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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticG1 on February 01, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
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I think for the Celtics to be at their best moving forward Jeff Green needs to be playing extended pf min. He's not great defensively or rebounding there but neither is Bass or Wilcox.
It gives a new look and maybe can change thebdynamic of the team a bit.
Also think Terry should start getting heavier minutes (prob obvious) but we should give him a shot to run this team or at least try and carry them offensively for extended amounts of time
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I think for the Celtics to be at their best moving forward Jeff Green needs to be playing extended pf min. He's not great defensively or rebounding there but neither is Bass or Wilcox.
It gives a new look and maybe can change thebdynamic of the team a bit.
Also think Terry should start getting heavier minutes (prob obvious) but we should give him a shot to run this team or at least try and carry them offensively for extended amounts of time
Hmm.
Starting Bradley, Lee, Pierce, Green, and KG would make Green the likely 2nd option on offense. That might be pretty good.
Clearing things up w/the 2nd unit by moving up Green opens up scoring opportunities for JET and Barbosa to score more and run a pick/pop with Bass, which should be pretty good, too.
As much as I don't like Green at PF, this might make the most sense.
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Green at PF is not good. I think I'd rather have Pierce play PF with Green at SF if we're going that route.
About the only time I like seeing Green at PF is when we face LeBron/Melo, or other SF's masquerading as PF's.
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We might be forced into it now just by pure numbers and depth but I've never been a big fan of Green at the 4.
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I agree. I like Green at the 4 with Paul at the 3, particularly when you consider that the top two teams in the East like playing their superstar small forwards as power forwards.
Doc also ran a bit of Jeff at the two with Paul at the three in the Sacto game. That's the kind of ability-to-guard-multiple-positions flexibility that I've been hoping for out of Jeff Green.
I feel like the kid is starting to pay off.
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Green at PF is not good. I think I'd rather have Pierce play PF with Green at SF if we're going that route.
About the only time I like seeing Green at PF is when we face LeBron/Melo, or other SF's masquerading as PF's.
I don't think it matters who is the 3 and who is the 4. They will pic up who ever they match up with better, and run the same plays.
It's like when people say Sully is at the C ad KG at the PF, and usally Kg is playing the Center, unless the Center isn't as athletic as the PF.
So it would just be a matter of do you want them on the floor at the beginning of the game at the same time.
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Theoretical reasons to play Green at the 4:
1) More athletic than most 4's, better transition opportunities
2) Quicker with more range than most 4's, could lead to offensive mismatches
Probable Outcomes, based on Green's career;
1) Overall weakening of an already weak rebounding unit. Green's rebounding at the 4 would be among the league's worst from the power forward position
2) overall weakening of the frontcourt, weakening the unit as a whole. Green has shown zero ability to play acceptable defense against bigger stronger opposing 4's
3) a slight offensive advantage from Green, but not one big enough to compensate for points 1 and 2
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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I have to think we stick with what is finally starting to work. JG at the 3 backing up PP, and reducing Paul's minutes so Green can get between 25-35 min a game. JG just isn't an effective PF.
We have had enough changes to the lineups this year, with tinkering early, and with injuries now. Keep JG mainly at the 3 and only move him to the 4 when we want that matchup on D (melo/LBJ).
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
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I have to think we stick with what is finally starting to work. JG at the 3 backing up PP, and reducing Paul's minutes so Green can get between 25-35 min a game. JG just isn't an effective PF.
We have had enough changes to the lineups this year, with tinkering early, and with injuries now. Keep JG mainly at the 3 and only move him to the 4 when we want that matchup on D (melo/LBJ).
This makes the most sense. Pray Wilcox can get healthy, that Bass comes around.
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
jumps higher than lebron? nope, Lebron is probably the most athletic player ever, or top 5 at least.
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Theoretical reasons to play Green at the 4:
1) More athletic than most 4's, better transition opportunities
2) Quicker with more range than most 4's, could lead to offensive mismatches
Probable Outcomes, based on Green's career;
1) Overall weakening of an already weak rebounding unit. Green's rebounding at the 4 would be among the league's worst from the power forward position
2) overall weakening of the frontcourt, weakening the unit as a whole. Green has shown zero ability to play acceptable defense against bigger stronger opposing 4's
3) a slight offensive advantage from Green, but not one big enough to compensate for points 1 and 2
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
The thing is he is still probably a better option than bass and clearly Wilcox. Its more about necessity than anything. Bottom line I think more floor time for him gives us a better chance to win at this point
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
jumps higher than lebron? nope, Lebron is probably the most athletic player ever, or top 5 at least.
trust me, Green jumps higher. Lebron is athletic but doesn't have the highest vertical
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
jumps higher than lebron? nope, Lebron is probably the most athletic player ever, or top 5 at least.
Id classify Eric Bledsoe for just as athletic as lebron given their height/weight differences
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
jumps higher than lebron? nope, Lebron is probably the most athletic player ever, or top 5 at least.
Id classify Eric Bledsoe for just as athletic as lebron given their height/weight differences
Here is the thing about athleticism: Height and weight matter, a lot. Eric Bledseo jumps higher, runs faster, and has better lateral quickness than Lebron, but he's only marginally more athletic than most guys his own height. Lebron meanwhile is faster, quicker, stronger, and more co-or donated than virtually anyone his own size in the history of the game. There are athletic freaks on Lebron's level, but precious few of them could put it together like Lebron can.
