-wide cap situation is shaping up to be a major buyers' market this offseason.
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Danny will need to the same thing he did to replace Crowder with Semi
I bet Miami trades Dragic by the trade deadline and signs Smart next offseason =(
This Semi replaced Crowder notion really needs to stop.
Incorrect. Dragic or not they still won't be able to afford Smart.
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This is probably not terrible news for us, Marcus will be extra-motivated this season and the league-wide cap situation is shaping up to be a major buyers' market this offseason.
Yep. Everything I read that concerns next offseason, talks about cap space being more sparse than it was this past summer, when it was much more sparse than it had been the year before. Smart's market value next summer is probably closer to what the Celtics has in mind than what Smart and/or his agent has in mind.
But we'll see how it plays out. Hopefully Marcus has a year that demands a big fat raise. ;)
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
You’re very incorrect about Dallas.
1) Seth Curry is an unrestricted free agent next year. He’s certainly not blocking Smart.
2) Smith is an exciting prospect, but there’s room for both on the roster.
3) Noel only has a cap hold of $8 million next year, so they can go over the cap to keep him very easily, should they choose.
4) Smart is closer in age to Harrison Barnes and Noel (25 and 23) than are other free agents, which would put that core on the same development timeline.
5) Smart could very well be best free agent Dallas can get to sign. They shouldn’t be an attractive option for the guys on their third or fourth contract looking for a super team, and those players wouldn’t make as much sense to Dallas either.
6) Smart is from Dallas and has always played very well there.
I will be very surprised if Dallas isn’t a major suitor for Smart next summer. The best hope for that not happening is that Smith Jr. plays so well that it makes more sense for them to pursue a wing in free agency. That’s not impossible, but it is unlikely for a rookie PG.
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Danny will need to the same thing he did to replace Crowder with Semi
I bet Miami trades Dragic by the trade deadline and signs Smart next offseason =(
This Semi replaced Crowder notion really needs to stop.
Incorrect. Dragic or not they still won't be able to afford Smart.
Why? We did replace Crowder... in pretty much the same way in which we replaced Isaiah Thomas with Shane Larkin. ;D
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
You’re very incorrect about Dallas.
1) Seth Curry is an unrestricted free agent next year. He’s certainly not blocking Smart.
2) Smith is an exciting prospect, but there’s room for both on the roster.
3) Noel only has a cap hold of $8 million next year, so they can go over the cap to keep him very easily, should they choose.
4) Smart is closer in age to Harrison Barnes and Noel (25 and 23) than are other free agents, which would put that core on the same development timeline.
5) Smart could very well be best free agent Dallas can get to sign. They shouldn’t be an attractive option for the guys on their third or fourth contract looking for a super team, and those players wouldn’t make as much sense to Dallas either.
6) Smart is from Dallas and has always played very well there.
I will be very surprised if Dallas isn’t a major suitor for Smart next summer. The best hope for that not happening is that Smith Jr. plays so well that it makes more sense for them to pursue a wing in free agency. That’s not impossible, but it is unlikely for a rookie PG.
I am a very big Smart fan, but I don't see why they would pay that high for a good role player... on a team full of highly paid role players
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
You’re very incorrect about Dallas.
1) Seth Curry is an unrestricted free agent next year. He’s certainly not blocking Smart.
2) Smith is an exciting prospect, but there’s room for both on the roster.
3) Noel only has a cap hold of $8 million next year, so they can go over the cap to keep him very easily, should they choose.
4) Smart is closer in age to Harrison Barnes and Noel (25 and 23) than are other free agents, which would put that core on the same development timeline.
5) Smart could very well be best free agent Dallas can get to sign. They shouldn’t be an attractive option for the guys on their third or fourth contract looking for a super team, and those players wouldn’t make as much sense to Dallas either.
6) Smart is from Dallas and has always played very well there.
I will be very surprised if Dallas isn’t a major suitor for Smart next summer. The best hope for that not happening is that Smith Jr. plays so well that it makes more sense for them to pursue a wing in free agency. That’s not impossible, but it is unlikely for a rookie PG.
I am a very big Smart fan, but I don't see why they would pay that high for a good role player... on a team full of highly paid role players
unless Dallas is promising Smart to start, and Smart is from the Texas area, then Dallas has a very good case to pry Smart away from us
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Math problem.
Right now, assuming the Celtics opt-in on both Terry & Jaylen next year, they have 107M committed to 11 players for 2018-19.
If the luxury tax threshold is roughly ~125M, then that leaves just around 18M of room to play before going over.
