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We could use this thread to discuss the Red Sox all throughout the season.
Great start today, and a great win on Opening Day @Fenway!
Nice to see the Pats get honored, and seeing the TB12 and Gronk "chase"... :laugh:
Porcello looked fantastic, but unfortunately Matt "Inconsistent" Barnes made it look like Porcello had a mediocre day with his final line.
Hopefully bullpen gets healthy because if we have Barnes pitching in high leverage situations.. oh boy.
Also it's not a win without a signature 9th inning heart attack courtesy of "Wild Thang" Kimbrel ::) :laugh:
Chris Sale debuts for Boston on Wednesday. Can't wait!
Way I see it, the Sox "win" the Chris Sale deal if the following two things happen:
1. Red Sox win a World Series sometime within next 3-4 years with Sale pitching well
2. Moncada DOES NOT become an elite player like say, Trout or Cano
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To brighten up people's moods after the Celtics (horrible) loss...
Red Sox walk it off in 12 innings courtesy of a Sandy Leon 3-Run HR!!!
Chris Sale had a phenomenal debut throwing 7 shutout innings with 7Ks.
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To brighten up people's moods after the Celtics (horrible) loss...
Red Sox walk it off in 12 innings courtesy of a Sandy Leon 3-Run HR!!!
Chris Sale had a phenomenal debut throwing 7 shutout innings with 7Ks.
I watched the game. It was fun and sandy's homer was a no-doubter. Way way back. ;D
So far sandy is hitting once more. I hope it is season long this time.
Sale looked great. Once price is back the sox will be hard to beat.
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Sandy Leon for MVP! Best hitter since David Ortiz!
Kimbrel meanwhile continues to give us heart attacks every 9th inning, even with comfortable leads... >:(
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Sandy Leon for MVP! Best hitter since David Ortiz!
Kimbrel meanwhile continues to give us heart attacks every 9th inning, even with comfortable leads... >:(
Tell me about it. Today's game had to be the most irritating win I have ever seen. >:(
Leon, is he for real? Or is he the pumpkin at the end of last year? Too early to tell, but fun to watch him play. He is good on defense too.
Sox are fun this year.....save for Kimbrel. :(
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Sandy Leon for MVP! Best hitter since David Ortiz!
Kimbrel meanwhile continues to give us heart attacks every 9th inning, even with comfortable leads... >:(
Tell me about it. Today's game had to be the most irritating win I have ever seen. >:(
Leon, is he for real? Or is he the pumpkin at the end of last year? Too early to tell, but fun to watch him play. He is good on defense too.
Sox are fun this year.....save for Kimbrel. :(
Now if only Kimbrel can actually have better saves .. :laugh:
It's been a rocky start mainly due to the flu, bereavement lists and injuries...
Glad to be 3-2 though.
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Well, their great season continues, with Porcello the latest dud.
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It's like clockwork, every winter the Red Sox win the off-season, get people excited about players who are going to have a comeback season in spring training, and then get everybody mad in April and May.
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It's like clockwork, every winter the Red Sox win the off-season, get people excited about players who are going to have a comeback season in spring training, and then get everybody mad in April and May.
Yep, and the Boston media has a field day with that stuff (Tanguay, Felger, Mazz, etc.) :laugh:
Hopefully they actually give Sale some dang run support today otherwise he's gonna get REAL frustrated with the team.
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We're .500 10 games into the season. Hardly any reason to panic.
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The Red Sox are a top 5 team. They should get to around 90 wins or so, enough to make the playoffs. On paper, the Sale, Price, and Porcello rotation looks good, though I'm not convinced Price will be healthy, and not convinced Porcello is as consistent as I'd like. Pomeranz can jump in as well. I think Kimbrel has a bounce back year.
The lineup is very solid, and built to win for a long time. Betts, Boegarts, Benitendi, and Bradley are all young and talented. Pablo looks better early, and Pedey is still capable of performing at a high level.
I don't think the Indians, or any other team in the AL, should be better.
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I've noticed, when the Red Sox lose, the Bruins/Celtics win their playoff games.
When the Sox win, the Bruins/Celtics lose their playoff games.
C's have only played 1 playoff game, but it applies to the Bruins well lol.
Win game 1 Wednesday (Red Sox lost that day). Lose game 2 Saturday (Red Sox won that day).
And yesterday, Red Sox won, Celtics lost.
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This team looks flat out bad.
Too many double plays, 3rd basemen playing like 5-year olds, no clutch hitter on this team, and our poor pitchers barely getting run support or help from the defense. :(
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If you're depressed from the C's game like me, tune into the Red Sox game!
Chris Sale dominating right now and Sox up 2-0 through 4 innings.
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Thoughts so far this season?
34-27, 3 games back of 1st and firmly in 2nd for now.
Given the shaky start and with all the injuries, I think the Sox have done fairly well.
Porcello struggling doesn't help though, and neither does ERod being on the DL now (though hopefully he can come back real soon as reports indicate - maybe in the next 5 days).
Biggest problem is 3B.
Regardless, a favorable stretch here with DET (go for the sweep tonight) and then 4 straight against the free falling Phillies. Need to take advantage. Yankees keep on winning unfortunately.. :(
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Thoughts so far this season?
34-27, 3 games back of 1st and firmly in 2nd for now.
Given the shaky start and with all the injuries, I think the Sox have done fairly well.
Porcello struggling doesn't help though, and neither does ERod being on the DL now (though hopefully he can come back real soon as reports indicate - maybe in the next 5 days).
Biggest problem is 3B.
Regardless, a favorable stretch here with DET (go for the sweep tonight) and then 4 straight against the free falling Phillies. Need to take advantage. Yankees keep on winning unfortunately.. :(
Between Ramirez, Sandoval, and Price, this is easily my least favorite franchise in town. Can't stand them.
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Well, that was a fun game.
I am sure Pomeranz is psyched that Hembree was brought into the game for a grand slam. There goes the ERA. EDIT: at least one was unearned.
As for this Sox team, it's alright, but no Papi means nobody to strike fear into the heart of the opponents in the middle of the line-up. I love our young guys and we have great front line pitching (too bad about Wright this year), but this doesn't currently feel like a World Series champion. Perhaps that missing piece will come via trade.
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Thoughts so far this season?
34-27, 3 games back of 1st and firmly in 2nd for now.
Given the shaky start and with all the injuries, I think the Sox have done fairly well.
Porcello struggling doesn't help though, and neither does ERod being on the DL now (though hopefully he can come back real soon as reports indicate - maybe in the next 5 days).
Biggest problem is 3B.
Regardless, a favorable stretch here with DET (go for the sweep tonight) and then 4 straight against the free falling Phillies. Need to take advantage. Yankees keep on winning unfortunately.. :(
Between Ramirez, Sandoval, and Price, this is easily my least favorite franchise in town. Can't stand them.
What? Why? Because of only those 3?
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Well, that was a fun game.
I am sure Pomeranz is psyched that Hembree was brought into the game for a grand slam. There goes the ERA. EDIT: at least one was unearned.
As for this Sox team, it's alright, but no Papi means nobody to strike fear into the heart of the opponents in the middle of the line-up. I love our young guys and we have great front line pitching (too bad about Wright this year), but this doesn't currently feel like a World Series champion. Perhaps that missing piece will come via trade.
Yeah I hate to say it but there's no fire in this team. Pedroia I hoped would be a true leader but it doesn't seem like it so far. Astros seem like the team running away with it and may very well be in the World Series come October/November.
And truthfully, this was another pathetic outing by Pomeranz. Yeah, error at the beginning of the inning wasn't his fault, BUT he proceeds to load them up and yet again, BEFORE 5 INNINGS, has nearly 100 pitches.. ::)
Hembree has been very solid much of this season, but tonight is just not his night.
Hopefully Detroit's bullpen is atrocious again tonight and the Sox offense can get to them, but I truthfully think this game is over..
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Thoughts so far this season?
34-27, 3 games back of 1st and firmly in 2nd for now.
Given the shaky start and with all the injuries, I think the Sox have done fairly well.
Porcello struggling doesn't help though, and neither does ERod being on the DL now (though hopefully he can come back real soon as reports indicate - maybe in the next 5 days).
Biggest problem is 3B.
Regardless, a favorable stretch here with DET (go for the sweep tonight) and then 4 straight against the free falling Phillies. Need to take advantage. Yankees keep on winning unfortunately.. :(
Between Ramirez, Sandoval, and Price, this is easily my least favorite franchise in town. Can't stand them.
What? Why? Because of only those 3?
Those three are just the easiest to snipe at. There's enough dejection the spread around liberally, though. So let's see...
Ramirez has pretty much refused to play 1B this season.
Sandoval can't be bothered to get himself in shape in which he can be mistaken for an actual baseball player.
Price doesn't talk to the media because they hurt his feelings, and got into a scrum with a reporter.
Those are the highest paid guys on your squad, your team leaders so to say. But the buck doesn't stop there:
Pedroia felt it's ok to throw his teammates under the bus from the top step of the dugout during a game.
Pomeranz whined about being taken early out of a game one week after his elbow was about to explode (perhaps he should try to take less than 100 pitches to get out of the 4th).
Farrell has the charisma of a dead fish, is less informative than sports talk radio, and has the habit of hanging his players out to dry. I guess that is compensated by the fact that he's a horrible in-game manager and has totally lost any semblance of control over the clubhouse.
If I could start tomorrow with Sale, Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, JBJ, and Rodriguez, I'd do it in a heartbeat. To think we could have had Lovullo, Lester and even Travis Shaw here instead is just maddening.
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I actually love Hanley.
Despise Pomeranz. Agree with you on Sandoval and Price.
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Porcello stinking it up again against a MINOR LEAGUE Phillies team... >:(
Meanwhile the Sox just need to get rid of Sandoval. Admit he was a pure bust and move on, get some closure and focus on the next future at 3B (Devers, with Rutledge/Marrerro and potential trade deadline acquisition holding fort at 3B for the time being).
They traded BOTH Moncada/Shaw with hopes Sandoval could produce and HE HASN'T.
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Did Farrell really just leave Sandoval in on defense in the 9th when Marrero is sitting on the bench? That guy is truly incompetent.
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Did Farrell really just leave Sandoval in on defense in the 9th when Marrero is sitting on the bench? That guy is truly incompetent.
They need to officially do something with Sandoval.
Admit he was a bust and find some closure there. They can't keep going on like this with a 3B conundrum. They let Moncada and Shaw leave via trade because they had faith in Sandoval SMH.
Marrerro/Rutledge honestly have done solid BUT are bench/platoon guys, NOT everyday starting 3B.
Although Sandoval did get the hit and was ultimately the winning run lol (Marerro running in his place).
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Red Sox end the first half at 50-39 and are 3.5 games ahead for first place in the AL East. ;D
A little inconsistent, some nagging injuries, and a bit of a wild ride overall, but I'm pretty pleased that they are 50-39 despite it all. Good thing NYY lost quite a bit in June as well haha.