And Oddly enough, the perfect example is Shaquille O'Neal. Sure, he was slower and couldnt jump any higher than just about any 1, 2, 3, or 4 in the league. But he was stronger, faster, quicker, more explosive, and more co-ordinated as a package than any 7 footer who has ever played.
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He is a better SF
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Anyone else think Green is one of the best dunkers in the league? He is taller and jumps higher than lebron.
A 6'9 dunking the way he does, its just plain unfair. Two dunks tonight. Eventually every other possession he will start dunking it =]
jumps higher than lebron? nope, Lebron is probably the most athletic player ever, or top 5 at least.
Id classify Eric Bledsoe for just as athletic as lebron given their height/weight differences
Here is the thing about athleticism: Height and weight matter, a lot. Eric Bledseo jumps higher, runs faster, and has better lateral quickness than Lebron, but he's only marginally more athletic than most guys his own height. Lebron meanwhile is faster, quicker, stronger, and more co-or donated than virtually anyone his own size in the history of the game. There are athletic freaks on Lebron's level, but precious few of them could put it together like Lebron can.
And Oddly enough, the perfect example is Shaquille O'Neal. Sure, he was slower and couldnt jump any higher than just about any 1, 2, 3, or 4 in the league. But he was stronger, faster, quicker, more explosive, and more co-ordinated as a package than any 7 footer who has ever played.
Jason Collins vs Shaq 5 mile race. Who wins!
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I have to think we stick with what is finally starting to work. JG at the 3 backing up PP, and reducing Paul's minutes so Green can get between 25-35 min a game. JG just isn't an effective PF.
We have had enough changes to the lineups this year, with tinkering early, and with injuries now. Keep JG mainly at the 3 and only move him to the 4 when we want that matchup on D (melo/LBJ).
Jeff's been getting a lot of minutes at the four lately, though. That is a big part of what's been working. He also played some minutes with Paul in the Sacramento game where they were playing the 2 and the 3 together.
That's the versatility and flexibility Doc's been saying that he wanted Jeff to bring to this team. I'm not sure why it's taken him this long to start utilizing it more.
I don't want Jeff Green pigeon holed in to one role (backup small forward, for example). I like him being used in multiple roles.
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I have to think we stick with what is finally starting to work. JG at the 3 backing up PP, and reducing Paul's minutes so Green can get between 25-35 min a game. JG just isn't an effective PF.
We have had enough changes to the lineups this year, with tinkering early, and with injuries now. Keep JG mainly at the 3 and only move him to the 4 when we want that matchup on D (melo/LBJ).
Jeff's been getting a lot of minutes at the four lately, though. That is a big part of what's been working. He also played some minutes with Paul in the Sacramento game where they were playing the 2 and the 3 together.
That's the versatility and flexibility Doc's been saying that he wanted Jeff to bring to this team. I'm not sure why it's taken him this long to start utilizing it more.
I don't want Jeff Green pigeon holed in to one role (backup small forward, for example). I like him being used in multiple roles.
I think the critical thing is that matchups are critical. Against Lebron, I think Green can pull it off. Melo too. Against Pau Gasol? Paul Millsap? Blake Griffin? It's a slaughter that makes the difference between a win and a loss.
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I have to think we stick with what is finally starting to work. JG at the 3 backing up PP, and reducing Paul's minutes so Green can get between 25-35 min a game. JG just isn't an effective PF.
We have had enough changes to the lineups this year, with tinkering early, and with injuries now. Keep JG mainly at the 3 and only move him to the 4 when we want that matchup on D (melo/LBJ).
Jeff's been getting a lot of minutes at the four lately, though. That is a big part of what's been working. He also played some minutes with Paul in the Sacramento game where they were playing the 2 and the 3 together.
That's the versatility and flexibility Doc's been saying that he wanted Jeff to bring to this team. I'm not sure why it's taken him this long to start utilizing it more.
I don't want Jeff Green pigeon holed in to one role (backup small forward, for example). I like him being used in multiple roles.
I think the critical thing is that matchups are critical. Against Lebron, I think Green can pull it off. Melo too. Against Pau Gasol? Paul Millsap? Blake Griffin? It's a slaughter that makes the difference between a win and a loss.
I agree. It's all about the match ups. It was interesting in the last Miami game, I found myself thinking that Spoelstra would have been better off replacing Battier with Haslem down the stretch of that game. If he had done that, would that have forced Doc to take Green or Pierce out of the game? We needed both of those guys down the stretch. Green for his D on Lebron and Pierce for, well, everything else.
I just loved that. It was great coaching by Doc. He definitely won that chess match by outMiamiing Miami.
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I'd like to apologize for the sentence 'the critical thing is that matchups are critical'. I will drink a beer as penance, and pray that is sufficient.
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I'd like to apologize for the sentence 'the critical thing is that matchups are critical'. I will drink a beer as penance, and pray that is sufficient.
It may take two or three (more) to atone.
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I'd like to apologize for the sentence 'the critical thing is that matchups are critical'. I will drink a beer as penance, and pray that is sufficient.
It make take two or three (more) to atone.
Done and done.
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I'd like to apologize for the sentence 'the critical thing is that matchups are critical'. I will drink a beer as penance, and pray that is sufficient.
Indeed proceed, I believe you should proceed indeed.
Sorry, couldnt stop myself.