In addition to Marcus, Aron Baynes and Shane Larkin will be Unrestricted Free Agents and we will also have to potentially sign both our own pick (which won't cost too much) and possibly the LAL18 pick (which could cost between 4.4M and 6M).
When people are talking about numbers as low as 12M and as high as 20M for Marcus Smart (and the Gary Harris comp comes in at 16.5M in the first year of that 84M deal), you can see how suddenly that ~18M of room under the tax can disappear pretty quickly.
I think Danny also has to wait to see whether the Laker's pick will convey or not. Because it represents a big chunk of salary commitment.
And what do you do about Aron Baynes? If he plays well, he could cost a lot more than this year's 4M bargain deal. Even if you let him walk, you have to replace his big body with someone. And veteran big bodies aren't cheap.
I concur with SaltLover: I would view Dallas as a serious threat to make an offer sheet for Marcus. They have very little committed money for 2018-19 and other than Dennis Smith, Jr., I don't see any of their guards as more compelling than Smart.
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It'd be quite odd if they did sign something I think, not that I wouldn't be happy. Smart should want something in line with the overpay extensions of the last few weeks whereas Ainge will want a team friendly deal.
Better for us as a franchise to wait til the summer. If he has a great season then there is more certainty in paying him, also a better chance of using the market in our favour due to the lack of cap space amongst teams.
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It'd be quite odd if they did sign something I think, not that I wouldn't be happy. Smart should want something in line with the overpay extensions of the last few weeks whereas Ainge will want a team friendly deal.
Better for us as a franchise to wait til the summer. If he has a great season then there is more certainty in paying him, also a better chance of using the market in our favour due to the lack of cap space amongst teams.
This is not the issue (space amongst teams). With a team such as Dallas having much space, we might have a very big problem. With only ONE team in this situation.
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Math problem.
Right now, assuming the Celtics opt-in on both Terry & Jaylen next year, they have 107M committed to 11 players for 2018-19.
If the luxury tax threshold is roughly ~125M, then that leaves just around 18M of room to play before going over.
In addition to Marcus, Aron Baynes and Shane Larkin will be Unrestricted Free Agents and we will also have to potentially sign both our own pick (which won't cost too much) and possibly the LAL18 pick (which could cost between 4.4M and 6M).
When people are talking about numbers as low as 12M and as high as 20M for Marcus Smart (and the Gary Harris comp comes in at 16.5M in the first year of that 84M deal), you can see how suddenly that ~18M of room under the tax can disappear pretty quickly.
I think Danny also has to wait to see whether the Laker's pick will convey or not. Because it represents a big chunk of salary commitment.
And what do you do about Aron Baynes? If he plays well, he could cost a lot more than this year's 4M bargain deal. Even if you let him walk, you have to replace his big body with someone. And veteran big bodies aren't cheap.
I concur with SaltLover: I would view Dallas as a serious threat to make an offer sheet for Marcus. They have very little committed money for 2018-19 and other than Dennis Smith, Jr., I don't see any of their guards as more compelling than Smart.
The good news is GSW will literally be facing this same exact issue in about 2 years, and will probably have no choice but to trade either Klay or Green, or risk having an extremely high tax bill.
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I wonder if the next big free agency class is something danny is eying. Maybe he thinks at worst he lets him walk to make room for a star next free agency. A free agent like dare I say avery Bradley is available lol
IT could be available
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Math problem.
Right now, assuming the Celtics opt-in on both Terry & Jaylen next year, they have 107M committed to 11 players for 2018-19.
If the luxury tax threshold is roughly ~125M, then that leaves just around 18M of room to play before going over.
In addition to Marcus, Aron Baynes and Shane Larkin will be Unrestricted Free Agents and we will also have to potentially sign both our own pick (which won't cost too much) and possibly the LAL18 pick (which could cost between 4.4M and 6M).
When people are talking about numbers as low as 12M and as high as 20M for Marcus Smart (and the Gary Harris comp comes in at 16.5M in the first year of that 84M deal), you can see how suddenly that ~18M of room under the tax can disappear pretty quickly.
I think Danny also has to wait to see whether the Laker's pick will convey or not. Because it represents a big chunk of salary commitment.
And what do you do about Aron Baynes? If he plays well, he could cost a lot more than this year's 4M bargain deal. Even if you let him walk, you have to replace his big body with someone. And veteran big bodies aren't cheap.
