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Title: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Isn't Barbosa playing like the Pietrus of the year?

Playing at a low price for us, yet making a big impact on the floor. I hope we make the right decision this summer to resign him, unlike letting Pietrus go.

He seems like a dedicated Celtic, works hard every day. I like him.

And he's Brazilian and can mesh with Melo to make a devastating pick and roll combo (lol.)
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 01:38:43 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 01:43:07 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 01:47:26 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: nickagneta on February 10, 2013, 01:48:01 PM
I am not sure what you mean by "Pietrus of the Year" but if you mean it as an unassuming role bench player that just does his thing and then every once in a while gets crazy good then yeah, Barbosa could be looked that way.

Still an award of that type needs to be called the Charlie Scott Award.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
I am not sure what you mean by "Pietrus of the Year" but if you mean it as an unassuming role bench player that just does his thing and then every once in a while gets crazy good then yeah, Barbosa could be looked that way.

Still an award of that type needs to be called the Charlie Scott Award.

Yea, that's basically it, he does more than he's paid and is very valuable. Every team needs a Pietrus/Barbosa type player
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

consistency is not supposed to come from the 8th-12th guys on the team, which is what Pietrus and Barbosa are. It comes from the top 5 players, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, and unfortunately in our case, Bass and Green.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 01:53:54 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

LOL
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:00:07 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted used all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:05:45 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted used all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

Thanks for the correction :)
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:08:01 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??

Green is irrelevant, Bass is irrelevant.

We only had 5 million to offer free-agents, Jason Terry was chosen to pick it all.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 10, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??

Green is irrelevant, Bass is irrelevant.

We only had 5 million to offer one free-agent, Jason Terry was chosen.

That basically covers it. We decided to use our cap space on a Ray Allen replacement and fill the rest of the roster with vet mins.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

I meant cheap player playing well for team mostly, not game styles

Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??

Green is irrelevant, Bass is irrelevant.

We only had 5 million to offer free-agents, Jason Terry was chosen to pick it all.

Green and Bass are not irrelevant they get paid like 15 mil a year
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 10, 2013, 02:19:23 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

I meant cheap player playing well for team mostly, not game styles

Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??

Green is irrelevant, Bass is irrelevant.

We only had 5 million to offer free-agents, Jason Terry was chosen to pick it all.

Green and Bass are not irrelevant they get paid like 15 mil a year

They were signed using other exceptions, exceptions that allow us to be over the salary cap.

The 5 million was another of those exceptions, and it was use on Jason Terry.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:19:43 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.

But how about Barbosa for next year/beyond?
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: mgent on February 10, 2013, 02:20:17 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 10, 2013, 02:21:12 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.

Very true.

I will say this, though: thank God Pietrus was available when Green went down with the heart issue.  Imagine us playing last year with Sasha Pavlovic as Pierce's backup.  *vomits*
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:21:38 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

Pietrus played way better than his $1.3 million contract for most of last year (until that concussion)..
He was a great backup to Pierce and was better than the likes of Pavlovic... he gave us sparks at times on both O and D
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:22:05 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.

Very true.

I will say this, though: thank God Pietrus was available when Green went down with the heart issue.  Imagine us playing last year with Sasha Pavlovic as Pierce's backup.  *vomits*

Yea... Pietrus > Pavlovic
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:23:06 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.

But how about Barbosa for next year/beyond?

I think what he does in the 2nd half of this year and the playoffs will determine his next contract. If he looks healthy enough and comes up with some big contributions, some team will throw money at him and he will leave. If not, we could possibly re-sign him for cheap and keep him as a backup, but we may not want to. I think unlike Pietrus, Barbosa is fully healthy this year.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:24:25 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

Pietrus also came up empty on offense pretty often in the playoffs. His defense was also not what it used to be before his knee issues.

Those are two big reasons we didn't pay to get him back, and no other teams were knocking the door down to grab him either.

But how about Barbosa for next year/beyond?

