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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 08:42:27 PM
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Wild!
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His prognosis must be Michael Porter Jr bad to settle for 5 million.
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1yr/ 5.3 million
This is just sad
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His prognosis must be Michael Porter Jr bad to settle for 5 million.
If that isn’t the case, RIP 2018-19
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Geez!!!.Heck we could got him on that cheap deal
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
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Warriors making bet he’ll be healthy come playoffs. Smart. Helps that everyone and his bro wants to play there.
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Good luck with that,
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We got to get Howard!!!!!
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Boogie gets his ring.
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I know at that price you almost have to do it, but kind of surprised that they even take that chance given his history and personality.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Geez!!!.Heck we could got him on that cheap deal
Doubtful he’d come here. Or that Danny would want him.
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
Sure, they can rotate between cities every other year. ;D
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Geez!!!.Heck we could got him on that cheap deal
We could have paid him quite a bit more actually.
Hoping the dude doesn’t recover at all this season. Sorry Demarcus - that’s just how I feel.
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I thought the Celtics could win the title next season but if Cousins is even 80% of what he was, then I don't think so.
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Good signing by them. Guessing Boogie misses a solid chunk of the season so from his standpoint, why not? If he proves himself coachable he'll get a big deal next summer.
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Roy will be one unhappy camper.
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It is going to take a substantial injury for the Warriors not to win it again.
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1 year 5.3m... seriously?
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Roy will be one unhappy camper.
This really ought to make everyone unhappy
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Danny boy go all in and try to get AD.
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Basically no rush for warriors as they are already a dynasty without him. Would help crush everything in their path if he's 70% of what he was when he is back.
Smart by both parties involved.
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SMH
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Danny boy go all in and try to get AD.
Dwight Howard
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Of course it's the Warriors and they can do no wrong so this move will probably work out tremendously. But at the moment, I don't really see how this is much a fit. Up until this point, he's been a losing player with a losing attitude. And he demands the ball. I could see there being a disruption in ball movement with him on the floor along with Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Draymond.
It'll be interesting to see what this means for the long term. Is this just strictly Golden State reaping the benefits of being Golden State and getting this guy on his "1 year prove it coming back from an injury" contract? Or could he be in their longterm plans?
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Feel bad for Warriors fans. That's the end of their run.
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On the surface, that sounds bad, but consider that his previous team got better when he got hurt, and apparently didn't have much desire to bring him back, just 1.5 seasons after they traded for him in the first place.
I think he's poison, and I wouldn't want him in my locker room. OTOH, I guess the GSW think they're strong enough that if he's an issue, they can send him packing and be no worse for wear.
How bad are things for him he has to settle for $5M.....
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Danny boy go all in and try to get AD.
Dwight Howard
Yeah...I agree. Short term sign Smart and Howard.
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Maybe Pop and Buford will be so disgusted with this move that they trade Kawhi to us for cheap this offseason ;)
KD’s original cowardly move has made this type of crap too easy to get away with.
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Feel bad for Warriors fans. That's the end of their run.
How so? Worst case if Boogie is disgruntled and refusing to work with GSW, they can either waive/buy him out, or just not play him.
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Lol, their defense is going to suck, now. Getting Howard would have made them unbeatable, imo, but Cousins? Weird.
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Danny boy go all in and try to get AD.
Dwight Howard
Yeah...I agree. Short term sign Smart and Howard.
After this why can’t we get Howard for MLE money?
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Danny boy go all in and try to get AD.
Dwight Howard
Yeah...I agree. Short term sign Smart and Howard.
Why - Howard sucks.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
Sure, they can rotate between cities every other year. ;D
Unfortunately they don’t have any positions that are an upgrade for us.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
Sure, they can rotate between cities every other year. ;D
Unfortunately they don’t have any positions that are an upgrade for us.
Embiid > Baynes
Simmons > Smart
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Poor Lebron. The finals are getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
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Boogie gets his ring.
Not yet. Has to go thru Boston.
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The Warriors are due for an injury-plagued season. They've been too fortunate so far.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
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Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. everything
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It is going to take a substantial injury for the Warriors not to win it again.
Most likely. But you know what? I'd rather have them win it than LeBron and the Lakers.
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Boogie gets his ring.
Not yet. Has to go thru Boston.
Boston has to go through Golden State. In year one, I don't think that will go well for us.