I concur with SaltLover: I would view Dallas as a serious threat to make an offer sheet for Marcus. They have very little committed money for 2018-19 and other than Dennis Smith, Jr., I don't see any of their guards as more compelling than Smart.
Why would Dallas prioritize Smart over unrestricted free agents like Bradley and KCP or re-signing Curry? Restricted free agents are attracting even less interest than usual. Defensive oriented role players (non-bigs) don't attract big offers.
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Shams: Sources: Marcus Smart’s agent and Boston remained fully engaged before extension deadline. No deal, couldn't bridge the gap. For Boston, hurdle in closing gap with Smart extension talks was luxury tax implication, league sources said. Now risk losing Smart in July’s RFA.
If the luxury tax fear is true, a free agent bidding battle isn't going to help. Is danny going to trade smart at the deadline for whatever he can get like he did with bradley? Smart for markieff morris? Lol
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I feel like it is simple - Danny did not want to go into the luxury a year early to avoid repeater tax for as long as he can.
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I wonder what the gap was.
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I feel like it is simple - Danny did not want to go into the luxury a year early to avoid repeater tax for as long as he can.
Signing Smart to an extension wouldn't affect Smart's salary this season. The extension starts next season just like re-signing him during next offseason would.
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Mark Murphy tweet:
Agent Happy Walters confirms that Smart fails to reach deal on extension with Celtics. "It will cost them a lot more next year."
:(
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Since danny didn't want to go into luxury tax, I'm assuming smart asked for something more than $18 mill And Celtics wanted something below $18 mill.
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Mark Murphy tweet:
Agent Happy Walters confirms that Smart fails to reach deal on extension with Celtics. "It will cost them a lot more next year."
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smarts going to be gone at the trade deadline. I have a feeling that Danny wants to sign rosier to a long term budget deal and bet on him rather than overpay for smart.. Who could we possibly get for an expiring Marcus smart? I wonder
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Mark Murphy tweet:
Agent Happy Walters confirms that Smart fails to reach deal on extension with Celtics. "It will cost them a lot more next year."
:(
Happy Walters was Noel's agent when he reportedly turned down a 4 year 70M contract. Now Noel is playing for his 4.1M qualifying offer. Smart is likely to be disappointed in his offers next offseason.
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If the deadline comes around and Smart is still a woeful sub 40% from the field and sub 30% from 3, maybe Smart should be moved. Smart's gonna want Harris money no matter what he does this year and Danny is only going to offer him Roberson money if he can't shoot.
Wonder what Danny could get for Smart and a first rounder?
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Mark Murphy tweet:
Agent Happy Walters confirms that Smart fails to reach deal on extension with Celtics. "It will cost them a lot more next year."
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TP for the tweet.
That sounds like a very bitter statement from Smart's camp. I agree with others that I would love to keep Smart around for many years on a team friendly deal, but that doesn't appear to be the goal for all parties.
I also agree with others that the trade deadline could mean the end to Smart's Celtics' career. I am certainly not hoping for this, but AB and IT were moved because they were going to cost too much next year...and they were starters.
If we do hold on to him, (likely if you look at our last couple of 1st round picks coming off of their rookie deals), it really is going to come down to the market for Smart and if he would rather play for a winning organization or a perennial loser. For his sake, I hope he doesn't go on his agent's advice and go the Noel route.
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im of course a huge smart fan, but that aside , FO most likey made a huge mistake , in that im thinking it will cost way more to keep him latter than now.
Wye might as well get use to the tax gig.....i d don't see how you compete with teams who ar in the luxury tax already to compete. If you don't comitt to resigning players , then ypu just as well might hang it up against the teams that will.
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I'm starting to think Terry Rozier (the "filler" in ALL our trade ideas) is TRULY THE UNTOUCHABLE HERE ON THIS TEAM :laugh:
You get the feeling Ainge will let Smart walk now while he gets overpaid elsewhere (4/80+M), and then Ainge extends Rozier long term :P
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In today's game the guys who command big bucks are the ones who can put the ball in the basket consistently. Smart's a terrific guy to have, but he's not going to move the needle any for a crappy team. Which means he doesn't deserve to be paid like a star.
I do however agree that Dallas is a likely destination and personally I think there's a pretty good chance that the Celtics will lose him.
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Math problem.
Right now, assuming the Celtics opt-in on both Terry & Jaylen next year, they have 107M committed to 11 players for 2018-19.
If the luxury tax threshold is roughly ~125M, then that leaves just around 18M of room to play before going over.
