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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: CFAN38 on November 08, 2018, 02:01:39 PM
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With the rumors floating around that Terry may be on the move I want to ask the question " What is his REALISTIC trade value.
Looking at recent trades
last season Eric "Drew" Bledsoe was traded for a buyout cap filler (monroe) a protected 1st rd pick and a 2nd round pick.
In 2015 Reggie Jackson along with a protected 1st was traded for Kanter, Singler, Augustin and Novak. The latter two where basically cap toss ins. At the time Kanter was a 22 year old former top 3 pick averaging 14pt 8rb in 27min while also proving to be a liability on D. Singler was 26 and showing promise while averaging 7pts in 23mpg and shooting 40% from 3.
Both trades netted their teams less then amazing returns and this will certainly be a factor in if DA moves Terry. If they teams feels a shake up is needed to help the teams chemistry then I could see a trade that nets the Cs a future protected first and a vet floor spacing perimeter player. If DA and BS do not feel the over abundance of minute worthy players is hurting the chemistry then we may very well see DA keep Terry for the season and risk missing out on a future asset.
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A decent but lightly protected 1st makes sense.
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Are you implying that Rozier + some contract filler won't land us Anthony Davis?
Hard to believe...
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non-lottery 1st, rookie contract (either expiring or one year remaining), or veteran role player like a Morris with an extra year left...
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I would say not very high, but beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. Somebody could watch his playoff performance and think he could be a good starter.
He is a very inefficient scorer for his career and isn't a very good playmaker. He rebounds well and gets steals.
A decent pick and a depth rotation piece would be good enough for me.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
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Higher than he's being given credit for. This season is still in infancy. What he did in Irving's absence last year holds much more weight than his short minutes over 10 games this year.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
I agree something like this could be a likely option. Maybe we could backfill the backup PG role at the buyout deadline for someone on a minimum deal like George Hill, Jeremy Lin, or any other buyout candidates while staying under the tax.
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Oh come on, he’s worth at least barbecue. Maybe sour cream and onion.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.
I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.
I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
For the most part, I agree with everything you said. But if Rozier is indeed unhappy about playing time and role and starts causing problems in the locker room or demands a trade, maybe what is best for the franchise as a whole is moving him for a good pick and getting under that luxury tax because they will be in the tax for the foreseeable future.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.
I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
It doesn’t sound like a Nickagneta deal either. Hmmm.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.
I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
It doesn’t sound like a Nickagneta deal either. Hmmm.
TP...you're right. I have been advocating keeping Rozier straight through the playoffs since this summer. You're going for a title, so keep him and deal with his free agency next summer.
But if Rozier forces Danny's hand, Ainge might have to move him.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Getting out of Bird's contract and trading Terry for a pick would take the C's down to 13 players. Each team is required to have at least 14 players under contract (not counting 2 ways) - so C's would have to take on some more salary and thus still be over the luxury tax threshold - so more moves would be required Nick, but I like where you are headed with this.
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Getting out of Bird's contract and trading Terry for a pick would take the C's down to 13 players. Each team is required to have at least 14 players under contract (not counting 2 ways) - so C's would have to take on some more salary and thus still be over the luxury tax threshold - so more moves would be required Nick, but I like where you are headed with this.
Yeah, if they dropped Rozier and Bird and ended up with the cheapest minimum player that would put them like 500k into the tax. Moving Yabu for another minimum guy and the team is out of the tax.
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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.
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Looks like Rozier will have his chance tonight. Kyrie is out.
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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.
This has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.
Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.
Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.
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big game coming tonight hopefully!
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I wonder, if the Celtics can get out of Jabari Bird's salary, if Ainge then sends Rozier to a team under the cap for a future pick would Boston get under the luxury tax number. If so, that sounds like a viable deal.
Sending out a useful rotation player who was a major contributor in the playoffs last year for a future pick to get under the cap doesn't really sound like an Ainge deal to me, unless the future pick is potentially really good.
I think given that the team hopes to contend this year I would expect that any Rozier trade would at minimum bring back a guy who could theoretically get some minutes off the bench in a playoff series, even if it's just as a matchup-specific specialist.
