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Should Kobe's #24 be retired league wide?
« on: January 27, 2020, 11:50:18 AM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1221610980347666433

Wonder how many other teams will follow suit

This seems like too much. It's not like he broke the color barrier for the sport or anything even close to that kind of impact. It's not like he was the greatest player of all time. He didn't die while on the job. He was an icon. And as unique and iconic as Kobe was, the league has had many icons before him and will after him. If Cuban wants to do that for the Mavs, then I have no business in telling him otherwise. I don't think other teams should necessarily follow suit.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2020, 12:00:10 PM »

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Quote from: action781 on January 27, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1221610980347666433

Wonder how many other teams will follow suit

This seems like too much. It's not like he broke the color barrier for the sport or anything even close to that kind of impact. It's not like he was the greatest player of all time. He didn't die while on the job. He was an icon. And as unique and iconic as Kobe was, the league has had many icons before him and will after him. If Cuban wants to do that for the Mavs, then I have no business in telling him otherwise. I don't think other teams should necessarily follow suit.
I think the measure should be, "Would you have done this if the person had not died tragically at a young age?"
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2020, 12:34:48 PM »

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I am too melancholy today to post much of anything.  I truly appreciate the posts everyone has put up.  They help all of us to process this shocking news.

Quote from: action781 on January 27, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1221610980347666433

Wonder how many other teams will follow suit

This seems like too much. It's not like he broke the color barrier for the sport or anything even close to that kind of impact. It's not like he was the greatest player of all time. He didn't die while on the job. He was an icon. And as unique and iconic as Kobe was, the league has had many icons before him and will after him. If Cuban wants to do that for the Mavs, then I have no business in telling him otherwise. I don't think other teams should necessarily follow suit.
That's right you don't.

Please don't minimize Kobe's contributions to this sport and to his iconic nature.  He was a hero to many young kids, black or otherwise.  He is one of the greatest of all time. He was admired by teammates, adversaries and media.  He was a positive public figure outside of basketball as well.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2020, 12:39:01 PM »

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  I can appreciate in that video the joy and happiness that Kobe gets out of the sport of basketball and I can imagine how much joy and fulfillment he gets being able to share that joy and bond over that with his daughter.  As a father of my first daughter just 5 months ago, I myself dream of having those kinds of moments with her.  So I can relate to Kobe in that way and it saddens me that many more of those truly joyful moments which life is all about have been lost for Kobe and Gianna.

Yeah, whatever faults Kobe may have had, it seems universally agreed upon that he was a fantastic father.  I feel terribly that three teenagers died yesterday, and that so many moments were stolen from all involved.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2020, 12:49:45 PM »

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Quote from: action781 on January 27, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1221610980347666433

Wonder how many other teams will follow suit

This seems like too much. It's not like he broke the color barrier for the sport or anything even close to that kind of impact. It's not like he was the greatest player of all time. He didn't die while on the job. He was an icon. And as unique and iconic as Kobe was, the league has had many icons before him and will after him. If Cuban wants to do that for the Mavs, then I have no business in telling him otherwise. I don't think other teams should necessarily follow suit.
I agree


The Heat retired Michael Jordan’s 23. That has always been laugh worthy even with MJ being the goat, and mavs retiring Kobe’s 24 will not Age well either  in my opinion.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2020, 01:37:57 PM »

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Quote from: action781 on January 27, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
I generally don't empathize much for deaths of celebrities.  I probably have never had any meaningful human connection with them and I have no idea what kind of person they are.

There is one part of this tragedy I can empathize with -- that is watching that video which surfaced just a month ago of Kobe and Gianna courtside at the basketball game.

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1208552113271382023

 I can appreciate in that video the joy and happiness that Kobe gets out of the sport of basketball and I can imagine how much joy and fulfillment he gets being able to share that joy and bond over that with his daughter.  As a father of my first daughter just 5 months ago, I myself dream of having those kinds of moments with her.  So I can relate to Kobe in that way and it saddens me that many more of those truly joyful moments which life is all about have been lost for Kobe and Gianna.

