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Re: Ainge Knows Something We Don’t...
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2019, 08:33:12 PM »

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So Ainge and Wyc seem pretty cool considering the circumstances. Ainge even stated he knows something we don’t. What if it’s this:

1) Trade in the works to move Brown and Yabu for a future first-round pick

2) Waive the rights to Rozier.

Result: Ainge has removed the two young players who may have been the root cause of the locker room frustrations this year. In the process, we have about $42 million in cap space.

3) Sign KD to a super-max.

4) Re-sign Kyrie to a super-max with Bird Rights.

Result: KD is given a commitment and we continue to commit to Hayward, rehabilitating our image following IT. KD has access to Mass General and Harvard for his rehab. KD now can build his own legacy and join Celtics lore, something he may regret not pursuing in 1016. We now officially have two top ten superstars for 2020-2021, potentially three if Tatum grows in 2019-2020.

5) Re-sign Morris as our sixth man.

6) Use MLE on a traditional center.

7) Sign ring-chasing vets to minimum contracts.

Hand the keys to Kyrie and let Tatum and Hayward continue to improve. Head into 2020-2021 with the following:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
KD
MLE center who can rebound/defend

Depth: Smart, Morris, Williams, 2019 rookies, 2020 rookie(s), ring-chasing vets

Celtics Vs. Lakers in June 2021!




Sounds like a video game enthusiast.

Disagree. A video game won’t allow you to do this
Yeah, video game trade machines have to abide by the rules of the collective bargaining agreement otherwise, so much for claiming you have a real life, general manager simulator as part of your franchise game playing mode.

Reputable trade machines across the internet also strictly adhere to all the rules of the CBA. Makes you wonder why people wouldn't use them if they aren't familiar with teams' cap situations or trade rules.

Re: Ainge Knows Something We Don’t...
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2019, 09:20:17 PM »

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I see all kinds of cap analysis here which maybe tells you why Ainge didn't go after Davis.

The Celtics can't afford 3 maxes. Whether it be KI,Horford and Hayward in '19; or in '20 Davis, Hayward and KI or Horford, etc.

As it is, they can't do both Horford and KI , but they can do one of these--or a Kemba or KD or a Boogie. One of those.

Now if they can pull off a trade, they might be able to have room for a center and a PG.

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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2019, 09:27:02 PM »

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Weirdly, I think we are better off, long term, with Kyrie and Al leaving. 

Heck, you could even make the argument for the short-term.

Running back our team last year is a bad idea.  49 wins is what that team was worth.

Bringing in new blood, plus the space for Tatum, Hayward and Brown to flourish, is value. Strategic use of cap space by Ainge, while maintaining roster and cap flexibility to be ready to pounce on the next big trade opportunity (they seem to crop up once a year) is sound team building.

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2019, 09:32:56 PM »

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So Ainge and Wyc seem pretty cool considering the circumstances. Ainge even stated he knows something we don’t. What if it’s this:

1) Trade in the works to move Brown and Yabu for a future first-round pick

2) Waive the rights to Rozier.

Result: Ainge has removed the two young players who may have been the root cause of the locker room frustrations this year. In the process, we have about $42 million in cap space.

3) Sign KD to a super-max.

4) Re-sign Kyrie to a super-max with Bird Rights.

Result: KD is given a commitment and we continue to commit to Hayward, rehabilitating our image following IT. KD has access to Mass General and Harvard for his rehab. KD now can build his own legacy and join Celtics lore, something he may regret not pursuing in 1016. We now officially have two top ten superstars for 2020-2021, potentially three if Tatum grows in 2019-2020.

5) Re-sign Morris as our sixth man.

6) Use MLE on a traditional center.

7) Sign ring-chasing vets to minimum contracts.

Hand the keys to Kyrie and let Tatum and Hayward continue to improve. Head into 2020-2021 with the following:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
KD
MLE center who can rebound/defend

Depth: Smart, Morris, Williams, 2019 rookies, 2020 rookie(s), ring-chasing vets

Celtics Vs. Lakers in June 2021!
Trade Jaylen, bring back Kyrie sign KD and his achilles to a super max and bring Morris back - I think I need to vomit.

Maybe take a second rounder for Brown if he agrees to leave an Achilles behind for KD to use next season?

This has gotten ridiculous.