It doesn’t sound like a Nickagneta deal either. Hmmm.
TP...you're right. I have been advocating keeping Rozier straight through the playoffs since this summer. You're going for a title, so keep him and deal with his free agency next summer.
But if Rozier forces Danny's hand, Ainge might have to move him.
I think this is right. Rozier drives me nuts but is valuable off the bench for the playoff run. Danny can match any offer at the end of the year and then trade Rozier if he really wants. Hopefully, after the championship run, Rozier will be worth a lot.
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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.
This has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.
Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.
Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.
That's an interesting idea.
The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need? Maybe another rebounder but it would need to be someone significantly better than Aron Baynes, which isn't nothing, which probably means a package deal.
But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances. Smart becomes the primary backup pg, Wannamaker gets more minutes, and when the Jabari Bird salary situation resolves itself probably look into a safety pg, maybe a buyout.
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The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need?
Imo we need a back-up SG who enjoys playing off the ball on offense and is a deadly 3-point shooter. Ideally a 3+D type of player.
But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances.
Highly doubt that the Suns would do the trade straight up. As things stand right now, it seems they won't push for the playoffs this year. They can wait till the offseason and then sign Rozier on a free.
My final offer to the Suns would be
Rozier + Yabu + C's 2019 first for Bridges
(or something along those lines)
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Kind of a pipe dream, but I'd love us to trade Rozier + other minor asset(s) for Mikal Bridges. Not sure whether the Suns would do it though. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that they 'll push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can wait a few months and sign him via free agency.
This has actually been a trade that I have been spouting for the past few months. I have to think the influx of wings and forwards on that team has made Bridges expendable.
Rozier for Bridges with maybe a second rounder or late first round pick could work for both sides.
Allows Brown, Smart, and Bridges/Tatum to alternate at the 1-3 spots for occasional fill in minutes. Plus I think Bridges could play the small ball 4 next to Williams.
That's an interesting idea.
The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need? Maybe another rebounder but it would need to be someone significantly better than Aron Baynes, which isn't nothing, which probably means a package deal.
But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances. Smart becomes the primary backup pg, Wannamaker gets more minutes, and when the Jabari Bird salary situation resolves itself probably look into a safety pg, maybe a buyout.
They need either another shooter/scorer off the bench that can play off ball, or can defense while creating for others.
But yeah, I've been banging on the Bridges bandwagon for a while now. I thought they would seriously give him minutes, but then they did a head scratching move, and signed Ariza in the FA. Love Scary Terry, but he deserves to play elsewhere where he can soak up minutes and prove his worth.
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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.
Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick
for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.
Or is he off limits for them?
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The thing about a Rozier trade I keep asking is, What would the Celtics want in return? That is to say, What do they need?
Imo we need a back-up SG who enjoys playing off the ball on offense and is a deadly 3-point shooter. Ideally a 3+D type of player.
But I'd take Bridges, straight up, given the circumstances.
Highly doubt that the Suns would do the trade straight up. As things stand right now, it seems they won't push for the playoffs this year. They can wait till the offseason and then sign Rozier on a free.
My final offer to the Suns would be
Rozier + Yabu + C's 2019 first for Bridges
(or something along those lines)
Neither team would do it.
Too rich a package for Bridges from the C's standpoint. Phx has no incentive to improve this year since it would hurt their lottery chances. they can wait until the offseason to get their best pick and then offer Rozier something in the offseason that the C's would be unlikely to match (or match without lining up a S&T with Phx).
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Possible value points for Rozier...
Trade him for a mid to late first...con > already have too many draft pix
Trade him for an "almost starter 6th or 7th man"...con> already have too many of those
Keep him and pay him next year....con> out of the question
Keep him as filler in a big trade....well, there you go
Keep him as insurance for playoff run.....I think this just maybe the highest value for Rozier
Trade him to some idiot GM how overpays....with Ainge, not out of the realm of possibility
He's our guy for this season...learn to love him...shooting 38.5% from three for the moment
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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.
Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick
for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.
Or is he off limits for them?
