Poll: There's Pretty Much Five Paths From Here. Which Path Would You Prefer?

[Phantom255x]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Idk, but hearing Rozier's comments today I'm beginning to think Kyrie wasn't the locker room cancer. In fact, he may have been right with what he said, but was just perceived in the wrong way by the media.
 
Even Morris played to his role and showed up in the playoffs when many thought he'd play selfish and cost us in playoff games. Rozier seemed butthurt the whole year and that seemed to affect the locker room too. Even Tatum seemed to try playing like he was a superstar and his play ended up regressing (especially on defense).

[Rondo9]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Only if Anthony Davis was a guarantee, considering they're friends.

I couldn't blame him though. People are holding him solely responsible for the mess that was this team, which is lunacy

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable when

(a) He literally said, all season long, that he was all about the playoffs and that the reason a team should want him on the roster is the playoffs

(b) He laid one of the all-time eggs in four straight games on the way to the Celtics getting totally trounced in a five by the Bucks.

(c) Afterward, he acted like it was no big deal and if he could do it all over again he wouldn't do anything differently -- "I would have shot more."


You can't expect to avoid major criticism when you spend all season acting like the regular season doesn't matter, chemistry doesn't matter, talking to the media doesn't matter, none of it matters because only the playoffs matter, AND THEN play like absolute dog crap in four straight games against a quality opponent.

Who said it was unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable? He shares blame but that doesn’t mean he needs to be a scapegoat for all of the  Celtics problems.

[PhoSita]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Only if Anthony Davis was a guarantee, considering they're friends.

I couldn't blame him though. People are holding him solely responsible for the mess that was this team, which is lunacy

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable when

(a) He literally said, all season long, that he was all about the playoffs and that the reason a team should want him on the roster is the playoffs

(b) He laid one of the all-time eggs in four straight games on the way to the Celtics getting totally trounced in a five by the Bucks.

(c) Afterward, he acted like it was no big deal and if he could do it all over again he wouldn't do anything differently -- "I would have shot more."


You can't expect to avoid major criticism when you spend all season acting like the regular season doesn't matter, chemistry doesn't matter, talking to the media doesn't matter, none of it matters because only the playoffs matter, AND THEN play like absolute dog crap in four straight games against a quality opponent.

Who said it was unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable? He shares blame but that doesn’t mean he needs to be a scapegoat for all of the  Celtics problems.

In my mind any conversation about what went wrong this season that doesn't start and end with Kyrie is missing the point.


There was a lot of adversity facing the Celtics this year, but none of it was insurmountable except for the fact that the de facto franchise guy repeatedly torpedoed the team chemistry, hijacked the offense, undermined the coach, threw the young guys under the bus, and then when the time finally came for him to make good on the whole year worth of bluster about how he's a basketball genius born to make shots in the playoffs, he completely disappeared.

[Rondo9]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Only if Anthony Davis was a guarantee, considering they're friends.

I couldn't blame him though. People are holding him solely responsible for the mess that was this team, which is lunacy

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable when

(a) He literally said, all season long, that he was all about the playoffs and that the reason a team should want him on the roster is the playoffs

(b) He laid one of the all-time eggs in four straight games on the way to the Celtics getting totally trounced in a five by the Bucks.

(c) Afterward, he acted like it was no big deal and if he could do it all over again he wouldn't do anything differently -- "I would have shot more."


You can't expect to avoid major criticism when you spend all season acting like the regular season doesn't matter, chemistry doesn't matter, talking to the media doesn't matter, none of it matters because only the playoffs matter, AND THEN play like absolute dog crap in four straight games against a quality opponent.

Who said it was unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable? He shares blame but that doesn’t mean he needs to be a scapegoat for all of the  Celtics problems.

In my mind any conversation about what went wrong this season that doesn't start and end with Kyrie is missing the point.


There was a lot of adversity facing the Celtics this year, but none of it was insurmountable except for the fact that the de facto franchise guy repeatedly torpedoed the team chemistry, hijacked the offense, undermined the coach, threw the young guys under the bus, and then when the time finally came for him to make good on the whole year worth of bluster about how he's a basketball genius born to make shots in the playoffs, he completely disappeared.

