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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on November 17, 2017, 11:19:19 PM
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Ever since Lonzo's year at UCLA, LaVar Ball has been swooned by the media as this super quotable genius father of three who has created these amazing basketball protégées from scratch, but the more you see from the Ball's, the more I see him as a future guide on how to not coach your sons.
1. I know he obviously does care for his family, but it is blatantly obvious he is living vicariously through them in an attempt to achieve things he was never able to do. don't do this
2. If you see Lonzo's game, everything about it is non-fundamental, his shooting motion, his defence, his dribbling ability, free throw motion ect. I actually feel the main reason for Lonzo being an NBA player is his height and his natural born instinct, neither of which were taught. You'd think LaVar being a 'coach' would make sure from an early age that he was fundamentally sound and if you see coaches sons or former NBA players son's their best attributes are their fundamentals. don't allow this
3. LaVar obviously has pushed the idea of making a Ball brand and cost his son his first major payday signing with a brand like Nike or Under Amor and even had the hide to tell a brand that he (not Lonzo) wanted full creative control and 'co-branding' don't do this
4. Lonzo miraculously makes it to the NBA through his own hard work and dedication (not LaVar's) so what does LaVar do? Puts a target on his son's back by bad mouthing every player and over hyping his son for the benefit of himself not his son. don't do this
5. His middle son Liangelo, is obviously not as talented but has yet to even step on to a college floor when LaVar announces, 'he's probably not good enough to go to the NBA'. How many players have seemed irrelevant entering college and come out at least solid NBA talents after 3-4 years of experience and training. A remark like this from your father would be devastating to a son. don't do this
6. His youngest son LaMelo plays appalling team basketball, defence and attitude on the court so what does he do? Reprimand his son into playing correctly? No tries to fire the coach and then pulls him from his school, team and education, to 'train LaMelo himself' don't do this
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
Kevin Martin.
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
Kevin Martin.
I guess my point was it’s rare that players with such awful shooting form become successful
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genius fathe
Who really thinks this? I have never heard anyone call him a genius. Guy is a blowhard.
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They traded Russell after 2 seasons. Lol
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Must amend my list now haha
Definitely don't pull your son from a University because he was about to be suspended for theft and somehow make it their fault.
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
Well, Shawn Marion shot 47% in his rookie year and never looked back so... the proof is in the pudding.
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
Kevin Martin.
It's still amazing to me how Kevin Martin scored so many points in the NBA. The guy had no left hand, and his shooting motion was from his right hip to his chin.
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This Ball experiment will likely not end well. I cannot remember an NBA player who had an ugly shot like Lonzo’s (besides Shawn Marion) that ever was successful. Lots needs to be taught before these kids can succeed.
Well, Shawn Marion shot 47% in his rookie year and never looked back so... the proof is in the pudding.
Lonzo is shooting 31%, so yeah.
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Ever since Lonzo's year at UCLA, LaVar Ball has been swooned by the media as this super quotable genius father of three who has created these amazing basketball protégées from scratch, but the more you see from the Ball's, the more I see him as a future guide on how to not coach your sons.
1. I know he obviously does care for his family, but it is blatantly obvious he is living vicariously through them in an attempt to achieve things he was never able to do. don't do this
2. If you see Lonzo's game, everything about it is non-fundamental, his shooting motion, his defence, his dribbling ability, free throw motion ect. I actually feel the main reason for Lonzo being an NBA player is his height and his natural born instinct, neither of which were taught. You'd think LaVar being a 'coach' would make sure from an early age that he was fundamentally sound and if you see coaches sons or former NBA players son's their best attributes are their fundamentals. don't allow this
3. LaVar obviously has pushed the idea of making a Ball brand and cost his son his first major payday signing with a brand like Nike or Under Amor and even had the hide to tell a brand that he (not Lonzo) wanted full creative control and 'co-branding' don't do this
4. Lonzo miraculously makes it to the NBA through his own hard work and dedication (not LaVar's) so what does LaVar do? Puts a target on his son's back by bad mouthing every player and over hyping his son for the benefit of himself not his son. don't do this
5. His middle son Liangelo, is obviously not as talented but has yet to even step on to a college floor when LaVar announces, 'he's probably not good enough to go to the NBA'. How many players have seemed irrelevant entering college and come out at least solid NBA talents after 3-4 years of experience and training. A remark like this from your father would be devastating to a son. don't do this
6. His youngest son LaMelo plays appalling team basketball, defence and attitude on the court so what does he do? Reprimand his son into playing correctly? No tries to fire the coach and then pulls him from his school, team and education, to 'train LaMelo himself' don't do this
While Lavar is loud and antipathic, I'd trust his coaching much more than your opinion.