TJ Warren would be the perfect guy to receive in a deal for Terry. The contract is surprisingly underrated. A lot of people have faulted him for his lack of shooting and his minimal defense. I'd say after his improvements shooting that the defense could be overblown considering his team hasn't played defense in a long time. His fit would be questionable considering how many wings, but he can score with the best of them.
After his most recent huge week and Jackson's sloughing upside, my instincts are telling me he isn't the guy they'd prefer to move. As for Bridges, they really like him and are hoping he can turn the team to a point where they have a defensive side.
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Any chance they consider trading TJ Warren? Has a GREAT contract.
Rozier, Morris, Yabusele, Grizz or Clips Pick
for Warren and DeAnthony Melton.
Or is he off limits for them?
TJ Warren would be the perfect guy to receive in a deal for Terry. The contract is surprisingly underrated. A lot of people have faulted him for his lack of shooting and his minimal defense. I'd say after his improvements shooting that the defense could be overblown considering his team hasn't played defense in a long time. His fit would be questionable considering how many wings, but he can score with the best of them.
After his most recent huge week and Jackson's sloughing upside, my instincts are telling me he isn't the guy they'd prefer to move. As for Bridges, they really like him and are hoping he can turn the team to a point where they have a defensive side.
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Because of the current roster construction, we can only gain benefit from a few types of deals:
1. Push Rozier's value into the future by obtaining draft picks
2. Obtain a combo guard/2 guard reserve to replace Rozier with a better contract situation.
3. Obtain a high quality two way 4 or 5 by combining assets.
We only have a few types of role players that can benefit the team.
We have two point guards. We have a logjam at the 3. We have solid backup bigs.
We do not need a 2 guard unless they can defend and shoot. If someone is better suited to playing the 3 we shouldn't bother. Any big man would have to be starter level to help.
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Could we trade Rozier for Okogie of The Timberwolves? It works in the trade machine. Okogie is signed for 4 years,and has no problem coming off the bench... The Celtics also save almost a million dollars....
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The realistic trade value for Rozier is a mid-late first round pick for 2019, conditional pick for 2020 or later, and/or solid veteran rotation player. His value might be higher if the Celtics were in a financial position to match any offer during the off-season. We all know that this can't happen unless Kyrie changes his mind about staying in Boston.
I suppose the Celtics could package a combination of Rozier and the potential 2019 picks that could convey. This would be Danny's best chance at acquiring a young talent or high level rotation player.
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Rozier has proved he can be the starting guard on a successful playoff team. I would think his value is somewhere along the lines of a future 1st round pick. Unprotected
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Rozier has proved he can be the starting guard on a successful playoff team. I would think his value is somewhere along the lines of a future 1st round pick. Unprotected
He's worth a 1st round pick but I doubt Ainge would get anything with the potential to become a high lottery pick in the near future. No team is going to part ways with a pick that could land near the top of the first round. I could envision something similar to the protections that were placed on the Clippers and Memphis picks.
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One trade target that interests me is Tyus Jones on the Timberwolves. He was actually decent for them last year, but Thibs barely plays him, prefering to play his windmill of mediocrity in Jeff Teague and Derrick Rose. I see could see him as a Shane Larkin 2.0.
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
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I feel like Rozier's fate will be like Olynyk's. He's worth more to us than anything we can get back, so might as well let him expire...
Maybe the Heat will sign him too...
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
That's TJ Warren.
Smart, Warren, Baynes is a GREAT bench. Still have Theis and Ojeleye for situational. Brown and Hayward would have to play more SG.
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
That's TJ Warren.
Smart, Warren, Baynes is a GREAT bench. Still have Theis and Ojeleye for situational. Brown and Hayward would have to play more SG.
Warren makes $ 11.75 million, Rozier just over $3 million. I don't know the exact numbers, but we'd have to throw in salary of somewhere near at least $7 million to make that work. Not seeing anyone on our roster where that makes any sense. Maybe someone more creative than me can come up with something, because talent-wise that makes tons of sense.
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
the problem is matching salary. This isn't MLB where you don't have to match salary. In order to acquire someone like that Morris would have to be traded with Rozier and that seems very pricey unless the player coming back is a significant upgrade on both of them and then why would any team do that.