In addition to Marcus, Aron Baynes and Shane Larkin will be Unrestricted Free Agents and we will also have to potentially sign both our own pick (which won't cost too much) and possibly the LAL18 pick (which could cost between 4.4M and 6M).
When people are talking about numbers as low as 12M and as high as 20M for Marcus Smart (and the Gary Harris comp comes in at 16.5M in the first year of that 84M deal), you can see how suddenly that ~18M of room under the tax can disappear pretty quickly.
I think Danny also has to wait to see whether the Laker's pick will convey or not. Because it represents a big chunk of salary commitment.
And what do you do about Aron Baynes? If he plays well, he could cost a lot more than this year's 4M bargain deal. Even if you let him walk, you have to replace his big body with someone. And veteran big bodies aren't cheap.
I concur with SaltLover: I would view Dallas as a serious threat to make an offer sheet for Marcus. They have very little committed money for 2018-19 and other than Dennis Smith, Jr., I don't see any of their guards as more compelling than Smart.
Why would Dallas prioritize Smart over unrestricted free agents like Bradley and KCP or re-signing Curry? Restricted free agents are attracting even less interest than usual. Defensive oriented role players (non-bigs) don't attract big offers.
Because of what I outlined about Boston's salary & tax situation. This puts Marcus in the situation where his 'market value' contract is dangerously close to the 'out of price range' for Boston. I.E., he becomes the rare restricted free agent situation where an offer sheet only has to be a little bit over market value in order to steal him from his original team. Worse case for Dallas would be tying up cap space for the offer sheet period and forcing Boston to have to match for more than they probably want to do.
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If the deadline comes around and Smart is still a woeful sub 40% from the field and sub 30% from 3, maybe Smart should be moved. Smart's gonna want Harris money no matter what he does this year and Danny is only going to offer him Roberson money if he can't shoot.
Wonder what Danny could get for Smart and a first rounder?
I don't understand how anyone can point to the Gary Harris contract as a comp here. It's delusional. Harris is a quality defender who scored 14.9 points a game, shot 50% from the field and was a 42% 3pt shooter.
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If he shoots well this year, a 45/35/80 split, and provides DPOY-like defense, and actually earns the kind of offer Dallas would give him...we're just going to let that go, for nothing?
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
Brooklyn has like 20 million in cap room if they waive their cap holds (no super valuable players there) and Carroll picks up his player option. If Carroll opts out that gives them over 32 million.
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If the deadline comes around and Smart is still a woeful sub 40% from the field and sub 30% from 3, maybe Smart should be moved. Smart's gonna want Harris money no matter what he does this year and Danny is only going to offer him Roberson money if he can't shoot.
Wonder what Danny could get for Smart and a first rounder?
I don't understand how anyone can point to the Gary Harris contract as a comp here. It's delusional. Harris is a quality defender who scored 14.9 points a game, shot 50% from the field and was a 42% 3pt shooter.
Been over this before, but Harris is not a quality defender. He’s at best average, and more than likely is below average to bad.
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
Brooklyn has like 20 million in cap room if they waive their cap holds (no super valuable players there) and Carroll picks up his player option. If Carroll opts out that gives them over 32 million.
Why would Carroll opt out of his contract of $15.4 million
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
Brooklyn has like 20 million in cap room if they waive their cap holds (no super valuable players there) and Carroll picks up his player option. If Carroll opts out that gives them over 32 million.
Why would Carroll opt out of his contract of $15.4 million
Because he wants to sign a new deal at half that salary, obviously!
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
Brooklyn has like 20 million in cap room if they waive their cap holds (no super valuable players there) and Carroll picks up his player option. If Carroll opts out that gives them over 32 million.
Why would Carroll opt out of his contract of $15.4 million
I misread it, Lin has the player option not Carroll. Lin's is like 12.5 million, which is why I think he might opt out.
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If Smart has a decent season, there will be at least one team out there (BKLN, Mavs, PHIL?) that will pay him more than we will be willing to match. We have to pay Kyrie max deal a year later, so there just won't be enough bread to pay Smart what at least one team will offer him. Too bad.
Brooklyn will definitely not have cap space for like the next 3 years. If anything, look for them to take another big contract for a young player/draft asset like they did with DeAngelo Russell.
Dallas would probably not want to pursue Marcus, considering their bargain guards (curry and dennis smith). Likely to pursue a wing or big (nerlens noel).
Philly would rather save their money for Robert Covington.
Brooklyn has like 20 million in cap room if they waive their cap holds (no super valuable players there) and Carroll picks up his player option. If Carroll opts out that gives them over 32 million.
