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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on May 13, 2018, 11:04:50 PM
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Not for Anthony Davis, not for Curry, not for Durant etc.
Celtics future is set for a long time to come.
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Not for Anthony Davis, not for Curry, not for Durant etc.
Celtics future is set for a long time to come.
Yup. They both seem to "get it" and would be able to be co-stars on an awesome team without getting into an ego battle. (remind to look back at that assessment in 5 years - time/success/money/fame have a way of chipping away at those positive traits).
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Agreed. No trading these guys. Danny is not stupid.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
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Their salaries are another reason---they are way under paid right now...can't have another Max player on this roster.
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Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum may be the next Stephen Curry/Kevin Durant duo.
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Their salaries are another reason---they are way under paid right now...can't have another Max player on this roster.
Then it's time to start dumping players in the future.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
If Tatum outperforms Hayward, then we know who to ship out lol.
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someone just pro-owed a trade of KAWHI to BOSTON for TROZ BROWN and A. FIRST ROUNDER. LOL
I TOLD HIM I wouldn’t trade Brown straight up for Kawhi.
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Danny was the one last year who said he hangs up on teams when they mention browns name in trade talk calls. This was when the porzingis for brown and 2 lotto picks trade rumor was going around
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The reason they maybe shouldn’t be traded is not the reason most assume. As talents, either would be fine to include for Davis, who is still likely better now than either will ever be.
The reason you don’t trade them is because of team. The last thing you want to do is mess with the versatility of this team. It’s causing havoc offensively and defensively.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
Lesser roles won’t stunt their growth. It may stunt their numbers buts that’s different. It’s survival of the fittest anyway. Everything will works itself out.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
If Tatum outperforms Hayward, then we know who to ship out lol.
Yeah, neither one.
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The reason they maybe shouldn’t be traded is not the reason most assume. As talents, either would be fine to include for Davis, who is still likely better now than either will ever be.
The reason you don’t trade them is because of team. The last thing you want to do is mess with the versatility of this team. It’s causing havoc offensively and defensively.
You really think most people that say no do it for talent and not team versatility and cost control?
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
Lesser roles won’t stunt their growth. It may stunt their numbers buts that’s different. It’s survival of the fittest anyway. Everything will works itself out.
If they are good enough as #1 and 2 options to win the East, or even beyond, it wouldn't behoove us now or in the future to relegate them to lesser roles due to seniority. And I say that as a huge Hayward fan. I wouldn't trade either of them for Kawhi at this point.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
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The reason they maybe shouldn’t be traded is not the reason most assume. As talents, either would be fine to include for Davis, who is still likely better now than either will ever be.
The reason you don’t trade them is because of team. The last thing you want to do is mess with the versatility of this team. It’s causing havoc offensively and defensively.
You really think most people that say no do it for talent and not team versatility and cost control?
Yeah, I do think people say no because of talent. As for cost control, I’m sure DA ha sir figured out but eventually two max contracts will be greater than one.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
Lesser roles won’t stunt their growth. It may stunt their numbers buts that’s different. It’s survival of the fittest anyway. Everything will works itself out.
If they are good enough as #1 and 2 options to win the East, or even beyond, it wouldn't behoove us now or in the future to relegate them to lesser roles due to seniority. And I say that as a huge Hayward fan. I wouldn't trade either of them for Kawhi at this point.
And if Hayward is better than both of them, and I think he is, then they will and should be knocked down a peg or two. Like I said, it will work itself out.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team.
I think Tatum, Brown and Rozier are going to be happier passing into the corner for an open 3 from Gordon Hayward than they are passing into the corner for an open 3 from Semi Ojeleye.
But in seriousness, these things have a way of working out. Golden State has all that talent and guys like Quinn Cook, Nick Young, McCaw, Livingston, Casspi etc. all got regular minutes for them. It's a long season, guys get hurt, etc...
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Not worried about minutes. Brad will be able to manage the wear and tear of the stars better if everyone plays well.
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Tatum has a long way to go on the defensive end, reading the plays better , not getting bullied around the rim, even if he doesn't increase his offensive production a huge deal due to Hayward's return and Kyrie getting his.He can still grow on the defensive end and become a greater two way player.
Also reading defenses better ,getting stronger taking it to basket, lots of areas for him to work on regardless if his regular season minutes and shots don't take a huge jump next season.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team.
I think Tatum, Brown and Rozier are going to be happier passing into the corner for an open 3 from Gordon Hayward than they are passing into the corner for an open 3 from Semi Ojeleye.
But in seriousness, these things have a way of working out. Golden State has all that talent and guys like Quinn Cook, Nick Young, McCaw, Livingston, Casspi etc. all got regular minutes for them. It's a long season, guys get hurt, etc...