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
the problem is matching salary. This isn't MLB where you don't have to match salary. In order to acquire someone like that Morris would have to be traded with Rozier and that seems very pricey unless the player coming back is a significant upgrade on both of them and then why would any team do that.
That is the cost of trying to trade Rozier for value. Rookie scale deals available are either rotten or have ended. Teams don't trade rookie scale deals where they can get excellent value because they are so cheap, so they essentially wait until their deals go belly up or are successful beyond their next contract.
I've advocated for re-signing Rozier and then moving him after the first season merely because the Celtics can more adequately reap the rewards of his value now that his contract isn't a limiting factor. Sending Morris just happens to be the price required to get more value out of Rozier right now.
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I might do something like Morris and Rozier for Giles and Mason. C's get cheaper longer term bench players (and take a chance that Giles can stay healthy) and drop enough salary to get out of the luxury tax. Kings get a wing in Morris they could use and a 6th man guard, which they could also use.
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I might do something like Morris and Rozier for Giles and Mason. C's get cheaper longer term bench players (and take a chance that Giles can stay healthy) and drop enough salary to get out of the luxury tax. Kings get a wing in Morris they could use and a 6th man guard, which they could also use.
This cripples our bench for this season though. Our second most reliable player this season, and a guy who, despite his weak showing this season, has the ability to light up a game, for basically a risk that Giles turns into something? No thanks
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we don't necessarily only have to trade for players on the rookie scale deals. If at possible a solid contract for a bench player is available, for example between 9-13M annually, that would be ideal for replacing Rozier because that is what it costs to have solid bench to 5th starter production. Can anyone think of anyone?
That's TJ Warren.
Smart, Warren, Baynes is a GREAT bench. Still have Theis and Ojeleye for situational. Brown and Hayward would have to play more SG.
Warren makes $ 11.75 million, Rozier just over $3 million. I don't know the exact numbers, but we'd have to throw in salary of somewhere near at least $7 million to make that work. Not seeing anyone on our roster where that makes any sense. Maybe someone more creative than me can come up with something, because talent-wise that makes tons of sense.
The problem with many trades because of the salary matching it hurts the on court production for this year. From a value standpoint something like Rozier, Morris, salary filler if needed for Warren and a protected Suns pick would make some sense, but we are trying to win this year.
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I might do something like Morris and Rozier for Giles and Mason. C's get cheaper longer term bench players (and take a chance that Giles can stay healthy) and drop enough salary to get out of the luxury tax. Kings get a wing in Morris they could use and a 6th man guard, which they could also use.
This cripples our bench for this season though. Our second most reliable player this season, and a guy who, despite his weak showing this season, has the ability to light up a game, for basically a risk that Giles turns into something? No thanks
I don't think Boston has great odds at a title this year, so I'd rather improve the chances next year and remove a year of tax so repeater tax is avoided for an extra year.
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I'd say a 1st round pick with protections that decrease each time it doesn't transfer until it becomes unprotected. I have no idea who could/would offer an attractive deal to DA.
Hopefully we can package Rozier and other things for a roster upgrade though. Would hate to do it just for a draft pick as we could make a push this year with the right trade.
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I might do something like Morris and Rozier for Giles and Mason. C's get cheaper longer term bench players (and take a chance that Giles can stay healthy) and drop enough salary to get out of the luxury tax. Kings get a wing in Morris they could use and a 6th man guard, which they could also use.
This cripples our bench for this season though. Our second most reliable player this season, and a guy who, despite his weak showing this season, has the ability to light up a game, for basically a risk that Giles turns into something? No thanks
I don't think Boston has great odds at a title this year, so I'd rather improve the chances next year and remove a year of tax so repeater tax is avoided for an extra year.
I think it's way too early to punt on this season -- just conceding another title to GSW is just a quitter's mentality in my book.
having said that, your proposal doesn't accomplish anything other than avoiding the tax because you certainly didn't improve the team down the line. You're sending out the 2 best players in the deal by far as well as hurting the return we'll be getting on the Kings pick.
mindbogglingly bad proposal.
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I might do something like Morris and Rozier for Giles and Mason. C's get cheaper longer term bench players (and take a chance that Giles can stay healthy) and drop enough salary to get out of the luxury tax. Kings get a wing in Morris they could use and a 6th man guard, which they could also use.