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Poor Lebron. The finals are getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
You’ll stop feeling sorry for him once Kawhi joins him.
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Some of you are talking about Boogie's bad attitude, and how that could ruin the Warriors from the inside.
We don't have a lot to go on here since he's been on losing teams pretty much his whole NBA career, but that bad attitude is only when his team is losing right? We might not see sour puss Cousins much in GS.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
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This literally might be one of the best Cs team ever and they will not win a title. Hate to be that guy but I am rooting for injuries to rip through GS....and not just sprained ankles...like torn ACLs and broken bones
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**** everything
This kinda stuff can make one feel like that, for sure. I mean, most everyone wants to ride the Warriors train, and then the Lakers can always do an instant rebuild because it's L.A. Must be nice.
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The Warriors are due for an injury-plagued season. They've been too fortunate so far.
If anyone is due for an injury it's Lebron. Not wishing it on him of course, it's just that this guy has been incredibly durable for his entire career.
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Achilles injuries can end a big mans career. Im not sure the last big man who came back from that and was the same player
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Can we wait until the season start before making proclamations? :D
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
You're right as that hasn't been posted anywhere. However, Keith Smith just wrote the following:
Before he went down to an injury that is essentially career-ending for many player. The ones who do come back are rarely the same. That's even more true for big men. I hope Cousins makes it back, but history says he'll be very, very limited.
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Some of you are talking about Boogie's bad attitude, and how that could ruin the Warriors from the inside.
We don't have a lot to go on here since he's been on losing teams pretty much his whole NBA career, but that bad attitude is only when his team is losing right? We might not see sour puss Cousins much in GS.
Boogie doesn’t just have a bad attitude. He’s pretty much a whacko.
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This literally might be one of the best Cs team ever and they will not win a title. Hate to be that guy but I am rooting for injuries to rip through GS....and not just sprained ankles...like torn ACLs and broken bones
A lot of people seem to be conceding the title when we haven't even seen a full strength Celtics team play yet. Many seem to be forgetting how good Hayward and Kyrie are. I'll still like the Celtics chances assuming Hayward comes back healthy.
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NBA is done
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
When you say something is "likely" that is a fabrication, it doesn't add a lot to the conversation.
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The Warriors are due for an injury-plagued season. They've been too fortunate so far.
If anyone is due for an injury it's Lebron. Not wishing it on him of course, it's just that this guy has been incredibly durable for his entire career.
HGH will do that for ya.
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Can we form an anti-Warriors coalition? Kyrie/Kawhi/Lebron/AD/Embiid with CP3/Harden/PG3/Giannis/Gobert off the bench, maybe?
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NBA in small markets and rebuilding teams are toast. Can't even compete anymore
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
When you say something is "likely" that is a fabrication, it doesn't add a lot to the conversation.
Well it is likely considering the history of players who have had their achielles torn.
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This literally might be one of the best Cs team ever and they will not win a title. Hate to be that guy but I am rooting for injuries to rip through GS....and not just sprained ankles...like torn ACLs and broken bones
A lot of people seem to be conceding the title when we haven't even seen a full strength Celtics team play yet. Many seem to be forgetting how good Hayward and Kyrie are. I'll still like the Celtics chances assuming Hayward comes back healthy.
True, but Boston's gotta stay healthy, which they really haven't been able to do well for a decade.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
When you say something is "likely" that is a fabrication, it doesn't add a lot to the conversation.
I am not fabricating the gravity of his injury.
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This literally might be one of the best Cs team ever and they will not win a title. Hate to be that guy but I am rooting for injuries to rip through GS....and not just sprained ankles...like torn ACLs and broken bones
A lot of people seem to be conceding the title when we haven't even seen a full strength Celtics team play yet. Many seem to be forgetting how good Hayward and Kyrie are. I'll still like the Celtics chances assuming Hayward comes back healthy.
I’m with you. I look forward to challenging the West next year. The Celtics will be [dang] good next year and have a good chance of being in the finals. Bring it.
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So howard is still available?
Jk. I could care less. But this effectively ends all Howard to GSW rumors.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
I mean, I think the prevailing opinion is him returning February or January at the earliest, so is this really that much of a stretch?
Do you really expect a 280 lb basketball player who relied on his unusual mobility for his size to be the same player after rupturing his Achilles? And if any team would bring him along as slow as possible, it’s GS, who objectively doesn’t need him.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
When you say something is "likely" that is a fabrication, it doesn't add a lot to the conversation.
