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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on May 24, 2018, 08:14:30 PM
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Not advocating to trade Irving. This unit still has a few big hurdles to overcome. I just want to see what is the "ticking point"
IF and its a big if,this Celts squad can do the incredible and win it all.... I do believe the Celts could entertain the idea of trading Kyrie (Even possibly Hayward , though with his devastating injury his value would be at its lowest). Depending on how good the return is. Then extend Rozier, Smart, Morris, Baynes. Prepare to max out Brown and Tatum
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
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As always... what’s the return?
If we got an offer that made us better, I’d trade him, regardless of any milestone.
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There is no one we can feasibly get that is as good as Irving in a trade for him. Hence any trade would make no sense. There is no scenario where this is a better team next October with Terry Rozier starting and Irving playing elsewhere. No idea why this foolish notion keeps coming up in threads.
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (without Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
Why the focus on Irving? Why not have the same conversation about Hayward?
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
How does trading Irving mean we keep the others? Are we going to trade him in a salary dump?
And yo answer the question, Irving should be back and start no matter what. He’s the teams best player.
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
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why trade Irving at all? not seeing the point. even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.
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why trade Irving at all? not seeing the point. even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.
who starts/who finishes the games? keep players egos in check?
Cap issues. keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?
I don't think it will be as easy as you think
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As always... what’s the return?
If we got an offer that made us better, I’d trade him, regardless of any milestone.
^this.
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
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why trade Irving at all? not seeing the point. even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.
who starts/who finishes the games? keep players egos in check?
Cap issues. keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?
I don't think it will be as easy as you think
Its called going into the luxury tax. The owners have said they have no problem paying it if the team is contending. Coming off a championship, they will pay that tax.
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because the best way to compete with the warriors and win a championship is to trade away your best players ::) just for the heck of it
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why trade Irving at all? not seeing the point. even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.
who starts/who finishes the games? keep players egos in check?
Cap issues. keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?
I don't think it will be as easy as you think
It's as easy as can be. You keep the cornerstone players and let ancillary role players get overpaid elsewhere.
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The Warriors added Durant to a championship team.. Why couldn't we (per say) add Kyrie?
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (without Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
Yes. No matter what, if we are healthy Kyrie starts next year. Morris and Rozier are contracted for next year, so that isn’t really relevant at all. And if Smart gets an offer over $10m/year then good for him, but we shouldn’t keep him if so
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why trade Irving at all? not seeing the point. even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.
who starts/who finishes the games? keep players egos in check?
Cap issues. keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?
I don't think it will be as easy as you think
It's as easy as can be. You keep the cornerstone players and let ancillary role players get overpaid elsewhere.
See Evan Turner:
"Evan Turner signed a 4 year / $70,000,000 contract with the Portland Trail Blazers, including $70,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $17,500,000. In 2017-18, Turner will earn a base salary of $17,131,148, while carrying a cap hit of $17,131,148 and a dead cap value of $53,606,557."
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in the NBA haven't we learned that talent trumps role-players at the end of the day? You don't trade Irving because you worry about paying guys like Rozier/smart/baynes...
danny brought back 4 players from last year and we are more successful in the playoffs because of better talent.
if the goal is to compete for championships I see no reason to gut the team of talent because we can win without added talent.
the overreactions on this board are hilarious. we lose 2 games in cleveland...we should let smart walk, trade ROier for nothing. we win game 5. now lets trade irving so we can overpay smart/rozier!
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe. Rozier is still under contract next year. Smart is not getting $15 mill a year. who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player? he won't help a team that's still rebuilding. he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE? Philly maybe. they're looking for bigger fish than Smart.
C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year. hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $. Nader is very likely gone next year.
as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out. he's been doing a fine job so far. I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.
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Why are people focused on this topic. Kyrie is awesome and finally has that janky hardware out of his knee.
...i'm hoping for a surprise comeback ... not a trade!
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe. Rozier is still under contract next year. Smart is not getting $15 mill a year. who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player? he won't help a team that's still rebuilding. he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE? Philly maybe. they're looking for bigger fish than Smart.
C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year. hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $. Nader is very likely gone next year.
as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out. he's been doing a fine job so far. I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.
Rumor is Danny already offered Smart 8 million per season and they shot it down
As the Celts keep winning his value keeps increasing. I think its already at 12 million per season
Miami signed KO for 12 million per season? Smart is a better/more impact player even if KO offense is better
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe. Rozier is still under contract next year. Smart is not getting $15 mill a year. who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player? he won't help a team that's still rebuilding. he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE? Philly maybe. they're looking for bigger fish than Smart.
C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year. hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $. Nader is very likely gone next year.
as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out. he's been doing a fine job so far. I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.
lol. Cs are not getting Smart for 8-10...no way. He is not a defense only player..he is a spark plug plus.
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celts really only have to worry about re-signing Baynes/Smart...because Monroe really isn't worth paying IMO.
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe. Rozier is still under contract next year. Smart is not getting $15 mill a year. who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player? he won't help a team that's still rebuilding. he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE? Philly maybe. they're looking for bigger fish than Smart.
C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year. hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $. Nader is very likely gone next year.
as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out. he's been doing a fine job so far. I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.
I don't think Smart at this point a 15 million dollar a year player but Danny has to figure out how to add players once over the cap. Will have to figure into "trade money" and replacement value...
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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
I just want to be clear
In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.
It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.
If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract. And i wouldn't blame them. Guessing 15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year
Some good points. I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe. Rozier is still under contract next year. Smart is not getting $15 mill a year. who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player? he won't help a team that's still rebuilding. he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE? Philly maybe. they're looking for bigger fish than Smart.
C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year. hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $. Nader is very likely gone next year.
as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out. he's been doing a fine job so far. I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.
I don't think Smart at this point a 15 million dollar a year player but Danny has to figure out how to add players once over the cap. Will have to figure into "trade money" and replacement value...
Interesting point
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When we win three titles without him.
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He starts asmy point guard no amtter what happens .
25 year old star who was s chomping at the bit and gonna be healhier than he has been in years .
This will be an amazing team lead by him next year.