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Title: Key to Game 4
Post by: Fireworks_Boom! on May 20, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
We can talk about matchups, defense, blah blah blah.

The biggest key is to take away the confidence which Cleveland gained in the very 1st quarter. It’s going to be very tough to do, but it is vital. We let this team continue with this momentum and it will be tough to stop the train
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: PhoSita on May 20, 2018, 01:03:33 PM
They key will be which team is hitting outside shots.  The Cavs can't keep up in a game in which they're missing three pointers left and right.  Similarly, if the Celts aren't getting some hot shooting from a couple of their streaky shooters, they probably aren't going to have a chance to win the game.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Boris Badenov on May 20, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
I'm reminded of the old "Hein-sight" bullet points Tommy would list before each game.

There was one night, and I swear I'm not making this up, when the first two were:

I think that about sums it up.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Fireworks_Boom! on May 20, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
Phosita, I disagree on outside shooting key. We gassed them in the first two games with or tempo and pace which is why we won.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: celticinorlando on May 20, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
The key is the recharge this old Cavs team got after 3 days off. Really hurts Boston and have them life.

Must come out with some urgency
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: liam on May 20, 2018, 02:25:19 PM
REBOUNDING!
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Ogaju on May 20, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
Run them off the court....unless of course Cs are tired now from the depleted roster. That is the key and it comes from being aggressive.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Sketch5 on May 20, 2018, 03:43:43 PM
The C's need to stop double teaming LEbron, let him get his, he'll wear out like he usually does.

Stop going under screens, look for them to happen, you should know if you're guarding Kover he's getting one.

Move the ball side to side, too many quick shots. Cleveland is bad on D, LEbron dosen't close out most of the time and the rest are old and slow. Once you get them moving you'll get a shot around the 5 second mark.

I almost want to see Smart start in the next game. He's been one of the only ones that can get to the paint and find an open man. Rozier has been a bit "scary" dribbling into the pant the last few games. Maybe going against the bench will help him a bit more.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: liam on May 20, 2018, 03:45:05 PM
The C's need to stop double teaming LEbron, let him get his, he'll wear out like he usually does.

Stop going under screens, look for them to happen, you should know if you're guarding Kover he's getting one.

Move the ball side to side, too many quick shots. Cleveland is bad on D, LEbron dosen't close out most of the time and the rest are old and slow. Once you get them moving you'll get a shot around the 5 second mark.

I almost want to see Smart start in the next game. He's been one of the only ones that can get to the paint and find an open man. Rozier has been a bit "scary" dribbling into the pant the last few games. Maybe going against the bench will help him a bit more.

This is absolutely correct. Let LeBron get his 40 and limit his passing.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 20, 2018, 03:50:39 PM
The C's need to stop double teaming LEbron, let him get his, he'll wear out like he usually does.

Stop going under screens, look for them to happen, you should know if you're guarding Kover he's getting one.

Move the ball side to side, too many quick shots. Cleveland is bad on D, LEbron dosen't close out most of the time and the rest are old and slow. Once you get them moving you'll get a shot around the 5 second mark.

I almost want to see Smart start in the next game. He's been one of the only ones that can get to the paint and find an open man. Rozier has been a bit "scary" dribbling into the pant the last few games. Maybe going against the bench will help him a bit more.

Yeah, it was annoying seeing Baynes leave his man in an effort to double/contain Lebron, only for Lebron to find the open Thompson or whoever else was cutting inside for an easy layup or dunk.

That said, we got to keep hounding their role players on the perimeter. They made some tough shots, yes, but it felt like Hill and JR were left wide open a ton of times in the 1st half. They were rarely left open in any form during Games 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: TheSundanceKid on May 20, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Key to every game: don't settle for jumpshots. 4 minutes into Game 3 you could tell we were going to lose, all our shots were jumpshots,  nothing inside the paint. Make or miss you need to start aggressive, it sets the tone. Being 'in the flow of the offense' is all well and good but you need to set the flow first. Aside from knowing when to call an early timeout, it's the only flaw in Brad I see
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Beat LA on May 20, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
It would be nice if someone, anyone, actually elected to use their brain ::). Next ;D.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: GreenWarrior on May 20, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
we need to take it to the basket plain & simple.

it was our offense that got us in trouble because we settled for taking jump shots.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Ogaju on May 20, 2018, 05:12:42 PM
we need to take it to the basket plain & simple.

it was our offense that got us in trouble because we settled for taking jump shots.