Kennedy says a decision on Sandoval could be made "in the coming days".. PLEASE just let him go. Admit it was a bust signing, and just move on and gain some closure. Done with Sandoval. >:(
Will be interesting to see what the Red Sox do at the trade deadline though. I hope they don't make any big moves (I mean... the Sox barely have a farm system now unfortunately - pretty top heavy), but if they do, I'd like to see them give up low-mid level prospects for a good reliever (sort of like how they acquired Ziegler for cheap last year, and he did fantastic for the Diamondbacks, AND the Red Sox in his time here).
For now at 3B, keep it with Marrero (sort of like 2013 Drew with his spectacular defense), and Lin, and hope Rutledge comes back too for depth later on.
Todd Frazier is an option at 3B through trade but ONLY if White Sox eat some cash and it doesn't cost too much, but Frazier also doesn't offer too much outside of some power (can hit HRs pretty well). He's hitting like .213 as well, so not an elite hitter.
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Trade Deadline tomorrow at 4 PM EST.
I wonder if the Red Sox even do anything. Does the front office think it's worth investing in this team? I truthfully don't think it is. They are playing with no heart and look like an inconsistent team with multiple flaws.
But if they make a trade (or two), how about JAY BRUCE? Maybe a Bruce + Reed package (Rental Power Bat + Rental 7th/8th Inning Arm)? I didn't realize this but before Bruce had Boston in his limited no trade clause list of 8 teams. But now Boston is NOT on that list, so he could be had. Bruce has 27 HR and 72 RBI this season and could be our primary DH and occasional OF/1B. Sox NEED a bat like that and you can move Moreland and Young to the bench as pinch hitters/defensive sub. Hanley plays more 1B.
All day we heard rumors that the Red Sox were planning to go "all in" for Reed and it seems, in a sense, destined Reed will be traded to Boston. Rosenthal, Olney, etc mentioned the Red Sox were a likely landing spot for Reed. And hey, we saw what UNFORTUNATELY happened today in the 8th inning without Kelly (bridge to Kimbrel). :'( (UGLY LOSS)
I REALLY wanted Neshek though (rather than Reed) and can't believe the Sox didn't get him. He didn't even fetch much in a trade smh...
If we miss out on Reed, Kintzler (Twins Closer) is still an option.
Either way, all hell will break loose tomorrow with all the rumors, players, teams, discussions, etc until 4PM EST lol.
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Farrell's got to go
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The Sox have lots of issues.
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The Sox have lots of issues.
Everybody does except the Astros. There is no reason the Sox shouldn't make the playoffs (and frankly take out the Yankees for a non-Wildcard position), but they need to start playing with more consistency. Just a few weeks ago, they looked poised to run away with the division.
It's been disappointing as of late, but there are still two months left before the end of the season. No reason to jump off a ledge yet.
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The Sox have lots of issues.
You said it.
Bad managing, especially in the 8th inning and the lineup, bad management upstairs (failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg), bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it), and finally bad Boston media (the Price vs Eck soap opera has been taken to extremes on the tweets, with the media siding with the media, Eck. And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Farrell has lost two games for Sale by not letting him get the 3rd out in the 8th inning. Yesterday, he lost another by not letting Workman, his current best reliever, come out for the 8th after getting the final out in the 7th. Inexcusable blunder.
The result of all this is the team is crashing. And it looks like Dombrowski will do nothing to get that setup guy at the trade deadline today. If he doesn't, it's a lost season. They won't make the playoffs.
The Celtics and the Patriots are a breath of fresh air in this town. Why? They have better management which handles the press much better. Keeps them a distance from the players.
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
I'm pretty tired of Price's act. His first 1/2 season in Boston he was terrible, then he starts off this season injured, then opens his mouth when all Eck did was speak the truth—E-Rod has indeed been yuck this season. Price needs to keep quiet and focus on his game.
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
I'm pretty tired of Price's act. His first 1/2 season in Boston he was terrible, then he starts off this season injured, then opens his mouth when all Eck did was speak the truth—E-Rod has indeed been yuck this season. Price needs to keep quiet and focus on his game.
I am waaay more tired of the local "sports media" (ie TMZ). They would rather focus on two men having a verbal scuffle a month ago than what is happening in the sports world. Belaboring the point to guys like Dombrowski, Farrell, and Pedroia reeks of click bait.
I would rather hear about what 5th graders aren't getting along at the local school. I would rather hear about how the Red Sox team is doing and how they can improve.
Bill Belichick would have a field day on this media: talk about guys who are playing, and not about the guys on the DL.
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Addison Reed to the rescue
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Addison Reed to the rescue
But can he hit? ;D
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
Throwing a baseball overhand nearly 100 mph repeatedly for a few years will do that. Check the injury report for all the other MLB teams.
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
Throwing a baseball overhand nearly 100 mph repeatedly for a few years will do that. Check the injury report for all the other MLB teams.
Carson Smith is a sidearm pitcher who throws a 92 mph fastball. Also, less than half of his pitches are fastballs...
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
Of course they did. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it seems it won't be Farrell and his band of crybabies.
Throwing a baseball overhand nearly 100 mph repeatedly for a few years will do that. Check the injury report for all the other MLB teams.
Sure, except that no other team (as far as I know) acquired a key setup man, two years running, only to have both players suffer a significant injury before their Sox career really got started (Smith pitched a whopping 2 2/3 innings, Thornburg 0). That's not something that happens a lot, and it's had a big negative affect on the Sox.
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Addison Reed to the rescue
Ask and you shall receive.
...bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it)
What are you talking about? Payrolls seems to vary according to what site you visit, but the Red Sox are strongly entrenched in 3rd, just behind the Yankees. There is definitely an argument to be made about how the money should be spent, but complaining that the Red Sox don't spend enough money comes off as sounding very spoiled. Almost every other team would love to have the money and resources that the Sox have.
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(failure to get a setup guy after trying twice with Smith and Thornburg)
At this point, between these and Price one has to ask themselves why multiple pitchers have come down with arm/elbow issues shortly after joining the team. There was some talk about the throwing program being full of crap but that got swept under the rug quicker than you can say "tommy john".
And the management apologized to Eck--a slap in the face to the players who supported Price.)
I agree that Price should shut up. It just provides fodder for the media--what they make their living on. I also think Eck is now a media guy, and his HOF credentials have nothing to do with this. His criticism of ERod rehab was groundless. Apparently, some of the Red Sox are sensitive to his criticisms. I can't blame them. Maybe he isn't cut out for this job.
I think the management was gutless for not supporting their players. The players maybe are reacting to that by not giving a [dang]. Belichick would never do that. He eats the media for lunch, regardless of whether they pay the bills or not.
I agree with the comment about so many pitchers traded for and coming down with arm injuries. Is it the Red Sox conditioning program? The media isn't asking. Henry seems to be in their pocket, since he owns the Globe. Conflict of interest? The media isn't asking.
As for Farrell, I see they took the 8th inning away from him by trading for Reed. Good move, since he's cost them at least 5 games with bad 8th inning moves . Like yesterday, replacing Workman to start the 8th. What you call an unforced error.
But I do give Farrell credit for supporting his players on Price-Eck. Doubt he and that pitching coach of his will be back next year. Don't see them in the playoffs, even with Reed.
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Addison Reed to the rescue
Ask and you shall receive.
...bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it)
What are you talking about? Payrolls seems to vary according to what site you visit, but the Red Sox are strongly entrenched in 3rd, just behind the Yankees. There is definitely an argument to be made about how the money should be spent, but complaining that the Red Sox don't spend enough money comes off as sounding very spoiled. Almost every other team would love to have the money and resources that the Sox have.
The Red Sox problem is they have spent a lot of their money poorly (Craig, Panda, Castillo, Smith, Thornburg trades, etc). And have damaged some guys playing them out of position in LF(Swihart, Hanley).That has put them in a hole where they can't spend much more unless they want to pay the luxury tax. And Henry won't do that. The Yankees? The luxury tax is a joke to them. Always has been. They see an opening here, and have turned on the afterburners. Good for them. I like Girardi better than Farrell anyways. The Yanks have paid over a billion dollars in luxury taxes since the start of it, and they ain't stopping if they think they can win.
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Addison Reed to the rescue
Ask and you shall receive.
...bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it)
What are you talking about? Payrolls seems to vary according to what site you visit, but the Red Sox are strongly entrenched in 3rd, just behind the Yankees. There is definitely an argument to be made about how the money should be spent, but complaining that the Red Sox don't spend enough money comes off as sounding very spoiled. Almost every other team would love to have the money and resources that the Sox have.
The Red Sox problem is they have spent a lot of their money poorly (Craig, Panda, Castillo, Smith, Thornburg trades, etc). And have damaged some guys playing them out of position in LF(Swihart, Hanley).That has put them in a hole where they can't spend much more unless they want to pay the luxury tax. And Henry won't do that. The Yankees? The luxury tax is a joke to them. Always has been. They see an opening here, and have turned on the afterburners. Good for them. I like Girardi better than Farrell anyways. The Yanks have paid over a billion dollars in luxury taxes since the start of it, and they ain't stopping if they think they can win.
No disagreement there, but it is hard not to like any other manager better than Farrell. I suppose he deserves some credit for the miraculous 2014 WS championship team, but it has been time to move on for a while now.
Frankly, I wish the MLB would adopt similar payroll restrictions to sports like the NBA or NFL. This would certainly not work out in the Red Sox favor, but blindly spending tens of millions of dollars on perennial losers isn't helping our cause. Our payroll (and dead money) is stocked with crappy/overrated players. Like $80M/yr alone is locked up in Price, Hanley, and Sandoval. It's embarrassing. And it's not like Porcello has been tearing it up with his $20M+/yr contract. That is over $100M/yr for just those four guys.
Our best players don't even make any money - it's crazy.
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Addison Reed to the rescue
Ask and you shall receive.
...bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it)
What are you talking about? Payrolls seems to vary according to what site you visit, but the Red Sox are strongly entrenched in 3rd, just behind the Yankees. There is definitely an argument to be made about how the money should be spent, but complaining that the Red Sox don't spend enough money comes off as sounding very spoiled. Almost every other team would love to have the money and resources that the Sox have.
The Red Sox problem is they have spent a lot of their money poorly (Craig, Panda, Castillo, Smith, Thornburg trades, etc). And have damaged some guys playing them out of position in LF(Swihart, Hanley).That has put them in a hole where they can't spend much more unless they want to pay the luxury tax. And Henry won't do that. The Yankees? The luxury tax is a joke to them. Always has been. They see an opening here, and have turned on the afterburners. Good for them. I like Girardi better than Farrell anyways. The Yanks have paid over a billion dollars in luxury taxes since the start of it, and they ain't stopping if they think they can win.
No disagreement there, but it is hard not to like any other manager better than Farrell. I suppose he deserves some credit for the miraculous 2014 WS championship team, but it has been time to move on for a while now.
Frankly, I wish the MLB would adopt similar payroll restrictions to sports like the NBA or NFL. This would certainly not work out in the Red Sox favor, but blindly spending tens of millions of dollars on perennial losers isn't helping our cause. Our payroll (and dead money) is stocked with crappy/overrated players. Like $80M/yr alone is locked up in Price, Hanley, and Sandoval. It's embarrassing. And it's not like Porcello has been tearing it up with his $20M+/yr contract. That is over $100M/yr for just those four guys.