I am not fabricating the gravity of his injury.
He didn't say that, he said you're fabricating his recovery timetable
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FRIDAY WE WILL HAVE REAL(ISH) NBA BASKETBALL TO WATCH!!
Celts’ summer league, game 1. Yabu, Semi, Williams.
Felt we needed that after the insanity of the past couple days.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
I just don't see him coming back as the same player. I don't see it as a career ender, but he will be less than what he was.
Achilles ruptures are brutal for the common person, but a 7foot basketball well over 200 lbs? He's got a good enough skillset to adapt, but his mobility and deftness at his size is what made him really special. Those aspects of his game are going to be significantly compromised.
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I absolutely would take a look at Howard. Had a decent year last year. Try to out big the Warriors.
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Either Cousins will be great or he will be hurt most of the season.
He likely won't be healthy enough to even play until March or April. His career is likely just about over.
Now, what good does it do for anybody -- you, the blog, etc. -- when you just start making stuff up?
Calm down it’s a guess.
When you say something is "likely" that is a fabrication, it doesn't add a lot to the conversation.
I am not fabricating the gravity of his injury.
He didn't say that, he said you're fabricating his recovery timetable
Severity of injury determines prognosis.
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1 year MLE for Howard makes sense. He said he would take less to go to a team that had a chance.
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I absolutely would take a look at Howard. Had a decent year last year. Try to out big the Warriors.
Exactly what I’m saying... Howard would be a useful 6 fouls vs the Warriors
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I absolutely would take a look at Howard. Had a decent year last year. Try to out big the Warriors.
Depending on who's twitter you read, part of the reason Al bolted Atlanta was because he didn't want to play with Dwight. This might be a nonstarter.
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"Sky is falling! Sky is falling!"
Can we please watch the season unfolds before we proclaim them again as champions? And even if they did I doubt Boogie would be a big reason for it. There's a reason Pels became much better after he went down. He plays a slow pace basketball, in contrast to Kerr's fast-paced system where everybody was running and gunning. He will be just like Monroe to us, especially if he doesn't put any effort on hustle plays which he's notorious for.
Not to mention, his health issues is uncertain. We have no idea if he can get back to the All-Star player he was prior to his injury. And like someone said, bigs takes much longer time to recover with this kind of injuries.
I remember the same hysteria last year after the IT trade.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
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It would be fascinating to have heard the negotiation. As others have noted, the risk for the Warriors is low. Cousins obviously wants a ring, but he must know he will have to compromise as a player far more than he ever has before or else this won't work.
He will be slowly working himself back into a role for a few months, and when he first starts playing, he will be a significant liability until he can play decent defense. I'm not sure I see him handling a slow, grinding, often frustrating comeback process combined with unprecedented deference to his star teammates, but if he can handle it, yikes!
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Cousins is just trying to earn a max deal next season. This is a one year thing in GS because there is no way in hell he can get a max deal from them.
Guess he figured if he might as well get a ring out of it.
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20 mil paycut? Sorry I do not buy it... I just don't
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20 mil paycut? Sorry I do not buy it... I just don't
achilles will do that..
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Cousins was not going to get a big deal this season. Bet on himself, Warriors bring him along slowly and he gets a ring.
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FRIDAY WE WILL HAVE REAL(ISH) NBA BASKETBALL TO WATCH!!
Celts’ summer league, game 1. Yabu, Semi, Williams.
Felt we needed that after the insanity of the past couple days.
Thats if Williams shows up to the game on time he might oversleep.
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Of course it's the Warriors and they can do no wrong so this move will probably work out tremendously. But at the moment, I don't really see how this is much a fit. Up until this point, he's been a losing player with a losing attitude. And he demands the ball. I could see there being a disruption in ball movement with him on the floor along with Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Draymond.
It'll be interesting to see what this means for the long term. Is this just strictly Golden State reaping the benefits of being Golden State and getting this guy on his "1 year prove it coming back from an injury" contract? Or could he be in their longterm plans?
They were already paying a gazillion in taxes without Cousins so this doesnt change much. They are just taking a low-risk play that he can play this year. They didnt get any bird rights
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Danny do something creative with the MLE...have to try to load up
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I actually like this.