Stay aggressive...every game is a NEW game ..Celtics played game 3 as if it was a continuation of game 2.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: csfansince60s on May 20, 2018, 05:15:55 PM
Don't start Jaylen on Bron Bron.

Two real quick fouls on JB messed him and us all up!!
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: celticinorlando on May 20, 2018, 06:24:27 PM
Settling for bad mid range jump shots hurt them
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: SCeltic34 on May 20, 2018, 06:56:08 PM
Among many other things, get Horford more involved.  He had 0 shot attempts in the first quarter of game 3.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: GreenWarrior on May 20, 2018, 08:37:36 PM
Settling for bad mid range jump shots hurt them

it was the avery Bradley offense. no wonder we lost...
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: ozgod on May 20, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
The C's need to stop double teaming LEbron, let him get his, he'll wear out like he usually does.

Stop going under screens, look for them to happen, you should know if you're guarding Kover he's getting one.

Move the ball side to side, too many quick shots. Cleveland is bad on D, LEbron dosen't close out most of the time and the rest are old and slow. Once you get them moving you'll get a shot around the 5 second mark.

I almost want to see Smart start in the next game. He's been one of the only ones that can get to the paint and find an open man. Rozier has been a bit "scary" dribbling into the pant the last few games. Maybe going against the bench will help him a bit more.

Yeah, it was annoying seeing Baynes leave his man in an effort to double/contain Lebron, only for Lebron to find the open Thompson or whoever else was cutting inside for an easy layup or dunk.

That said, we got to keep hounding their role players on the perimeter. They made some tough shots, yes, but it felt like Hill and JR were left wide open a ton of times in the 1st half. They were rarely left open in any form during Games 1 and 2.

Agree. When the Cavs get the switch they want on LeBum, usually when they get Rozier on him and he starts posting up, you can just feel every single Celtic getting ready to help. Then LeBum finds the open man. They need to trust each other and if LeBum gets 40 so be it.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 20, 2018, 08:49:51 PM
Settling for bad mid range jump shots hurt them

We're going to have to make adjustments though, because to CLE's credit, they did clog up the lanes/paint fairly well and forced BOS to beat them with jump shots. It obviously worked for them. We've got to counter!
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 20, 2018, 08:57:39 PM
Shoot a NBA % number. of respectable effort

Make your wide open shots
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 20, 2018, 09:22:32 PM
The C's need to stop double teaming LEbron, let him get his, he'll wear out like he usually does.

Stop going under screens, look for them to happen, you should know if you're guarding Kover he's getting one.

Move the ball side to side, too many quick shots. Cleveland is bad on D, LEbron dosen't close out most of the time and the rest are old and slow. Once you get them moving you'll get a shot around the 5 second mark.

I almost want to see Smart start in the next game. He's been one of the only ones that can get to the paint and find an open man. Rozier has been a bit "scary" dribbling into the pant the last few games. Maybe going against the bench will help him a bit more.

This is absolutely correct. Let LeBron get his 40 and limit his passing.

yep. what did we do to win forst two?

1) ATTACK THE RIM ALL GAME

2) MAKE LEBRON SHOOT JAYS

3) prevent lebron from getting to rim

4) shut down rest of their shooters

5) win
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 20, 2018, 09:26:07 PM
Settling for bad mid range jump shots hurt them

We're going to have to make adjustments though, because to CLE's credit, they did clog up the lanes/paint fairly well and forced BOS to beat them with jump shots. It obviously worked for them. We've got to counter!

if they all collapse like that then we should be getting uncontested 3 looks. we have to hit those.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 20, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
Settling for bad mid range jump shots hurt them

We're going to have to make adjustments though, because to CLE's credit, they did clog up the lanes/paint fairly well and forced BOS to beat them with jump shots. It obviously worked for them. We've got to counter!

if they all collapse like that then we should be getting uncontested 3 looks. we have to hit those.

That's what I mean. We had open looks, and missed them. That contributed to the loss.

But it wasn't the only reason either. Guys for Cleveland were left WIDE OPEN especially in the first half, and they started to pull away. Very different from how great our defense looked Games 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: celticinorlando on May 20, 2018, 09:30:00 PM
I am hoping for the same kind of effort they had in game 4 vs the Bucks without being screwed over by the refs...