This cripples our bench for this season though. Our second most reliable player this season, and a guy who, despite his weak showing this season, has the ability to light up a game, for basically a risk that Giles turns into something? No thanks
I don't think Boston has great odds at a title this year, so I'd rather improve the chances next year and remove a year of tax so repeater tax is avoided for an extra year.
I think it's way too early to punt on this season -- just conceding another title to GSW is just a quitter's mentality in my book.
having said that, your proposal doesn't accomplish anything other than avoiding the tax because you certainly didn't improve the team down the line. You're sending out the 2 best players in the deal by far as well as hurting the return we'll be getting on the Kings pick.
mindbogglingly bad proposal.
neither of Morris or Rozier is likely to be on the team next year and both of the acquired ones would be. And I really like Giles talent. His injury issues are a grave concern of course, but he was the #1 prospect in his class for a reason. The talent is there. And Mason is not as good as Rozier, but I think he fits as a back-up PG much better than Rozier, who really does need the ball and the ball a lot to be effective. Mason gets to the line at a nice rate (about twice as often as TRoz), is a pretty solid passer, and at least last year was a respectable shooter from deep (this year not so much but he has 4 years of great shooting in college as well).
There is also a difference between writing a season off and being realistic. Boston will struggle to get out of the East (Toronto, Milwaukee, and now Philadelphia are all tough outs, and that doesn't even include Indiana), but if it does, has very little shot at beating Golden State (or whatever team knocks GS out) in the Finals. And Morris and Rozier will have almost nothing to do with a victory if Boston does do it (I mean I can't see Boston winning the championship because of Morris or Rozier). Sometimes a team is better off making a minor trade that improves the future at the very slight current expense. That is what I see that trade as. And getting out of the luxury tax is critical this year. I fully expect Morris to be moved at some point this season because of that.
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Is anyone else starting to become less concerned about the return for Rozier, at least in regards to draft picks and young talent? I'm at the point where I would be happy with a veteran PG and heavily protected draft pick.
I know Orlando has been frequently referenced as a potential trade partner. How would people feel about receiving DJ Augustin in return (obviously not just Augustin)? He has been a very consistent shooter throughout his career regardless of minutes. Size and poor defense would be the biggest concern. However, I would assume that he could accept fluctuating minutes on a nightly basis. He's 31 years old and hasn't had the opportunity to play on a real contender.
I envision him playing 18-20 MPG, with Theis and Semi stealing a larger chunk of those minutes on certain nights. Brad also seems to excel when he has 2 or 3 end of the bench options to cycle through depending on match ups.
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Is anyone else starting to become less concerned about the return for Rozier, at least in regards to draft picks and young talent? I'm at the point where I would be happy with a veteran PG and heavily protected draft pick.
I know Orlando has been frequently referenced as a potential trade partner. How would people feel about receiving DJ Augustin in return (obviously not just Augustin)? He has been a very consistent shooter throughout his career regardless of minutes. Size and poor defense would be the biggest concern. However, I would assume that he could accept fluctuating minutes on a nightly basis. He's 31 years old and hasn't had the opportunity to play on a real contender.
I envision him playing 18-20 MPG, with Theis and Semi stealing a larger chunk of those minutes on certain nights. Brad also seems to excel when he has 2 or 3 end of the bench options to cycle through depending on match ups.
hes leaving this off-season. So the return is either nothing or something. With Kyrie seemingly committed to resigning long-term he is 100% gone. Ainge probably figured having someone with his talent on the bench would make us better this year and thus took the risk of keeping him. But thus far, without the big minutes he just doesnt have the same effect. And you can clearly see he is playing for his contract and hogging the ball once he has it.
Ainge needs to do an avery bradley type trade to replace him with someone who can contribute and is on a team friendly deal. A vet Point guard who has no problem playing his role.
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Is anyone else starting to become less concerned about the return for Rozier, at least in regards to draft picks and young talent? I'm at the point where I would be happy with a veteran PG and heavily protected draft pick.