Cousins has no sense of game flow. The Celtics will just invite Cousins to go one-on-one with Aron Baynes the whole game. Without Cousins' explosiveness, I doubt he will be efficient.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
Sabonis didn't really recover athletically. He was just massive (7'3") and insanely skilled (arguably the best passing big ever). It was a different time so the plodding centers had a role. However, I wonder if post-injury Sabonis would've been able to get more than Monroe type minutes in the playoffs. Teams would just attack him relentlessly during the playoffs.
Before injury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06usV6451ik
After injury (yet still just 24)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqznhxz6IXk
You can see the difference.
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Danny do something creative with the MLE...have to try to load up
I know we all want the Celtics to counter but signing smart is probably the final move of the summer. Ainge will not sacrifice future years of luxury tax hell reacting to another teams move.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
And neither were ever the same as I recall. Especially Dominick whose explosiveness was a big part of his prowess. In that regard Cousins doesn’t rely on his hops much so it may have less of an impact on him.
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Danny do something creative with the MLE...have to try to load up
Kick the tires on Never Nervous Pervis. Pull Boogie from the paint.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
And neither were ever the same as I recall. Especially Dominick whose explosiveness was a big part of his prowess. In that regard Cousins doesn’t rely on his hops much so it may have less of an impact on him.
Posting up takes more toll in the body. That's why everybody is now getting away from it and practicing 3s instead.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
What you are probably not realizing is recurrent microtrauma causes degeneration of the achilles tendon. Rupture is simply the end result that occurs when stress is applied to an already weakened tendon. Surgical repair will not correct what keeps weakening Cousins' achilles tendon. Since he took only 5 million dollars from the Warriors, when many expected him to get a max deal prior to the injury, you must either believe: A) he would rather win than get more than 100 million more in guaranteed money, or B) that medical staffs did not advise teams to not sign him to more than a one year deal and not more than X amount of money (which clearly seems to have been low market based medical value). Same reason why Michael Porter Jr. went from consensus number 1 pick to pick 14.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Vomit, vomit, vomit.
I hope that's not true. Now it feels like an actual loss.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
that's a pity, I would have loved him here.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Wow. Sounds like Danny wanted him.
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Danny do something creative with the MLE...have to try to load up
Kick the tires on Never Nervous Pervis. Pull Boogie from the paint.
Well it looks like he was trying, since it came down to GSW and Boston. Funny how we rarely ever hear of these things happening, always wonder if we are ever really into things that get reported.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Vomit, vomit, vomit.
I hope that's not true. Now it feels like an actual loss.
That hurts. Better to convince ourselves that it was never a close decision for him.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
What you are probably not realizing is recurrent microtrauma causes degeneration of the achilles tendon. Rupture is simply the end result that occurs when stress is applied to an already weakened tendon. Surgical repair will not correct what keeps weakening Cousins' achilles tendon. Since he took only 5 million dollars from the Warriors, when many expected him to get a max deal prior to the injury, you must either believe: A) he would rather win than get more than 100 million more in guaranteed money, or B) that medical staffs did not advise teams to not sign him to more than a one year deal and not more than X amount of money (which clearly seems to have been low market based medical value). Same reason why Michael Porter Jr. went from consensus number 1 pick to pick 14.
tp
Cousins is a big guy and puts a lot of stress with his play style. That Achilles gave up
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Wow. Sounds like Danny wanted him.
Meh, he would have gotten Monroe minutes at best
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I'm trying not to overreact, but I also don't want to be a homer.
The only silver lining here is that Cousins is somewhat unlikely to stick around there for more than a season. I feel like this is probably a "prove it" deal where he can show that he's still worth a lot of money post-injury and can piggyback on a ring while he's at it.
In the meantime, 29 other teams are essentially hoping for injuries to GS (or else a greatly diminished Boogie, which is a sad story of its own) in order to have a chance, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. We're looking at another season devoid of suspense.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Vomit, vomit, vomit.
I hope that's not true. Now it feels like an actual loss.
That hurts. Better to convince ourselves that it was never a close decision for him.
Exactly this. Warriors by a mile... then Celtics. That does make me feel better ;D
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013958944178356225
Per Chris Haynes: DMC was down to Boston and GSW
Vomit, vomit, vomit.
I hope that's not true. Now it feels like an actual loss.
That hurts. Better to convince ourselves that it was never a close decision for him.
Or maybe that the Celtics weren’t that interested In him.
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Brightside - that Sac 2019 pick is looking delicious.