Our best players don't even make any money - it's crazy.
Yeah, MLB is built for big markets with no salary cap. Steinbrenner's Yankees capitalized on that, and now the latest Yankee actions indicate they are set to repeat it. Very clever what they did--bought a couple of stud closers as FAs (Miller, Chapman), then traded them for prospects to rejuvenate their farm system. Then re-signed Chapman back. Clever, indeed.
Ben Cherington was no match for Cashman. Poor Ben was in over his head after lucky '14. He did nothing right after that. Neither did Henry, except for hiring Dombrowski as soon as he became available. DD has been good, except for bad luck with Smith and Thornburg. The lack of a setup guy has killed them this year, as Farrell can't seem to make a correct pitching decision in the 8th inning. That has been effectively taken out of his hands with the trade for setup guy Reed.
I'm slightly more optimistic than before the Reed deal, but I think the Yankees have seized the day and will be tough to overcome. They smelled blood and are going for the jugular. They also get tons of media support in the networks. The Red Sox in high gear are still the class of the East, but Farrell is a liability who costs them games.
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Just wanted to post an update since last week everybody was ready to jump off of the proverbial cliff.
The Red Sox have won their last 4 games - including 5 of their last 6.
The Yankees have lost their last 4 games - including 5 of their last 6.
The Red Sox now lead the division by 3 games.
This doesn't mean the Red Sox are ready to run away with the division, just to show that the baseball season is REALLY long and teams go through peaks and valleys. Hopefully the Sox can keep this upward trajectory and head into the postseason as the division winners rather than have to compete as a wildcard team (or fail miserably and miss the playoffs altogether!).
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Addison Reed to the rescue
Ask and you shall receive.
...bad ownership (Henry refuses to pay luxury tax while his competition, the Yankees, laugh at it)
What are you talking about? Payrolls seems to vary according to what site you visit, but the Red Sox are strongly entrenched in 3rd, just behind the Yankees. There is definitely an argument to be made about how the money should be spent, but complaining that the Red Sox don't spend enough money comes off as sounding very spoiled. Almost every other team would love to have the money and resources that the Sox have.
The Red Sox problem is they have spent a lot of their money poorly (Craig, Panda, Castillo, Smith, Thornburg trades, etc). And have damaged some guys playing them out of position in LF(Swihart, Hanley).That has put them in a hole where they can't spend much more unless they want to pay the luxury tax. And Henry won't do that. The Yankees? The luxury tax is a joke to them. Always has been. They see an opening here, and have turned on the afterburners. Good for them. I like Girardi better than Farrell anyways. The Yanks have paid over a billion dollars in luxury taxes since the start of it, and they ain't stopping if they think they can win.
No disagreement there, but it is hard not to like any other manager better than Farrell. I suppose he deserves some credit for the miraculous 2014 WS championship team, but it has been time to move on for a while now.
Frankly, I wish the MLB would adopt similar payroll restrictions to sports like the NBA or NFL. This would certainly not work out in the Red Sox favor, but blindly spending tens of millions of dollars on perennial losers isn't helping our cause. Our payroll (and dead money) is stocked with crappy/overrated players. Like $80M/yr alone is locked up in Price, Hanley, and Sandoval. It's embarrassing. And it's not like Porcello has been tearing it up with his $20M+/yr contract. That is over $100M/yr for just those four guys.
Our best players don't even make any money - it's crazy.
Yeah, MLB is built for big markets with no salary cap. Steinbrenner's Yankees capitalized on that, and now the latest Yankee actions indicate they are set to repeat it. Very clever what they did--bought a couple of stud closers as FAs (Miller, Chapman), then traded them for prospects to rejuvenate their farm system. Then re-signed Chapman back. Clever, indeed.
Ben Cherington was no match for Cashman. Poor Ben was in over his head after lucky '14. He did nothing right after that. Neither did Henry, except for hiring Dombrowski as soon as he became available. DD has been good, except for bad luck with Smith and Thornburg. The lack of a setup guy has killed them this year, as Farrell can't seem to make a correct pitching decision in the 8th inning. That has been effectively taken out of his hands with the trade for setup guy Reed.
I'm slightly more optimistic than before the Reed deal, but I think the Yankees have seized the day and will be tough to overcome. They smelled blood and are going for the jugular. They also get tons of media support in the networks. The Red Sox in high gear are still the class of the East, but Farrell is a liability who costs them games.
Errr, any particular reason you guys keep bringing up the 2014 Red Sox? The 2013 Red Sox team that won the World Series seems like it would fit in better
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Errr, any particular reason you guys keep bringing up the 2014 Red Sox? The 2013 Red Sox team that won the World Series seems like it would fit in better
I usually expect better out of you, BJ. It couldn't have been a typo, or anything. I'm sure glad you were here to point out a small mistake.
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Just wanted to post an update since last week everybody was ready to jump off of the proverbial cliff.
The Red Sox have won their last 4 games - including 5 of their last 6.
The Yankees have lost their last 4 games - including 5 of their last 6.
The Red Sox now lead the division by 3 games.
This doesn't mean the Red Sox are ready to run away with the division, just to show that the baseball season is REALLY long and teams go through peaks and valleys. Hopefully the Sox can keep this upward trajectory and head into the postseason as the division winners rather than have to compete as a wildcard team (or fail miserably and miss the playoffs altogether!).
Yep, well said. Now Red Sox have won 6 straight! ;D
Too bad the Yankees won the past 2 games, and the entire division (minus Jays) won today (UGH), but over the course of the past 4 games, the Red Sox have gained like 2 games on every team. 8)
Addison Reed has looked stellar so far. I know he gave up the HR in his Red Sox debut on just his 2nd pitch, but that was the only bad pitch I've seen so far out of him, and trust me, it's NOT EASY to switch teams within a few days and still pitch very well. Since the HR, Reed has looked lights out.
And how about Nunez! I knew he would come in and provide some hits (guy was hitting .300+ before he got here), but wow, his defense (biggest weakness) has actually been okay/solid, but HIS POWER has been unbelievable. Devers and Nunez BIG reasons this team is streaking now. Nunez had 4 HR all season with SF, now has 4 in just 9 games with Boston. I think Fenway Park suits his skills a lot better than the pitcher-friendly confines of AT&T Park.
And honestly, you couldn't have asked for more from Fister since Price went back on the DL. Last 2 games, he's 2-0 with a 3.21 ERA (14 innings, 5 runs), 12Ks, and not many walks. This included a GEM against probably the 2nd (or 3rd) best team in the entire AL.
This upcoming week will be a HUGE stretch though. 2 games against TB, and 3 against the Yankees. Sox need to take advantage, but they better not get swept by either team at least LOL. :laugh:
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Things sure have changed since the trade deadline. Dombrowski is coming up roses with Devers, Reed and Nunez. Except for Thornburg, he's done a very good job with trades and FAs. They are still, however, hamstrung by bad deals of Cherington/Henry, which limits their spending unless Henry wants to pay luxury tax.
Heck, even Fister has turned it around the last couple starts. The lineup has joined in the hitting with Nunez and Devers, who initially sparked the team. Pomeranz is looking as good as Sale (!) Now if Price comes around, they'll run away with the AL East, and quiet all the Yankee hype on MLB network.
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Red sox are killing it
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Things sure have changed since the trade deadline. Dombrowski is coming up roses with Devers, Reed and Nunez. Except for Thornburg, he's done a very good job with trades and FAs. They are still, however, hamstrung by bad deals of Cherington/Henry, which limits their spending unless Henry wants to pay luxury tax.
Heck, even Fister has turned it around the last couple starts. The lineup has joined in the hitting with Nunez and Devers, who initially sparked the team. Pomeranz is looking as good as Sale (!) Now if Price comes around, they'll run away with the AL East, and quiet all the Yankee hype on MLB network.
My biggest issue with DD is he sometimes overpays unnecessarily in some deals (like for Kimbrel, could have gotten him for 3 prospects, instead traded 4), then gave up a Top-15 prospect in all of MLB for Pomeranz (which looks better not but was real head-scratching last season). Also, now gives up 3 prospects for a rental (seems a bit hefty). Slowly could be turning us into the new Detroit Tigers with no farm, some bad contracts. Hopefully the Sox can win a World Series sometime within the next 3-4 years... something DET couldn't do with Dombrowski.
That being said, I think the Sox may be willing to go past the luxury tax next year. Their penalties will be a lot less since they avoided going over the tax this year and last. Plus they will have many contracts coming off the books after next season and the 2019 season (Moreland, Young, Sandoval - THANK GOD, Porcello, Hanley, etc). They can probably afford a luxury tax year next year as a result and with a huge 2018 class coming in FA (Harper, Donaldson, Machado, etc. etc.), Sox could look to pounce there as well as work on extensions for some current guys (Betts, JBJ, etc.).
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Good game so far today
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Good game so far today
Good outing from Porcello and the pen. Sox benefitted from some Tampa Bay blunders (hey, maybe that should be their team name!), but I'll take it.
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Overon SoSH they all jokingly attribute the wins to having meat-themed game threads. ;D
Maybe we need those for our Celtics.
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Things sure have changed since the trade deadline. Dombrowski is coming up roses with Devers, Reed and Nunez. Except for Thornburg, he's done a very good job with trades and FAs. They are still, however, hamstrung by bad deals of Cherington/Henry, which limits their spending unless Henry wants to pay luxury tax.
Heck, even Fister has turned it around the last couple starts. The lineup has joined in the hitting with Nunez and Devers, who initially sparked the team. Pomeranz is looking as good as Sale (!) Now if Price comes around, they'll run away with the AL East, and quiet all the Yankee hype on MLB network.
My biggest issue with DD is he sometimes overpays unnecessarily in some deals (like for Kimbrel, could have gotten him for 3 prospects, instead traded 4), then gave up a Top-15 prospect in all of MLB for Pomeranz (which looks better not but was real head-scratching last season). Also, now gives up 3 prospects for a rental (seems a bit hefty). Slowly could be turning us into the new Detroit Tigers with no farm, some bad contracts. Hopefully the Sox can win a World Series sometime within the next 3-4 years... something DET couldn't do with Dombrowski.
That being said, I think the Sox may be willing to go past the luxury tax next year. Their penalties will be a lot less since they avoided going over the tax this year and last. Plus they will have many contracts coming off the books after next season and the 2019 season (Moreland, Young, Sandoval - THANK GOD, Porcello, Hanley, etc). They can probably afford a luxury tax year next year as a result and with a huge 2018 class coming in FA (Harper, Donaldson, Machado, etc. etc.), Sox could look to pounce there as well as work on extensions for some current guys (Betts, JBJ, etc.).
Agree with everything except the Nunez trade. They gave up 3 average prospects for an excellent utility player that we desperately needed. And so far Nunez has looked like an all star, he's tearing the cover off the ball. And in my opinion I always go for quality over quanity when regarding prospect trades, so I'm glad we didn't give up 1 of our top guys for him.
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So in what's been a pretty crazy season for the Red Sox... Doug Fister just threw a complete game 1-hitter, on the road, against the reigning AL Champs who happen to be another Cleveland team.