I think what he does in the 2nd half of this year and the playoffs will determine his next contract. If he looks healthy enough and comes up with some big contributions, some team will throw money at him and he will leave. If not, we could possibly re-sign him for cheap and keep him as a backup, but we may not want to. I think unlike Pietrus, Barbosa is fully healthy this year.

Pietrus was OK until that concussion/surgery threw his career all over the place...
Barbosa can be a good pickup for next year.... I wanna keep him
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:24:42 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:25:42 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 10, 2013, 02:29:33 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando

Are you kidding me?

Pietrus played a big role in Orlando making the Finals.

He hits daggers vs. us, and played solid defense on LeBron.  He was a major role player in Orlando.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando

He had some great playoff series in orlando. He was a celtics killer and played fantastic defense. He definitely lost a few steps since then.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando

He had some great playoff series in orlando. He was a celtics killer and played fantastic defense. He definitely lost a few steps since then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pietrmi01.html

2008-09 9.4 pts
2009-10 8.7 pts
2010-11 6.7 pts

Went down-down-down
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando

He had some great playoff series in orlando. He was a celtics killer and played fantastic defense. He definitely lost a few steps since then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pietrmi01.html

2008-09 9.4 pts
2009-10 8.7 pts
2010-11 6.7 pts

Went down-down-down

Not to mention his stats in phoenix. He was having a nice career until his knee issues.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 10, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 10, 2013, 02:42:53 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando


Um yeah this couldn't be further from the truth...he was huge in the series against us and the Cavaliers that got the magic to the finals...yeah his play suffered in the coming years and even worse when with us as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 10, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:48:16 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

True. Pietrus was, and still has not, recovered from his knee issues though. He may never recover and be the player he was in orlando again.

He was a benchwarmer in Orlando!! check out the orlando forums and he'll be regarded as a collins-type player >_>

he was way better in boston than in orlando


Um yeah this couldn't be further from the truth...he was huge in the series against us and the Cavaliers that got the magic to the finals...yeah his play suffered in the coming years and even worse when with us as far as I'm concerned

his career was moving in the wrong direction by the time he came to us, and it started going up a little again...

Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

i guess he did suck
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 10, 2013, 02:49:25 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: hpantazo on February 10, 2013, 02:51:32 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was

Let's hope then that Barbosa is not the "Pietrus of the year"
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 02:51:44 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was

It wasn't solely due to him...
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: nickagneta on February 10, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
They're two totally different players.  Barbosa is good on offense and Pietrus is good on defense.

Pietrus was invaluable when he got those offensive rebounds in game 4 vs Miami and then the daggers in game 5.

Let's wait to see if Barbosa can give us something like that in the playoffs.

I meant cheap player playing well for team mostly, not game styles

Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

We had Rondo/Bradley/Barbosa/Christmas/Lee/Dooling/Smith/Terry in consideration... at the end, 6 of 8 were backcourt player leaving us 7 spaces to fill three positions. Take away KG/Pierce and there's 5.

We got three adequate guys in Collins/Darko/Wilcox

Then there's Bass to long-term deal
And Green to long-term deal

OBVIOUSLY, we weren't trying to get big and were gonna wait for a Ryan Hollins/Sean Williams type player

I'm going out of a limb here, but I'm going to guess that you don't know how the CBA works and understand the resources we have at our disposal right?

I have a basic idea but if we didn't sign certain players (Bass/Green/Terry) to such big deals, Barbosa/Pietrus could get bigger paychecks, right??

Green is irrelevant, Bass is irrelevant.

We only had 5 million to offer free-agents, Jason Terry was chosen to pick it all.

Green and Bass are not irrelevant they get paid like 15 mil a year
We owned their Bird rights and could do that. Being able to give Bird's Right free agents anything you want could effect funds available for other players but in the case of the Celtics, it didn't. We were over the cap. We had one exception left to us to sign a player that was the Mid Level Exception which the C's used Jason Terry.