I agree with you guys that the team has an opportunity to be special. Historically special, even. But I mentioned elsewhere that we are significantly different from GS in that they came together as vets with the goal of a chip. WGwnuinely believe that Brown, Tatum and Rozier are very high character guys that would fit into the roles they're assigned. But they're also just tapping into their potential and at the height of their growth. I really want them to see that thru properly.
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Lebron cant keep up with Tatum and browns endurance. Tatum played 37 minutes. Lebron looks gassed by the 3rd. He's too old and lost a step on D
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I disagree they are untradable, because as good as they are and could become Anthony Davis is an MVP/KG caliber player.
I'm not worried about minutes for them, Morris got plenty of minutes and shots those are going to go to way down once Hayward is back on the court.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
Yeah, I have a lot of similar thoughts. Maybe we should just be grateful for the massive amount of talent. But I'm surprised and excited about how good they have become so fricken quickly.
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I disagree they are untradable, because as good as they are and could become Anthony Davis is an MVP/KG caliber player.
I'm not worried about minutes for them, Morris got plenty of minutes and shots those are going to go to way down once Hayward is back on the court.
Wouldn't it be better to move kyrie for Davis? I know it takes 2 to tango but yea
I do see your point
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I disagree they are untradable, because as good as they are and could become Anthony Davis is an MVP/KG caliber player.
I'm not worried about minutes for them, Morris got plenty of minutes and shots those are going to go to way down once Hayward is back on the court.
Wouldn't it be better to move kyrie for Davis? I know it takes 2 to tango but yea
I do see your point
In 2019 when Davis is going to be potentially available Kyrie will be on his new contract and older, not attractive to NOP.
Plus moving Davis means you are blowing it up, so young players are the ask.
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I disagree they are untradable, because as good as they are and could become Anthony Davis is an MVP/KG caliber player.
I'm not worried about minutes for them, Morris got plenty of minutes and shots those are going to go to way down once Hayward is back on the court.
Wouldn't it be better to move kyrie for Davis? I know it takes 2 to tango but yea
I do see your point
In 2019 when Davis is going to be potentially available Kyrie will be on his new contract and older, not attractive to NOP.
Plus moving Davis means you are blowing it up, so young players are the ask.
the growth curve of Tatum and brown is just too attractive to give up. We're paying these guys peanuts to perform at arguably all star levels. Hard to give up this long term cost controlled duo. They might be the 2 best contracts in the nba. This is like when Steph curry was on that rookie deal. Or rondo on that rookie extension .
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Lebron cant keep up with Tatum and browns endurance. Tatum played 37 minutes. Lebron looks gassed by the 3rd. He's too old and lost a step on D
What are you talkin about?.. LeHelp has been playin around 42 min a game in these playoffs. He wasn't gassed, he was dejected because they were blown off. He only played 37 min because there wasn't any need for him but if it were close then LeWhi e would havr played the entire 4th qtr.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
The only way this really works is if Brad gets them ALL to buy in. That means less minutes, lower stats. I’m talking nobody on the team averages more than 30mpg.
The importance of health and rest is paramount. I’d rather see Kyrie, Al, Gordon play 28-30 minutes a night and be fresh. Then guys like Terry, Jaylen, and Jayson can also get around 24-28mpg which will not stunt their growth.
Then when the playoffs arrive, you can go with short rotation of Irving/Rozier/Brown/Smart/Hayward/Morris/Tatum/Horford with some extra bigs here and there depending on matchups.
If not everyone can buy in (especially the guys in their contract years), then maybe Danny has to consolidate assets.
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I disagree they are untradable, because as good as they are and could become Anthony Davis is an MVP/KG caliber player.
I'm not worried about minutes for them, Morris got plenty of minutes and shots those are going to go to way down once Hayward is back on the court.
Wouldn't it be better to move kyrie for Davis? I know it takes 2 to tango but yea
I do see your point
In 2019 when Davis is going to be potentially available Kyrie will be on his new contract and older, not attractive to NOP.
Plus moving Davis means you are blowing it up, so young players are the ask.
the growth curve of Tatum and brown is just too attractive to give up. We're paying these guys peanuts to perform at arguably all star levels. Hard to give up this long term cost controlled duo. They might be the 2 best contracts in the nba. This is like when Steph curry was on that rookie deal. Or rondo on that rookie extension .
Davis will be on the block potentially in the 2019 season. That means Brown will be due a contract soon and two of Tatum's cost controlled years are gone. Steph wasn't Steph on his rookie deal, it was his bargain extension you're referring to before they fixed his ankle issues (mostly fixed)
This is Davis age 24 season, he'll be 26 when he's on the block. Getting a player who is KG/Duncan level at 26 is too attractive to fall in love with your own draft picks.
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Its really not that hard to work in Hayward/Kyrie along with Tatum/Brown.