So now, Kyrie Irving and Doug Fister are the two most trending Boston sports athletes right now LOL.
After that AWFUL Irving trade the Celtics did, I needed good news and the Red Sox offense (+Fister) delivered tonight!
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
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Nice to see Pedroia back out there.
Doug Fister the stopper!
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What a joke the whole Sabathia drama is. I like baseball, but only in that sport would an athlete too fat and out of shape to field a basic play be allowed to last this long.
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What a joke the whole Sabathia drama is. I like baseball, but only in that sport would an athlete too fat and out of shape to field a basic play be allowed to last this long.
I beg to differ (though they're definitely in better condition I'd guess)
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Nice to see Pedroia back out there.
Ditto.
Doug Fister the stopper!
Fister has been pretty good over his last few starts. What a bonus—and what an even bigger bonus if he continues it in the playoffs.
What a joke the whole Sabathia drama is. I like baseball, but only in that sport would an athlete too fat and out of shape to field a basic play be allowed to last this long.
Baseball's obsession with "unwritten rules" is a joke, as is Sabathia's complaining. Some of these players act like the opposition is just supposed to roll over, regardless of the situation. I seem to remember that quite a few years ago, Curt Schilling (while with Arizona) got worked up because he was throwing a no-hitter and someone laid down a bunt for a hit. And I was like, "Uhh, the other team's trying to win too, and if they haven't been able to get any 'regular' hits, bunting is a legal and legitimate option."
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
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Nice to see Pedroia back out there.
Ditto.
Doug Fister the stopper!
Fister has been pretty good over his last few starts. What a bonus—and what an even bigger bonus if he continues it in the playoffs.
What a joke the whole Sabathia drama is. I like baseball, but only in that sport would an athlete too fat and out of shape to field a basic play be allowed to last this long.
Baseball's obsession with "unwritten rules" is a joke, as is Sabathia's complaining. Some of these players act like the opposition is just supposed to roll over, regardless of the situation. I seem to remember that quite a few years ago, Curt Schilling (while with Arizona) got worked up because he was throwing a no-hitter and someone laid down a bunt for a hit. And I was like, "Uhh, the other team's trying to win too, and if they haven't been able to get any 'regular' hits, bunting is a legal and legitimate option."
Yeh. I thought the announcers were kidding when they were suggesting Kluber was offended by Nunez swinging too hard! Seriously? He showed why he swings that hard the next at bat when he clubbed one over the fence.
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
Everyone needs to calm down about Hanley.
He now has 23 HRs (4th in AL for DH), and there are plenty of games left. And he's been on a tear lately. He has a good playoffs and you'll change your tune.
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Fister the Stopper!
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
Everyone needs to calm down about Hanley.
He now has 23 HRs (4th in AL for DH), and there are plenty of games left. And he's been on a tear lately. He has a good playoffs and you'll change your tune.
I also like Hanley. Think hes due to get hot down the stretch here.
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Fister the Stopper!
Should be nicknamed " The Human Butt-plug"
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
Everyone needs to calm down about Hanley.
He now has 23 HRs (4th in AL for DH), and there are plenty of games left. And he's been on a tear lately. He has a good playoffs and you'll change your tune.
Hanley has an OPS of .758. That's the second lowers OPS of his career and is similar to what we get from Vasquez. Color me unimpressed.
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
Everyone needs to calm down about Hanley.
He now has 23 HRs (4th in AL for DH), and there are plenty of games left. And he's been on a tear lately. He has a good playoffs and you'll change your tune.
Hanley has an OPS of .758. That's the second lowers OPS of his career and is similar to what we get from Vasquez. Color me unimpressed.
Yeah, I like Hanley, but I can't bring myself to believe that he's had a decent year. The only real plus he's been for the team (statistically, not factoring in any intangibles) is in the power department. He's probably not going to reach 70 RBIs—maybe not even 65—and his WAR is -.2 (meaning he's a net loss to his team). I'd love to see him get going, but I'm not sure it'll happen.
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Last 3 games have been ABYSMAL for the Red Sox.
Outscored 36-9 the last 3 games which included a game Sale started.
Luckily NYY have gone 1-2 in that stretch so Sox still lead the division for now.
But also, Stanton has 49 HR. Hanley (our primary DH and "Ortiz replacement") has a whopping 49 RBI. SMH. And a batting average around .240. NOT CUTTING IT.
Now hopefully our real ace, Doug Fister, gets us out of this slump, but offense still needs to start heating up again. 3 runs combined in two games vs. 6 ERA pitchers in Hellickson and Gausman is also unacceptable.
Hanley is the second coming of JD Drew. He'll get his 20 HRs and 80 RBI, and it will be the most unimpactful 20/80 that you're going to see.
That grand slam in 07 didn’t do it for you?
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Fister the Stopper!
Guy looks a lot like our #3 playoff starter if they make the playoffs.
Possible even Game 2, but doubt it (that's for Pomeranz).
He's also had a 2.75 ERA the last 7 starts, after Price went on DL. NICE! ;D
Forget #SaleDay, I think #DougDay is the new trend around here! 8)
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13 games to go for both BOS and NYY (Boston currently have 3 game lead in division)
Even if Boston play .500 ball rest of way (so finish the season 7-6), the Yanks will have to go 10-3 to win the division. I'm just not seeing that happening for them.
But reality is, Sox control their destiny now and they need to keep it going one series at a time. Just keep winning!
#OnToBaltimore 8)
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13 games to go for both BOS and NYY (Boston currently have 3 game lead in division)
Even if Boston play .500 ball rest of way (so finish the season 7-6), the Yanks will have to go 10-3 to win the division. I'm just not seeing that happening for them.
But reality is, Sox control their destiny now and they need to keep it going one series at a time. Just keep winning!
#OnToBaltimore 8)
They're basically a shoe-in for the playoffs at this point. My concern is that they'll keep playing average baseball and go nowhere in the postseason.
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I'm not optimistic the Red Sox will win the division. The Yankees have only 3 games left on the road, and they are tough to beat in Yankee stadium unless you have three left handed aces. Which the Red Sox do, but they aren't playing the Yankees and one of those aces, Price, has been relegated to bullpen duty in deference to stiffs like Fister. And Sale is not especially sharp right now. I see Price got 2 wasted shutout innings in relief--in a loss his first appearance back. Not much of a "stretch" to go 5 innings and start?
Sorry, I don't like Farrell and the rest of their field management. Dombrowski has done some good, but he didn't hire Farrell and the rest, and I doubt he has much leverage there. He'll pick the next manager and staff, which couldn't come any sooner.
Their strategy of going cheap and not replacing Ortiz has blown up in their faces. Devers and Nunez saved them lately from a collapse. But Henry wouldn't go over the luxury tax to get Encarnation, because they had wasted millions on bad contracts. Are they still paying Craig?
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I feel pretty good that the Red Sox will win enough games to take the division.
I have no problem with Farrell. He is not winning them games with great strategy (what manager does) but I don't feel he is losing games either. It was Terry Francona who said the manager gets too much blame when they lose and too much credit when they win.
Hanley is not having a good year no matter how you try to spin it. I think there is something significant wrong with his shoulder. Too bad, we need that type of bat.
Price will help in the playoffs. A reliever can be a playoff series MVP with only pitching 2 or 3 innings at a time. We would be the favorites in the AL if he was healthy and a regular starter but we still are right in this as is.
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Big win tonight
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300 Ks FOR CHRIS SALE!!!
AND MAGIC NUMBER TO CLINCH PLAYOFF BERTH DOWN TO 1!!!!
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Chris Sale is the best pitcher baseball. He's better than Kershaw and Scherzer, at least this year. No reason why he'll slow down anytime soon.
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Chris Sale is the best pitcher baseball. He's better than Kershaw and Scherzer, at least this year. No reason why he'll slow down anytime soon.
Hopefully but unfortunately Kluber still has the edge for AL Cy Young.
Sale is phenomenal though and I'm really happy we have him. Can't wait to see what he does in the playoffs too (hard to believe a talent like him has never pitched in the postseason before).
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AND MAGIC NUMBER TO CLINCH PLAYOFF BERTH DOWN TO 1
That's not the number they are focused on. 8 to win the division.
Wild card game is a crap shoot.
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Chris Sale is the best pitcher baseball. He's better than Kershaw and Scherzer, at least this year. No reason why he'll slow down anytime soon.
Hopefully but unfortunately Kluber still has the edge for AL Cy Young.
Sale is phenomenal though and I'm really happy we have him. Can't wait to see what he does in the playoffs too (hard to believe a talent like him has never pitched in the postseason before).
I try to not care too much about the individual awards. Just give us the ring!
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AND MAGIC NUMBER TO CLINCH PLAYOFF BERTH DOWN TO 1
That's not the number they are focused on. 8 to win the division.
Wild card game is a crap shoot.
I agree but at least it's nice to know you will pitch in a postseason. At least that part is guaranteed. But yes now obviously the only focus now is winning and clinching the division.
Wish NYY would drop a few but they've been red hot as well lately. Thanks Twins! >:(
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Certainly don't wanna waste Sale in a wild card game. Just win the division. Then you know you have Sale lined up to go in Game 1 of the ALDS.
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Certainly don't wanna waste Sale in a wild card game. Just win the division. Then you know you have Sale lined up to go in Game 1 of the ALDS.
True. Hopefully Sox can clinch the division by the HOU series.
Sale has 1 more start left for sure (vs. TOR next week, on extra day rest b/c of day off today), but is also scheduled to pitch Game 162 vs. HOU. (Regular Season Finale)
Now obviously they could skip his start, BUT if the division still isn't won by then, we may need to pitch him Game 162 to win the division, but then losing Game 162 (and possibly the division) would mean Pomeranz is our Wild Card Game starter. WOOF.
Sox just have to keep rolling and hope NYY drops a game or two soon, but unfortunately their schedule is actually a bit easier than our's.
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Is it me, or does it seem like the Red Sox lack focus at Fenway this year?
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Is it me, or does it seem like the Red Sox lack focus at Fenway this year?
That, plus many injuries and guys getting rest (Pedroia, Betts, Nunez, etc.)
Sale unfortunately looked awful as well (4 HR?!?!). Pomeranz and Sale clearly need rest before the ALDS.
But really hope the Sox don't lose focus like last year (with the whole Ortiz retirement ceremony week) and go into the playoffs ice cold.
They got to regroup and do it ASAP. NYY only 3 back still with 5 games to go. Sox need to clinch the division for good by hopefully Thursday.
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Is it me, or does it seem like the Red Sox lack focus at Fenway this year?
That, plus many injuries and guys getting rest (Pedroia, Betts, Nunez, etc.)
Sale unfortunately looked awful as well (4 HR?!?!). Pomeranz and Sale clearly need rest before the ALDS.
But really hope the Sox don't lose focus like last year (with the whole Ortiz retirement ceremony week) and go into the playoffs ice cold.
They got to regroup and do it ASAP. NYY only 3 back still with 5 games to go. Sox need to clinch the division for good by hopefully Thursday.
The Sox have really muffed it these last two games. The injuries are certainly concerning, but injuries to position players will be moot if the team's two best starters are pitching as horribly as they did yesterday and today.
