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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: OHCeltic on June 22, 2018, 01:55:22 PM
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If we can't resign Marcus Smart, Tyreke Evans should be our target. He would make that 2nd unit extremely dominate.
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Frankly, we don't need to sign anyone.
I'm pretty happy with a rotation 9 with Kyrie and Rozier at point, and Brown/Tatum/Hayward as the main wings. The bullpen behind them can survive the loss of Smart, as much as I like him.
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no move is necessary with Rozier and Larkin (cheaper sign)..
Evans is going to get paid and probably more than Smart
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
You’ve forgotten the Pacers, who are competitive, youngish, and could have $15+ million in cap space. They are definitely the most dangerous team in terms of making an offer that Boston can’t quite afford but wouldn’t be a crippling overpay.
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
Pacers could go hard at Smart.
EDIT: saltlover beat me to it lol.
Kevin Pritchard said the team plans to bring back starting point guard Darren Collison. His contract ($10M) becomes guaranteed on July 1.
“Everything is so fluid but at the end of the day, we said our top six, seven guys we wanted to have back. And then make additions."
Scratch that, you can take the Pacers out of the running most likely.
They are going to re-sign Darren Collison, which will definitely eat into some of their cap. B/R on Pacers reported that they are trying to have enough back up insurance at the 1/2.
Would say Mavs/Hawks could maybe go after Smart, I still think if Mavs miss out on Boogie, they could potentially try to go after someone like Len for a few million, and use the rest on Mavericks.
DSJ
Smart
Doncic
Barnes/Dirk
Isn't that bad of a start. Still they are going to need some serious upgrades to make any noise.
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
Pacers could go hard at Smart.
EDIT: saltlover beat me to it lol.
Kevin Pritchard said the team plans to bring back starting point guard Darren Collison. His contract ($10M) becomes guaranteed on July 1.
“Everything is so fluid but at the end of the day, we said our top six, seven guys we wanted to have back. And then make additions."
Scratch that, you can take the Pacers out of the running most likely.
They are going to re-sign Darren Collison, which will definitely eat into some of their cap. B/R on Pacers reported that they are trying to have enough back up insurance at the 1/2.
Would say Mavs/Hawks could maybe go after Smart, I still think if Mavs miss out on Boogie, they could potentially try to go after someone like Len for a few million, and use the rest on Mavericks.
DSJ
Smart
Doncic
Barnes/Dirk
Isn't that bad of a start. Still they are going to need some serious upgrades to make any noise.
Collison has 1-year left at $10 million, is 30, and is perfectly complimentary with Smart. His contract is included when talking about their cap space. The Pacers will not forego a long-term deal with Marcus because they have a year left of Collison on the roster.
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
Pacers could go hard at Smart.
EDIT: saltlover beat me to it lol.
Kevin Pritchard said the team plans to bring back starting point guard Darren Collison. His contract ($10M) becomes guaranteed on July 1.
“Everything is so fluid but at the end of the day, we said our top six, seven guys we wanted to have back. And then make additions."
Scratch that, you can take the Pacers out of the running most likely.
They are going to re-sign Darren Collison, which will definitely eat into some of their cap. B/R on Pacers reported that they are trying to have enough back up insurance at the 1/2.
Would say Mavs/Hawks could maybe go after Smart, I still think if Mavs miss out on Boogie, they could potentially try to go after someone like Len for a few million, and use the rest on Mavericks.
DSJ
Smart
Doncic
Barnes/Dirk
Isn't that bad of a start. Still they are going to need some serious upgrades to make any noise.
Collison has 1-year left at $10 million, is 30, and is perfectly complimentary with Smart. His contract is included when talking about their cap space. The Pacers will not forego a long-term deal with Marcus because they have a year left of Collison on the roster.
Thing is why do they even need Smart? They need a PF to replace Young, don't they?
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No one is going to have money to offer for Smart.
Dallas needs to spend its money on a Center.
Brooklyn just ate up their cap space with the Howard trade.
