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Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2018, 06:20:17 PM »

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He got drafted by the Suns.
Yeah he'd probably develop into a taller Marcus Smart here.

Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2018, 06:43:48 PM »

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He got drafted by the Suns.
Yeah he'd probably develop into a taller Marcus Smart here.

Or a taller Fultz if drafted by the Sixers.

Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2018, 06:56:08 PM »

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Lol. I can't think of worse comparisons than Smart and Fultz.. literally no commonalities.  Guess no one else has seen Jackson play, apparently.  Go Celtics. Kyrina for Prez.
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Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2018, 06:56:41 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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He got drafted by the Suns.
Yeah he'd probably develop into a taller Marcus Smart here.

Or a taller Fultz if drafted by the Sixers.
Fultz is a pretty unique situation.

Some prospects developed beyond expectations in Philly (Convington)... some failed miserably without guidance (okafor)

Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2018, 05:40:05 PM »

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I've been following the Suns as of late, mainly because I love TJ Warren.  They've really been aimless with the structure and decisions they've made.  Essentially they have wasted this time by giving him more responsibility than he could handle and he is drowning in confusion of his role.  Very few actually succeed without a defined role. 

And in these first 14 months, Jackson has developed bad habits.  It would have essentially been where Jaylen Brown would have been if he wasn't brought along slowly.  I think you could boil down the problem to the instability in the Suns organization.

I do think things are changing with their new head coach; things are still not perfect but the rookie class they've brought in this year are performing better.  It does help to have nailed the top pick with Ayton, but other guys like Melton and Bridges are playing very well. Veteran guys are pushing those youngsters into smaller roles with enough room for them to grow consistently.  The only problem for Jackson is that it is hard to reign in a wild buck.  They may have messed up his potential but they still can get a solid player if they prune back his weaknesses and give him the right space to grow. 

Right after watching their first win last night over Doncic and the Mavs, I think Jackson needs to be restricted to a smaller role almost identical to Brown's developing role with the Celtics.  Jackson has started to show better three-points shooting in spot-up situations; the next step is to taper his off the dribble shots and bad isolation sets.  Those will be the hardest to do with such little offensive structure or hierarchy in Phoenix.  Throw in improving his ball security and I think things will turn around for him or at least rebuild and further his prospect.  And I think this can be done by the end of the season.

Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2018, 06:31:02 PM »

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I've been following the Suns as of late, mainly because I love TJ Warren.  They've really been aimless with the structure and decisions they've made.  Essentially they have wasted this time by giving him more responsibility than he could handle and he is drowning in confusion of his role.  Very few actually succeed without a defined role. 

And in these first 14 months, Jackson has developed bad habits.  It would have essentially been where Jaylen Brown would have been if he wasn't brought along slowly.  I think you could boil down the problem to the instability in the Suns organization.

I do think things are changing with their new head coach; things are still not perfect but the rookie class they've brought in this year are performing better.  It does help to have nailed the top pick with Ayton, but other guys like Melton and Bridges are playing very well. Veteran guys are pushing those youngsters into smaller roles with enough room for them to grow consistently.  The only problem for Jackson is that it is hard to reign in a wild buck.  They may have messed up his potential but they still can get a solid player if they prune back his weaknesses and give him the right space to grow. 

Right after watching their first win last night over Doncic and the Mavs, I think Jackson needs to be restricted to a smaller role almost identical to Brown's developing role with the Celtics.  Jackson has started to show better three-points shooting in spot-up situations; the next step is to taper his off the dribble shots and bad isolation sets.  Those will be the hardest to do with such little offensive structure or hierarchy in Phoenix.  Throw in improving his ball security and I think things will turn around for him or at least rebuild and further his prospect.  And I think this can be done by the end of the season.


Interesting. Do you think similar issues have caused Bender to struggle as well, or is he just bad?

Re: What's up with Josh Jackson?
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2018, 03:02:01 PM »

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I've been following the Suns as of late, mainly because I love TJ Warren.  They've really been aimless with the structure and decisions they've made.  Essentially they have wasted this time by giving him more responsibility than he could handle and he is drowning in confusion of his role.  Very few actually succeed without a defined role. 

And in these first 14 months, Jackson has developed bad habits.  It would have essentially been where Jaylen Brown would have been if he wasn't brought along slowly.  I think you could boil down the problem to the instability in the Suns organization.

I do think things are changing with their new head coach; things are still not perfect but the rookie class they've brought in this year are performing better.  It does help to have nailed the top pick with Ayton, but other guys like Melton and Bridges are playing very well. Veteran guys are pushing those youngsters into smaller roles with enough room for them to grow consistently.  The only problem for Jackson is that it is hard to reign in a wild buck.  They may have messed up his potential but they still can get a solid player if they prune back his weaknesses and give him the right space to grow. 

Right after watching their first win last night over Doncic and the Mavs, I think Jackson needs to be restricted to a smaller role almost identical to Brown's developing role with the Celtics.  Jackson has started to show better three-points shooting in spot-up situations; the next step is to taper his off the dribble shots and bad isolation sets.  Those will be the hardest to do with such little offensive structure or hierarchy in Phoenix.  Throw in improving his ball security and I think things will turn around for him or at least rebuild and further his prospect.  And I think this can be done by the end of the season.


Interesting. Do you think similar issues have caused Bender to struggle as well, or is he just bad?

I think Bender was picked too high.  I think had they correctly managed his development, he could have been a good role player, top 5 or 6th best player on a title team.  However, he was picked way too high. And so were his expectations.  Now, he is lost in a game where threes play the four, and he isn't more than a three-point specialist.  Defense, inside the arc efficiency, and ball security would help him bounce back.

Once he leaves the Suns, finding a team that will wait for him and give him the right instruction, would give him a chance to rebrand himself.  A team like the Spurs could maximize his abilities, just look what they've done with Bertans