He will get all of his sons to play college basketball. His oldest is starting for the Lakers at the age of 19. I am pretty sure that is just about every dad's dream scenario.
Hate, not good for your health bro. Cough it out.
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Lavar's coaching ?
You trust a coach who let his player shot like this ?
The guy is a clueless clown..the only thing he knows is how to handle the media but I am not sure if it is in his and his family advantage in the long run
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Ever since Lonzo's year at UCLA, LaVar Ball has been swooned by the media as this super quotable genius father of three who has created these amazing basketball protégées from scratch, but the more you see from the Ball's, the more I see him as a future guide on how to not coach your sons.
1. I know he obviously does care for his family, but it is blatantly obvious he is living vicariously through them in an attempt to achieve things he was never able to do. don't do this
2. If you see Lonzo's game, everything about it is non-fundamental, his shooting motion, his defence, his dribbling ability, free throw motion ect. I actually feel the main reason for Lonzo being an NBA player is his height and his natural born instinct, neither of which were taught. You'd think LaVar being a 'coach' would make sure from an early age that he was fundamentally sound and if you see coaches sons or former NBA players son's their best attributes are their fundamentals. don't allow this
3. LaVar obviously has pushed the idea of making a Ball brand and cost his son his first major payday signing with a brand like Nike or Under Amor and even had the hide to tell a brand that he (not Lonzo) wanted full creative control and 'co-branding' don't do this
4. Lonzo miraculously makes it to the NBA through his own hard work and dedication (not LaVar's) so what does LaVar do? Puts a target on his son's back by bad mouthing every player and over hyping his son for the benefit of himself not his son. don't do this
5. His middle son Liangelo, is obviously not as talented but has yet to even step on to a college floor when LaVar announces, 'he's probably not good enough to go to the NBA'. How many players have seemed irrelevant entering college and come out at least solid NBA talents after 3-4 years of experience and training. A remark like this from your father would be devastating to a son. don't do this
6. His youngest son LaMelo plays appalling team basketball, defence and attitude on the court so what does he do? Reprimand his son into playing correctly? No tries to fire the coach and then pulls him from his school, team and education, to 'train LaMelo himself' don't do this
While Lavar is loud and antipathic, I'd trust his coaching much more than your opinion.
He will get all of his sons to play college basketball. His oldest is starting for the Lakers at the age of 19. I am pretty sure that is just about every dad's dream scenario.
Hate, not good for your health bro. Cough it out.
Still feel so full of yourself? With #1 son being benched, with #2 son in China jail and now being pulled out of UCLA and with #3 son being pulled out of high school to be home-schooled by asswipe dad? Its too early to tell anything about any of these jerkoffs but 1 things for sure - its not going to end well.
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Lonzo is a lefty who's dad tied his left arm behind his back. He has average athleticism by NBA standards. And, his fundementals are poor, taking off wrong footed that kinda thing which throws off his balence. Flooter game is bad, and he is not crafty around the rim. And, sure being 6'6 is nice, but he is not finishing over point guards. When he gets to the rim he still trying to finish around 7 footers and weakside help like everyone else
craziest thing is that he's averaging under 2 FT per game! Like he can't shoot and he can't drive to the basket. He literally doesn't average one shooting foul per game.
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Lonzo is severely left eye dominant. His point of aim is in his left eye. It's a term used in the world of pistol and rifle shooting competitions.
It can be corrected by covering the left eye with a patch that reduces vision to 50%. Naturally during off season.
In short order, his shooting hand will begin relying on his right eye to sight its target, and his shooting hand will begin to drift to its normal position.
I can't believe his world-class trainer/father didn't correct this problem years ago.
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Lonzo is severely left eye dominant. His point of aim is in his left eye. It's a term used in the world of pistol and rifle shooting competitions.
It can be corrected by covering the left eye with a patch that reduces vision to 50%. Naturally during off season.
In short order, his shooting hand will begin relying on his right eye to sight its target, and his shooting hand will begin to drift to its normal position.
I can't believe his world-class trainer/father didn't correct this problem years ago.
maybe lavar is not a world class trainer? lonzo seems to have a number of problems with fundamentals of basketball.
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The NBA is a business...
They love the Balls. They can't get enough of them.
The father is a clown who won't shut up? Perfect.
The oldest son plays for the Lakers? Outstanding.
The younger son is rotting in a Chinese prison? Jackpot.
The President of the United freaking States is in a catfight with Ball senior? Bring it on.
They make their own sneaker brand and are prone to effing it up? Yay.