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Brightside - that Sac 2019 pick is looking delicious.
other bright side, Lakers didn't add another star yet, and i hope this move just guarantees Lakers will never win
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Brightside - that Sac 2019 pick is looking delicious.
As is the Memphis and LAC pick. Both of those teams are unlikely to make the playoffs, but are just as unlikely to drop lower than the bottom 6 Eastern conference teams. They are literally in a lose-lose.
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It doesn't matter that Boogie probably won't get back to what he was ... he just has to be better than Javale McGee, and I'm pretty sure he can do that with or without an Achilles.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
Kobe at one point exploded for 60 points after his Achilles injury, so not all too bad.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
Kobe at one point exploded for 60 points after his Achilles injury, so not all too bad.
Did you watch that game? It was the last game of his career, and he took 50 of his team’s 85 shots. In the 4th quarter he took a shot on all but 3 possessions, two of which he got assists on (De’Angelo Russell didn’t get the memo and chucked up a shot one time down the court.)
He didn’t explode. Good on him for getting 60, but going 22-50 from the floor and 6-21 from 3 isn’t really that impressive.
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There's only been like 1 player that ever from this injury
Plenty of guys have returned from the injury. The majority do. Unfortunately, most don't fully recover.
Dominique and Sabonis are probably the two best case examples, but they're definitely not typical.
Kobe at one point exploded for 60 points after his Achilles injury, so not all too bad.
The achilles injury actually destroyed the end of Bryant's career. Despite his age, in the 78 games he played prior to the injury in 2012-13, he was statistically having one of his better seasons and leading a pretty bad Lakers team into the playoffs. In the three seasons after the injury, he was never close to being the same player.
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just saw this. even though he might never be right with that injury, this just looks bad for the nba. i dont want tl hear Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about expansion. this front running uncompetitive league is by far the worst in sports. and its gotten worse today.
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Wow what a boom or bust signing. I’m actually interested to see what happens now lol
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If Healthy Cousins
Durant
Curry
Thompson
Green
Lets be serious here- unstoppable...One game would be a miracle
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If Healthy Cousins
Durant
Curry
Thompson
Green
Lets be serious here- unstoppable...One game would be a miracle
Let's be serious here - two teams offered him. A bunch of teams desperate for a good big man didn't even try. It's highly unlikely he makes much of an impact.
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If Healthy Cousins
Durant
Curry
Thompson
Green
Lets be serious here- unstoppable...One game would be a miracle
Let's be serious here - two teams offered him. A bunch of teams desperate for a good big man didn't even try. It's highly unlikely he makes much of an impact.
tp
if his medical Was worthwhile, many teams would have bid for his services. The only teams with nothing to lose to take a swing made a bid
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If Healthy Cousins
Durant
Curry
Thompson
Green
Lets be serious here- unstoppable...One game would be a miracle
Let's be serious here - two teams offered him. A bunch of teams desperate for a good big man didn't even try. It's highly unlikely he makes much of an impact.
tp
if his medical Was worthwhile, many teams would have bid for his services. The only teams with nothing to lose to take a swing made a bid
Or maybe only GSW did. NBA channel said a minute ago Warriors were the only offer he got, and he reached out to them after no one called him.
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I feel like the whole "I didn't get offers from other teams" story COULD be a lie to not look like a coward. A pr move engineered by his agency. Millions of dollars in jersey sales and endorsements are at stake to not look like a KD coward
If he did get offers, he is a super coward
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If Healthy Cousins
Durant
Curry
Thompson
Green
Lets be serious here- unstoppable...One game would be a miracle
Let's be serious here - two teams offered him. A bunch of teams desperate for a good big man didn't even try. It's highly unlikely he makes much of an impact.
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if his medical Was worthwhile, many teams would have bid for his services. The only teams with nothing to lose to take a swing made a bid
Or maybe only GSW did. NBA channel said a minute ago Warriors were the only offer he got, and he reached out to them after no one called him.
IF that’s true.... talk about an unfortunate injury.
His dubious personality aside, he was talented enough to make several hundred million dollars more before his career was over. And now he’s settling for $5.3M hoping to prove himself for another contract?
I know he’s already made enough to never have to worry about money, but that’s a tough blow.
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I lost all respect for everybody right now. The older fellas must be laughing their guts out.
What has happened to this world.
Edit: i wouldnt want coussins , and i still feel like we have the best roster in the world, with smart. But this move is even worse than the one durrant made.