I know Orlando has been frequently referenced as a potential trade partner. How would people feel about receiving DJ Augustin in return (obviously not just Augustin)? He has been a very consistent shooter throughout his career regardless of minutes. Size and poor defense would be the biggest concern. However, I would assume that he could accept fluctuating minutes on a nightly basis. He's 31 years old and hasn't had the opportunity to play on a real contender.
I envision him playing 18-20 MPG, with Theis and Semi stealing a larger chunk of those minutes on certain nights. Brad also seems to excel when he has 2 or 3 end of the bench options to cycle through depending on match ups.
I agree completely. A DJ Augustin / JJ Barea type guy is the kind of guy I want. Unsure if Terry can net us Barea, but I could see Augustin being attainable.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I agree with this, if Danny wanted to trade him, it would have been this offseason when his value was higher before integrating Kyrie back into the starting lineup and eating away his minutes and leading a team.You don't dump a stock when it is down and crashing unless you absolutely need the liquidity. Right now is the worst possible time to move him.
My guess is that Danny is well aware of Kyrie's injury history and does not want to risk leaving this team with Smart leading the point for a good chunk of time. That is exactly what you will get if Kyrie goes down. Cleveland fans tell me constantly(work with them) that just wait, Kyrie gets some sort of injury like clockwork almost every year. There is no avoiding it.
Since he has been in the league, he has played in the following game in regular season:
51
59
71
75
53
72
60-missed all postseason
Those numbers do not scream trade away your back up.
In 2015 Finals, his knee collapsed. Last year he missed the entire playoffs and a huge chunk of games. In fact, in the past 3 years, only once did he play more then 70 games. Imagine this team with Smart leading the point for 30 games like in 16? Yikes.....But to be fair, that season he came back to lead them to a title with the dagger shot. When he plays, he is amazing...No doubting that but to think that he suddenly will become durable is probably not very realistic.
This latest injury is not an easy one long term as well. Here is a good article on the details of it.
https://theinjuryinsight.com/kyrie-irvings-knee-injury/
My guess is he stays for the year unless Danny can trade for a legitimate backup PG and he will facilitate a nice contract for him to someone else for an asset or two. We then sign a backup PG in the offseason. This will secure our chances this year in the event of another injury. In addition, Rozier on the 2nd unit in the playoffs will be awesome for us.
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Spencer Dinwiddie? 1.6M, RFA after this season
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Spencer Dinwiddie? 1.6M, RFA after this season
Spencer Dinwiddie is IMO a top 3 6MOTY candidate so far this season, so nabbing him would be an outright steal
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
It's like it in the way that management in Dallas loves Barea and Boston's management loves Smart and neither team is looking to trade that player. And quite honestly, Barea has been playing world's better than Rozier this year. Yes, Rozier will be better from each player's career going forward, but Rozier is most likely not a long term Celtic, and could have a much worse season this year than Barea.
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Suns waived Canaan and are going with Booker at PG.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
Why would the Kings want Rozier when they have Fox? Why would we do anything to help the Kings when we have their pick?
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
Why would the Kings want Rozier when they have Fox? Why would we do anything to help the Kings when we have their pick?
And.....given the Mavs game, is there any doubt who the better player is this year, Barea or Rozier? We won't have Rozier on the team this year so having Barea coming off the bench rather than Rozier would be huge.
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How about Fultz?
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Sure the Suns have stuck Booker at PG but that's only because their talent there is terrible.
If they traded for Rozier they could kick Booker back to his natural SG position.
Phoenix can offer a high 1st round pick with protections that gradually decrease.
I feel this trade would be a fit for Boston. But does DA want to risk Marcus Smart being the primary PG if Kyrie goes down?
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Sure the Suns have stuck Booker at PG but that's only because their talent there is terrible.
If they traded for Rozier they could kick Booker back to his natural SG position.
Phoenix can offer a high 1st round pick with protections that gradually decrease.
I feel this trade would be a fit for Boston. But does DA want to risk Marcus Smart being the primary PG if Kyrie goes down?
Problem is, the Suns have zero incentive to push for the playoffs this season. Assuming they like Rozier, they can always wait till next summer and sign him via free agency. As things stand right now, it seems certain that the C's aren't gonna match offers for Rozier.
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How about Fultz?