It's just a tragic tale all round.  :(
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2020, 02:30:03 PM »

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Kobe Bryant started using helicopters as a player as a way to maintain his body and spend more time with his family:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=rex+chapman+kobe&form=EDGSPH&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&plvar=0&refig=d052a63c27594d849c1e2323b42fbe85&PC=HCTS&sp=-1&pq=rex+chapman+kobe&sc=8-16&qs=n&sk=&cvid=d052a63c27594d849c1e2323b42fbe85

The link includes an interview from Rex Chapman's tiktok account.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2020, 03:22:35 PM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on January 27, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
I am too melancholy today to post much of anything.  I truly appreciate the posts everyone has put up.  They help all of us to process this shocking news.

Quote from: action781 on January 27, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsPR/status/1221610980347666433

Wonder how many other teams will follow suit

This seems like too much. It's not like he broke the color barrier for the sport or anything even close to that kind of impact. It's not like he was the greatest player of all time. He didn't die while on the job. He was an icon. And as unique and iconic as Kobe was, the league has had many icons before him and will after him. If Cuban wants to do that for the Mavs, then I have no business in telling him otherwise. I don't think other teams should necessarily follow suit.
That's right you don't.

Please don't minimize Kobe's contributions to this sport and to his iconic nature.  He was a hero to many young kids, black or otherwise.  He is one of the greatest of all time. He was admired by teammates, adversaries and media.  He was a positive public figure outside of basketball as well.

There’s nothing wrong with what he said, no need to jump all over him just because you don’t agree

I think a league wide retirement of his number is too much as well, it doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate or want to minimize his accomplishments and contributions.  Roberto Clemente died tragically the same way Kobe did and was just as accomplished as a player and the MLB didn’t retire his number. 
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2020, 05:19:02 PM »

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Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 26, 2020, 05:43:36 PM
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Never forget that he raped someone


He did possibly rape someone.  You just don't sweep that under the rug because he died.

But discuss it NOW? HERE?

Classless.

I'm Not really sure how I feel about it.   I'd like to hear what other people think before weighing in.
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Re: Re: TMZ Report: Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2020, 05:38:31 PM »

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Quote from: IDreamCeltics on January 27, 2020, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 26, 2020, 05:43:36 PM
Quote from: tazzmaniac on January 26, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
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Quote from: CelticsElite on January 26, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Never forget that he raped someone


He did possibly rape someone.  You just don't sweep that under the rug because he died.

But discuss it NOW? HERE?

Classless.

I'm Not really sure how I feel about it.   I'd like to hear what other people think before weighing in.

Roy has already - aptly - addressed this.

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I'll be waiting if you choose.

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2020, 05:50:37 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2020, 07:30:38 PM »

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PP says the NBA should retire Kobe's number around every arena and change the logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsO0dWUp97Y
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2020, 07:40:15 PM »

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Quote from: Jvalin on January 27, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
PP says the NBA should retire Kobe's number around every arena and change the logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsO0dWUp97Y

It won’t be the first or last time Paul is wrong.

Kobe isn’t even the best player of his era. It sucks that he died at 41, but what happens when Lebron / Larry / Magic / Bill die?
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2020, 07:44:44 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on January 27, 2020, 07:40:15 PM
Quote from: Jvalin on January 27, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
PP says the NBA should retire Kobe's number around every arena and change the logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsO0dWUp97Y

It won’t be the first or last time Paul is wrong.

Kobe isn’t even the best player of his era. It sucks that he died at 41, but what happens when Lebron / Larry / Magic / Bill die?

Those deaths WILL be tragic, Roy.

But the MANNER in which we've lost Kobe.....the shock of it all..not only Kobe BUT his daughter and the seven others...

That is what - IMO - some here are failing to grasp.

For Kobe, especially - he was JUST beginning the next chapter of his life.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2020, 07:53:45 PM »

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Quote from: Jvalin on January 27, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
PP says the NBA should retire Kobe's number around every arena and change the logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsO0dWUp97Y

Pierce will always be my favorite player of all time, but sometimes I think that he shouldn’t be someone whose opinions are broadcasted nationally.

Much respect to Kobe and the Bryant family, but retiring his number across the league just because he died young would be such overkill and a knee jerk reaction.
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