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Turned the game on, blinked once, down 3-0 before I even sat down. Come on Sox!!
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Turned the game on, blinked once, down 3-0 before I even sat down. Come on Sox!!
I wasn't feeling good about things early on, but the offense showed up!
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Turned the game on, blinked once, down 3-0 before I even sat down. Come on Sox!!
I wasn't feeling good about things early on, but the offense showed up!
Glad it did.
Hoping Pedroia, Nunez, Betts all get healthy come playoff time and Hanley and Bogaerts were fantastic tonight. Need them to heat up as well.
Magic Number down to 2, need to hope BOS wins 1 vs. HOU and NYY lose 1 more game. Or BOS can make it easy and at least split this upcoming HOU series to win the division for good.
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Farrell will get fired if they blow this.
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Farrell will get fired if they blow this.
All depends on Playoffs really.
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Farrell will get fired if they blow this.
All depends on Playoffs really.
I agree. If they can reach the LCS, I think he's bought himself some more time. But a Division Series loss, especially if it's quick, means bye-bye.
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Farrell will get fired if they blow this.
All depends on Playoffs really.
I agree. If they can reach the LCS, I think he's bought himself some more time. But a Division Series loss, especially if it's quick, means bye-bye.
The fact that we're even discussing what specific criteria would justify Farrell's firing should tell us all we need to know.
If we trusted him as a manager this wouldn't be a topic.
Personally i have zero faith in him. The team doesn't have that "attack" mentally that is critical to winning in sports. The cancer episode bought him a few years and cost us Tory Lovullo, who just turned the D-backs around. The organization should cut its losses and make a change. The only way I keep him is if we win a championship. The underlying reasons for distrusting him are just too strong.
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John Farrell is one win away from becoming the first manager in Red Sox history to win 3 division titles.
In 5 years he is about to win 3 division titles and a World Series.
He's got issues but you don't fire John Farrell unless you've got a great replacement in mind.
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Clinched.
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Good to see the Astros struggle against Pomeranz. I like our chances of winning 3 out of four Sale/Pomeranz starts.
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So just for fun for my fellow Red Sox fans or MLB fans in general, what are your quick predictions for what happens in the postseason? Here's mine:
AL Wild Card: Yankees > Twins (4-2 score) :(
NL Wild Card: Diamondbacks > Rockies (6-2 score)
ALDS: Red Sox > Astros in 5 games (being optimistic here) 8)
ALDS: Indians > Yankees in 5 games ;D
NLDS: Nationals > Cubs in 5 games
NLDS: Dodgers > Diamondbacks in 4 games
ALCS: Indians > Red Sox in 5 games :'(
NLCS: Nationals > Dodgers in 7 games
World Series: Indians > Nationals in 6 games
WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS: Cleveland Indians
Terry Francona wins a World Series with Boston (2004, 2007) AND Cleveland.
Now I'll admit, I wouldn't be surprised if Houston beats Boston in 4-5 games, but I'll be optimistic and say Boston wins, before losing to Cleveland in 5 games in the ALCS. Washington takes their revenge on the Dodgers and beats them in 7 games (after Dodgers beat them in 7 games last year's playoffs), and World Series will be really good with CLE ending their drought and finishing what they couldn't last year (no blown lead either LOL).
What do you guys think? (This will probably all end up wrong since baseball is just so unpredictable - probably the most unpredictable major sport out there in terms of playoffs - literally anything can happen)
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So it looks like MLB doesn't care about the Red Sox-Astros series, they gave us two day games to start tue series. Game 1 on Thursday at 4pm and Game 2 Friday at 2pm.
Time to get that portable radio to listen in...
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So just for fun for my fellow Red Sox fans or MLB fans in general, what are your quick predictions for what happens in the postseason? Here's mine:
AL Wild Card: Yankees > Twins (4-2 score) :(
NL Wild Card: Diamondbacks > Rockies (6-2 score)
ALDS: Red Sox > Astros in 5 games (being optimistic here) 8)
ALDS: Indians > Yankees in 5 games ;D
NLDS: Nationals > Cubs in 5 games
NLDS: Dodgers > Diamondbacks in 4 games
ALCS: Indians > Red Sox in 5 games :'(
NLCS: Nationals > Dodgers in 7 games
World Series: Indians > Nationals in 6 games
WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS: Cleveland Indians
Terry Francona wins a World Series with Boston (2004, 2007) AND Cleveland.
Now I'll admit, I wouldn't be surprised if Houston beats Boston in 4-5 games, but I'll be optimistic and say Boston wins, before losing to Cleveland in 5 games in the ALCS. Washington takes their revenge on the Dodgers and beats them in 7 games (after Dodgers beat them in 7 games last year's playoffs), and World Series will be really good with CLE ending their drought and finishing what they couldn't last year (no blown lead either LOL).
What do you guys think? (This will probably all end up wrong since baseball is just so unpredictable - probably the most unpredictable major sport out there in terms of playoffs - literally anything can happen)
Mostly agree with you.
I think Indians sweep whichever wild card in the AL and it would be Cubs and Dodgers in the NLCS, with Dodgers winning in 7 games.
Indians should be the odds on favorite to win it all. Wouldn't be suprised if they pee their pants like las year's 3-1 lead on the Cubs, but this team is by far the best pitching and offensive wise in the postseason.
Its the Indians WS to lose.
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HOU over BOS
CLE over NYY
HOU over CLE
Dodgers over Rockies
Cubs over Nationals
Cubs over Dodgers
HOU over CHI
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AL Wild Card - Twins over Yankees
NL Wild Card - Dbacks over Rockies
ALDS - Red Sox over Astros, Indians over Twins
NLCS - Nationals over Cubs, Dodgers over Dbacks
ALCS - Red Sox over Indians
NLCS - Dodgers over Nationals
World Series - Red Sox over Dodgers
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HOU over BOS
CLE over NYY
HOU over CLE
Dodgers over Rockies
Cubs over Nationals
Cubs over Dodgers
HOU over CHI
Cubs-Astros World Series, that would be interesting. Going to need lots of upsets for that to happen though, and I don't see it honestly.
AL Wild Card - Twins over Yankees
NL Wild Card - Dbacks over Rockies
ALDS - Red Sox over Astros, Indians over Twins
NLCS - Nationals over Cubs, Dodgers over Dbacks
ALCS - Red Sox over Indians
NLCS - Dodgers over Nationals
World Series - Red Sox over Dodgers
Wow, that's a lot of optimism for Boston LOL. Hope you're right (2013 repeat!).
So it looks like MLB doesn't care about the Red Sox-Astros series, they gave us two day games to start tue series. Game 1 on Thursday at 4pm and Game 2 Friday at 2pm.
Time to get that portable radio to listen in...
WOO HOO!! ::)
So Thursday I have a lab from 3-5:30PM so guess I'll have to occasionally check my phone every few minutes to check score on phone. Then Friday I have a class from 1:45-3:15, but it shouldn't be that bad since it's right before Columbus Day weekend.
But yeah I'll have to check my phone and maybe radio for first 2 games, can't watch. UGH, >:(
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Offense can't score, starting pitching has been horrendous. Its almost as if the Red Sox shouldn't even be a playoff team. I know there are injuries but this team lacks grit and toughness. Getting outclassed without a fight.
John Farrell needs to be fired!
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Offense can't score, starting pitching has been horrendous. Its almost as if the Red Sox shouldn't even be a playoff team. I know there are injuries but this team lacks grit and toughness. Getting outclassed without a fight.
John Farrell needs to be fired!
Agree on Farrell. I could game manage this team better than him.
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Sox have a nice stable of young position guys .... Benintendi, Bogaerts, Betts, Bradley (the B-Team?)
But apart from that, meh. Each year they pay big bucks to acquire another big name pitcher who will give up 3-5 runs in the first few innings of a playoff game.
They are completely lacking any reliable power bats since Papi retired.
The manager increasingly seems like he got 100% lucky in 2013.
I'm glad they made the post-season the last two years. That's a nice enough accomplishment. But I'm not sure how they're going to fix the team to actually compete against good post-season opponents.
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I HATE these start times for the games (seriously.. 2 PM today? While I have a class that runs until 3:15 smh) >:(
Currently at a Starbucks with a nice salted caramel mocha drink and guess what, I CAN'T enjoy it b/c we're about to fall behind 2-0 in the ALDS (looks a lot like last year... getting swept out of playoffs again...) :(
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This is pretty deflating. I thought the Sox chances against HOU weren't ideal but I expected more than this. Maybe they can chip away but not confident about it.
Thank god I can fall back on the Cubs (for now).
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
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It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
The Red Sox may be behind the league in advances in "nutrition".
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Mookie hit .264 and under 30 hrs. What MVP award do you think he qualifies for? Baseball?
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Mookie hit .264 and under 30 hrs. What MVP award do you think he qualifies for? Baseball?
"Last year" generally does not refer to this year. In this case, it refers to the 2016 season where he finished with a .318 average, 214 hits, 113 RBIs and in 2nd place for MVP voting
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Mookie hit .264 and under 30 hrs. What MVP award do you think he qualifies for? Baseball?
"Last year" generally does not refer to this year. In this case, it refers to the 2016 season where he finished with a .318 average, 214 hits, 113 RBIs and in 2nd place for MVP voting
Mookie was awesome last year, and pretty unspectacular this year. I was referencing this year. He is not in contention for the MVP. I'm pretty sure only Altuve and Judge are.
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
Betts has certainly fallen off since last year, but he's still a great young player. It's very possible that Judge or others have similar regression/sophomore slumps next year, and that Betts has another MVP worthy season. He may not have had a spectacular season, but Betts is still a spectacular player.
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
Betts has certainly fallen off since last year, but he's still a great young player. It's very possible that Judge or others have similar regression/sophomore slumps next year, and that Betts has another MVP worthy season. He may not have had a spectacular season, but Betts is still a spectacular player.
Agree. He's probably their best player, after Chris Sale.
The Red Sox have a bright future, and this year's playoffs (as well as last year) show that they are going through growing pains. They've won 3 rings in 13 years, so they're doing well in the grand scheme.
I'm still optimistic about this team, regardless of how bad they can look at times.
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
Betts has certainly fallen off since last year, but he's still a great young player. It's very possible that Judge or others have similar regression/sophomore slumps next year, and that Betts has another MVP worthy season. He may not have had a spectacular season, but Betts is still a spectacular player.
Agree. He's probably their best player, after Chris Sale.
The Red Sox have a bright future, and this year's playoffs (as well as last year) show that they are going through growing pains. They've won 3 rings in 13 years, so they're doing well in the grand scheme.
I'm still optimistic about this team, regardless of how bad they can look at times.
Other than Pedroia, this team hasn't won any rings. The current front office certainly hasn't. They've made huge investments in Price, Sale, Hanley, and Pablo, and those haven't really paid off (not in terms of World Series appearances, at any rate), and all of their young guys have had some good moments, even good stretches, but nothing that makes opposing pitchers nervous.
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
Betts has certainly fallen off since last year, but he's still a great young player. It's very possible that Judge or others have similar regression/sophomore slumps next year, and that Betts has another MVP worthy season. He may not have had a spectacular season, but Betts is still a spectacular player.