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Zach Lowe on the Cousins trade
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23979341/zach-lowe-demarcus-cousins-golden-state-warriors-nba
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Zach Lowe on the Cousins trade
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23979341/zach-lowe-demarcus-cousins-golden-state-warriors-nba
Disgusting how espn just can’t wait to tear down the lakers competition and bolster lebrons team. Next report talks about the genius of the lakers! Pleasee ::)
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This is the only way DMC can win a title, as the 5th/6th (Iggy) best player on the team. But still, he may prove me wrong and lose.
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There's only one way to retaliate - sign noted Demarcus Cousins doppelganger Kyle O'Quinn, lol ;D. #FightFireWithFire #TheUltimateTrollMove #SeeingDouble #Twinning #NumberSign #WaitWhat ;D
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Talent wise on paper this is such a huge get for GS. It's the one position they were weak at.
That being said, Cousins is coming off a serious injury and he won't be ready for some time do its kind of a gamble by GS as well.
It was interesting how stealth that entire process was and that DA almost pulled that off. Don't think anyone expected something like that. It will be interesting to see what that next move is. Clearly, they are still looking to make moves and improve.
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This is the only way DMC can win a title, as the 5th/6th (Iggy) best player on the team. But still, he may prove me wrong and lose.
That would be the most delicious loss
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I don't know how anyone can call this a "gamble" by the Warriors. And our hopes and dreams that Cousins will be permanently disabled by his Achilles injury seem overblown; Kevin Pelton's analysis of the trade includes a tidbit about Achilles injuries, saying that according to his data, players returning from that injury tend to underperform previous norms by 8 percent. 92 percent of full-strength Cousins is still an all-star.
Also, Rudy Gay had the same injury at almost exactly the same point in the season two years ago, and he was back in time for training camp.
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It's subtraction by addition
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I don't know how anyone can call this a "gamble" by the Warriors. And our hopes and dreams that Cousins will be permanently disabled by his Achilles injury seem overblown; Kevin Pelton's analysis of the trade includes a tidbit about Achilles injuries, saying that according to his data, players returning from that injury tend to underperform previous norms by 8 percent. 92 percent of full-strength Cousins is still an all-star.
Also, Rudy Gay had the same injury at almost exactly the same point in the season two years ago, and he was back in time for training camp.
Gay wasn't 100%, and he didn't weigh 300 lbs.
Cousins may turn out to be a world beater, but fact remains no one took a chance on him. He called GSW and begged them for a spot after no one called him. Fact also remains NO improved drastically after he got hurt.
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I don't know how anyone can call this a "gamble" by the Warriors. And our hopes and dreams that Cousins will be permanently disabled by his Achilles injury seem overblown; Kevin Pelton's analysis of the trade includes a tidbit about Achilles injuries, saying that according to his data, players returning from that injury tend to underperform previous norms by 8 percent. 92 percent of full-strength Cousins is still an all-star.
Also, Rudy Gay had the same injury at almost exactly the same point in the season two years ago, and he was back in time for training camp.
Gay wasn't 100%, and he didn't weigh 300 lbs.
Cousins may turn out to be a world beater, but fact remains no one took a chance on him. He called GSW and begged them for a spot after no one called him. Fact also remains NO improved drastically after he got hurt.
Improved drastically? They were 27-21 with Cousins and 21-13 without him. So a slightly better win percentage. They also added Mirotic and Rondo was fully healthy by then (Rondo missed the first 13 games of the season and the Pelicans were just 7-6 in those games - Rondo missed 4 other games, all Pelicans losses as well and it took Rondo awhile to get going). In addition, 6 of the 7 games Davis missed were while Cousins was healthy, the Pelicans were 3-3 in those games
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Old enough to remember when fans would wring their hands about players not being willing to take less money for the best chance at winning. Be careful what you wish for I guess.
That said the Achilles is no joke and I don't know of anyone Cousins' size who's returned well from one (EDIT: looks like Sabonis did, but pre-NBA). But it's not a "gamble", there's almost zero downside for Golden State, and another top 20 caliber player if he is nearly as good as before.
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It's subtraction by addition
Yeah. Let's see how Boogie and Draymond are getting along in March.
I'm still betting on the Celtics to win it all this season.
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Gay wasn't 100%
He was close to it. On a per possession basis, he matched or surpassed his career averages in points, rebounds, blocks, steals, turnovers, FG%, eFG%, TS%, PER, etc.