I don't want anything to do with that situation but it would be beyond hilarious if the Celtics acquired Fultz and somehow rehabilitated him to where he can be, like, Evan Turner 2.0.
It's not going to happen but it's a funny to think about.
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How about Fultz?
That'd be a nice return but it's hard to imagine the Sixers jumping the gun just yet. Despite next year's salary bump, his potential is so high, they'll have the cap space, and it's still early in the season.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
Why would the Kings want Rozier when they have Fox? Why would we do anything to help the Kings when we have their pick?
It isn't about helping the Kings, it is about improving the long term potential and championship odds of the Celtics.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
Why would the Kings want Rozier when they have Fox? Why would we do anything to help the Kings when we have their pick?
It isn't about helping the Kings, it is about improving the long term potential and championship odds of the Celtics.
It's not a bad trade. I like it. However, what this team needs is veterans, not young guys trying to carve their niche in the league. I think the Cs still think they can compete for a title this year. It's pretty tough to give up two guys who both have a more proven track record in the league for two guys that have serious question marks (although I like both players).
I'd rather try to get an older guy like Teodosic, Isaiah Thomas, Trey Burke, or Ish Smith. Guys who know how to play their role and aren't trying to make a name for themselves.
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At this point, why trade him? You are not going to get anything of value back. It more likely he turns things around and becomes a solid contributor than it is finding anyone via trade that could help this team as much as Rozier. He has unfortunately played his way into being so bad, he is now worth more to us than anyone will give you in return for him.
I believe Dallas would give up JJ Barea for him. Great back-up PG.
Barrea is a Dallas guy. They love him down there. You'll never get Barea for Rozier. That would be like trading Smart for Kyle Korver.
Except Rozier is better than Barea so it isn't anywhere near the same thing. That said, I don't think Dallas would re-sign Rozier as they have Smith locked in at PG, so I don't see why they would want to acquire him.
I still like my Sacto trade, Giles and Mason for Morris and Rozier. Gets Boston out of the tax, with a chance Giles can stay healthy and a nice solid young back-up PG that fits better.
Why would the Kings want Rozier when they have Fox? Why would we do anything to help the Kings when we have their pick?
It isn't about helping the Kings, it is about improving the long term potential and championship odds of the Celtics.
It's not a bad trade. I like it. However, what this team needs is veterans, not young guys trying to carve their niche in the league. I think the Cs still think they can compete for a title this year. It's pretty tough to give up two guys who both have a more proven track record in the league for two guys that have serious question marks (although I like both players).
I'd rather try to get an older guy like Teodosic, Isaiah Thomas, Trey Burke, or Ish Smith. Guys who know how to play their role and aren't trying to make a name for themselves.
I think you could still do that. Heck the Suns just cut Canaan. Who obviously isn't that level of player, but has a pretty proven track record and did start 15 games for the Suns this year. There are always players like that that become available or can be acquired for cash and/or a highly protected 2nd rounder. And I don't think Boston should give up on the season, but I do think it makes far more sense to plan for the future and get under the tax this year. Boston is so close to the tax line, it really does need to get under it.
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Interesting trade ideas. They keep talking about what a great defender Terry Rozier is, which made me wonder if they've ever watched a game...
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/12/04/boston-celtics-rumors-3-trade-destinations-terry-rozier/
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Interesting trade ideas. They keep talking about what a great defender Terry Rozier is, which made me wonder if they've ever watched a game...
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/12/04/boston-celtics-rumors-3-trade-destinations-terry-rozier/
fools gold
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Interesting trade ideas. They keep talking about what a great defender Terry Rozier is, which made me wonder if they've ever watched a game...
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/12/04/boston-celtics-rumors-3-trade-destinations-terry-rozier/
fools gold
Hopefully, some fool offers The Celtics gold....
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Interesting trade ideas. They keep talking about what a great defender Terry Rozier is, which made me wonder if they've ever watched a game...
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2018/12/04/boston-celtics-rumors-3-trade-destinations-terry-rozier/
I kind of like the second trade (Rozier to the Bulls for Justin Holiday + protected first). Wouldn't do the other 2 trades.