The Lakers and Rockets have bigger fish to fry.
Smart doesn't make sense for the Bulls or Sixers. I don't think he makes sense for the Kings either due to Fox in the backcourt.
That only leaves the Hawks. They could pair Young with Smart, which makes a lot of sense. With Evans, Bradley, Payton, KCP, Ellington, Van Fleet, Harris, Exum, and more also available, I'm not sure he makes the most sense for a rebuilding team.
Are the Hawks really willing to invest that much money in a non-shooter? Doesn't he make more sense on a playoff team.
After the teams I listed above, there are no other teams that would be looking for his services that would be willing to pay him more than the MLE.
Seriously, the only team I could see being able to offer him money is the Hawks. Otherwise, either he signs for 8-9 million a year, or accepts his QO and plays one more season.
Pacers could go hard at Smart.
EDIT: saltlover beat me to it lol.
Kevin Pritchard said the team plans to bring back starting point guard Darren Collison. His contract ($10M) becomes guaranteed on July 1.
“Everything is so fluid but at the end of the day, we said our top six, seven guys we wanted to have back. And then make additions."
Scratch that, you can take the Pacers out of the running most likely.
They are going to re-sign Darren Collison, which will definitely eat into some of their cap. B/R on Pacers reported that they are trying to have enough back up insurance at the 1/2.
Would say Mavs/Hawks could maybe go after Smart, I still think if Mavs miss out on Boogie, they could potentially try to go after someone like Len for a few million, and use the rest on Mavericks.
DSJ
Smart
Doncic
Barnes/Dirk
Isn't that bad of a start. Still they are going to need some serious upgrades to make any noise.
Collison has 1-year left at $10 million, is 30, and is perfectly complimentary with Smart. His contract is included when talking about their cap space. The Pacers will not forego a long-term deal with Marcus because they have a year left of Collison on the roster.
Thing is why do they even need Smart? They need a PF to replace Young, don't they?
My cap projection for them assumes that Young picks up his player option and they waive Al Jefferson and his partially guaranteed deal. Even if Young opts out, he’s expected to resign there, and I doubt he’d get significantly more than the $13.3 million he’s scheduled to make next season. He might get a little less, but at more years. So, no, I don’t think they’ll need to replace Young, and if they do, they’ve got another $13 million to do it with.
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If not smart then nobody I assume (since we'd be losing smart because of money).
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Horford and Irving can both be opting out so Im ok with waiting till next year to spend the MLE jic we need the cap space
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If not Smart then nobody I assume (since we'd be losing smart because of money).
This is not a bad position, especially if nothing is available that improves the team.
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what about phoenix?
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what about phoenix?
They would be a perfect fit for Smart and they are clearing cap space to have 10-15 million this summer. They need a point guard.
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If not Smart then nobody I assume (since we'd be losing smart because of money).
This is not a bad position, especially if nothing is available that improves the team.
I’m pretty sure adding Hayward and kyrie will improve the team.
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I'm going to LOVE watching the Celtics match whatever it takes to retain Smart. Thanks in advance Danny. The money doesn't concern those of us who aren't capologists.. 8) :)
back up plan...trade Morris back to Detroit with 2019 Celtics first round pick for Khyri Thomas.
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Pacers decline Lance Stephenson...he can play defense but a headcase
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I really think Dallas will offer Smart alot of cash..will celtics match if its high, i doubt it
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Pacers decline Lance Stephenson...he can play defense but a headcase
I just saw this. A couple of months ago, when I didn't realize the Pacers had a team option on him, I thought he would make the perfect Smart replacement. When I realized that he was only due $4.3M next year, I thought there was no way the Pacers wouldn't bring him back.
To me, this move either signifies that the Pacers will go hard after Smart or that Stephenson is totally not roster-worthy. Either way it works for us. In the first scenario, Stephenson becomes a very viable, affordable Smart replacement; in the second scenario, one major suitor is out on Smart.