There should be or will be a stupid reality show about these people? Where do we sign?
This makes the Jenner sex change thing look kind of tame.
Do you have any idea of the cost involved getting your brand, the NBA, to the top of the daily news stream on a weekly basis? It literally costs billions. Lavar is getting this done without shooting anybody? A miracle.
The Tom Brady affair kept the NFL in the news during the off season for literally...years. Caching.
The President of the United States has to free one of Lavar's children from Chinese prison and then get in a twiiter war with Lavar? Do you know what a Madison Avenue marketing firm would charge your company for that "media event?!"
Lavar Ball is endlessly being rewarded for being an idiot. He only cares for money and power and has sold himself completely in this pursuit. If he didn't get paid to act like this? He'd have figured something else out.
His children can watch this and learn from it. Lots and lots of parents live through their children, Lavar just gets the gold medal for it.
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The NBA is a business...
They love the Balls. They can't get enough of them.
The father is a clown who won't shut up? Perfect.
The oldest son plays for the Lakers? Outstanding.
The younger son is rotting in a Chinese prison? Jackpot.
The President of the United freaking States is in a catfight with Ball senior? Bring it on.
They make their own sneaker brand and are prone to effing it up? Yay.
There should be or will be a stupid reality show about these people? Where do we sign?
This makes the Jenner sex change thing look kind of tame.
Do you have any idea of the cost involved getting your brand, the NBA, to the top of the daily news stream on a weekly basis? It literally costs billions. Lavar is getting this done without shooting anybody? A miracle.
The Tom Brady affair kept the NFL in the news during the off season for literally...years. Caching.
The President of the United States has to free one of Lavar's children from Chinese prison and then get in a twiiter war with Lavar? Do you know what a Madison Avenue marketing firm would charge your company for that "media event?!"
Lavar Ball is endlessly being rewarded for being an idiot. He only cares for money and power and has sold himself completely in this pursuit. If he didn't get paid to act like this? He'd have figured something else out.
His children can watch this and learn from it. Lots and lots of parents live through their children, Lavar just gets the gold medal for it.
Yeah, The problem is he's getting publicity at the cost of his kids future. He also doesn't seem to have the business sense to turn marketing into sales from what I read about big baller brand. I'm fairly sure he's just a moron who lucked into marketing genius because our society is very fascinated by train wrecks. I don't believe he intended to be one, though.
He's just a moron, a terrible father and will eventually go bankrupt.
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LaMelo and LiAngelo will play in Lithuania for a completely unknown team........
Instead of UCLA........
So they will have much worse training facilities , much worse trainers , will live in very small city in Lithuania (two LA boys mind you..) for what ?????
Jennings went and played in Europe under much better circumstances and didn't do much there. Other than some money he didn't have any gain from his season in Rome ... Well at least he was there and not next to north pole!
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LaMelo and LiAngelo will play in Lithuania for a completely unknown team........
Instead of UCLA........
So they will have much worse training facilities , much worse trainers , will live in very small city in Lithuania (two LA boys mind you..) for what ?????
Jennings went and played in Europe under much better circumstances and didn't do much there. Other than some money he didn't have any gain from his season in Rome ... Well at least he was there and not next to north pole!
it'd be well worth it (for the rest of us) if Lavar went with them
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On the Ball bros in Lithuania, we don't know the salaries, but it was mentioned that it should not be more than $500 each, and they might even play for free.
IMO it's very hard to say much before we have more detail, but it's an interesting move given that the older one was suspended - and would not make the draft anyway-, and the young one might benefit from playing with much older and stronger ppl.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2748753-report-liangelo-lamelo-ball-in-serious-contract-talks-with-prienu-vytautas
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Lonzo is severely left eye dominant. His point of aim is in his left eye. It's a term used in the world of pistol and rifle shooting competitions.
It can be corrected by covering the left eye with a patch that reduces vision to 50%. Naturally during off season.
In short order, his shooting hand will begin relying on his right eye to sight its target, and his shooting hand will begin to drift to its normal position.
I can't believe his world-class trainer/father didn't correct this problem years ago.
maybe lavar is not a world class trainer? lonzo seems to have a number of problems with fundamentals of basketball.
Exactly. He has been poorly coached. His best skill is court awareness which can’t be taught.
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LaMelo and LiAngelo will play in Lithuania for a completely unknown team........
Instead of UCLA........
So they will have much worse training facilities , much worse trainers , will live in very small city in Lithuania (two LA boys mind you..) for what ?????
Jennings went and played in Europe under much better circumstances and didn't do much there. Other than some money he didn't have any gain from his season in Rome ... Well at least he was there and not next to north pole!
it'd be well worth it (for the rest of us) if Lavar went with them
The Lithuanian people don't deserve this !