You just play Morris/Smart/Rozier less, which then filters down to the Larkin/Semi/Theis/Baynes types as well. Morris got 26 MPG and a lot of shots in that time for example that's going down a LOT if we're fully healthy.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
imagine if the pick conveys Tuesday night
Gotta fit in the minutes for Bagley or Doncic too lol
I'd probably prefer Bagley to give horford some rest
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Its really not that hard to work in Hayward/Kyrie along with Tatum/Brown.
You just play Morris/Smart/Rozier less, which then filters down to the Larkin/Semi/Theis/Baynes types as well. Morris got 26 MPG and a lot of shots in that time for example that's going down a LOT if we're fully healthy.
Well I get the larkin / semi part (they are clearly 3rd string players on our current team), but I think we need Baynes or a player like him in the rotation. Hayward isn't taking Baynes minutes.
Baynes isn't really a 3rd string player like the others. Honestly I don't think Theis is either.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
imagine if the pick conveys Tuesday night
Gotta fit in the minutes for Bagley or Doncic too lol
I'd probably prefer Bagley to give horford some rest
Oh man if that LAL pick conveys we really have luck on our side. In that case, all options are probably on the table, and then we really have to pick between Smart and Rozier for next year.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
imagine if the pick conveys Tuesday night
Gotta fit in the minutes for Bagley or Doncic too lol
I'd probably prefer Bagley to give horford some rest
Oh man if that LAL pick conveys we really have luck on our side. In that case, all options are probably on the table, and then we really have to pick between Smart and Rozier for next year.
we will find out in about 36 hours
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someone just pro-owed a trade of KAWHI to BOSTON for TROZ BROWN and A. FIRST ROUNDER. LOL
I TOLD HIM I wouldn’t trade Brown straight up for Kawhi.
that's one i could see actually happening. Brown + Rozier for Kawhi. Though we'd need more salary for it to work.
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someone just pro-owed a trade of KAWHI to BOSTON for TROZ BROWN and A. FIRST ROUNDER. LOL
I TOLD HIM I wouldn’t trade Brown straight up for Kawhi.
that's one i could see actually happening. Brown + Rozier for Kawhi. Though we'd need more salary for it to work.
don't want kawhi, his bad quad, and soon to be max contract anywhere near this team
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I can't see any reason to even consider any trade unless Anthony Davis is involved. I guess I haven't been as impressed with Kwahi and if he is hurt or whatever is going on? You cant expect to blow the team up every year and it not have an effect at some point.You can push your luck too far sometimes.
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I have to admit that trades that not that long ago seemed no brainers (ideas involving Davis and Leonard for packages involving Brown and/or Tatum) are much less attractive now. As Davis will not be available until 2019, we will have even more idea on just how good Brown and Tatum can be and if Davis is a piece the team needs (he will always be desirable but not necessarily needed).
Leonard has so many questions now about his injury and commitment, I would baulk at any trade until his fitness and dedication are clear. Of the two, a fit and focussed Kawahi would be my preference by the smallest measure as I think he would be a great fit. Not really that much in it and I can see sense in keeping this squad together next season and seeing if they can achieve the ultimate goal without a trade.
What happens with Kyrie and Rozier is a whole other debate. The kind of problems it is good to have.
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Leonard has so many questions now about his injury and commitment, I would baulk at any trade until his fitness and dedication are clear. Of the two, a fit and focussed Kawahi would be my preference by the smallest measure as I think he would be a great fit. Not really that much in it and I can see sense in keeping this squad together next season and seeing if they can achieve the ultimate goal without a trade.
Well said, TP!
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brown and tatum are untradeable
rozier if a high offer comes i think he will be traded... the brad systems favours the pg... we saw it with isaih turner and kyrie....
if someone throws a high lottery...(clippers suns magic) i think ainge will say thank you...
you cannot pay them all
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well. The thing I come back to is that all 3 of Brown / Tatum / Rozier all need big minutes next year regardless of who else is on the team. Obviously Rozier won't start once Kyrie returns, but Rozier shouldn't go back to small minutes either. He has earned a big role in the rotation. What happens to Smart will have an impact for sure.
For Brown and Tatum, they will probably still start and may only see a small drop in minutes from last year. I like Kyrie but we have to admit that with Rozier in the lineup Brown and Tatum have had more opportunities versus if Kyrie was here.
I guess we should be glad that the C's have had such a great chance to evaluate Brown and Tatum and Rozier...we know more what we have with the young guys now and hopefully that makes good decisions regarding the roster and trades easier.
If we could get our hands on Ayton, I would be willing to consider a Kyrie trade for him (+ another asset).
For instance, let's say the Knicks move up in the lottery.