But you know it is going to be Brothers and Foster...
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Ogaju on May 20, 2018, 09:34:08 PM
Amazing how Foster and brothers get the pivotal game ....to stop a potential sweep OR trigger a huge comeback...
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 20, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
I am hoping for the same kind of effort they had in game 4 vs the Bucks without being screwed over by the refs...

But you know it is going to be Brothers and Foster...

Yeah I'm already ruing the announcement that it's Brothers/Foster tomorrow.

But that might actually be better than having them in Game 5 especially if the series is 2-2 by then  :o
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 20, 2018, 09:40:16 PM
I am hoping for the same kind of effort they had in game 4 vs the Bucks without being screwed over by the refs...

But you know it is going to be Brothers and Foster...

Yeah I'm already ruing the announcement that it's Brothers/Foster tomorrow.

But that might actually be better than having them in Game 5 especially if the series is 2-2 by then  :o

im so sick of hearing about that duo, can we just win tomm to put that crap to rest or do they really have it our for us? lol
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 20, 2018, 09:41:05 PM
I am hoping for the same kind of effort they had in game 4 vs the Bucks without being screwed over by the refs...

But you know it is going to be Brothers and Foster...

Yeah I'm already ruing the announcement that it's Brothers/Foster tomorrow.

But that might actually be better than having them in Game 5 especially if the series is 2-2 by then  :o

im so sick of hearing about that duo, can we just win tomm to put that crap to rest or do they really have it our for us? lol

We're 0-8 the last 8 playoff games reffed by Brothers. Our lone loss in the PHI series was reffed by these two clowns, and they screwed us in the 1st half (Boston had 12 fouls to just 1 PHI foul in the 2nd quarter smh).
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Ogaju on May 20, 2018, 09:42:32 PM
I am hoping for the same kind of effort they had in game 4 vs the Bucks without being screwed over by the refs...

But you know it is going to be Brothers and Foster...

Yeah I'm already ruing the announcement that it's Brothers/Foster tomorrow.

But that might actually be better than having them in Game 5 especially if the series is 2-2 by then  :o

im so sick of hearing about that duo, can we just win tomm to put that crap to rest or do they really have it our for us? lol

We're 0-8 the last 8 playoff games reffed by Brothers. Our lone loss in the PHI series was reffed by these two clowns, and they screwed us in the 1st half (Boston had 12 fouls to just 1 PHI foul in the 2nd quarter smh).

Celtics do not know how to work the refs at all.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Vermont Green on May 20, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
The key to game 4 is the level of desire that CLE brings.  I have noticed a correlation with the results of GSW-HOU series.  Since GSW are winning big, that may take some of the wind out of CLE.  Let's see.

I actually think CLE wins game 4 either way but if GSW wins again on Tues, then we win game 5 is my prediction.  If Houston wins, CLE wins.  Let's see if my theory holds up.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: chiken Green on May 20, 2018, 10:26:44 PM
It has been a while since I saw us play the way we played in Game 3..  No fire, No hustle... It was like the whole world told us we stink on the road and we believed it..

If we just play with our usual Force and our Young legs we should be okay.. 
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Fred Roberts on May 20, 2018, 10:30:36 PM
Key is continual rotation of fresh guys on LeBron: Semi, Morris, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Smart. Repeat.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: bopna on May 21, 2018, 12:43:06 AM
The Cavs forced us to play iso ball. They actually let Smart shoot (bad for us as Smart obliged).. And closed out on Big Al on the pick and pop or even the roll as the Cavs prevented lobs to Al... Basically daring Smart to shoot and with every miss the Cavs were off to the races.

For us to even have a chance at einning again is to go back and do what we were doing in g1 and 2....Not letting Lebron be a playmaker and stay close to their three point shooters. If Lebron shoots for 40 or 50 then that means he is doing it on his own and his shooters are negated.