What happened was more complicated than just Kyrie, a combinations of egos out of control the coach failing to make the right decisions and a player like Hayward being played too soon. You’re angry about Kyrie I get that but this was more than just him. By the way I would like to see links to where Kyrie thinks he’s some basketball genius because that’s the first time that I’ve heard of it.

[moiso]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Only if Anthony Davis was a guarantee, considering they're friends.

I couldn't blame him though. People are holding him solely responsible for the mess that was this team, which is lunacy

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable when

(a) He literally said, all season long, that he was all about the playoffs and that the reason a team should want him on the roster is the playoffs

(b) He laid one of the all-time eggs in four straight games on the way to the Celtics getting totally trounced in a five by the Bucks.

(c) Afterward, he acted like it was no big deal and if he could do it all over again he wouldn't do anything differently -- "I would have shot more."


You can't expect to avoid major criticism when you spend all season acting like the regular season doesn't matter, chemistry doesn't matter, talking to the media doesn't matter, none of it matters because only the playoffs matter, AND THEN play like absolute dog crap in four straight games against a quality opponent.

Who said it was unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable? He shares blame but that doesn’t mean he needs to be a scapegoat for all of the  Celtics problems.

In my mind any conversation about what went wrong this season that doesn't start and end with Kyrie is missing the point.


There was a lot of adversity facing the Celtics this year, but none of it was insurmountable except for the fact that the de facto franchise guy repeatedly torpedoed the team chemistry, hijacked the offense, undermined the coach, threw the young guys under the bus, and then when the time finally came for him to make good on the whole year worth of bluster about how he's a basketball genius born to make shots in the playoffs, he completely disappeared.

What happened was more complicated than just Kyrie, a combinations of egos out of control the coach failing to make the right decisions and a player like Hayward being played too soon. You’re angry about Kyrie I get that but this was more than just him. By the way I would like to see links to where Kyrie thinks he’s some basketball genius because that’s the first time that I’ve heard of it.

He literally said he was “actually a genius at this game” like 3 weeks ago in a press conference.

[Chris22]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

[Rondo9]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Only if Anthony Davis was a guarantee, considering they're friends.

I couldn't blame him though. People are holding him solely responsible for the mess that was this team, which is lunacy

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable when

(a) He literally said, all season long, that he was all about the playoffs and that the reason a team should want him on the roster is the playoffs

(b) He laid one of the all-time eggs in four straight games on the way to the Celtics getting totally trounced in a five by the Bucks.

(c) Afterward, he acted like it was no big deal and if he could do it all over again he wouldn't do anything differently -- "I would have shot more."


You can't expect to avoid major criticism when you spend all season acting like the regular season doesn't matter, chemistry doesn't matter, talking to the media doesn't matter, none of it matters because only the playoffs matter, AND THEN play like absolute dog crap in four straight games against a quality opponent.

Who said it was unreasonable to hold Kyrie accountable? He shares blame but that doesn’t mean he needs to be a scapegoat for all of the  Celtics problems.

In my mind any conversation about what went wrong this season that doesn't start and end with Kyrie is missing the point.


There was a lot of adversity facing the Celtics this year, but none of it was insurmountable except for the fact that the de facto franchise guy repeatedly torpedoed the team chemistry, hijacked the offense, undermined the coach, threw the young guys under the bus, and then when the time finally came for him to make good on the whole year worth of bluster about how he's a basketball genius born to make shots in the playoffs, he completely disappeared.

What happened was more complicated than just Kyrie, a combinations of egos out of control the coach failing to make the right decisions and a player like Hayward being played too soon. You’re angry about Kyrie I get that but this was more than just him. By the way I would like to see links to where Kyrie thinks he’s some basketball genius because that’s the first time that I’ve heard of it.

He literally said he was “actually a genius at this game” like 3 weeks ago in a press conference.

Oh okay, still think he shares the blame but not all of it.

[Chris22]

I simply don't understand how people still think if Kyrie and Horford leaves, that we can offer a max...

A simple Google research or hoopshype can give you the easy answer...

