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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on August 23, 2018, 04:29:47 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24454530/nba-expected-pass-rule-changes-including-changing-shot-clock-14-seconds-offensive-rebound
I don’t think the new clear path or hostile act changes are as big as the shot clock change
The NBA's board of governors are expected to pass rule changes for the 2018-19 season that include resetting the shot clock after an offensive rebound to 14 seconds from 24, simplifying the clear-path foul rule and expanding the definition of the "hostile act" to more easily trigger instant replay, league sources told ESPN.
The NBA believes that the resetting of the shot clock to 14 seconds after offensive rebounds will increase shot attempts, especially at the end of close games. The NBA studied FIBA's implementation of the rule in 2014, as well as its use in G League, WNBA and NBA summer league games.
Under the changes to the clear-path rule, a clear path to the basket would be in play in these three instances:
• "A personal foul is committed on any offensive player during his team's transition scoring opportunity."
• "When the foul occurs, the ball is ahead of the tip of the circle in the backcourt, no defensive player is ahead of the offensive player with the scoring opportunity and that offensive player is in control of the ball or a pass to him has been released."
• "The defensive foul deprives the offensive team of a transition scoring opportunity."
In the instance of a clear-path foul, the team is given two free throw attempts and possession on the sideline closest to where the foul happened.
The NBA says that rule would eliminate the need that a play start in the backcourt. Referees would no longer "need to make a judgment call on whether a defender was 'between' the offensive player and the basket, or, if a defender is ahead of the player being fouled but not 'between' the offensive player and the basket, whether such defender had the opportunity to position himself between the ball and the basket."
The expanded definition of the "hostile act" to trigger instant replay would now extend beyond interaction with another player to also include a hostile interaction with a referee, coach or a fan.
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I like the idea in general. Should make the game more exciting. (Yes, I know it already is).
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I like the proposed Clear Path rule and "Hostile Act" replay review. I always thought it was strange that a defender fouling to stop a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 break was not punishable.
I don't like the proposed shot clock rule. I think it lessens the importance of defensive rebounding at the end of close games (makes the defending team "hurt less" if they give up an offensive rebound at the end of a game and perhaps gives said team a fast break opportunity if the offensive team rushes a shot attempt).
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We would have won game 7 of the 2010 Finals if this shot clock rule was in place back then.
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I like the proposed Clear Path rule and "Hostile Act" replay review. I always thought it was strange that a defender fouling to stop a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 break was not punishable.
I don't like the proposed shot clock rule. I think it lessens the importance of defensive rebounding at the end of close games (makes the defending team "hurt less" if they give up an offensive rebound at the end of a game and perhaps gives said team a fast break opportunity if the offensive team rushes a shot attempt).
Valid point on the shot clock change. I think the league's focus on these rule changes though is to keep the pace of the game up, and increase shot attempts as well as offensive opportunities. Offense is a bigger seller than defense is, and although most hoop heads appreciate a good defender, the casual fan appreciates pace and scoring, and the casual fan is the main money maker for the NBA.
The change is pretty drastic, but I don't have a major problem with it.
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I like the rule changes.
Now they need to widen the court.
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I like it as well. It forces a faster paced game, while also rewarding a defense for forcing a missed shot, even if they don't get the rebound.
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What a terrible rule change. The shot clock is fine, so they screw with it. The absence of traveling calls is a joke, but that goes unaddressed.
What the hell is wrong with these leagues that they feel the need to fix what's not broken, and to ignore what needs fixing?
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I like the shot clock change. It's what my national league uses, and it hasn't caused any trouble at all.
I also like the crackdown on those annoying fouls that would result in a open lay-up, but I hope it's implemented correctly
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What a terrible rule change. The shot clock is fine, so they screw with it. The absence of traveling calls is a joke, but that goes unaddressed.
What the hell is wrong with these leagues that they feel the need to fix what's not broken, and to ignore what needs fixing?