Ton of shots for Al in the post.. I would even post Tatum and JB and yes even Smart... We have the strength to bully them down low.. They don't necessarily have to force the shots but plays can be made from there if the doublecomes. Just force the Cavs to play Defense.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: CelticsElite on May 21, 2018, 01:02:11 AM
We have to play like every play matters. We played with ZERO hustle. We didn’t go for rebounds or loose balls when we could have in game 3. Those little things can become 2nd chance points. Those points can become momentum in a run.   Play that elite Celtics defense and hustle for rebounds and s stops and we can control this game
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: CelticsElite on May 21, 2018, 02:01:16 AM
Marcus Morris said he could barely sleep last night. After what he called a “——” job defending LeBron, he stayed up until 2 am to break down tape with his twin brother Markieff.

https://mobile.twitter.com/byjayking/status/998329440697495552?s=21
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Somebody on May 21, 2018, 02:06:48 AM
Marcus Morris said he could barely sleep last night. After what he called a “——” job defending LeBron, he stayed up until 2 am to break down tape with his twin brother Markieff.

https://mobile.twitter.com/byjayking/status/998329440697495552?s=21
Wow Markieff is there with him? [dang]
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: gouki88 on May 21, 2018, 03:18:47 AM
Marcus Morris said he could barely sleep last night. After what he called a “——” job defending LeBron, he stayed up until 2 am to break down tape with his twin brother Markieff.

https://mobile.twitter.com/byjayking/status/998329440697495552?s=21
Wow Markieff is there with him? [dang]
We're gonna pair them on the most fiery bench in the NBA ;)
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: KGBirdBias on May 21, 2018, 07:14:25 AM
I think the Celtics bounce back from a very poor, lackluster effort.

Tonight if they move the ball and swing it 3-4 times, the Cavs will stop rotating. They don't commit to defense throughout the 24 second clock. If you take quick, poor shots, they feed off of that because they are older and don't have to commit to defense. They want to get to the offensive end.

In a tight game, I think the Celtics win to go up 3-1. Big games from Rozier and Brown.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Birdman on May 21, 2018, 07:16:31 AM
Cavs by 17
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: ChillyWilly on May 21, 2018, 07:18:49 AM
Keys to the game:

Score moah points than Cleveland and I'm 100% sure we win the game!
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: ChillyWilly on May 21, 2018, 07:21:05 AM
Marcus Morris said he could barely sleep last night. After what he called a “——” job defending LeBron, he stayed up until 2 am to break down tape with his twin brother Markieff.

https://mobile.twitter.com/byjayking/status/998329440697495552?s=21

Those 2 have a legit love for this game. I love hearing about this kind of stuff. They take tremendous pride in what they do and take tremendous pride in helping each other achieve it.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Green-18 on May 21, 2018, 07:34:17 AM
My key to game 4 is for this to feel like a normal basketball game as quickly as possible.  There appears to be major confidence issue for the young guys on the road.  It's reflected by extreme tentativeness on offense.  This is a recipe for disaster when the opposing team comes out with an adrenaline rush of energy to begin the game. 

I have tremendous confidence in the team to fix communication issues on defense.  My biggest concern is our typical flat start on the offense end.  It's crucial for the team to generate good looks early in the game, even if they aren't necessarily falling at a high rate.  These guys needs to be able to run their stuff with some success. 
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Big333223 on May 21, 2018, 10:00:43 AM
The key is going to be aggressive going to the rim. And this game is huge. Game 4's are always pivotal but I think given the mental makeup/talent level of this Cavs team, I think whoever wins this game will win the series.

If the Cavs go down 3-1 there is no way they have the fight in them to come back. I think it will end in Boston in 5.

But if the Cavs win tonight, I think it will give them the confidence to rally around Lebron and the Cavs comeback to win it all.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Fafnir on May 21, 2018, 10:19:49 AM
Better defensive communication and effort. Starting with Morris on LBJ and paying attention to off the ball cuts. Offensively the C's need to move the ball and force rotations too many dribble pull ups in the first quarter let Cleveland take control.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: celticinorlando on May 21, 2018, 10:21:33 AM
James is going to play point forward once again and get everyone involved. Then he will try to take over.

He realizes that he cannot go out like he did in game 2 because it took every bit of energy out of him.

Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Fafnir on May 21, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
James is going to play point forward once again and get everyone involved. Then he will try to take over.

He realizes that he cannot go out like he did in game 2 because it took every bit of energy out of him.
He was pretty gassed in game 3 early too. He's definitely feeling the weight of this season and the minutes he has played.

