Celtics Have a Meeting with Dwight Howard

[boscel33]

Do Durant and Howard get along?

[kozlodoev]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

[number_n9ne]

Do Durant and Howard get along?

I do not believe so.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2014/11/17/kevin-durant-reportedly-tells-dwight-howard-youre-a-p/

[rondohondo]

Wade to the Knicks would be interesting

Road
Wade
Memo
Porzingis

[jpotter33]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

EDIT: Honestly, the more I think about it, stylistically that's a nearly perfect pairing to add to this group. It also follows the 4 out/1 in philosophy that SVG has perfected over his coaching years.

[number_n9ne]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Awful? Really? Do you watch basketball? We add to our 48 win core an elite shot blocking/rebounding center and a combo forward (who's 6'10 and played minutes at the 4 in Huston and Dallas, so relax) who shoots the 3 ball at a high clip and we become "awful". We want guys who can play multiple positions and are versatile. Parsons fits the bill.

[number_n9ne]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

Thank you. Also, Parsons is a 6 year vet, which means maxing him out will be a steal compared to a 7 year vet, who can command 30% of the cap. I don't know the numbers, but if someone wants to look and see what his max would be I'd be interested.

[kozlodoev]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

Chandler Parsons has averaged 67 games a season over his NBA career, and has never played full-time PF. I don't think I can properly verbalize how much I hate the idea of giving him any sort of a significant contract.

[jpotter33]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

Chandler Parsons has averaged 67 games a season over his NBA career, and has never played full-time PF. I don't think I can properly verbalize how much I hate the idea of giving him any sort of a significant contract.

But I agree with you on the injury part. It is definitely concerning. However, fit-wise, you can't argue that that is seemingly a very good fit for Brad's philosophy. He'd also be a much cheaper contract due to being a 6-year vet, as n9ne said above.

Would you do 1 + 1 contracts with both of them if they were willing (and we struck out on everything else)?

[Pucaccia]

Dwight is still dominant and as said on this thread, he is better than anyone we have.
Think about it.
When he was in Orlando he was everything and he performed.
When he went to the Lakers, they were dysfunctional and Kobe is a ball hog.
In Houston, the first year they had they were dominant but Harden took most of the shots.
At 30, he might be just what we need.
The only thing that bothers me is his FT  shooting.

[kozlodoev]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

Chandler Parsons has averaged 67 games a season over his NBA career, and has never played full-time PF. I don't think I can properly verbalize how much I hate the idea of giving him any sort of a significant contract.

But I agree with you on the injury part. It is definitely concerning. However, fit-wise, you can't argue that that is seemingly a very good fit for Brad's philosophy. He'd also be a much cheaper contract due to being a 6-year vet, as n9ne said above.

Would you do 1 + 1 contracts with both of them if they were willing (and we struck out on everything else)?

If he can be had on something resembling Amir's contract, sure -- and only as a last resort. Anything else I feel is setting us up to fail.

[hwangjini_1]

Wow! That is interesting, and it really shows you how much our status has risen around the league in the last several years. Remember two years ago when he wouldn't even agree to meet with us?

I think it's more of an indication of how his status has fallen -- I don't think he can afford to snub any teams any longer.

indeed. we arent talking about the 2011 howard anymore. first, he is not just 30, but a 30 with a lot of minutes played. ( an average of 35.3/g over his 12 year career).

next, his offense is in decline. he's no longer a game changer on that end. now, his offense is primarily from tip-ins, and he's getting fewer of them than before.

his usage is down significantly. last season it was 18.4, the lowest since his rookie season. his career usage is 23.0. in previous years, usage was 23 to 27.

most of the advanced metrics (WS, def +/_,  etc.) indicate a player who is entering the decline part of a long career.

would howard help with rebounds and general defense on the celtics? probably. he still has some skills and can be effective, but not as effective as he once was.

i believe howard is closing in on being a role player. i am not convinced paying him the max (and i dont think he will get the max) over 4 years is a wise use of the salary cap.

[billysan]

For me I think we have to trust Danny and Brad to decide if we want to deal with Howard.

I prefer Horford but in either case I think we have to keep Amir as a backup for 15 or 20 mpg.

That with Olynyk starting at PF would be a more than adequate rotation of bigs with Mickey getting spot minutes.

If we got neither then we should go after Zach Randolph or another veteran bigman as a backup to Amir. Otherwise we could end up with Sullinger and Zeller again. No thanks

[heyvik]

If we strike out on the Durant+Horford combo I'd be happy to give Dwight a 1+1 max and then ink his best buddy Parsons to a max to play the 4. The defense on this team would be unreal and adding Parsons as a 3 point threat (career 38% 3pt shooter) would be help one of our biggest weaknesses. Try and move Young and Rozier for a future first. Sign Ekpe Udoh to a vet min. as depth.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Bradley/Hunter
Crowder/Brown
Parsons/Mickey/Bentil
Howard/Olynyk/Udoh/Zizic

That's actually not a bad idea. I was wondering about Parsons as a potential option at the 4 for us. Pretty good defender, too. He'd essentially work like Deng at the 4 in Miami.

I think it elevates us to at least #2 in the East. You're just one break out star away from contending with CLE 

This elevates us to being awful. The only reason to consider moving Crowder to full-time PF is if we have Durant. Otherwise, you'll be a stronger team starting a real PF over Parsons.

Outside of their injury history, which is legitimately concerning, I don't see what the issue would be. He's a perfect small-ball four in the modern NBA that can stretch the floor, and with Dwight at center, you can get away with it due to his elite rebounding and rim protection. And though only being about 230 lbs., Parsons is also 6'10", which is pretty good size for the 4.

I'd be leery about giving them both max contracts for long-term, but I do think it'd be a fairly good pairing, especially for Brad's defensive philosophy that values defensive versatility.

Chandler Parsons has averaged 67 games a season over his NBA career, and has never played full-time PF. I don't think I can properly verbalize how much I hate the idea of giving him any sort of a significant contract.

This....scared of Parsons' knees AND the injuries have all happened at the wrong time.

[chambers]

Nylon Calculus says he'll get 14.5 million x 5 years.
I'd give him a 4 year x 15 million deal.

if we could get 3-4 good years out of him that would be an absolute bargain IMO.
if he's cooked by age 32 we'd just have to stretch him and it would still only be 13% of the cap.





http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/06/29/a-model-for-nba-free-agent-earnings/