Travelling probably doesn't really bother as many people as you think
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We would have won game 7 of the 2010 Finals if this shot clock rule was in place back then.
Maybe, but maybe it wont stop the LAL from grabbing another rebound when they shoot it at 14 ;D
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what if you get multiple offensive rebounds on the same possession do you then reduce the time on the shot clock. First rebound, shot clock goes to 14 seconds. Second OR and shot clock goes to 10 seconds. Third OR and shot clock goes down to 5 seconds. That will speed up the pace. I think the shot clock change is huge.
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What a terrible rule change. The shot clock is fine, so they screw with it. The absence of traveling calls is a joke, but that goes unaddressed.
What the hell is wrong with these leagues that they feel the need to fix what's not broken, and to ignore what needs fixing?
Travelling probably doesn't really bother as many people as you think
I doubt that.
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What a terrible rule change. The shot clock is fine, so they screw with it. The absence of traveling calls is a joke, but that goes unaddressed.
What the hell is wrong with these leagues that they feel the need to fix what's not broken, and to ignore what needs fixing?
Travelling probably doesn't really bother as many people as you think
I doubt that.
It definitely bothers basketball purists, of which this blog is mostly made up of. However, there are many more casual fans nowadays than there have ever been. These people typically don't care about Harden taking 3 steps on a step back jumper, or LeBron dunking it on someone after taking 3-4 steps, because it looks cool
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I like it!!
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it is a good rule change, the game is played like that internationaly(my self included, amateur league), it will speed things up a notch.
i have a problem with the video review system. coaches should be granted 2-3 challenges to kick the review, and be refunded if their claim is legitimate.
the refs are abusing the system, going to review on a sure call, just because some of the players complained, sometimes just to get their coach a free time out. and the game is killed in the last two minutes in that fasion, there are like 4-5 time outs and 2-3 reviews.
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I don't think this change was even remotely needed. Why fix it if it is not broke. Rewards bad rebounding teams and hurts good rebounding ones by limiting time.
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i have a problem with the video review system. coaches should be granted 2-3 challenges to kick the review, and be refunded if their claim is legitimate.
the refs are abusing the system, going to review on a sure call, just because some of the players complained, sometimes just to get their coach a free time out. and the game is killed in the last two minutes in that fasion, there are like 4-5 time outs and 2-3 reviews.
I think this particular rule change is very limited in scope:
The expanded definition of the "hostile act" to trigger instant replay would now extend beyond interaction with another player to also include a hostile interaction with a referee, coach or a fan.
If they want to review those things to see if an ejection is warranted, I have no problem with it.
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I feel like the hostile interaction with a ref change was partly inspired by that one time Marcus Morris slapped the ref on the behind.
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Goood for the likes of Golden State and Boston. This'll force them to shoot the 3-ball more efficiently (if they already aren't doing so). 14 seconds left, not enough time to get the ball in the lane or the rim so just settle for the outside shot. It's a 3-ball league now boys and girls.
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Goood for the likes of Golden State and Boston. This'll force them to shoot the 3-ball more efficiently (if they already aren't doing so). 14 seconds left, not enough time to get the ball in the lane or the rim so just settle for the outside shot. It's a 3-ball league now boys and girls.
14 seconds isn't enough to get the ball in the lane? Our offense in the 2016-17 playoffs didn't even start until there was ~14 seconds on the clock, with IT not crossing half until 16 (or later!). 14 seconds is plenty of time to run an offensive set
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This is a crosspost but who cares:
*climbs to top of highest mountain*
ALL THE 14 SECOND RULES WERE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL 10 SECONDS TO GET THE BALL PAST HALFCOURT, NOW THAT IT'S 8 THEY SHOULD ALL BE 16!!
*climbs down*
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This is a crosspost but who cares:
*climbs to top of highest mountain*
ALL THE 14 SECOND RULES WERE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL 10 SECONDS TO GET THE BALL PAST HALFCOURT, NOW THAT IT'S 8 THEY SHOULD ALL BE 16!!
*climbs down*
TP!