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Wanamaker will be on the team. Might take smart’s minutes if he goes
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Calathes
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no move is necessary with Rozier and Larkin (cheaper sign)..
Yeah, because Larkin can guard four positions, get real. Larkin is a post up waiting to happen.
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no move is necessary with Rozier and Larkin (cheaper sign)..
Yeah, because Larkin can guard four positions, get real. Larkin is a post up waiting to happen.
Larkin is not returning to Boston
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Nick calathes is a great playmaker.. solid defence.. great vision bad shooter like smart...
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Pacers decline Lance Stephenson...he can play defense but a headcase
I just saw this. A couple of months ago, when I didn't realize the Pacers had a team option on him, I thought he would make the perfect Smart replacement. When I realized that he was only due $4.3M next year, I thought there was no way the Pacers wouldn't bring him back.
To me, this move either signifies that the Pacers will go hard after Smart or that Stephenson is totally not roster-worthy. Either way it works for us. In the first scenario, Stephenson becomes a very viable, affordable Smart replacement; in the second scenario, one major suitor is out on Smart.
Yeah, this decline scares me that Indiana will pursue Smart with fervor. Didn’t see them bailing on Lance at that kind of money.
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Looks like Wanamaker
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I think Dallas will offer him the most
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I don't like the idea of a player with some value leaving for nothing, but I've felt for some time that Smart's special defense and horrific offense add up to mediocrity.
We never really had enough guard talent that was better than him to take his minutes away, but we sure do now. Having Hayward and Rozier absorb his minutes makes us a better team. Danny might resign him because having a contract like that to move can be an asset, but I just don't see him being happy with what will probably be a smaller and smaller role. It will only get worse as yet another wave of nice draft picks is coming next year.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I kind of hope he goes somewhere else.
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What about David Nwaba? He has a 7-0 wingspan and has a reputation as a poor man's Smart: dive for loose balls, contest shots, hustle all the time.
Surely he will be cheaper than Smart?
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Any chance Dennis Johnson comes back to life? Him as a zombie probably has as much of a chance at replacing Smart as 90% of the players listed
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Larkin is not returning to Boston
I was being sarcastic, Bono!
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With the Pacers declining Stephenson's paltry $4.3M team option, this thread should remain in the Latest Forum Topics until Smart makes a decision. The possibility of him signing a contract out of our price range is very real.
In looking through some FA names, it would be best to focus on combo guards, but with Kyrie, Rozier, and Wanamaker able to handle PG duties, someone who plays primarily SG could be a possibility, too. One positive, we have pretty solid size in our backcourt. With no Smart, being hard-capped shouldn't really be an issue. Here are some possibilities - either with the tax payer MLE or all-out MLE:
Lance Stephenson - my choice, should be affordable and offers the same type of Smart 'fire'
Avery Bradley - who wouldn't love to have AB back? May be out of our range
Tyreke Evans - probably looking for a big pay day, but great fit
Aaron Afflalo - he is 33 now and coming off a big contract. Winning may be a priority
Elfrid Payton - decent young player who did not click with the Suns. Talented and cheap(?)
Isaiah Thomas - how cool would this be?
Mario Chalmers - underwhelming, but championship experience
Shelvin Mack - super-underwhelming, but he was a Stevens Butler guy
Austin Rivers - okay, probably time to shut my 2018 FA window now - a scoring combo guard
As has been discussed, with Kyrie back and Rozier able to take on major minutes, we aren't going to be desperate for Smart's minutes, but will need a veteran 4th guard should injuries/rest occur.
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With the Pacers declining Stephenson's paltry $4.3M team option, this thread should remain in the Latest Forum Topics until Smart makes a decision. The possibility of him signing a contract out of our price range is very real.