Something like #1 + Ntilikina + Kanter (salary filler) for Kyrie
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I love Brown and Tatum, but Ainge would trade either of them in a heartbeat for AD. Davis is 25 years old, and was arguably the best player in the NBA this season.
Same thing with Kawhi. If you are confident in his health, you're getting a perennial team all NBA and 1st team all defensive player. He's the player we hope Brown/Tatum become.
I love both and there's something better about having your own homegrown players. But Ainge would rightfully have to trade either if he could get a player of AD's caliber.
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Nobody on the Celtics is off limits. You guys should know that.
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A Davis says Hey :)
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I love Brown and Tatum, but Ainge would trade either of them in a heartbeat for AD. Davis is 25 years old, and was arguably the best player in the NBA this season.
Same thing with Kawhi. If you are confident in his health, you're getting a perennial team all NBA and 1st team all defensive player. He's the player we hope Brown/Tatum become.
I love both and there's something better about having your own homegrown players. But Ainge would rightfully have to trade either if he could get a player of AD's caliber.
TP for this.
No one on this forum has been a bigger cheerleader of Jaylen Brown than I have. But for someone to say that they wouldn't trade JB for Kawhi is the very definition of insanity. JB's peak potential is Kawhi., who is a top 5 player in the league. Kawhi is by far the better player on both ends of the floor right now and is only 26 years old. There's no doubt that you make that lopsided trade every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The same goes for AD. Again, there's no question about making that trade.
I predicted right after the draft two years ago that JB would make the All Star team within 5 years and I still hold to that prediction. Tatum looks like an absolute stone-cold killer. But I'd move either of those guys to bring in Kawhi or Davis because those guys ARE peak players. We can only hope that Brown and Tatum become peak players.
With that said, there is one exception to that which is the omnipresent salary cap and luxury tax. If getting Leonard or Davis forces you to lose not only Brown or Tatum but also strips the ability to resign Kyrie or otherwise gut the team then it's a different story. That's really the brilliance of Danny's plan here too. When Brown is due for an extension Horford's contract is up. When it's Tatum's turn, Hayward is up. If signing one of those top guys just kills our ability to field a competitive team due to the luxury tax then you don't make that move.
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They are the best players of the best team, ofc they are untradeable.
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Both are untradeable...but there is someone who is tradeable. His name is Kyrie Irving.
I want to see Irving and Hayward play with Brown, Tatum, Horford, Rozier and Smart for at least 1 year.
The ball moves better without Irving and I've been saying this all year. Irving can get us a bucket when needed. Our defense is better without Irving...but we need Irving.
I wouldn't make any trades and I would just look to fill the 8th, 9th, 10th man. I would unload Yabu, Monroe, Baynes, Nader and Larkin. I would give Larkin's spot to Bird and see what he can do.
No trades YET.
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Trading Tatum or Brown now would be the dumbest possible thing Ainge could do. There's no player worth trading either of these two future superstars for.
Why?
These are future superstars who are already playing at an All-Star level in the playoffs who are both under 23 years old and on rookie contracts. Next season we'll be getting back two All-Stars in their prime (Kyrie and Hayward), and will have another in Horford. This team is winning the title next year, good health willing. Ain't nobody beating that lineup, not even GSW (go ahead - quote me on this - I'll be sure to say I told you so next June)
So why trade for a player who isn't needed and give up our youth when all that does is give away our future? Five years from now Tatum and Brown will be MVP candidates themselves while any star we trade them for now will be on the downside of their prime by then.
It ain't happening folks, just get used it and accept it. The performances of our young duo in these playoffs have solidified their stay here in Boston for the duration of the primes of their careers.
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Both are untradeable...but there is someone who is tradeable. His name is Kyrie Irving.
I want to see Irving and Hayward play with Brown, Tatum, Horford, Rozier and Smart for at least 1 year.
The ball moves better without Irving and I've been saying this all year. Irving can get us a bucket when needed. Our defense is better without Irving...but we need Irving.
I wouldn't make any trades and I would just look to fill the 8th, 9th, 10th man. I would unload Yabu, Monroe, Baynes, Nader and Larkin. I would give Larkin's spot to Bird and see what he can do.
No trades YET.
I won't give my opinion either way for a Kyrie trade, but it should be noted that his contract is up after next season (no way he picks up his option). If we are planning to trade Kyrie, we either need to do it this summer or really not at all.
As for Jaylen and Jayson, I echo others' sentiments about AD and possibly Kawhi, but in general don't think these are the players we should be looking to move.
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Its really not that hard to work in Hayward/Kyrie along with Tatum/Brown.
You just play Morris/Smart/Rozier less, which then filters down to the Larkin/Semi/Theis/Baynes types as well. Morris got 26 MPG and a lot of shots in that time for example that's going down a LOT if we're fully healthy.