Just how is Ainge going to "get a second rounder for Brown" if he only has one Achilles? Sure enough, if the two players swap, Brown is out for the season anyways.

Durant is taller than Brown, therefore, they'd have to lengthen Brown's Achilles or shorten Durant's which is very painful (see wiki: Achilles shortening surgery), all of this Achilles swapping crap is just wrong. They tried it in the early 70's and it was a disaster.

Just cut it out.


psssst lighten up, I think he was tongue in cheek. Sheesh!!!

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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2019, 09:37:32 PM »

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So Ainge and Wyc seem pretty cool considering the circumstances. Ainge even stated he knows something we don’t. What if it’s this:

1) Trade in the works to move Brown and Yabu for a future first-round pick

2) Waive the rights to Rozier.

Result: Ainge has removed the two young players who may have been the root cause of the locker room frustrations this year. In the process, we have about $42 million in cap space.

3) Sign KD to a super-max.

4) Re-sign Kyrie to a super-max with Bird Rights.

Result: KD is given a commitment and we continue to commit to Hayward, rehabilitating our image following IT. KD has access to Mass General and Harvard for his rehab. KD now can build his own legacy and join Celtics lore, something he may regret not pursuing in 1016. We now officially have two top ten superstars for 2020-2021, potentially three if Tatum grows in 2019-2020.

5) Re-sign Morris as our sixth man.

6) Use MLE on a traditional center.

7) Sign ring-chasing vets to minimum contracts.

Hand the keys to Kyrie and let Tatum and Hayward continue to improve. Head into 2020-2021 with the following:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
KD
MLE center who can rebound/defend

Depth: Smart, Morris, Williams, 2019 rookies, 2020 rookie(s), ring-chasing vets

Celtics Vs. Lakers in June 2021!

1016? Didnt know that KD was that long in the tooth.

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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2019, 09:39:59 PM »

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So Ainge and Wyc seem pretty cool considering the circumstances. Ainge even stated he knows something we don’t. What if it’s this:

1) Trade in the works to move Brown and Yabu for a future first-round pick

2) Waive the rights to Rozier.

Result: Ainge has removed the two young players who may have been the root cause of the locker room frustrations this year. In the process, we have about $42 million in cap space.

3) Sign KD to a super-max.

4) Re-sign Kyrie to a super-max with Bird Rights.

Result: KD is given a commitment and we continue to commit to Hayward, rehabilitating our image following IT. KD has access to Mass General and Harvard for his rehab. KD now can build his own legacy and join Celtics lore, something he may regret not pursuing in 1016. We now officially have two top ten superstars for 2020-2021, potentially three if Tatum grows in 2019-2020.

5) Re-sign Morris as our sixth man.

6) Use MLE on a traditional center.

7) Sign ring-chasing vets to minimum contracts.

Hand the keys to Kyrie and let Tatum and Hayward continue to improve. Head into 2020-2021 with the following:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
KD
MLE center who can rebound/defend

Depth: Smart, Morris, Williams, 2019 rookies, 2020 rookie(s), ring-chasing vets

Celtics Vs. Lakers in June 2021!

1016? Didnt know that KD was that long in the tooth.

That Celtics 1016 team had a lot of heart!

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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2019, 09:46:17 PM »

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This team stunk and it is not Kyrie’s fault. Kyrie needs an elite player paired with him. If there is a way to bring his buddy KD onboard, we have to pursue it at all costs. Can one of our cap experts tell us if we move all of our players for assorted draft picks and retain only the following players, how much can we offer KD and Kyrie:

Hayward - Need to rehab our image and he could become that third guy

Tatum - In case Durant never returns to form

Smart - Need a stronger defender next to Kyrie

That’s bringing back three guys who apparently did not have a problem with Kyrie. How much can we offer KD and Kyrie in this scenario? Let’s imagine KD takes slightly less than the max, to account for being absent this year, but insists on three years with a player option for the fourth year and a NTC. Kyrie gets close to the max with a four year deal and fifth year player option and a NTC.

Kyrie and KD get max years, over $100 million a piece and NTC to control their destiny. Ainge gets to rehabilitate his image by committing to KD, Hayward and Kyrie, and a shot at a championship (he had KG and Pierce with NTCs so it could happen). We still keep Tatum and Smart, and rebuild our youth through the draft the next four years.
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Re: Ainge Knows Something We Don’t...
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2019, 09:50:56 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2019, 09:56:06 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.
Basically what the Lakers have, but out East and with a more severe injury cloud. Yuck
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2019, 10:02:42 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.