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This is a crosspost but who cares:
*climbs to top of highest mountain*
ALL THE 14 SECOND RULES WERE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL 10 SECONDS TO GET THE BALL PAST HALFCOURT, NOW THAT IT'S 8 THEY SHOULD ALL BE 16!!
*climbs down*
TP!
It's the dumbest thing to get mad about but it annoys me so much for some reason. It's just that the number had a rationale behind it and now it's basically arbitrary.
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Goood for the likes of Golden State and Boston. This'll force them to shoot the 3-ball more efficiently (if they already aren't doing so). 14 seconds left, not enough time to get the ball in the lane or the rim so just settle for the outside shot. It's a 3-ball league now boys and girls.
14 seconds isn't enough to get the ball in the lane? Our offense in the 2016-17 playoffs didn't even start until there was ~14 seconds on the clock, with IT not crossing half until 16 (or later!). 14 seconds is plenty of time to run an offensive set
i believe a large number of nba half court plays begin with about 14 seconds to go in the 24 clock, after the ball has been moved across midcourt. so this simply recognized that most half court plays do not need the full 24 seconds since no time was used in moving the ball up the court and into the offensive end. it is already there to start.
makes sense to me and speeds up the game.
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Isn’t the biggest impact really that when a team gets an O-board with less than 24 seconds left, the defensive team, if still in the game, does not need to foul to get the ball back? Actually... this plays out great to eliminate one automatic foul in the last 20 seconds of almost every close game. I like that it will force the rebounding team to use clock and shoot rather than having to make FTs to seal it.
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
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What a terrible rule change. The shot clock is fine, so they screw with it. The absence of traveling calls is a joke, but that goes unaddressed.
What the hell is wrong with these leagues that they feel the need to fix what's not broken, and to ignore what needs fixing?
Travelling probably doesn't really bother as many people as you think
I doubt that.
It definitely bothers basketball purists, of which this blog is mostly made up of. However, there are many more casual fans nowadays than there have ever been. These people typically don't care about Harden taking 3 steps on a step back jumper, or LeBron dunking it on someone after taking 3-4 steps, because it looks cool
And Kyrie taking 3 or more steps in fast break layups. Those stutter steps are so obvious yet no one notices them lol.
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
Soon there will no longer be a need for power forwards and especially centers. Just have a bunch of 6'4 - 6'8 guys playing PG-SG-SF, rebound, and just shoot 3's all day long. The objective is to score the most points in order to win the game, after all.
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
Soon there will no longer be a need for power forwards and especially centers. Just have a bunch of 6'4 - 6'8 guys playing PG-SG-SF, rebound, and just shoot 3's all day long. The objective is to score the most points in order to win the game, after all.
This would be an absolute nightmare to me.
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
Soon there will no longer be a need for power forwards and especially centers. Just have a bunch of 6'4 - 6'8 guys playing PG-SG-SF, rebound, and just shoot 3's all day long. The objective is to score the most points in order to win the game, after all.
This would be an absolute nightmare to me.
And I'd take Embiid and Davis and dominate that league. The league isn't getting smaller. Big guys are extending their shooting range and becoming better skilled overall. Start ranking the best players under 25 and you'll see a lot of 6'10 or bigger players.
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
Soon there will no longer be a need for power forwards and especially centers. Just have a bunch of 6'4 - 6'8 guys playing PG-SG-SF, rebound, and just shoot 3's all day long. The objective is to score the most points in order to win the game, after all.
This would be an absolute nightmare to me.
And I'd take Embiid and Davis and dominate that league. The league isn't getting smaller. Big guys are extending their shooting range and becoming better skilled overall. Start ranking the best players under 25 and you'll see a lot of 6'10 or bigger players.
Yeah, and even a guy like Embiid, who isn't a particularly good shooter from 3, is probably the second best big man in the league.