You might want to give this site a read:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Done by Larry Coon, guy really knows his stuff. Also if you do a search amongst the threads for "Salary Cap Situation and FAQs: 2009 Edition" or really any recent addition, you will learn a lot about Celtics salary cap situation. Roy Hobbs does the articles here at Celticsblog and they are among some of the most informative stuff you could read regarding the Celtics situation with their cap
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 10, 2013, 03:02:56 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was

I attribute that loss to two things:

1.  Pierce had an epically awful shooting performance.

2.  LeBron had an epically dominant and efficient shooting performance.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: mgent on February 10, 2013, 03:17:10 PM
I think Pietrus played severely below our expectations of him.  That award should go to Courtney Lee.

Pietrus played way better than his $1.3 million contract for most of last year (until that concussion)..
He was a great backup to Pierce and was better than the likes of Pavlovic... he gave us sparks at times on both O and D
He averaged 6.9 points in 22 minutes shooting .385% and .335% from 3 (11.3 per 36)

By comparison Barbosa is averaging 5.3 points in 12 minutes shooting .44% and .364% from 3 (15.4 per 36)

In the playoffs Pietrus somehow managed to play even worse, with 6.3 points per 36 shooting 33% and 22% from 3 in 20 games.


There is a plethora of veteran minimum players that could outproduce what Pietrus did for us last year.  He was brought in as the main backup to BOTH the 2 and 3 spots for good defense and to hit the 3.  He only brought half (which is why I submitted Lee).  Barbosa on the other hand was brought in the backup nobody and sit on the bench as injury insurance.

Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 10, 2013, 03:25:48 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was

I attribute that loss to two things:

1.  Pierce had an epically awful shooting performance.

2.  LeBron had an epically dominant and efficient shooting performance.

Very true. But with all that, Celtics were still in the game. There was a time in that game when Lebron was scoring crazy, and the Heat were still down. Rondo and others kept feeding the ball to Pietrus, and he didn't make any shots. If he would have made at least four 3 pointers, Celtics would have been in the Finals
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 03:26:25 PM
Pietrus was the most likable Celtic ever that was absolutely atrocious

he wanted so much to remain a celtic that I felt bad for him to see him not re-signed. Still, I fully understand Ainge's decision considering Pietrus' play.


Agreed, I actually liked the guy and the Celtic pride he showed but man was he bad in the playoffs

Cost the Celtics Game 6 against the Heat last year, would never forget how horrible he was

I attribute that loss to two things:

1.  Pierce had an epically awful shooting performance.

2.  LeBron had an epically dominant and efficient shooting performance.

Very true. But with all that, Celtics were still in the game. There was a time in that game when Lebron was scoring crazy, and the Heat were still down. Rondo and others kept feeding the ball to Pietrus, and he didn't make any shots. If he would have made at least four 3 pointers, Celtics would have been in the Finals

Shoulda-coulda-woulda
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 10, 2013, 03:56:30 PM
I liked Pietrus, but he, Keeyon, Tony Allen, Scal are all examples of "absense makes the heart grow fonder" guys. 

All had their endearing moments here, but also had their struggles.  None would be difference makers here this year.  MAYBE TA, but truthfully, when he was here he was a feast or famine guy. TA was regularly ripped for dumb plays; I remember cringing whenever the ball was in his hands.  When he left he suddenly became a legend (yes, I know that is an exageration).

Barbosa can really influence a game.  He is capable of making horrendous plays, but he can catch fire and he can change the pace of game. Really like him on this team, but question how much he can be relied upon for consistent play.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 10, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

Maybe Ainge tried to provide Doc with fewer options to force him to play Sullinger.  I've suggested Ainge avoided getting a veteran backup PG behind a young Rondo in an attempt to ensure that Doc would start him.
Title: Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

Maybe Ainge tried to provide Doc with fewer options to force him to play Sullinger.  I've suggested Ainge avoided getting a veteran backup PG behind a young Rondo in an attempt to ensure that Doc would start him.

Well, Sullinger is gone now, so we're gonna have to reboot on the run