Well I get the larkin / semi part (they are clearly 3rd string players on our current team), but I think we need Baynes or a player like him in the rotation. Hayward isn't taking Baynes minutes.
Baynes isn't really a 3rd string player like the others. Honestly I don't think Theis is either.
If Brad has a healthy Hayward/Tatum/Brown he's going to play small a lot more often than he did last year.
That's match up dependent of course, but I definitely think Brad's preferred lineup is the one he started the season with.
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I said Tatum IMHO is untouchable even to the likes of Greek Freak or AD if they were made available (on Sportscenter, ESPN facebook pages).
They (other commenters) called me crazy and thought I was an idiot, especially for saying he's untouchable for Davis.
But I still agree! ;D
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I am firmly now in the camp of them both being untouchable.
Next years lineup of Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford is absurd. Back that up with Rozier, resigned Smart, Semi, Morris and resigned Baynes and that is beyond title worthy.
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The understandable and warranted hype for Brown and Tatum right now has over-shot the reality some. I would not hesitate to include Tatum or Brown in a trade for Anthony Davis, for example. There are not that many more cases that I can think of but that is one. "Untradeable" is just too hyperbolic for me. No one is untradeable in the absolute.
I don't think it is likely that either is traded (I would put the odds at 0.01%) but that is a different statement. More interesting I think is going to be what we start to hear about Kyrie and Hayward trades. I assume Kyrie has a trade kicker still, right? Would he waive that for Phoenix for example and could we get a top 3 pick plus a decent player? How about Hayward, do we have to guts to trade him (along with Rozier and the Sac pick for example) before he has even played if it got us Kahwi Leonard?
One thing we do know, Danny is not afraid to make a big trade.
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If I did not have to think about contracts, and if Kawhi is healthy and motivated, then as good as JB is (and he's really, really good) I would be willing to send Brown out for Kawhi. A five of Irving, Tatum, Hayward, Kawhi, and Horford is almost unfair to the rest of the league.
But we do have to think about contracts and we don't know if Kawhi is healthy and motivated, and under those conditions you can't do it without mortgaging the near future on a pretty big bet. The juice is not worth the squeeze.
Maybe, maybe, maybe Irving for Kawhi - swapping one big contract for another, and *if he is healthy* getting a superior two-way player. But that's still a lot of ifs and we probably end up sitting an allstar-caliber wing for part of the game(!) which is nuts.
I'd rather run it back or find some way to bring in Al's replacement.
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I could see Tatum as untradeable/untouchable but not Brown yet Brown in two years he could be top 5 SG. Very tough to picture either being dealt.
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I had been on board with trading Jaylen Brown for a big star, but not anymore. He's so unbelievably talented at 21 that I'm not trading him for anyone. He and Tatum represent a 15 year long Celtics dynasty. AND they're good now. Why would you trade them? Where else are you going to get top 30 players at 5 mil a year?
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I don't know why on earth anybody would want to move either these guys this offseason (in a realistic move) and not see what this team is capable of next season with a core of Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown, & Tatum.
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Nobody on the Celtics is off limits. You guys should know that.
Tatum says hi
Cavs initially wanted Tatum.....Ainge wouldnt cave in
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A Davis says Hey :)
You're living in a world that does not exist. If you're proposing Jaylen Brown for Anthony Davis straight up with no salary cap considerations, Davis is the guy. The problem is we cannot afford to have 5 max contracts at the same time. At some point, you have to look at it from a financial perspective and say that Jaylen Brown at 5 million is the biggest bargain in the entire NBA. You don't move that CONTRACT for anyone.
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https://twitter.com/CelticsPlacar/status/995247175218204672/photo/1
So close for the Nets ;D
but knowing them, they probably mess up both drafts and pick Dragan Bender and Markelle Fultz
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https://twitter.com/CelticsPlacar/status/995247175218204672/photo/1
So close for the Nets ;D
but knowing them, they probably mess up both drafts and pick Dragan Bender and Markelle Fultz
I don't think it's a slight on the Nets that they would not have ended up with Tatum and Brown. I would bet that no other team in the league would have ended up with that combination and furthermore, would bet that less than a third of the league would have ended up with EITHER one of them.
Having Brown and Tatum is a testament to DA's genius.
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https://twitter.com/CelticsPlacar/status/995247175218204672/photo/1
So close for the Nets ;D
but knowing them, they probably mess up both drafts and pick Dragan Bender and Markelle Fultz
I don't think it's a slight on the Nets that they would not have ended up with Tatum and Brown. I would bet that no other team in the league would have ended up with that combination and furthermore, would bet that less than a third of the league would have ended up with EITHER one of them.