Agree. He's probably their best player, after Chris Sale.
The Red Sox have a bright future, and this year's playoffs (as well as last year) show that they are going through growing pains. They've won 3 rings in 13 years, so they're doing well in the grand scheme.
I'm still optimistic about this team, regardless of how bad they can look at times.
Other than Pedroia, this team hasn't won any rings. The current front office certainly hasn't. They've made huge investments in Price, Sale, Hanley, and Pablo, and those haven't really paid off (not in terms of World Series appearances, at any rate), and all of their young guys have had some good moments, even good stretches, but nothing that makes opposing pitchers nervous.
My point is that the Red Sox are doing well, in the grand scheme. Do you disagree?
I think it's hard to find many teams that have been more successful since '04. Only SF has matched the ring total. Besides rings, what else is relevant for comparing team success?
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This team has a lot of issues, but perhaps the most discouraging/annoying for me is that there are players popping up all around MLB who are faring much better than expected—Bellinger, Sanchez, Judge, Gennett to name a few—while all of the young Sox who've been touted for years are okay to solid yet (for the most part) unspectacular. It's been The Year of the Home Run in MLB, and the Sox forgot to buy their ticket.
Mookie Betts almost wins MVP last year and is in contention this year -> "Solid yet unspectacular"
???
(Of course, it's also possible that you mean all our highly touted prospects except Mookie are unspectacular, but it's basically the same case with those other guys, too)
Losing Ortiz's protection certainly hurt Betts, but I still don't consider him an MVP contender this year. I did say "(for the most part) unspectacular," and Betts was the one I was thinking of who's been pretty good most of the year. Benny turned it on later in the season and ended up with some pretty good numbers, but still, none of these guys is blowing people away with their bat.
Betts has certainly fallen off since last year, but he's still a great young player. It's very possible that Judge or others have similar regression/sophomore slumps next year, and that Betts has another MVP worthy season. He may not have had a spectacular season, but Betts is still a spectacular player.
Agree. He's probably their best player, after Chris Sale.
The Red Sox have a bright future, and this year's playoffs (as well as last year) show that they are going through growing pains. They've won 3 rings in 13 years, so they're doing well in the grand scheme.
I'm still optimistic about this team, regardless of how bad they can look at times.
Other than Pedroia, this team hasn't won any rings. The current front office certainly hasn't. They've made huge investments in Price, Sale, Hanley, and Pablo, and those haven't really paid off (not in terms of World Series appearances, at any rate), and all of their young guys have had some good moments, even good stretches, but nothing that makes opposing pitchers nervous.
My point is that the Red Sox are doing well, in the grand scheme. Do you disagree?
I think it's hard to find many teams that have been more successful since '04. Only SF has matched the ring total. Besides rings, what else is relevant for comparing team success?
In the grand scheme? Maybe. They've been much better in the last two regular seasons than in the two prior to those, but they've completely hit a wall in two straight postseasons.
Then again, all of their key position players who returned from last season regressed this year, and Sale and Pom have joined the David Price Postseason Fail Club. For all the good things about this team, they still need some fortunate developments to become legit contenders—a couple of the young guys have to become more consistent (and deadly) offensive threats, the team needs a couple of legit HR hitters, and the rotation needs to avoid regular-season overuse and postseason letdowns.
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Regardless, this team NEEDS to find a power bat this offseason, PERIOD.
Whether it's JD Martinez in FA (Probably Plan A) or trading for Stanton (Plan B or C).
Then hope Thornburg comes back healthy and Carson Smith gets healthier for bullpen.
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OFF TOPIC: WOW, down 8-3, Indians have come back to TIE it 8-8. :o
Jay Bruce homer. Wow, I had wished we got Reed + Bruce package at deadline from Mets (rental power bat + 8th inning guy), but it was always going to be difficult due to luxury tax issues.
But while Indians got Bruce + HOME RUNS, Sox got Reed who looks real meh smh... :(
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(Sorry, double post)
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Some part of watching the Sox get crushed two games in a row is validated by 13th inning Yankee tears.
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Who's pitching game 3?
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Who's pitching game 3?
Fister
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Who's pitching game 3?
Fister
The Stopper not The Stiff we hope.
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Who's pitching game 3?
Fister
The Stopper not The Stiff we hope.
The ironic part is, Fister has the best career postseason numbers out of everyone in this rotation LOL.
Now yeah, career stats don't matter and it's a whole new year (and new Fister), but it wouldn't surprise me if he surprises us all with a great outing when we least expect it :laugh:
Unfortunately, this offense just looks PUTRID as well. 4 runs in the last 18 innings frankly won't win you many postseason games. If they can't score more than 2 tomorrow, then they deserve to get swept to be honest, regardless how Fister and the bullpen pitches.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
I'd agree but signing a FA with just $$$ seems wiser than say... trading prospects/players for Stanton and that massive contract.
JD Martinez, Hosmer, Jay Bruce - options in FA.
If you want to trade for an upgrade, trade Bogaerts. 0-9 in 2 playoff games, ANOTHER 2nd half slump, and the SCOTT BORAS CLIENT isn't worth the 100M+ contract he will get in a few years.
I'd much rather keep Nunez and his .310 avg (15 HR ability at Fenway) than X-Man (slightly overrated IMHO). His defense may be poor but Bogaerts' defense isn't exactly elite either.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
I'd agree but signing a FA with just $$$ seems wiser than say... trading prospects/players for Stanton and that massive contract.
JD Martinez, Hosmer, Jay Bruce - options in FA.
If you want to trade for an upgrade, trade Bogaerts. 0-9 in 2 playoff games, ANOTHER 2nd half slump, and the SCOTT BORAS CLIENT isn't worth the 100M+ contract he will get in a few years.
I'd much rather keep Nunez and his .310 avg (15 HR ability at Fenway) than X-Man (slightly overrated IMHO). His defense may be poor but Bogaerts' defense isn't exactly elite either.
Oh, I get that I am being irrational. Signing a FA is almost always better than trading top tier prospects (although the Sale deal and that amazing contract was fantastic); it's just that the Sox can't seem to catch a break on their FA signings.
Not sure what the heck happened to Bogaerts or any of the Sox hitters. Even some of our best pitchers fell off a cliff or got injured (Porcello, Price, Wright, Rodriguez) at the start of the season. It's amazing we made the playoffs, at all.
I will be interested to see who we bring in next season. We can't go forward with Ramirez and Betts as our top power hitters, especially when the HR ball is 'trendy' again.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
I'd agree but signing a FA with just $$$ seems wiser than say... trading prospects/players for Stanton and that massive contract.
JD Martinez, Hosmer, Jay Bruce - options in FA.
If you want to trade for an upgrade, trade Bogaerts. 0-9 in 2 playoff games, ANOTHER 2nd half slump, and the SCOTT BORAS CLIENT isn't worth the 100M+ contract he will get in a few years.
I'd much rather keep Nunez and his .310 avg (15 HR ability at Fenway) than X-Man (slightly overrated IMHO). His defense may be poor but Bogaerts' defense isn't exactly elite either.
Oh, I get that I am being irrational. Signing a FA is almost always better than trading top tier prospects (although the Sale deal and that amazing contract was fantastic); it's just that the Sox can't seem to catch a break on their FA signings.
Not sure what the heck happened to Bogaerts or any of the Sox hitters. Even some of our best pitchers fell off a cliff or got injured (Porcello, Price, Wright, Rodriguez) at the start of the season. It's amazing we made the playoffs, at all.
I will be interested to see who we bring in next season. We can't go forward with Ramirez and Betts as our top power hitters, especially when the HR ball is 'trendy' again.
Yep, well said. TP.
And it's sad that in the year where "HRs were king", the Sox were like dead last in hitting HRs.
It's showing in THIS series too. Astros have 6 HR to Boston's 0.
Sox have to claw and scratch for each run, and the Astros just hit solo shots or 2-run shots very quickly. Both irritating and sad to see. Like you can tell the Sox are trying to drive in runs but they simply don't have the power to hit HR's (except for Betts, Ramirez who have also underwhelmed this season and playoffs).
My guess is, JD Martinez is their Plan A option, Hosmer Plan B, and trading for Stanton is a Plan C/D option (if he's truly made available in trade talks).
Marrero apparently is great friends with Hosmer and they played together before MLB, so that could help in recruiting.
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Going to the game today, just looking for a some heart and a fight from the Red Sox.
Farrell needs to be fired the moment this series is over!! I will drive him to Logan myself amd give him $50 for baggage claim. Tired of his nonchalant management style. Bye Farrell.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
I'd agree but signing a FA with just $$$ seems wiser than say... trading prospects/players for Stanton and that massive contract.
JD Martinez, Hosmer, Jay Bruce - options in FA.
If you want to trade for an upgrade, trade Bogaerts. 0-9 in 2 playoff games, ANOTHER 2nd half slump, and the SCOTT BORAS CLIENT isn't worth the 100M+ contract he will get in a few years.
I'd much rather keep Nunez and his .310 avg (15 HR ability at Fenway) than X-Man (slightly overrated IMHO). His defense may be poor but Bogaerts' defense isn't exactly elite either.
Oh, I get that I am being irrational. Signing a FA is almost always better than trading top tier prospects (although the Sale deal and that amazing contract was fantastic); it's just that the Sox can't seem to catch a break on their FA signings.
Not sure what the heck happened to Bogaerts or any of the Sox hitters. Even some of our best pitchers fell off a cliff or got injured (Porcello, Price, Wright, Rodriguez) at the start of the season. It's amazing we made the playoffs, at all.
I will be interested to see who we bring in next season. We can't go forward with Ramirez and Betts as our top power hitters, especially when the HR ball is 'trendy' again.
Yep, well said. TP.
And it's sad that in the year where "HRs were king", the Sox were like dead last in hitting HRs.
It's showing in THIS series too. Astros have 6 HR to Boston's 0.
Sox have to claw and scratch for each run, and the Astros just hit solo shots or 2-run shots very quickly. Both irritating and sad to see. Like you can tell the Sox are trying to drive in runs but they simply don't have the power to hit HR's (except for Betts, Ramirez who have also underwhelmed this season and playoffs).
My guess is, JD Martinez is their Plan A option, Hosmer Plan B, and trading for Stanton is a Plan C/D option (if he's truly made available in trade talks).
Marrero apparently is great friends with Hosmer and they played together before MLB, so that could help in recruiting.
TP back at ya.
I'm just not sure how I hope the Sox approach FA this year. I would be pretty dissatisfied if we paid $23M+ to Martinez to be a DH (and is going to be 30) or Hosmer who hasn't exactly lit the world on fire.
Stanton's contract is insanity. I get what the Marlins were doing when they signed him to it - they were able to get a few extra years of him at a bargain price before shipping him off to the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, etc. The 59 homeruns were incredible, but it's not like he has ever come close that before. I am not sure taking him on for 10 years / ~$300M is exactly the smart thing to do, but I do like him better than Martinez/Hosmer. He would also help solve the face of the franchise issue.
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Going to the game today, just looking for a some heart and a fight from the Red Sox.