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LaMelo and LiAngelo will play in Lithuania for a completely unknown team........
Instead of UCLA........
So they will have much worse training facilities , much worse trainers , will live in very small city in Lithuania (two LA boys mind you..) for what ?????
Jennings went and played in Europe under much better circumstances and didn't do much there. Other than some money he didn't have any gain from his season in Rome ... Well at least he was there and not next to north pole!
it'd be well worth it (for the rest of us) if Lavar went with them
The Lithuanian people don't deserve this !
Lithuania tuned out the Soviet Union. They will tune out the Balls. LaVar is going to hate them
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well, for those of you interested in the lavar circus with minors attached, here is an interesting read from SoSH. lavar, for those who do not know, has taken his two younger sons to lithuania to play professional basketball.
if what SoSH is saying is true, life is about to get a lot grimmer and less glittzy in very short order. they team they signed with seems to have a salary cap of $500 per month. hot diggity!!!!
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/lalithuania-ball-where-the-ugly-stepsisters-get-to-dance.18330/page-12
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BC Vytautas rocked the basketball world last month with the signing Liangelo and Lamelo Ball, who were set to make their professional debuts on Tuesday against Tsmoki-Minsk. However Vytautas recently announced their decision to part ways with the BBL, choosing a series of BBB Challenge friendly games instead.
According to Article 11.3 of the BBL Regulations for the 2017-2018 season, Vytautas will be handed a fine of 5000 EUR for forfeiting a non-televised game.
This would make it Vytautas' second forfeit of the season already and as FIBA Rules Article 20.2.3 states, if in a tournament the team forfeits for the second time, the team shall be disqualified from the tournament and the results of all games played by this team shall be nullified.
The first technical loss was handed to Vytautas in the end of October, when Head Coach Virginijus Seskus decided to withdraw his team to the locker room with him after having been awarded a second technical foul in the game against AVIS Utilitas Rapla.
Final sanctions for the club will be decided in the BBL board meeting.
http://www.eurobasket.com/Baltic-League/news/518480/Vytautas-forfeits,-disqualification-looming
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Well, the Lithuanian adventure didn't last long.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/angry-lavar-ball-abruptly-pulls-sons-out-of-lithuania/
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he is a user of people , even his own to get money
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Regarding Lonzos shooting motion. My son is a high level player so I’ve watched literally hundreds of games from age 8 to now 14 against thousands of kids from multiple states. Yeah, many kids have the basic form. But beyond that, you’ll see some crazy forms that would be hard to imagine.
These kids aren’t necessarily coached to shoot that way. Look at Ball; he has three sons and all three shoot differently. My point is that kids shoot in ways that feel natural and right to them. Sometimes it looks “normal”, sometimes it doesn’t. Could Lonzo have been coached early on to shoot differently? Sure, but my guess is that it would not have worked very well.
So of all the things I hear about Lonzo, let’s stop talking about his shooting motion like it can be “fixed” or that it’s someone fault. That is what feels comfortable to him and while you may try to tweak the shot in some ways, his base is just different from others. You can’t make him shoot like others without getting disastrous results. Not from the beginning, and especially not now.
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genius fathe
Who really thinks this? I have never heard anyone call him a genius. Guy is a blowhard.
He has three sons playing professional basketball and is a multimillionaire himself... What else does he have to do to prove himself?
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Well, the Lithuanian adventure didn't last long.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/angry-lavar-ball-abruptly-pulls-sons-out-of-lithuania/
Gave me a good laugh this morning - what a knucklehead. Proving even dumbasses can have a lot of money.
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eventually the media fasination with the dumb balls will go away, more dumbing down of America with trash news of a trash family .
When their money drys up , nobody will be left standing but Lonzo to carry the flag and support his worthless family of bums. ...oh and a pile of unsold shoes for 2dollars a pair.
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Regarding Lonzos shooting motion. My son is a high level player so I’ve watched literally hundreds of games from age 8 to now 14 against thousands of kids from multiple states. Yeah, many kids have the basic form. But beyond that, you’ll see some crazy forms that would be hard to imagine.
These kids aren’t necessarily coached to shoot that way. Look at Ball; he has three sons and all three shoot differently. My point is that kids shoot in ways that feel natural and right to them. Sometimes it looks “normal”, sometimes it doesn’t. Could Lonzo have been coached early on to shoot differently? Sure, but my guess is that it would not have worked very well.
