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Title: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Donoghus on June 16, 2015, 11:25:22 AM
This is a potentially HUGE sports story here.   Cardinals being investigated for hacking the internal networks of the Houston Astros.

Per New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html?_r=0

Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: D.o.s. on June 16, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
Something Something best fans in baseball something something.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Donoghus on June 16, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
Something Something best fans in baseball something something.

As a transplant living in Chicago & having adopted the Cubs as my N.L. team, I can't say I'm shedding any tears over this. 

Man,  not sure Chicago sports fans could ask for a better last 15 hours or so.  First, the Cup & now the Cardinals news.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on June 16, 2015, 12:06:57 PM
LOL

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CHogpqoWoAA9Py3.mp4

https://twitter.com/barryap1/status/610836600445108224
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Endless Paradise on June 16, 2015, 12:07:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHoaf73VAAEhgyc.jpg)
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Roy H. on June 16, 2015, 12:16:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHoaf73VAAEhgyc.jpg)

Haha.  /thread.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Roy H. on June 16, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Seriously, though, what should the punishment for something like this be?

If this is proven, I think the Commissioner needs to come down HARD.  Like, banned from the post-season for multiple years hard, and a lifetime ban for whoever authorized it.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: D.o.s. on June 16, 2015, 12:24:10 PM
Maybe they'll finally have to let black people into the stadium.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Donoghus on June 16, 2015, 12:33:59 PM
Seriously, though, what should the punishment for something like this be?

If this is proven, I think the Commissioner needs to come down HARD.  Like, banned from the post-season for multiple years hard, and a lifetime ban for whoever authorized it.

First real challenge of the Manfred regime.  It'll be interesting to see.   

I agree, if this is proven, the penalty needs to be extremely severe.

Hopefully, they avoid taking any pages from the NFL league office playbook & avoid Ted Wells at all costs too.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 16, 2015, 01:24:02 PM
oh oh.... a cardinal sin!  ;D
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Cman on June 16, 2015, 01:36:08 PM
Seriously, though, what should the punishment for something like this be?

If this is proven, I think the Commissioner needs to come down HARD.  Like, banned from the post-season for multiple years hard, and a lifetime ban for whoever authorized it.

First real challenge of the Manfred regime.  It'll be interesting to see.   

I agree, if this is proven, the penalty needs to be extremely severe.

Hopefully, they avoid taking any pages from the NFL league office playbook & avoid Ted Wells at all costs too.

But Wells has a great reputation....
... for delivering what he's paid to.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: jpotter33 on June 16, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
Man, I'm from the St. Louis metropolitan area, and something like a multiple season playoffs ban for this would be absolutely devastating to the fan base. Like, literally, there's not much else in this area to be happy about/cheer for.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: D.o.s. on June 16, 2015, 02:16:31 PM
Man, I'm from the St. Louis metropolitan area, and something like a multiple season playoffs ban for this would be absolutely devastating to the fan base. Like, literally, there's not much else in this area to be happy about/cheer for.

But on the bright side the rest of the functioning world would be spared ever having to think about the Cards and "playing the game the right way" and all that sort of nonsense. Fair trade, methinks.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Robb on June 16, 2015, 02:30:53 PM
Seriously, though, what should the punishment for something like this be?

If this is proven, I think the Commissioner needs to come down HARD.  Like, banned from the post-season for multiple years hard, and a lifetime ban for whoever authorized it.

First real challenge of the Manfred regime.  It'll be interesting to see.   

I agree, if this is proven, the penalty needs to be extremely severe.

Hopefully, they avoid taking any pages from the NFL league office playbook & avoid Ted Wells at all costs too.

Punishment is hopefully not jail time here. This isn't a commissioner and some kangaroo court playing on media creation and the wind of public opinion. It's the Feds.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Donoghus on June 16, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
Seriously, though, what should the punishment for something like this be?

If this is proven, I think the Commissioner needs to come down HARD.  Like, banned from the post-season for multiple years hard, and a lifetime ban for whoever authorized it.

First real challenge of the Manfred regime.  It'll be interesting to see.   

I agree, if this is proven, the penalty needs to be extremely severe.

Hopefully, they avoid taking any pages from the NFL league office playbook & avoid Ted Wells at all costs too.

Punishment is hopefully not jail time here. This isn't a commissioner and some kangaroo court playing on media creation and the wind of public opinion. It's the Feds.

Oh, it was definitely tongue & cheek.   This is way more serious than the foolishness of the Deflategate case.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: Moranis on January 30, 2017, 03:43:46 PM
Fairly hefty penalty handed down by MLB.  Cardinals give Astros first two draft picks in the next draft and 2 million cash.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18586344/mlb-orders-st-louis-cardinals-forfeit-top-2-2017-draft-picks-pay-2-million-houston-astros

The actual employee has already plead guilty and was sentenced to 46 months in prison and restitution of just under $280,000.  There was apparently no link between the employee and others in the Cardinals organization but MLB found them vicariously liable.
Title: Re: St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by FBI
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
Fairly hefty penalty handed down by MLB.  Cardinals give Astros first two draft picks in the next draft and 2 million cash.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18586344/mlb-orders-st-louis-cardinals-forfeit-top-2-2017-draft-picks-pay-2-million-houston-astros

The actual employee has already plead guilty and was sentenced to 46 months in prison and restitution of just under $280,000.  There was apparently no link between the employee and others in the Cardinals organization but MLB found them vicariously liable.

Yeah, it's a really harsh penalty.  Beyond the cash and picks that are lost, it also takes a huge chunk out of the Cardinals signing bonus pool.  For those that don't know, MLB has slot values for each draftees signing bonus (in the first ten rounds).  However, teams can distribute these bonuses amongst draftees in whatever way they successfully negotiate.  So say your 1st round pick has a slot value of $2 million -- if you get him to take $1.5 million, you can spend that $500k amongst lower drafted players.  Because many baseball draftees have the option of going to college instead of entering the pros, there is quite a bit of leverage for top prospects.

This penalty costs the Cardinals $1.8 million of their $3.9 million pool, or nearly 50%.  Their pool is now about $2.1 million.  The next lowest team has $3.6 million (Cleveland).  Every other team is double St. Louis, and most have 3-5x more to spend.  This will really impair the Cardinals from taking top prospects that slide in the draft due to signability concerns -- everyone will have to be pretty safe bets.  It will impact their entire draft, not just the first two rounds.