Stevens can work wonders (Turner, Jerebko, etc.)

Superstars win championships, not depth. That’s why the Raptors got swept by LeBron in 2018 and then won it all with Kawhi in 2019.

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2019, 10:06:01 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.
Basically what the Lakers have, but out East and with a more severe injury cloud. Yuck

Lakers are the favorites now, at least among people putting their money where their mouth is. We need to match their stardom or we will watch the Lakers get their 17th championship before we get our 18th.

Superstars or bust.

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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2019, 10:06:49 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.

Stevens can work wonders (Turner, Jerebko, etc.)

Superstars win championships, not depth. That’s why the Raptors got swept by LeBron in 2018 and then won it all with Kawhi in 2019.
I don't know how you can ignore heroic bench performances from the likes of Van Vleet and Ibaka, lol.
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2019, 10:09:16 PM »

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your plan places a total of 5 players on the celtics roster. the team would need to sign a boatload of flotsam and jetsam to fill the roster.

with that for a bench, i dont think the team would do that well.

Stevens can work wonders (Turner, Jerebko, etc.)

Superstars win championships, not depth. That’s why the Raptors got swept by LeBron in 2018 and then won it all with Kawhi in 2019.
I don't know how you can ignore heroic bench performances from the likes of Van Vleet and Ibaka, lol.

We’ve seen Stevens pull such performances out of the likes of Jerebko and Turner. Our superstar coach will create decent depth to support our superstars.

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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2019, 10:11:51 PM »

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This team stunk and it is not Kyrie’s fault. Kyrie needs an elite player paired with him. If there is a way to bring his buddy KD onboard, we have to pursue it at all costs. Can one of our cap experts tell us if we move all of our players for assorted draft picks and retain only the following players, how much can we offer KD and Kyrie:

Hayward - Need to rehab our image and he could become that third guy

Tatum - In case Durant never returns to form

Smart - Need a stronger defender next to Kyrie

That’s bringing back three guys who apparently did not have a problem with Kyrie. How much can we offer KD and Kyrie in this scenario? Let’s imagine KD takes slightly less than the max, to account for being absent this year, but insists on three years with a player option and a NTC. Kyrie gets close to the max with a 4+1 PO and a NTC.
Hayward $32.7 million
Smart $12.5 million
Tatum $7.8 million

That's $53 million in salary but you have to account for player cap holds.

Kyrie's cap hold until he signs: $30.1 million.
8 empty roster slot cap holds of ~$900,000 each: $7.2 million.

Salary cap:$109 million
Salary: $53 million
Cap holds: $37.3 million
Total cap space available to offer Durant: $18.7 million(109-53-37.3=18.7).

Thinking your scenario won't work.

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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2019, 10:21:22 PM »

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So Ainge and Wyc seem pretty cool considering the circumstances. Ainge even stated he knows something we don’t. What if it’s this:

1) Trade in the works to move Brown and Yabu for a future first-round pick

2) Waive the rights to Rozier.

Result: Ainge has removed the two young players who may have been the root cause of the locker room frustrations this year. In the process, we have about $42 million in cap space.

3) Sign KD to a super-max.

4) Re-sign Kyrie to a super-max with Bird Rights.

Result: KD is given a commitment and we continue to commit to Hayward, rehabilitating our image following IT. KD has access to Mass General and Harvard for his rehab. KD now can build his own legacy and join Celtics lore, something he may regret not pursuing in 1016. We now officially have two top ten superstars for 2020-2021, potentially three if Tatum grows in 2019-2020.

5) Re-sign Morris as our sixth man.

6) Use MLE on a traditional center.

7) Sign ring-chasing vets to minimum contracts.

Hand the keys to Kyrie and let Tatum and Hayward continue to improve. Head into 2020-2021 with the following:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
KD
MLE center who can rebound/defend

Depth: Smart, Morris, Williams, 2019 rookies, 2020 rookie(s), ring-chasing vets

Celtics Vs. Lakers in June 2021!

1016? Didnt know that KD was that long in the tooth.

That Celtics 1016 team had a lot of heart!

Celtics from that era fought crusaders and barbarians ;D