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Offline Moranis

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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.
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Re: Brady 4-7 against Manning's, Flacco - 18-2 against rest of league
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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
I'd offer that each of them had better defenses than the Pats those years.

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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
Each of them threw around our tackles like rag dolls?

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Why wouldn't you specify instead Brady's record playing against the Ravens, Giants, and Broncos defensive front seven?
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Why wouldn't you specify instead Brady's record playing against the Ravens, Giants, and Broncos defensive front seven?
He also lost to the Colts with Manning. 
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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
Each of them threw around our tackles like rag dolls?

Pretty much.  I think I saw a stat that Brady was hit more yesterday than any QB all season
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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
Each of them threw around our tackles like rag dolls?

Pretty much.  I think I saw a stat that Brady was hit more yesterday than any QB all season
which should be on the coaching staff as much as anything.  They didn't call a good game at all.  Virtually no rushing, rarely left the RB in to block, etc.  Coaching staff had a terrible game.
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The common denominator in losses to those teams is that the Pats couldn't run the ball and the opposing defenses got pressure while rushing 4 guys.

Since Brady is never on the field at the same time as Manning or Flacco I don't have any interest in comparing their meetings head to head, the reason those qbs have good records against Brady is defense not the opposing qb.
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It's pretty simple. The teams that have stout fronts that can get to Brady without sending extra rushers tend to do well against him. This is because 1, Brady has not had a strong running game to support him since earlier in his career. 2, Brady is not the most mobile quarterback and while he can break a run once in a blue moon he cannot do it consistently like scrambling QBs can. This also means he can't create as much extra time for himself when eluding the initial rush. If the D also has good corners like the Broncos do, they can allocate double teams to the top targets and force Brady to go to inconsistent third or fourth options.

Honestly though, Brady simply didn't have a good game besides the pass rush getting to him. He tried to force the ball in the first half and those ended up being the difference. He had to know that the Broncos offense was not going to be able to score points and it would be a defensive slugfest, so turnovers were going to be even more critical to avoid.

He also missed some throws, though it's hard to expect him to be perfect when he's constantly afraid the rush is going to strip sack him, or when a blown block forces him to throw the ball earlier than the optimal time. He seemed to zero in on certain guys, either because he felt he didn't have the time to go through his reads or he just panicked.

It was probably a C/C+ game for him. Harsh due to the rush he faced, but fair considering Brady has set the bar so high for his own performances.

The missed read on Gronk being open on the 2 pt. conversion was pretty bad. That was a case where it seemed he just stuck to his initial read and didn't feel confident looking for another option, then stuck it into a real high traffic area.

I would like to see them invest in an OT, a WR to replace LaFell, and a RB this offseason. Dion Lewis is an injury risk and they need insurance for Solder/Vollmer. Vollmer will be 32 next season, his future replacement can't be Marcus Cannon. They need a good WR who is more durable than Edelman, Gronk, and Amendola, all of whom have spotty injury histories. Expecting them to all be healthy like they were in 2014-15 is a big risk.

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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

Ravens, Giants, 2015 Broncos.  I wonder if they have something in common
Each of them threw around our tackles like rag dolls?

Pretty much.  I think I saw a stat that Brady was hit more yesterday than any QB all season
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/25/broncos-hit-brady-more-times-than-any-quarterback-has-been-hit-all-year/

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All those teams had elite defenses that the Patriots couldn't solve. Simple as that.
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Why wouldn't you specify instead Brady's record playing against the Ravens, Giants, and Broncos defensive front seven?
He also lost to the Colts with Manning.

Yeah, but if you take out the three teams I mentioned, Brady has done just fine against the Colts.  Slipping the Colts into that sample and then talking in terms of the QBs that have "beaten" Brady is just misleading, plain and simple.


All those teams had elite defenses that the Patriots couldn't solve. Simple as that.

Specifically, big defensive lines that could afford to rush only four and still get pressure on Brady.

It's pretty simple. The teams that have stout fronts that can get to Brady without sending extra rushers tend to do well against him.

The common denominator in losses to those teams is that the Pats couldn't run the ball and the opposing defenses got pressure while rushing 4 guys.


Or, what OM and Evantime said.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like there has to be a way to beat defenses like those. And I don't want to be unfair to the Patriots coaches, but it seems like maybe they could've made other adjustments and didn't.

For example, the Patriots usually do a lot of short passes to their backs, but did only a few yesterday. And if I remember correctly, they tried only one screen pass (the failed fourth-and-1 throw to Edelman), which is a traditional way of countering a strong pass rush.

Or am I way off base?
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Brady is now 22-9 in the post season.  He has 3 losses to Peyton, 2 losses to Eli, and 2 losses to Flacco (the other losses are to Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez who has not beaten).  He has beaten Peyton and Flacco twice and has not beaten Eli.  So against the Manning's and Flacco, Brady is 4-7, against everyone else he is 18-2.

  I don't think the qbs mattered. He started out 9-0 in the playoffs, since then he's 13-9.