Why would Carroll opt out of his contract of $15.4 million
I misread it, Lin has the player option not Carroll. Lin's is like 12.5 million, which is why I think he might opt out.
Highly doubt Lin will opt out for the same reason as Carroll. He’s not going to have interest from anyone who can offer him more than the MLE. The cap is going to rise substantially between 2018 and 2019, at the same time a lot more contracts come off the books. That’s the summer to be a free agent, not this one.
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I think Smart will have the same issue KCP, Len and Noel had. He will have to sign his QO and go for Unrestrict money. Unless he blows the doors wide open, he will get no more than Gary Harris.
Time will tell.
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I think Smart will have the same issue KCP, Len and Noel had. He will have to sign his QO and go for Unrestrict money. Unless he blows the doors wide open, he will get no more than Gary Harris.
Time will tell.
One of those things is not like the other. KCP is getting $17.75 mil this year.
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If the deadline comes around and Smart is still a woeful sub 40% from the field and sub 30% from 3, maybe Smart should be moved. Smart's gonna want Harris money no matter what he does this year and Danny is only going to offer him Roberson money if he can't shoot.
Wonder what Danny could get for Smart and a first rounder?
I don't understand how anyone can point to the Gary Harris contract as a comp here. It's delusional. Harris is a quality defender who scored 14.9 points a game, shot 50% from the field and was a 42% 3pt shooter.
I am not saying that I would give Smart the money Harris got. I am saying that Smart will want that type of money no matter what he does this year. Heck, I don't think Harris is worth the money he got. I think Denver made a huge mustake giving him thst much.
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If the deadline comes around and Smart is still a woeful sub 40% from the field and sub 30% from 3, maybe Smart should be moved. Smart's gonna want Harris money no matter what he does this year and Danny is only going to offer him Roberson money if he can't shoot.
Wonder what Danny could get for Smart and a first rounder?
I don't understand how anyone can point to the Gary Harris contract as a comp here. It's delusional. Harris is a quality defender who scored 14.9 points a game, shot 50% from the field and was a 42% 3pt shooter.
I am not saying that I would give Smart the money Harris got. I am saying that Smart will want that type of money no matter what he does this year. Heck, I don't think Harris is worth the money he got. I think Denver made a huge mustake giving him thst much.
yeah. I didnt like that contract either and I agree that Marcus and his agent are definitely going to point to it.
Wish Harris hadnt gotten that deal because the other guys Smart would be comparable to all got really reasonable deals between 15 and 10 mil a year.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704 (https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704)
Smart on no extension: "We thought it was close from fact that we didn't ask for much… They just weren't..."
And he said they offered a deal for the Celtics to not be so deep into the tax and Ainge still turned it down...
And Smart says now he is actually having a opportunity to earn more $
So you got the story
But you know what i still stand with and believe in Ainge because i know he is not doing this for himself and he will sell his son for the team
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https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704 (https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704)
Smart on no extension: "We thought it was close from fact that we didn't ask for much… They just weren't..."
And he said they offered a deal for the Celtics to not be so deep into the tax and Ainge still turned it down...
And Smart says now he is actually having a opportunity to earn more $
So you got the story
But you know what i still stand with and believe in Ainge because i know he is not doing this for himself and he will sell his son for the team
that doesn't sound good to me for some reason, i hope i'm just thinking too much into it but i hope we still retain Smart for long term
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https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704 (https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704)
Smart on no extension: "We thought it was close from fact that we didn't ask for much… They just weren't..."
And he said they offered a deal for the Celtics to not be so deep into the tax and Ainge still turned it down...
And Smart says now he is actually having a opportunity to earn more $
So you got the story
But you know what i still stand with and believe in Ainge because i know he is not doing this for himself and he will sell his son for the team
The bolded is the part in question. Without rookies and the MLE, the Cs have quite a bit of cap space to work with next offseason - is Smart saying that he was asking for like $20M/yr or was he taking into consideration the Lakers pick conveying and the Cs signing somebody with the MLE (and only asking for about $10-12M/yr)?
Either way, not a bad move from the Cs standpoint. I've always thought that it was a better move to wait than to sign Smart to a Hardaway/Harris type of contract without his offense improving greatly. At least now we know and all can head into the season with this no longer at the forefront.
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Obviously it would have been better to sign him to a team-friendly contract, but remember, restricted free agents usually end up re-signing at below-market deals anyway. I don't take this as a signal that ownership is unwilling to pay tax and re-sign Smart; more likely, they just don't want to pay more tax than necessary, and think they can get a better deal next season.