Having Brown and Tatum is a testament to DA's genius.
agreed
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The consensus seems to be that Brown is untouchable and that Tatum is even more untouchable (meaning Tatum is the more highly valued of the two high value prospects). I am coming around to Brown over Tatum. This is splitting hairs on two really good prospects but if I had to pick one to include in a hypothetical trade for Anthony Davis or Kahwi Leonard (yes, I know the contracts do not work), I would trade Tatum and keep Brown.
I know that the conventional thinking is that Tatum is as good as he is in his first NBA season but he had a season at Duke as compared to Brown UC-Berkeley. I think the experience/coaching is pretty comparable even though Brown has 2 NBA seasons. I like Brown's body and overall athletic ability over Tatum, but give an edge to Tatum on pure shot making (but not that much of an edge). Tatum's body may develop but I think he is always going to be more lean and won't ever have the strength that Brown already has.
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https://twitter.com/CelticsPlacar/status/995247175218204672/photo/1
So close for the Nets ;D
but knowing them, they probably mess up both drafts and pick Dragan Bender and Markelle Fultz
Knowing anyone. We reached for Jaylen (he was projected.. what #7 on the boards) and there is no doubt in my mind that 29 out of 30 GMs would have drafted Fultz. Only the Celtics would have drafted this combination.
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I could see Tatum as untradeable/untouchable but not Brown yet Brown in two years he could be top 5 SG. Very tough to picture either being dealt.
I reckon he is already top 15.
(in no particular order)
Harden
Klay
Oladipo
Beal
McCollum
Butler
DeRozan
Mitchell
Booker
Gary Harris
Reke
Can't think of anybody else who's better than Brown. I guess Jrue Holiday should be on this list as well, but he is only playing SG because of Rondo. Not to mention, Brown might already be better than 1-2 of those guys.
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If we manage to miraculously win finals, could see a lot of chatter to package Kyrie and/or Gordon and/or Sac Pick for either Ayton pick or Davis.
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I agree personally, but also I feel like Danny Ainge felt this post being made and gave an eyebrow raise and a quarter-smile so let's just see where the chips fall.
Think it's safe to say they both come back next year unless we get Davis or Kawhi with an extension.
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A Davis says Hey :)
You're living in a world that does not exist. If you're proposing Jaylen Brown for Anthony Davis straight up with no salary cap considerations, Davis is the guy. The problem is we cannot afford to have 5 max contracts at the same time. At some point, you have to look at it from a financial perspective and say that Jaylen Brown at 5 million is the biggest bargain in the entire NBA. You don't move that CONTRACT for anyone.
In a salary cap NBA, money is always a big issue. Danny Angie will have some tough decisions to make down the road.
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i like in year 2 after all the comparisons that Jaylen Brown is Jeff Green 2.0, Brown is proving himself to be something special, not to mention also facing Jeff Green in the ECF
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
I have to say I disagree with almost everything you had in that post. No way I would trade both Tatum and Brown for any one player in the league and especially not Giannis or Harden.
The trade list for Jalen is really funny. Brown might be better right now than Butler, DeRozan.
Excuse me while I go an poke my eyes out after that one. I am impressed in your ability to go against the grain though.
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
I have to say I disagree with almost everything you had in that post. No way I would trade both Tatum and Brown for any one player in the league and especially not Giannis or Harden.
The trade list for Jalen is really funny. Brown might be better right now than Butler, DeRozan.
Excuse me while I go an poke my eyes out after that one. I am impressed in your ability to go against the grain though.
Lol, go against the grain???
You do realize that when Kyrie and Hayward are back that Brown likely becomes our 4th best player by default?
All of these players are teams #1/1A options. All-stars.
How much Kool-Aid have you had to drink since Game 1?
The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
Karl Anthony Towns and Embiid are far more valuable than either one of Tatum and Brown, especially in a one-for-one trade scenario for our team, considering the rest of our roster. I would gladly trade either one of these guys to have a dominant center like Embiid/Towns to play alongside of Horford. It would make us unstoppable...
Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Horford/(Towns/Embiid)
Dude, you are so spun if you can't see how much more dominant that lineup would be for us...
Most of the list of seven I mentioned as Brown (but not Tatum) one-for-one trades would be almost snap calls to make, and even some would have to be considered for Tatum.
Or, you somehow think our 2 rookies are somehow top-10 players RIGHT NOW in the NBA, which I do believe is a very difficult argument to make.
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The issue is balance and the.... Bostonian heart...
Keep the guys here... with kyrie Horford and Hayward you have no flexibility to take more contracts...
And those kids play now well , have the potential to be great and love being in Boston... they got drafted and by us and everyone thought they were bad picks for us...
We are fine we do not need any trades just to be healthy
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
I have to say I disagree with almost everything you had in that post. No way I would trade both Tatum and Brown for any one player in the league and especially not Giannis or Harden.
The trade list for Jalen is really funny. Brown might be better right now than Butler, DeRozan.