In looking through some FA names, it would be best to focus on combo guards, but with Kyrie, Rozier, and Wanamaker able to handle PG duties, someone who plays primarily SG could be a possibility, too. One positive, we have pretty solid size in our backcourt. With no Smart, being hard-capped shouldn't really be an issue. Here are some possibilities - either with the tax payer MLE or all-out MLE:
Lance Stephenson - my choice, should be affordable and offers the same type of Smart 'fire'
Avery Bradley - who wouldn't love to have AB back? May be out of our range
Tyreke Evans - probably looking for a big pay day, but great fit
Aaron Afflalo - he is 33 now and coming off a big contract. Winning may be a priority
Elfrid Payton - decent young player who did not click with the Suns. Talented and cheap(?)
Isaiah Thomas - how cool would this be?
Mario Chalmers - underwhelming, but championship experience
Shelvin Mack - super-underwhelming, but he was a Stevens Butler guy
Austin Rivers - okay, probably time to shut my 2018 FA window now - a scoring combo guard
As has been discussed, with Kyrie back and Rozier able to take on major minutes, we aren't going to be desperate for Smart's minutes, but will need a veteran 4th guard should injuries/rest occur.
RONDOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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With the Pacers declining Stephenson's paltry $4.3M team option, this thread should remain in the Latest Forum Topics until Smart makes a decision. The possibility of him signing a contract out of our price range is very real.
In looking through some FA names, it would be best to focus on combo guards, but with Kyrie, Rozier, and Wanamaker able to handle PG duties, someone who plays primarily SG could be a possibility, too. One positive, we have pretty solid size in our backcourt. With no Smart, being hard-capped shouldn't really be an issue. Here are some possibilities - either with the tax payer MLE or all-out MLE:
Lance Stephenson - my choice, should be affordable and offers the same type of Smart 'fire'
Avery Bradley - who wouldn't love to have AB back? May be out of our range
Tyreke Evans - probably looking for a big pay day, but great fit
Aaron Afflalo - he is 33 now and coming off a big contract. Winning may be a priority
Elfrid Payton - decent young player who did not click with the Suns. Talented and cheap(?)
Isaiah Thomas - how cool would this be?
Mario Chalmers - underwhelming, but championship experience
Shelvin Mack - super-underwhelming, but he was a Stevens Butler guy
Austin Rivers - okay, probably time to shut my 2018 FA window now - a scoring combo guard
As has been discussed, with Kyrie back and Rozier able to take on major minutes, we aren't going to be desperate for Smart's minutes, but will need a veteran 4th guard should injuries/rest occur.
RONDOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Oh, totally! I would genuinely love to add Rondo back to the team. ;D
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With the Pacers declining Stephenson's paltry $4.3M team option, this thread should remain in the Latest Forum Topics until Smart makes a decision. The possibility of him signing a contract out of our price range is very real.
In looking through some FA names, it would be best to focus on combo guards, but with Kyrie, Rozier, and Wanamaker able to handle PG duties, someone who plays primarily SG could be a possibility, too. One positive, we have pretty solid size in our backcourt. With no Smart, being hard-capped shouldn't really be an issue. Here are some possibilities - either with the tax payer MLE or all-out MLE:
Lance Stephenson - my choice, should be affordable and offers the same type of Smart 'fire'
Avery Bradley - who wouldn't love to have AB back? May be out of our range
Tyreke Evans - probably looking for a big pay day, but great fit
Aaron Afflalo - he is 33 now and coming off a big contract. Winning may be a priority
Elfrid Payton - decent young player who did not click with the Suns. Talented and cheap(?)
Isaiah Thomas - how cool would this be?
Mario Chalmers - underwhelming, but championship experience
Shelvin Mack - super-underwhelming, but he was a Stevens Butler guy
Austin Rivers - okay, probably time to shut my 2018 FA window now - a scoring combo guard
As has been discussed, with Kyrie back and Rozier able to take on major minutes, we aren't going to be desperate for Smart's minutes, but will need a veteran 4th guard should injuries/rest occur.
RONDOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
GET IT DONE DANNY!!! Please!!
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Smart adds a lot to the team, but the fact remains you cannot pay the 6th or 7th best player on the your team a big salary. It would be financially irresponsible and the kind of contract you'll regret in 2 or 3 years.