Also Kemba, Middleton, and Harris are not better than Kyrie or Horford, let alone both combined. Let's just stop being delusional...

KD, Klay or Kawhi could possibly have that effect, but that's where it's important to have at least Kyrie or Horford on our team. No one is coming to play with Tatum, Brown, or Hayward/Smart after our disastrous year.

Yeah a lot of people seem to think if we just let go of Kyrie and Horford opts-out we just have 40M in cap space right away which is not true at all. Sign and trades are possible but tend to be really tricky as well.

Hayward will be gone as well.

And we would only have Smart's $12 million on the books at the end of the 2021 season. See?

[gpap]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

He just happened to be in a slump at the worse possible time. Sucks, but it does happen. I believe it happened to Kobe early in his career and also happened to Lillard last year.

[Chris22]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

He just happened to be in a slump at the worse possible time. Sucks, but it does happen. I believe it happened to Kobe early in his career and also happened to Lillard last year.

Small guards don't win championships. Bigger players like Lebron, Leonard, Durant, etc...do.

[libermaniac]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

He just happened to be in a slump at the worse possible time. Sucks, but it does happen. I believe it happened to Kobe early in his career and also happened to Lillard last year.

Small guards don't win championships. Bigger players like Lebron, Leonard, Durant, etc...do.

Steph Curry says hello.

[RJ87]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Idk, but hearing Rozier's comments today I'm beginning to think Kyrie wasn't the locker room cancer. In fact, he may have been right with what he said, but was just perceived in the wrong way by the media.
 
Even Morris played to his role and showed up in the playoffs when many thought he'd play selfish and cost us in playoff games. Rozier seemed butthurt the whole year and that seemed to affect the locker room too. Even Tatum seemed to try playing like he was a superstar and his play ended up regressing (especially on defense).

The more that comes out, the more I understand where Kyrie was coming from. I also think it's clear why Smart backed him at the time.

Where Kyrie went wrong was by venting to the media.

[gouki88]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

He just happened to be in a slump at the worse possible time. Sucks, but it does happen. I believe it happened to Kobe early in his career and also happened to Lillard last year.

Small guards don't win championships. Bigger players like Lebron, Leonard, Durant, etc...do.

Steph Curry says hello.

Also literally all those 3 had good-elite guards helping them

[ozgod]

Does anyone still think Kyrie would resign with us?   The media kind of torched him and fans are pretty irate.

Idk, but hearing Rozier's comments today I'm beginning to think Kyrie wasn't the locker room cancer. In fact, he may have been right with what he said, but was just perceived in the wrong way by the media.
 
Even Morris played to his role and showed up in the playoffs when many thought he'd play selfish and cost us in playoff games. Rozier seemed butthurt the whole year and that seemed to affect the locker room too. Even Tatum seemed to try playing like he was a superstar and his play ended up regressing (especially on defense).

After hearing Rozier's comments, Kyrie's comments about his LeBum phone call make more sense:

"I had to call 'Bron, and tell him I apologize for being that young player that wanted everything at his fingertips," Irving said after the Celtics beat the Toronto Raptors 118-107 on Wednesday night. "He's been in this situation, been there with me, where I've been the young guy, been the 22-year-old kid, wanting everything, wanting everything right now," Irving said.

Unfortunately for our team it proved beyond Kyrie's current leadership skillset to bring order to the locker room. His media comments showed he was either too direct in his criticism or too passive aggressive. And Brad was too egalitarian when maybe a firmer approach, like a Popovich approach, might have whipped the team into shape and got them to pull in the same direction.

[Chris22]

“Trade for AD and let Kyrie walk” should be labeled as the franchise suicide option.

Keeping Kyrie is the suicide option.

He couldn't stay healthy for his first playoffs, and he laid down like a dog in his second.

And you want to pay him over $100 million?

He just happened to be in a slump at the worse possible time. Sucks, but it does happen. I believe it happened to Kobe early in his career and also happened to Lillard last year.

Small guards don't win championships. Bigger players like Lebron, Leonard, Durant, etc...do.

Steph Curry says hello.

Curry never won MVP of the Finals. Durant did.