The C's need to play better to have that matter though.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: angryguy77 on May 21, 2018, 11:14:21 AM
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/javale-mcgee-be-like-you-have-to-score-more-points-773166.png)

We're over-thinking this too much.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: seancally on May 21, 2018, 11:23:42 AM
James is going to play point forward once again and get everyone involved. Then he will try to take over.

He realizes that he cannot go out like he did in game 2 because it took every bit of energy out of him.
He was pretty gassed in game 3 early too. He's definitely feeling the weight of this season and the minutes he has played.

The C's need to play better to have that matter though.

He was able to play point-forward because his teammates were aggressive and shooting the ball well. I'd rather Lebron have a monster game and his teammates be cold than vice versa. I thought we did a pretty poor job defensively of making things uncomfortable for their shooters and role players, which can't happen again.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: jbpats on May 21, 2018, 11:31:33 AM
The Key to game 4 is getting Al involved.
The Cavs said it themselves, their gameplan was to disrupt Horford in the offense, and that they did.
Our entire offense runs through Al, regardless if he is shooting or not. His screens, passes etc. were just not there in game 3.. C's need to find a way to get him involved early on. 
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: angryguy77 on May 21, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
James is going to play point forward once again and get everyone involved. Then he will try to take over.

He realizes that he cannot go out like he did in game 2 because it took every bit of energy out of him.
He was pretty gassed in game 3 early too. He's definitely feeling the weight of this season and the minutes he has played.

The C's need to play better to have that matter though.

He was able to play point-forward because his teammates were aggressive and shooting the ball well. I'd rather Lebron have a monster game and his teammates be cold than vice versa. I thought we did a pretty poor job defensively of making things uncomfortable for their shooters and role players, which can't happen again.

Make his team beat you, letting LeRoid do it never works out. Toronto found that out the hard way.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: KGBirdBias on May 21, 2018, 12:07:33 PM
These are the type of games where Kyrie is needed. On Saturday we needed someone to go get some buckets to calm everyone down. Who will be that person...I say Tatum.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: wdleehi on May 21, 2018, 12:08:47 PM
Play the level of defense this team can.   


Hope that one of the young guys get hot early and can hold the offense together until the other young guys get hot. 
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Phantom255x on May 21, 2018, 12:10:25 PM
One thing's for sure, they have to start fast or at least not fall behind by 10+ early.

First 8 minutes will tell us a lot about how this game goes. If they stay close or even lead after about 8 minutes, we're in good position. If we fall behind by like 12+, it's going to be a long night again I imagine.

We've started poorly in 5 of our 6 road games (with ice cold offense and/or putrid defense). Our lone road game that we started well, guess what, we won! (Game 3 @PHI). Doesn't sound like a coincidence to me.

Our best chance at winning is if we come out strong, fast, and play with hustle. If we play our game and dictate a lot of things, we can also tire them out and/or get them frustrated with each other. When the going gets rough, you can tell that team starts turning on each other (the chemistry isn't that great in CLE).

Lebron can get his 35+, so long as we contain their role players as best as we can. It was baffling how JR and Hill got that many wide open looks in the first half of Game 3....
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: celticinorlando on May 21, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Need to be in the lead or within a few after the first quarter.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: Vermont Green on May 21, 2018, 12:29:08 PM
I don't think this is going to come down to some minor adjustment that we make or Cleveland makes.  If Cleveland decides to show up and play, they probably win.

What I would like to see is the Celtics keep it close enough so that maybe something bounces are way and we steal a game.  Easier said than done but just play in control, stick to the plan, hope they miss some shots, and try to steal it in the end.

Jaylen Brown had a bad game 3 so i do expect him to be better.  We need his scoring.  He had flurry at the end but it was too late.  If he can give us a little more, maybe that is enough to keep it close.

I also wonder if they should try to throw some zone defense at them, just as a change of pace.  Cleveland settled in last game with their schemes and maybe we could throw them off for a short stretch with a zone.  I would not expect it to work for other than to catch them off guard for a shot stretch.
Title: Re: Key to Game 4
Post by: tstorey_97 on May 21, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
Brace yourselves....we are going back to game three.

The first 7 minutes and 17 seconds yielded the following for the Celtics:

10 FG attempts
4 points
3 turnovers

The Cavs put 20 points on this effort.

Key to game is don't shoot 37 freaking percent against Cleveland in their gym.