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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 12:55:44 AM »

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This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!
It will all even out in the end. The fact that all teams play 82 games in the same amount of time pretty much proves that. The Celts have been through a tough stretch. They will go through their easy stretch too. I guarantee that.

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 08:23:57 AM »

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Yeah, I think the 3rd game in 4 days had something to do with the slow defensive rotations and lack of aggression last night.

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 10:00:30 AM »

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This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!
It will all even out in the end. The fact that all teams play 82 games in the same amount of time pretty much proves that. The Celts have been through a tough stretch. They will go through their easy stretch too. I guarantee that.

Not really!!!!
We are getting screwed because of that game in London!! We get a long break for travelling back and forth and because of that [dang] game we have to suffer some of the harshest scheduling I have seen!!!! 14 games straight of never having more rest than the opposing team is crushing!!

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2017, 12:56:47 AM »

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Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2017, 06:36:14 AM »

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Just means we'll be more rested for the playoffs, where it really matters.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2017, 07:12:14 AM »

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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2017, 08:58:12 AM »

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Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2017, 10:47:12 AM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
I remember the same being said of Avery...

You may remember stuff, and maybe dumb stuff was said of Avery, but that has nothing to do with truth.  Avery has fundamentally always been a good shooter.   He was lauded for his shooting stroke form coming out of high school.   Since he became a pro, the _only_ seasons he has failed to shoot at least 35% from 3PT range were

a) His rookie season when he got no playing time and only shot 5 total 3s for the entire season.   Note that he shot 37% in his extended run with the Maine Red Claws.

b) His 3rd season when he was coming back from double shoulder surgery.  He struggled badly in his first two months back, but shot fairly well (above 34%) in the last 6 or so weeks of that season.

Other than those two samples, Avery has shot 35.2% or higher and he's shot 39% or higher in 4 of his 8 seasons.
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I ve seen Rozier training videos. I believe in his hard work and ability to shoot...

Anyways, here is the deal, you seat back, relax, and enjoy watching Rozier make you eat back those words, and hopefully you will be man enough to come back here and admit you were wrong about this : YOU not trusting his ability from what YOU have seen and heard, doesnt mean WE can not trust the amount of proofs WE have seen and heard....

And by law of averages i meant believing that rozier is more than a 23% 3pt shooter...
Rozier may end up being a fine shooter.  I personally think his basic form is fine and most of his problems is pace. 

But "believing" is not "law of averages".   Please don't conflate these things.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2017, 12:23:27 PM »

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Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.
Obviously you can.
Those are NBA players.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2017, 01:23:24 PM »

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Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.

Probably doesn't help when you happen to be missing your starting SG who (a) is your second leading scorer and (b) arguably your best-on-ball defender that (c) likely would have been guarding Beasley.

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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2017, 01:43:59 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

Hahaha Rozier is the best of the bunch!

But seriously, this is cherry picking a bit. This isn't a bench unit that plays together. I'm surprised you didn't add Yabu to your list. I bet if u put Baynes, Theis and Morris up there it wouldn't look so bad. What I do notice about your list is that they are all young guys....

I think Rozier takes more shots than all those other players combined...