Farrell needs to be fired the moment this series is over!! I will drive him to Logan myself amd give him $50 for baggage claim. Tired of his nonchalant management style. Bye Farrell.
He has looked passive and afraid since 2014. Pretty weird.
I would have fired him a couple years ago, but his health situation put the team in an awkward spot - a lot like Chuck Pagano in Indy right now. Not surprised at all this team is cowed and failing in big spots.
I would have much preferred to keep Torey Lovullo.
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Rainy day around here.
Pretty much setting us up for the sweep :(
Also Fenway Park apparently still has tickets available for the game. SAD!
But guess I can't blame the fans.. this team has been absolutely pathetic in the 1st two games and it would be one thing if they had hard fought losses, but none of them have been.
If they do get swept, FIRE FARRELL, and find a POWER BAT (or 2) in FA or via trade.
I've defended Farrell long enough but getting swept a second straight year in ALDS with all this talent is just unacceptable.
Yeah, I mean I don't hate Farrell, but I think it's time for a new face.
And I am all for trading for a power bat, but would rather not sign one via FA. It's like every big FA we signed this past decade ends up being massively overpaid and is beyond a disappointment. I know it shouldn't make a difference how they are acquired, but it seems to in the Sox case.
I'd agree but signing a FA with just $$$ seems wiser than say... trading prospects/players for Stanton and that massive contract.
JD Martinez, Hosmer, Jay Bruce - options in FA.
If you want to trade for an upgrade, trade Bogaerts. 0-9 in 2 playoff games, ANOTHER 2nd half slump, and the SCOTT BORAS CLIENT isn't worth the 100M+ contract he will get in a few years.
I'd much rather keep Nunez and his .310 avg (15 HR ability at Fenway) than X-Man (slightly overrated IMHO). His defense may be poor but Bogaerts' defense isn't exactly elite either.
Oh, I get that I am being irrational. Signing a FA is almost always better than trading top tier prospects (although the Sale deal and that amazing contract was fantastic); it's just that the Sox can't seem to catch a break on their FA signings.
Not sure what the heck happened to Bogaerts or any of the Sox hitters. Even some of our best pitchers fell off a cliff or got injured (Porcello, Price, Wright, Rodriguez) at the start of the season. It's amazing we made the playoffs, at all.
I will be interested to see who we bring in next season. We can't go forward with Ramirez and Betts as our top power hitters, especially when the HR ball is 'trendy' again.
Yep, well said. TP.
And it's sad that in the year where "HRs were king", the Sox were like dead last in hitting HRs.
It's showing in THIS series too. Astros have 6 HR to Boston's 0.
Sox have to claw and scratch for each run, and the Astros just hit solo shots or 2-run shots very quickly. Both irritating and sad to see. Like you can tell the Sox are trying to drive in runs but they simply don't have the power to hit HR's (except for Betts, Ramirez who have also underwhelmed this season and playoffs).
My guess is, JD Martinez is their Plan A option, Hosmer Plan B, and trading for Stanton is a Plan C/D option (if he's truly made available in trade talks).
Marrero apparently is great friends with Hosmer and they played together before MLB, so that could help in recruiting.
TP back at ya.
I'm just not sure how I hope the Sox approach FA this year. I would be pretty dissatisfied if we paid $23M+ to Martinez to be a DH (and is going to be 30) or Hosmer who hasn't exactly lit the world on fire.
Stanton's contract is insanity. I get what the Marlins were doing when they signed him to it - they were able to get a few extra years of him at a bargain price before shipping him off to the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, etc. The 59 homeruns were incredible, but it's not like he has ever come close that before. I am not sure taking him on for 10 years / ~$300M is exactly the smart thing to do, but I do like him better than Martinez/Hosmer. He would also help solve the face of the franchise issue.
Yeah I understand all that, it's all risky, but they have to do something, because going into the 2018 season with a similar lineup (aka no power or true home run threat) would be a big L, and unfortunately could just lead to more of the same. They need to find a power bat somewhere, someway.
I wonder if in a Stanton deal, they could ask MIA to eat up say $45M, so that Boston gets the remaining 10/250M (remaining 25M/Year), and they give MIA like 2 good/decent prospects, another "meh/lottery" prospect, and maybe Bogaerts OR JBJ. (Then re-sign Nunez)
Something like that if they go towards the trade route.
But I would NOT trade a Devers, Betts or Benintendi in any Stanton deal, no way (unless MIA ate like half the contract which they obviously won't)
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Farrell is just an awful game manager. Never a set lineup. Stupid substitutions. Overworking pitchers. I mean, we substituted Deven freaking Marrero for Devers simply because Devers is a lefty. Unreal.
I wouldn't have a problem trading for Stanton. His contract for the next 3 years is actually pretty reasonable. Its the back end of that contract that is troublesome. But Stanton in Fenway would be 40+ HRs most years.
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Game over. Season over.
Fister taken out after 1.1 innings and giving up 3 runs. :(
Fenway Crowd seems dead and I don't blame them one bit.
This should be an eventful off season, that's for sure.
But WHAT A CATCH by Betts there!!! OH MY! (only real highlight so far)
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Game over. Season over. [/b]
Fister taken out after 1.1 innings and giving up 3 runs. :(
Fenway Crowd seems dead and I don't blame them one bit.
This should be an eventful off season, that's for sure.
But WHAT A CATCH by Betts there!!! OH MY! (only real highlight so far)
you sure? ;)
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Game over. Season over.
Fister taken out after 1.1 innings and giving up 3 runs. :(
Fenway Crowd seems dead and I don't blame them one bit.
This should be an eventful off season, that's for sure.
But WHAT A CATCH by Betts there!!! OH MY! (only real highlight so far)
I know you were probably too young to remember, but if the 2004 ALCS taught Red Sox fans anything it's that it is never over as long as there's innings to play.
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Devers saved our division lead when he was called up, now he's saving our postseason. He and Betts are the only real bright spots in the lineup, which is going to have to be improved somehow next season, most likely at 1B.
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Game over. Season over. [/b]
Fister taken out after 1.1 innings and giving up 3 runs. :(
Fenway Crowd seems dead and I don't blame them one bit.
This should be an eventful off season, that's for sure.
But WHAT A CATCH by Betts there!!! OH MY! (only real highlight so far)
you sure? ;)
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Game over. Season over.
Fister taken out after 1.1 innings and giving up 3 runs. :(
Fenway Crowd seems dead and I don't blame them one bit.
This should be an eventful off season, that's for sure.
But WHAT A CATCH by Betts there!!! OH MY! (only real highlight so far)
I know you were probably too young to remember, but if the 2004 ALCS taught Red Sox fans anything it's that it is never over as long as there's innings to play.
To be fair, I was only 7 years old during the 2004 ALCS lol (currently 19), so I honestly only remember a little of it. Everything after (from 2005 Patriots Superbowl and beyond) I remember pretty good. 2002 and 2004 Pats SB + 2004 Red Sox World Series, not as much honestly.
Devers saved our division lead when he was called up, now he's saving our postseason. He and Betts are the only real bright spots in the lineup, which is going to have to be improved somehow next season, most likely at 1B.
Yep, and Hanley has been PHENOMENAL TOO (just hit a go-ahead double and now Sox lead 7-3).
That catch by Betts saved the season for now, too. Otherwise Astros would be up like 6-0 in the 2nd inning.
UPDATE: Now Sox up 10-3 lol.
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Went to the game tonight, absolutely appalled by the fight and heart that I did not honestly expect from the Sox. Looking forward to tomorrow's game 4! I guess its not over until its over ☺
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Went to the game tonight, absolutely appalled by the fight and heart that I did not honestly expect from the Sox. Looking forward to tomorrow's game 4! I guess its not over until its over ☺
That's great to hear! I'm guessing the atmosphere was dead in the 1st inning though especially when falling behind 3-0 :P
At least that's what most were saying on social media (I couldn't watch so was just using Gamecast on phone/laptop).
Rainy day tomorrow though, so will be interesting to see if they can play Game 4 or not tomorrow, otherwise it's likely on Tuesday (which could mean Sale starts since he will be on 4 day rest).
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I'm just glad they showed some fight and we got the opportunity to see what Price had to offer in this role. It was honestly the most promising aspect of the playoffs for me, and I'm glad it panned out. The way the managers use starting pitchers and the way starting pitchers seem to implode (maybe that's not mutually exclusive), having a guy doing what Price is doing is vital to a team's success in the playoffs these days. Of course it doesn't matter diddly if you're down six runs.
Hanley was pretty awesome today.
Porcello in game 4?
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Porcello gave up 1 run in the 1st inning and didn't look good, but due to the state of our rotation, gave us the best 1st inning of the series LOL.
Bogaerts 1st hit is a HR to tie it though!
This will be REAL tough without the services of Price out of the bullpen though, and Porcello doesn't look great either (reckon he gets pulled soon).
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I don't know how they are playing in this rain and mud
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Several opportunities to put points on the board and we're coming up short...
That bases loaded and zero out opportunity is beginning to sting a little.
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Not sure how many more chances we'll have.
No outs, bases loaded
Benintendi being thrown out followed by Moreland's double
Hanley's almost HR followed by Moreland being thrown out at plate (I know why they sent him)
Either we'll keep on hitting or Houston will settle down and pull away. This is not a recipe for success - especially in the post-season.
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Not sure how many more chances we'll have.
No outs, bases loaded
Benintendi being thrown out followed by Moreland's double
Hanley's almost HR followed by Moreland being thrown out at plate (I know why they sent him)
Either we'll keep on hitting or Houston will settle down and pull away. This is not a recipe for success - especially in the post-season.
Hopefully the former, we keep hitting and break through. It would be a dosheartening way to end the season with all these opportunities and only the 1 HR to show for it.
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Last inning, need a miracle. Would be a shame to lose this after all their opportunities in this game.
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Last inning, need a miracle. Would be a shame to lose this after all their opportunities in this game.
A missed opportunity. Thats how I would sum up the whole season.
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Last inning, need a miracle. Would be a shame to lose this after all their opportunities in this game.
A missed opportunity. Thats how I would sum up the whole season.
Really? Sounds kinda whiny.
Esp considering Devers just hit an inside the park HR.
I don't have much perspective on this season (they're still playing baseball), but it certainly wouldn't be negative. I think this young team had moments of growing pains (esp at the plate), but the trajectory is onward and up.
They won the AL East twice in a row for the first time... ever. They acquired Sale, a top 3 pitcher in baseball. Drew Pomeranz looked good, as did Devers and Benitendi. We know Betts is still a stud (despite a sophomore slump), and we got rid of the whole Panda debacle.
Going forward, they still have some decisions to make...
David Price?
Dustin Pedroia?
Rusney Castillo?!?!
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Last inning, need a miracle. Would be a shame to lose this after all their opportunities in this game.
A missed opportunity. Thats how I would sum up the whole season.
Really? Sounds kinda whiny.
Esp considering Devers just hit an inside the park HR.
I don't have much perspective on this season (they're still playing baseball), but it certainly wouldn't be negative. I think this young team had moments of growing pains (esp at the plate), but the trajectory is onward and up.