Excuse me while I go an poke my eyes out after that one. I am impressed in your ability to go against the grain though.
exactly
the crazy thing is that they have barely scratched the surface
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I don't think anyone on this roster is un-tradeable. With that said, there is absolutely no reason to trade anyone right now. You've got 3 max contracts, all of whom are worth their contracts (assuming Hayward and Irving come back at or near 100%, which I do). Then you've got at least two potential superstars coming through the pipeline that you'd need to bump up to max money around the time that your older stars are coming off their current contracts.
In other words, the Celtics are in fantastic shape from a salary point of view if they want to continue this run for the next 5+ years.
One related point... Keep in mind that trading either Brown or Tatum for a superstar like Leonard wouldn't just mean that you'd have to add a fourth max contract right now (which would make it almost impossible to avoid the luxury tax). It would also mean that you'd forgo the opportunity for a "cheap" max contract player or two. When Brown and Tatum sign theirs, they'll only be eligible for 25% of the cap. Guys with more experience earn 30% or 35% depending on how many years they've been in the league. That actually makes a significant difference if you're looking to round out your team with solid role players.
Celtics would be wise to sit tight. There is nothing they need to do this summer, other than maybe trading Rozier (which I would endorse) and re-signing Smart. Go into 2018-19 with five all-star-caliber players and a solid bench and see where the chips land.
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
these are the same people who wanted us to trade the #3 2016 draft pick for nerlens Noel
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
these are the same people who wanted us to trade the #3 2016 draft pick for nerlens Noel
Or straight up for Okafor.
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
Haha I hope you're right dude!
But right now, you guys are insinuating that Brown and Tatum are top 15 NBA players, you know, since there are no trades worth giving either of these guys up for.... ::)
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
Haha I hope you're right dude!
But right now, you guys are insinuating that Brown and Tatum are top 15 NBA players, you know, since there are no trades worth giving either of these guys up for.... ::)
contracts, age and upside affect value as well
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
Haha I hope you're right dude!
But right now, you guys are insinuating that Brown and Tatum are top 15 NBA players, you know, since there are no trades worth giving either of these guys up for.... ::)
Actually, there is Giannis and Anthony Davis, and then they are the most valuable players, if you are going strictly in terms of long term team assets.
Kawhi Leonard was on that list, but he fell off this year. He might get back on if he comes back strong next year. The only other truly great players in the NBA are at least 7 years older than Jaylen. I really wouldn't give them up for anyone else.
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
these are the same people who wanted us to trade the #3 2016 draft pick for nerlens Noel
Or straight up for Okafor.
That's fair.
But then I'd say your the "same people" who didn't want to trade Big Al for KG. Because sending future 20/10 machine out for a washed PF was definitely a position that no small number of people argued. ;)
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
these are the same people who wanted us to trade the #3 2016 draft pick for nerlens Noel
Or straight up for Okafor.
That's fair.
But then I'd say your the "same people" who didn't want to trade Big Al for KG. Because sending future 20/10 machine out for a washed PF was definitely a position that no small number of people argued. ;)
I wish those threads weren't scrubbed out in the Great Purge. Would love to go back and read though peoples' thoughts about that trade. I certainly remember a contingent being anti-trade.
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
I have to say I disagree with almost everything you had in that post. No way I would trade both Tatum and Brown for any one player in the league and especially not Giannis or Harden.
The trade list for Jalen is really funny. Brown might be better right now than Butler, DeRozan.
Excuse me while I go an poke my eyes out after that one. I am impressed in your ability to go against the grain though.
Lol, go against the grain???
You do realize that when Kyrie and Hayward are back that Brown likely becomes our 4th best player by default?
All of these players are teams #1/1A options. All-stars.
How much Kool-Aid have you had to drink since Game 1?
The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
Karl Anthony Towns and Embiid are far more valuable than either one of Tatum and Brown, especially in a one-for-one trade scenario for our team, considering the rest of our roster. I would gladly trade either one of these guys to have a dominant center like Embiid/Towns to play alongside of Horford. It would make us unstoppable...
Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Horford/(Towns/Embiid)
Dude, you are so spun if you can't see how much more dominant that lineup would be for us...
Most of the list of seven I mentioned as Brown (but not Tatum) one-for-one trades would be almost snap calls to make, and even some would have to be considered for Tatum.
Or, you somehow think our 2 rookies are somehow top-10 players RIGHT NOW in the NBA, which I do believe is a very difficult argument to make.
Yech I wouldn't want to see Embiid anywhere near a Celtics uniform (right now at least). The dude is crazy talented and athletic no doubt but he's a man child, his attitude wouldn't cut it in Boston. Someone like Anthony Davis would be a much better fit IMO.
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I wish those threads weren't scrubbed out in the Great Purge. Would love to go back and read though peoples' thoughts about that trade. I certainly remember a contingent being anti-trade.