Plus, lots of the good teams in the league have big men getting substantial minutes. Davis, Adams, Capela, Gobert, Valanciunas & Ibaka, Nurkic, Turner and Aldridge all got significant minutes on teams that won lots of games
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With all the push in the NBA for smaller, faster guys now the norm instead of a trend, and with nobody looking back, I would love to see a team go fully the other way, sign a bunch of big guys and old school guards and just try to pound the ball inside all year, and fast break off of all the rebounds they will grab.
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I like it!!
Me too! resetting the clock will only do good for the game and easier job for the referees.
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wait and aee on all of it ...
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yes to the shot clock change! :D
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With all the push in the NBA for smaller, faster guys now the norm instead of a trend, and with nobody looking back, I would love to see a team go fully the other way, sign a bunch of big guys and old school guards and just try to pound the ball inside all year, and fast break off of all the rebounds they will grab.
I don't think it would work too well. Teams shoot the three far too well and the old school big guys are not able to guard the three point line well enough.
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Sources: The NBA’s Board of Governors passed rule changes for season that include: reset of shot clock to 14 seconds after offensive rebound; simplification of clear-path foul rule; expanding definition of "hostile act" for purposes of triggering replay.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1043215006186319874?s=21
The NBA's Board of Governors also passed an increase in retirement benefits for NBA GM's, coaches, trainers and senior basketball executives, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1043223644309278721?s=21
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It's a 3 ball league now boys and girls.
This is really what it amounts to, up and down, faster pace. Pretty soon it will be 6'4" to 6'8 guys streaking up and down then shooting. The big man and half court game will slowly disappear from the court. Very little strategy, just athleticism on display.
Ok maybe thats an exaggeration but thats how it feels.
Soon there will no longer be a need for power forwards and especially centers. Just have a bunch of 6'4 - 6'8 guys playing PG-SG-SF, rebound, and just shoot 3's all day long. The objective is to score the most points in order to win the game, after all.
This would be an absolute nightmare to me.
And I'd take Embiid and Davis and dominate that league. The league isn't getting smaller. Big guys are extending their shooting range and becoming better skilled overall. Start ranking the best players under 25 and you'll see a lot of 6'10 or bigger players.
I think that the league has gotten smaller - but size is still an advantage; it's just that the priorities are weighted toward skill and athleticism and away from brute strength ("three yards and a cloud of dust", as Pat Riley said). The rules changes in the last generation were designed to do exactly what they've in fact done, to make the game more fluid, to showcase skill and athleticism. It's not just a change in style, and a 1980's/1990's style team wouldn't mop up in today's rules environment, because they couldn't cover all that ground, couldn't exploit whatever post-up mismatches they had, couldn't stretch out the defense.
With all the push in the NBA for smaller, faster guys now the norm instead of a trend, and with nobody looking back, I would love to see a team go fully the other way, sign a bunch of big guys and old school guards and just try to pound the ball inside all year, and fast break off of all the rebounds they will grab.
I don't think it would work too well. Teams shoot the three far too well and the old school big guys are not able to guard the three point line well enough.
I agree.
The NBA has opened up the game, giving more value to skills. It isn't so much the 3-pt Era as it is the Pace and Space Era. Teams aren't standing around outside the arc; they are using the threat of the distance shot to open up the lane, and vice versa. Long 2's are not efficient shots in general, but there are a few rare players - like Kyrie Irving! - who are efficient shooters of long 2's. So teams that have multiple guys who can create off the dribble, who can find the open spot-up shooters with the pass, and who can shoot with range, have the advantage.
I'm very enthusiastic about the way the game is played now; I think it's exciting to see everyone touch the ball, to see multiple actions on one play. Frankly, I find the old-style dump it down into the post while the guy does his thing for half the shot clock while two guys on the weak side are doing nothing at all to be an inferior brand of ball. The NBA made it more of a team game. In the 1990's and before it was possible to hide a player on defense (and offense, for that matter). This is much harder to do now.
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Love it.
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This will hurt running out the clock in games but will increase scoring so that will help players stats.
I like that fact. Basketball is exciting because of the scoring.