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If Smart gets offered 20+ a year -- and has actually earned it -- do the Celtics match?
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https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704 (https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/920330584454344704)
Smart on no extension: "We thought it was close from fact that we didn't ask for much… They just weren't..."
And he said they offered a deal for the Celtics to not be so deep into the tax and Ainge still turned it down...
And Smart says now he is actually having a opportunity to earn more $
So you got the story
But you know what i still stand with and believe in Ainge because i know he is not doing this for himself and he will sell his son for the team
The bolded is the part in question. Without rookies and the MLE, the Cs have quite a bit of cap space to work with next offseason - is Smart saying that he was asking for like $20M/yr or was he taking into consideration the Lakers pick conveying and the Cs signing somebody with the MLE (and only asking for about $10-12M/yr)?
Either way, not a bad move from the Cs standpoint. I've always thought that it was a better move to wait than to sign Smart to a Hardaway/Harris type of contract without his offense improving greatly. At least now we know and all can head into the season with this no longer at the forefront.
without rookies or cap holds Boston is at a round 107 million already on the books which only like 15 million shy of the projected tax line. Add on two rookies, one a high pick, and Boston is under 10 million from the tax
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If Smart gets offered 20+ a year -- and has actually earned it -- do the Celtics match?
Only if the Lakers pick doesn’t convey to the Celtics this year. That pick will cost between about $5.2 and $7.2 million next year, which will have a major impact on the team’s tax bill if they retain Smart. My guess is the uncertainty surrounding that pick is a major reason a deal wasn’t completed.
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I'm looking to be corrected on this if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the Celtics being a team that quibbles over the dollars much. I can't think of anyone since Tony Allen who the Celtics didn't give them the money they were worth.
Evan Turner left because he got a ludicrous offer from Portland. Olynyk left for cap space reasons. Crowder seemed very happy with his deal when it was signed. A lot of peolpe thought Avery Bradley was overpaid when he signed the deal he's on now. The Celtics didn't blink at maxing out Horford and Hayward.
Am I missing anyone?
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Danny trades those who want too much or are valued too much
Perk, it, bradley
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Danny trades those who want too much or are valued too much
Perk, it, bradley
I don't know if it's right to characterize Bradley that way. If Hayward had been off the table, Bradley would still be here and I imagine the Celtics would be prepared to pay him.
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I'm looking to be corrected on this if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the Celtics being a team that quibbles over the dollars much. I can't think of anyone since Tony Allen who the Celtics didn't give them the money they were worth.
Evan Turner left because he got a ludicrous offer from Portland. Olynyk left for cap space reasons. Crowder seemed very happy with his deal when it was signed. A lot of peolpe thought Avery Bradley was overpaid when he signed the deal he's on now. The Celtics didn't blink at maxing out Horford and Hayward.
Am I missing anyone?
I think a more precise characterization might be that, when Danny has paid his guys, he has paid at least fair market value.
But he has several times simply avoided paying guys (either by trading them or letting them walk).
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How much of a discount would the Celtics have gotten if they signed him?
Isn't Marcus confident about his abilities this year, esp. considering that he's in the best shape of his NBA career?
Why would Marcus take a home town discount when he could play multiple teams off each other in Free Agency?
Wouldn't his agent be doing Smart an injustice by advising him to sign now for less?
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Smart can be in the best shape of his life but through two games he has shown himself to be what he has been since college: a defensive bulldog with poor offensive decision making and a horrible shot.
He's 9 for 29 so far and 3 for 11 from 3PT. That's what he is. Danny needs to see he isn't worth more than $10-11 million a year if he is such a horrid offensive player.
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Smart will be fine.
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Smart will be fine.
I feel the same way but even as a big Smart guy this is why I get letting it play out. I don't think there will really be anyone to overpay him.
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Hopefully, his terrible shooting so far could put off some potential suitors. We need his defensive presence more than anything.
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How much of a discount would the Celtics have gotten if they signed him?
Isn't Marcus confident about his abilities this year, esp. considering that he's in the best shape of his NBA career?
Why would Marcus take a home town discount when he could play multiple teams off each other in Free Agency?
Wouldn't his agent be doing Smart an injustice by advising him to sign now for less?
Who says he's going to get more next offseason. Noel thought he'd get a big contract and now he is playing on a 4.1M qualifying offer. KCP had to settle for a 1 year deal.
There just isn't going to be much cap space next offseason. On a recent podcast, Nate Duncan estimated only 7 teams would have more than the mid level exception.