So of all the things I hear about Lonzo, let’s stop talking about his shooting motion like it can be “fixed” or that it’s someone fault. That is what feels comfortable to him and while you may try to tweak the shot in some ways, his base is just different from others. You can’t make him shoot like others without getting disastrous results. Not from the beginning, and especially not now.
It can be fixed. Sure, its very difficult to completely overhaul a form, but even then its not impossible. What most coaches do is take your base form and try to fix aspects of it that are hindering your shot. However, there are forms that are really disadvantageous, and the best answer to that is have it fixed while they are still young.
I had a much different form when I was a kid, I had a quick release that is easy to block due to the lack of elevation and arc. I shot well with it though, esp wide open. After a disastrous summer tournament where the weak point of my form was exposed, my uncle worked hard to improve my shot. I changed my shot to something very similar to Eddie House's and it worked well for me until I injured my wrist 10 years ago which made my control unstable.
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
Yeah I read that this morning. He just sucks as a human being, plain and simple. And when Kristine Leahy called him out on Cowherd's show when she used to be on there, saying she didn't think he liked or respected women...his response was something along the lines of "I have a wife, so how could I not respect women?"
Well, here's a perfect exhibit A for that that shows Kristine Leahy was 100% correct, he doesn't respect women. It's entirely possible to have a wife and still not respect women. But it's not just women, he doesn't respect or care about anyone but himself, including his sons who he sees as simply a potential ATM and nothing else. And you can tell by the way he talks that getting into a back and forth with him about this stuff is pointless. He genuinely believes there's nothing wrong with the way he treats people and when you can't get through to a person like that, it's pointless to even try.
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
What an absolute scumbag.
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
Wow. Just wow
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
He's decided that publicity equals cash, whether it's good or bad. Sadly, he's probably right.
Mike
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I'm going to laugh so hard if this dude truly is the reason marquee FA's (including George) sway away from LA this summer :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Lakers fans/friends I know are already ruing this possibility.
For a guy that's committed to trying to win championships in Lebron James, does joining the current circus in LAL really give you that opportunity? Especially when LaVar is there and you've already had some beef with him LOL.
Also there's some reports Paul George could actually stay in OKC. I doubt it and still thinks he goes LAL, but even then it won't matter IMHO if Lebron doesn't go there (they could be a first round exit at best with the addition of just George)
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It's gonna be fun watching this JBA blow up in his face.
Was reading an article a couple of weeks ago about how bad ticket sales have been so far.
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
I sometimes (only sometimes) tried to give LaVar Ball a little benefit of the doubt. Some people act stupid with a little bit of fame and a camera in their face all the time.
But, no. He’s clearly abusive.
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If those quotes from Lavar Ball are true (about his wife's stroke), my conclusion is that Lavar is a bad dude. I thought he was a harmless goofball before. Now I'm rooting against him and his business interests.
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Bizarre
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
I hope BBB becomes a billion dollar company, and then she can divorce him and take it all away.
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I look forward to the day when I read all about the "Rise and Fall of Lavar Ball."
Everything I see and everything I read indicates that Lavar Ball is a piece of Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..
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What’s wrong with this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lavar-ball-thinks-wife-major-stroke-nearly-killed-can-quiet-minute-045512451.html
He's decided that publicity equals cash, whether it's good or bad. Sadly, he's probably right.
Mike
clearly he sees publicity as his job. any sort of publicity to keep the Ball name in the headlines and on people's minds is a good thing. i knew earlier from watching this farce that he had sacrificed his family on the alter of PR money.
shock value is what he displays in spades so as to keep people talking about the Balls. and let's face it, as my fingers type yet one more post about his pathetic human being, it works.
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Why this guy is getting "air time" is beyond me
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Why this guy is getting "air time" is beyond me
Because of us. Take yourself as an example.. You clicked on a topic about someone meaningless. And you made him meaningful full
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Why this guy is getting "air time" is beyond me
Because of us. Take yourself as an example.. You clicked on a topic about someone meaningless. And you made him meaningful full
True. But I meant national "air time". Here on this forum we can talk about anyone we like - wouldn't have it any other way.... :laugh:
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Same thing... We listen to podcasts about him, watch him on TV, read posts about him. The podcast guy, the TV channel the Web admin all see what brings them views - clicks and keep publishing about him.
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Why this guy is getting "air time" is beyond me
Because of us. Take yourself as an example.. You clicked on a topic about someone meaningless. And you made him meaningful full
well said. a tp for you.
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Why this guy is getting "air time" is beyond me
Because of us. Take yourself as an example.. You clicked on a topic about someone meaningless. And you made him meaningful full
Which in turn equates the media to Lavar Ball: they will report / say anything to make a profit.