That doesn’t mean Boogie will have the same success, but Gay’s recovery has gone very well.
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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
This fits with Zach Lowe's story that Boogie's agent was cold calling teams yesterday and throwing different scenarios at them.
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I'm just shocked that the Pelicans were so lukewarm on bringing him back to the point of letting things decay this much.
The spite factor seems to be very real.
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NBA finals GSW v Celtics
GSW locker room..."what do we have to do to keep Boogie from getting thrown out of the game?"
BOS locker room..."Marcus? Make sure we get foiur fouls on this ding dong by half time."
"Shouldn't bhe a problem coach."
118 technicals + 13 ejections = GSW weaker team.
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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
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Please tell me that GSW cannot get some kind of an injury exception to sign someone while Boogie is down.
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Please tell me that GSW cannot get some kind of an injury exception to sign someone while Boogie is down.
They cannot, his injury is known.
They could get a team exception to sign someone short term but that'd require a lot of warriors to be out where you get a short term roster exception to sign someone to allow you to field a team. But that exception is small and temporary and more an extra 16th roster slot than it is salary room.
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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
Jeez... this makes it sounds like they are running around on horseback and/or relying on the post office. How long does it take to "start to look into it"
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
That team is nowhere near good enough to beat the Warriors.
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I'm just shocked that the Pelicans were so lukewarm on bringing him back to the point of letting things decay this much.
The spite factor seems to be very real.
Shocked. I would not be the surprised if people in NO are breather a huge sigh of relief. Boogie is a fantastic talent that is probably the biggest head case in the entire league. I can see why teams would be lukewarm about signing him.
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Boston and Philly just need to merge teams and take on the Warriors
That team is nowhere near good enough to beat the Warriors.
I will bite on this (and lets not get bogged down on the depth chart here, i don't know would start):
Irving/Simmons
Brown/Rozier
Hayward/Reddick/Covington
Simmons/Tatum
Embiid/Horford
That team would beat Golden State
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I'm just shocked that the Pelicans were so lukewarm on bringing him back to the point of letting things decay this much.
The spite factor seems to be very real.
Shocked. I would not be the surprised if people in NO are breather a huge sigh of relief. Boogie is a fantastic talent that is probably the biggest head case in the entire league. I can see why teams would be lukewarm about signing him.
Yeah its gotta be rough when the team who just traded two high draft picks for a player moves on from him like this.
Even Boogie on his good behavior for the past 1.5 years must have been a pain in the but. (or he just expected a max offer even after the injury and flipped when it didn't come)
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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
Jeez... this makes it sounds like they are running around on horseback and/or relying on the post office. How long does it take to "start to look into it"
Zach Lowe:
DeMarcus Cousins, an All-NBA behemoth, fell into the laps of the two-time defending champions over a chaotic few hours during which the market collapsed on him -- so fast, several members of Golden State's brain trust (including some very close to the innermost sanctum) had no idea the deal was coming.
I don't think the Celtics were ever given a chance. Had the Warriors turned Cousins down, then the Celtics might have been in play.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Serves those bums right for passing on Cousins. Now the Warriors are invincible and the NBA is all but lost.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Why did they offer $40M soon after he blew his Achilles? Seems like a large offer for an injury of that magnitude.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Why did they offer $40M soon after he blew his Achilles? Seems like a large offer for an injury of that magnitude.
If he even returns to 80% of his previous self $20m/year is a bargain though, which is what I assume they were thinking
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Why did they offer $40M soon after he blew his Achilles? Seems like a large offer for an injury of that magnitude.
If he even returns to 80% of his previous self $20m/year is a bargain though, which is what I assume they were thinking
It’s really not. 80% isn’t great. And they clearly didn’t offer it again (and certainly didn’t raise it).
And apparently most teams agreed, as nobody was banging in his door to lock him up.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Serves those bums right for passing on Cousins. Now the Warriors are invincible and the NBA is all but lost.
The season hasn’t even started yet.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Why did they offer $40M soon after he blew his Achilles? Seems like a large offer for an injury of that magnitude.
If he even returns to 80% of his previous self $20m/year is a bargain though, which is what I assume they were thinking
It’s really not. 80% isn’t great. And they clearly didn’t offer it again (and certainly didn’t raise it).
And apparently most teams agreed, as nobody was banging in his door to lock him up.