They won the AL East twice in a row for the first time... ever. They acquired Sale, a top 3 pitcher in baseball. Drew Pomeranz looked good, as did Devers and Benitendi. We know Betts is still a stud (despite a sophomore slump), and we got rid of the whole Panda debacle.
Going forward, they still have some decisions to make...
David Price?
Dustin Pedroia?
Rusney Castillo?!?!
I agree on the gist. I wouldn't say it was a missed opportunity of a season but a "what could have been" season. Considering what was supposed to be elite starting pitching that turned out not to be, combined with the consistent offensive struggles all year from the lack of a David Ortiz esque powerbat to keep opposing pitchers honest, the Red Sox clawed to 93 wins. It never seemed like everything clicked at the same time this year. Either bats were hot or the rotation was solid, not both simultaneously at its best.
I think this team has a lot of questions to answer moving forward. Do you continue the youth movement of a Betts, JBJ, Benintendi, Bogaerts, Devers, etc. or decide to enter WS contenders two of these guys need to be traded for power bats like Stanton? The unfortunate part is that they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Must of their assets have already been traded from the farm and anymore trades deplete flexiblity later to get better.
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Last inning, need a miracle. Would be a shame to lose this after all their opportunities in this game.
A missed opportunity. Thats how I would sum up the whole season.
Really? Sounds kinda whiny.
Esp considering Devers just hit an inside the park HR.
I don't have much perspective on this season (they're still playing baseball), but it certainly wouldn't be negative. I think this young team had moments of growing pains (esp at the plate), but the trajectory is onward and up.
They won the AL East twice in a row for the first time... ever. They acquired Sale, a top 3 pitcher in baseball. Drew Pomeranz looked good, as did Devers and Benitendi. We know Betts is still a stud (despite a sophomore slump), and we got rid of the whole Panda debacle.
Going forward, they still have some decisions to make...
David Price?
Dustin Pedroia?
Rusney Castillo?!?!
David Price is his own decision, player opt-in, right?
The team is in a good position, but as is can't quite contend with an elite lineup like Houston. Aside from Devers and Betts, it was a team full of .750-.800 OPS hitters. Gonna need improvements from homegrown young players like Benintendi and Bogaerts, who finally showed life again today. Gonna need real middle-of-the-lineup hitters at 1B and DH, real sluggers, not mediocrities like Moreland and Ramirez. Maybe improve CF, too, if Bradley has hit his ceiling as a hitter. Gonna need health from Pedroia, who has 4 years and 56 million left on his contract. But overall, in a good position.
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I'd feel more optimistic about the future of the team if they had a single starter who had given them a single quality start in the playoffs the last two years.
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I'd feel more optimistic about the future of the team if they had a single starter who had given them a single quality start in the playoffs the last two years.
Small samples. We have three pitchers who ought to be reliable for quality or better starts. Pitching isn't a problem. It's our near-anemic lineup.
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I'd feel more optimistic about the future of the team if they had a single starter who had given them a single quality start in the playoffs the last two years.
Small samples. We have three pitchers who ought to be reliable for quality or better starts. Pitching isn't a problem. It's our near-anemic lineup.
Well, you only get a small sample to prove yourself in the playoffs, so there's that. Other teams somehow manage.
I don't think the "anemic" lineup is losing you games when you're giving up 26 runs in 3 games.
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I'd feel more optimistic about the future of the team if they had a single starter who had given them a single quality start in the playoffs the last two years.
I have to agree, it's kind of pathetic when 3 of the starters couldn't even go more than 3 innings, and the only guy who went 5 innings (Sale) gave up 7 runs in the process.
Now that's clearly NOT the ONLY reason they lost the series, and Sale did do well out of the BP today, but lets be real, you aren't going far in a playoffs without good pitching, and without Price and Sale out of the BP, it would have been even more ugly.
For example, with as stacked as the Indians and Dodgers are, do you really think either are winning a World Series if all their starters go LESS than 4 innings and give up many runs in the process. Possibly, but very unlikely tbh.
Kimbrel giving up that 5th run though was killer... otherwise we're probably in extra innings now. Sad.
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I think Houston is a buzzsaw right now, and they're my favorite to win it all. The Red Sox were good, not great this year. I don't think many picked them to win the WS this year, but they did show that they could win 93 games without their best players playing their best.
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Going to the game today, just looking for a some heart and a fight from the Red Sox.
Farrell needs to be fired the moment this series is over!! I will drive him to Logan myself amd give him $50 for baggage claim. Tired of his nonchalant management style. Bye Farrell.
He has looked passive and afraid since 2014. Pretty weird.
I would have fired him a couple years ago, but his health situation put the team in an awkward spot - a lot like Chuck Pagano in Indy right now. Not surprised at all this team is cowed and failing in big spots.
I would have much preferred to keep Torey Lovullo.
Dissapointing FO deserves its disappointing team. Torey Lovullo will get serious consideration for Manager of the Year this season, and it's not like he was some big secret given his run with us. But we couldn't keep him because you just can't fire Johnny F. SMH.
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Well, Farrell just got canned.
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His Q rating must've really dropped with the NESN people.
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Well, Farrell just got canned.
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The #RedSox announced today that John Farrell will not return as manager in 2018. A search for a new manager will begin immediately.
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His Q rating must've really dropped with the NESN people.
I know many of my fellow Red Sox fans will trash him, but not me today.
Thank you Farrell for the 2013 World Series and winning back to back division titles for the first time in franchise history!
Best of luck in the future, and it's just unfortunate how the last few postseasons have ended (not entirely Farrell's fault... yeah he was a part of it but it was mostly that the players just vastly underperformed another year in the ALDS).
I have a feeling this Red Sox offseason will be EVEN WILDER than the Celtics one :o
Have a weak farm system but this is Dombrowski we're talking about LOL.
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The 2013 World Series was a fluke. In retrospect seems like it had more to do with that mix of veteran players (Napoli, Ortiz, Victorino, Gomes, Salty, Lester, Lackey, Peavey, Uehara, etc).
Man, looking back at that team, just four years ago, there are so many key personalities on that team that are long gone!
I've never been impressed by Farrell.
The Sox are a young, young team with a super high payroll mostly concentrated in players who have contributed little to nothing to their last two playoff appearances.
Not enough power, not enough reliable pitching.
Need a fairly major overhaul. Betts, Benintendi, Devers, Bogaerts ... maybe Bradley. That's the future. Lots of small-ball hitting and solid defense. But where do you get the power? Who pitches? Who leads the team?
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Granted, I don't follow baseball as closely, but I really hope they DON'T do a massive roster overhaul. They generally have very young position players, many of whom underperformed a bit this year, and still won a tough division. Sale then gets rocked in game 1 and they lose a 5 game series 3-1. Who knows how it turns out if you play that series a dozen times?
I'm sick of seeing Rizzo for Gonzalez type moves. Stick with the roster, change the management, make some small changes, and allow for development.
Oh, and lets just forget trying the Crawford/Hanley/Panda type free agent signings.
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The 2013 World Series was a fluke. In retrospect seems like it had more to do with that mix of veteran players (Napoli, Ortiz, Victorino, Gomes, Salty, Lester, Lackey, Peavey, Uehara, etc).
Man, looking back at that team, just four years ago, there are so many key personalities on that team that are long gone!
I've never been impressed by Farrell.
The Sox are a young, young team with a super high payroll mostly concentrated in players who have contributed little to nothing to their last two playoff appearances.
Not enough power, not enough reliable pitching.
Need a fairly major overhaul. Betts, Benintendi, Devers, Bogaerts ... maybe Bradley. That's the future. Lots of small-ball hitting and solid defense. But where do you get the power? Who pitches? Who leads the team?
I don't think there is such thing as a fluke world series when you also have won the AL East a few times in there as well. It's the Pats approach; if you are in the mix enough, you might win one if things break right for a few weeks. It's all about being right in the mix consistently.
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The 2013 World Series was a fluke. In retrospect seems like it had more to do with that mix of veteran players (Napoli, Ortiz, Victorino, Gomes, Salty, Lester, Lackey, Peavey, Uehara, etc).
Man, looking back at that team, just four years ago, there are so many key personalities on that team that are long gone!
I've never been impressed by Farrell.
The Sox are a young, young team with a super high payroll mostly concentrated in players who have contributed little to nothing to their last two playoff appearances.
Not enough power, not enough reliable pitching.
Need a fairly major overhaul. Betts, Benintendi, Devers, Bogaerts ... maybe Bradley. That's the future. Lots of small-ball hitting and solid defense. But where do you get the power? Who pitches? Who leads the team?
I don't think there is such thing as a fluke world series when you also have won the AL East a few times in there as well. It's the Pats approach; if you are in the mix enough, you might win one if things break right for a few weeks. It's all about being right in the mix consistently.
What I mean is that it was a perfect storm of players getting hot at the right time and having great chemistry with one another.
I don't think that Farrell deserves much credit at all for that playoff run.
Looking back, it's clear the Sox have lost basically that entire team when you think of who was central to the clubhouse and who came up with most of the clutch plays. It's an entirely different team now.
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'13 was fluky as heck. It was sandwiched btw two last place seasons. That screams "fluke".
Doesn't make it any less special, though. It was one helluva ride.
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I hope they hire Gary Disarcina. He has a history with many of the young players managing in the minor leagues. I have to say I'm a little biased though as he is from my hometown. Haha
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Really hope the Red Sox go ALL-IN on Cora and make him the next BoSox manager. ;D
As for power bat, go ALL-IN on JD Martinez, and if that fails, I guess Plan B/C options include Hosmer, Bruce or Carlos Santana (Santana the cheapest option out of the bunch, Hosmer the costliest, but Hosmer tends to be inconsistent too). Though Indians could keep 1 of Bruce/Santana I guess (they won't "lose" both).
I've heard some people say they should sign BOTH JD Martinez and Hosmer/Bruce/Santana (since they are paying a luxury tax ANYWAYS, so why not), OR simply trade for Giancarlos Stanton. I think that would be STUPID and very idiotic to do though.
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Really hope the Red Sox go ALL-IN on Cora and make him the next BoSox manager. ;D
As for power bat, go ALL-IN on JD Martinez, and if that fails, I guess Plan B/C options include Hosmer, Bruce or Carlos Santana (Santana the cheapest option out of the bunch, Hosmer the costliest, but Hosmer tends to be inconsistent too). Though Indians could keep 1 of Bruce/Santana I guess (they won't "lose" both).
I've heard some people say they should sign BOTH JD Martinez and Hosmer/Bruce/Santana (since they are paying a luxury tax ANYWAYS, so why not), OR simply trade for Giancarlos Stanton. I think that would be STUPID and very idiotic to do
I agree we need at least one power bat to go with the line up we have. The problem now is getting a manager that can handle Boston media, primadonna egos, keep developing the young talent and run a pitching staff efficiently. I am not sure who that is.
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Red Sox have made it OFFICIAL.
Alex Cora the newest manager of the Red Sox.
Great hire! ;D
Much rather him than Ausmus or Gardenhire (Gardenhire already went to DET). Varitek seems like he just wasn't interested in becoming a coach/manager, so he probably wasn't an option.