Oh yeah, the purge eliminated a lot of good reading.
I was just a lurker back then though, so I can't claim I had any special foresight. I was just excited that KG was coming. Heck I think the first KG trade rumors (that he killed pre-draft) are how I found CBlog.
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CF033
We loved Rondo, love the Marci, and we'd have zero problems quickly loving Embiid.
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Agreed. My biggest fear is that we stunt their growth thru lesser roles next season.
I have started to wonder about how things work next year as well.
Simple: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford
They are going to play small like GS. Tatum will add some bulk in the offseason but honestly there are few 3/4s in the league I would be worried about taking him the post. If they keep Baynes or have another 5, he will be situational.
Nothing to worry about.
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Players I would trade both Brown and Tatum for:
1. Kevin Durant
2. Anthony Davis
3. Greek Freak
4. James Harden
Players I would trade just one of EITHER player for:
1. Karl Anthony Towns
2. Joel Embiid
Players who don't make sense at all to trade for because of age/position
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. CP3
5. Wall
Players I would trade Brown for but NOT Tatum:
1. Kawhi
2. DeRozan
3. Jimmy Butler
4. Paul George
5. Boogie
6. Porzingis
7. Rudy Gobert
Tough to crunch so many scenarios, especially factoring the contract variable. Tatum is definitely the more "untradeable" in that he is far more consistent and his scoring range is far more polished. Tatum's ceiling is Durant, and I think he has a decent chance of reaching it. Brown reminds me of a young Kobe. Same athleticism, but the obvious moments where he hasn't grown in to his body so to speak. I think he is far more consistent than Bryant was in a young age, and Brown's defense at a young age is superior. I just think it is more likely for Tatum to reach his full potential compared to Brown.
Both players are very coachable though, and have bought in to Brad Stevens system 100%, so the sky is the limit for both of them. Their egos are in check, which is not typical of a young player with so much talent.....(see Ben Simmons).
To say they are "untradeable" is ridiculous, but for any of the players mentioned above to come available in a scenario where the Celtics are trade partners, to me, is highly unrealistic.
No offense, but I'm glad you're not GM.
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I wish those threads weren't scrubbed out in the Great Purge. Would love to go back and read though peoples' thoughts about that trade. I certainly remember a contingent being anti-trade.
Oh yeah, the purge eliminated a lot of good reading.
I was just a lurker back then though, so I can't claim I had any special foresight. I was just excited that KG was coming. Heck I think the first KG trade rumors (that he killed pre-draft) are how I found CBlog.
I thought the 'newest' forum was created at the very end of 2006. I remember it taking me a couple of weeks to re-create my profile (mine says Jan 12, 2007), but all of the old stuff before the KG trade should still be there.
On a related note, I am glad this version of the forum has lasted so long. I remember three versions before this one officially took over. And, while it's been a little iffy with 'connection problems' the last couple of years, it is nice to have so many years of posts chronicled.
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The 4 players mentioned in the Brown+Tatum trades get us INSTANT hang-ups from those front offices with the offers. You are looney-tunes to think otherwise.
I wouldn't trade them for anyone.
Mark this thread. In 5 years from now, you're going to look very, very looney-tunes.
these are the same people who wanted us to trade the #3 2016 draft pick for nerlens Noel
Or straight up for Okafor.
Or Greg Monroe :D (sorry, Moose!)
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just cuz this is relevant atm
(https://i.imgur.com/rRGiw5t.png)
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Brown 2nd season and Tatum 1st season
1 game away from the finals
Amazing.
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Brown 2nd season and Tatum 1st season
1 game away from the finals
Amazing.
How crazy would it be to clinch the first seat at the finals, then watch GS and Houston battle it out?
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As someone posted tonight on Twitter - next season the Celtics are looking at an end of game lineup of Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown and Tatum. Try guarding that.....
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Yeah, why would you trade players this young and this good already? We have two stars on rookie deals. You don't trade that.
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Yeah, why would you trade players this young and this good already? We have two stars on rookie deals. You don't trade that.
Set for the next 10 years!
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Kyrie and Hayward Memphis first for AD. Make it happen Danny
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As someone posted tonight on Twitter - next season the Celtics are looking at an end of game lineup of Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown and Tatum. Try guarding that.....
That "someone" didn't just make that up. Most of us have been salivating about this lineup for months. Thing is, Brown and Tatum are going to be even better next season. Let that sink in!
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The list of players I would give up one of these guys for is very small right now. Like, 2 people. That's it. And even then I wouldn't like it.
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I agree..plus Hayward can come back slowly and dontvhave to play alot of minutes
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.plus Hayward can come back slowly and dontvhave to play alot of minutes
I see him champing at the bit to come back.... and don't see a slowly to it.
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Next years gonna be fun