80% production is still 20/10/4, so not shabby at all.
But yeah, considering his offers (or lack thereof) I think 80% might be very optimistic
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Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that Boogie will return to his former self and forgetting that he tore his achilles.
For a man his size with his supposed Lack of work ethic I would be surprised if he returned to prior form and wasnt a shell of himself.
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Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that Boogie will return to his former self and forgetting that he tore his achilles.
For a man his size with his supposed Lack of work ethic I would be surprised if he returned to prior form and wasnt a shell of himself.
I’m not that concerned about his work ethic — he has a reputation for taking plays off because he gets frustrated about something in the game (a foul, his teammate messing up, missing shots, etc.) but he’s a pretty impressive athlete and I don’t think that happened by accident. I’m sure he’ll rehab with dedication. But it’s still an Achilles, and modern medicine has not solved that problem very well, especially for people who are 260 pounds and nearly 7 ft. That repaired tendon will have a lot asked of it, and a 100% return to prior form, or even 70%, especially within the first half season back, seems incredibly unlikely.
On the other hand, even with limitations, he’s still got a very good chance of being a better player than Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee. So it can be both true that Cousins won’t come all the way back and that the Warriors have become an even stronger team.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Serves those bums right for passing on Cousins. Now the Warriors are invincible and the NBA is all but lost.
There's a reason New Orleans was fine with replacing him with Julius Randle and no other team wanted to pay him more than the mid-level.
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Marc Stein:
League sources say that Cousins rebuffed New Orleans' offer of a two-year contract extension in the $40 million range after the injury but before the season ended. When that offer was declined, sources say, New Orleans took it off the table.
The Mavericks and the Lakers were also expected to have high-dollar interest in Cousins this summer, but those teams opted to use their cap space elsewhere. The Pelicans had not completely shut the door on bringing Cousins back, but then the opportunity to sign Julius Randle to a two-year deal at $18 million suddenly arose. The Pelicans moved quickly to come to terms with Randle — with the New Orleans star Anthony Davis reportedly serving as an aggressive recruiter.
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/MSB_3554.html?nlid=86293317
Serves those bums right for passing on Cousins. Now the Warriors are invincible and the NBA is all but lost.
There's a reason New Orleans was fine with replacing him with Julius Randle and no other team wanted to pay him more than the mid-level.
i agree. let's play the season and see what happens. i believe the celtics will stack up very well against the warriorsn, who are not invincible. cousins wont be back until january, and even then it is not a lock he will return to his former playing ability.
let's play the season and see. ;D
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Just saw where Anthony Davis didnt really wanted Boogie back..
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Below is a trailer to a documentary on DMC.
He mentions he got no offer from the Pelicans, other than that it's mostly complaining in a very Cousins way.
https://youtu.be/o_BCym84joQ
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Update: DMC just walked by me in our hotel lobby in Las Vegas. No limping. He must be good to go! 😀
Jerebko and Klay Thompson as well. Klay seemed to tower over everyone. Probably because he is so thin. Jonas looks like he is still in high school. I bet he gets carded at the clubs.
Mike
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I didn't realize Jerebko had joined the enemy this summer. Too bad—now I can't root for him.
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Update: DMC just walked by me in our hotel lobby in Las Vegas. No limping. He must be good to go! 😀
Jerebko and Klay Thompson as well. Klay seemed to tower over everyone. Probably because he is so thin. Jonas looks like he is still in high school. I bet he gets carded at the clubs.
Mike
I think I recently read somewhere that he was playing 5v0 already, which was ahead of schedule. Scary news. Hopefully he causes their locker-room to implode ;D
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Update: DMC just walked by me in our hotel lobby in Las Vegas. No limping. He must be good to go! 😀
Jerebko and Klay Thompson as well. Klay seemed to tower over everyone. Probably because he is so thin. Jonas looks like he is still in high school. I bet he gets carded at the clubs.
Mike
I think I recently read somewhere that he was playing 5v0 already, which was ahead of schedule. Scary news. Hopefully he causes their locker-room to implode ;D
That locker room was showing signs of tiring last year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cousins pushed it over the edge.
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unfortunately I think he'll fit in just fine. He doesn't have enough duende to disrupt that locker room.
He'll be peer pressured to bits if he takes any plays off...
And it may not matter. The Warriors play loosey goosey off emotion....He will add to that. Yuck.