My preferred target if we were to trade Rozier would be Mikal Bridges. It's a longshot, but stranger things have happened.
I reckon Rozier is a good on-ball defender. He's not that good when it comes to team defense though.
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two early 2nds, such as the Justin Holiday trade or 2017-2018 Tyreke's rumored best offers
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a cost controlled bench player who plays well without major minutes
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two early 2nds, such as the Justin Holiday trade or 2017-2018 Tyreke's rumored best offers
or
a cost controlled bench player who plays well without major minutes
Rozier is a lot better and younger than Holiday. And the problem with Evans was that he was an expiring contract and would become an unrestricted free agent.
So Rozier should bring more value. A late first or heavily protected future first is reasonable to ask. Though I'd rather trade him for a player or keep him for now.
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two early 2nds, such as the Justin Holiday trade or 2017-2018 Tyreke's rumored best offers
or
a cost controlled bench player who plays well without major minutes
Rozier is a lot better and younger than Holiday. And the problem with Evans was that he was an expiring contract and would become an unrestricted free agent.
So Rozier should bring more value. A late first or heavily protected future first is reasonable to ask. Though I'd rather trade him for a player or keep him for now.
Bulls schooled Griz on this deal.
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I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but I don't want to lose him for no return at all.
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Gets worse by the day since the team acquiring has even less guaranteed time with him. If he was going to be moved, last summer was the time to move him as that is when his value was at its highest.
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two early 2nds, such as the Justin Holiday trade or 2017-2018 Tyreke's rumored best offers
or
a cost controlled bench player who plays well without major minutes
Rozier is a lot better and younger than Holiday. And the problem with Evans was that he was an expiring contract and would become an unrestricted free agent.
So Rozier should bring more value. A late first or heavily protected future first is reasonable to ask. Though I'd rather trade him for a player or keep him for now.
Teams were really stingy with their 1sts last trade DL.
IIRC Nikola Mirotic with 12.5M 18-19 team option exercised was the only player that fetched a 1st (later became #22 Chandler Hutchison who is playing more with Holiday gone). That deal required Chicago eating Asik's contract (11.3M owed this season, 3M next).
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two early 2nds, such as the Justin Holiday trade or 2017-2018 Tyreke's rumored best offers
or
a cost controlled bench player who plays well without major minutes
Rozier is a lot better and younger than Holiday. And the problem with Evans was that he was an expiring contract and would become an unrestricted free agent.
So Rozier should bring more value. A late first or heavily protected future first is reasonable to ask. Though I'd rather trade him for a player or keep him for now.
Teams were really stingy with their 1sts last trade DL.
IIRC Nikola Mirotic with 12.5M 18-19 team option exercised was the only player that fetched a 1st (later became #22 Chandler Hutchison who is playing more with Holiday gone). That deal required Chicago eating Asik's contract (11.3M owed this season, 3M next).
teams didn't really have cap space though, this year a lot more teams are going to have cap space, so I think more teams will be open to making moves.
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Ive up graded his value.
From regular Big Mac Meal..... To Super Sized !
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Ive up graded his value.
From regular Big Mac Meal..... To Super Sized !
LOL. How about Bobby Portis?
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Ive up graded his value.
From regular Big Mac Meal..... To Super Sized !
LOL. How about Bobby Portis?
kids meal
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Ive up graded his value.
From regular Big Mac Meal..... To Super Sized !
LOL. How about Bobby Portis?
kids meal
TP. He can shoot 3s...
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Gets worse by the day since the team acquiring has even less guaranteed time with him. If he was going to be moved, last summer was the time to move him as that is when his value was at its highest.
Hes restricted. A team acquiring him would theoretically want to match anything but an absurd offer.
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edit: wrong thread
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Gets worse by the day since the team acquiring has even less guaranteed time with him. If he was going to be moved, last summer was the time to move him as that is when his value was at its highest.
Hes restricted. A team acquiring him would theoretically want to match anything but an absurd offer.
True.
I'm beginning to think Dinwiddie has more top end potential than Rozier and isn't just more consistent. Boston might very well be able to keep Rozier if Dinwiddie's contract is an accurate reflection of the potential market. Not sure that is the case as mid-season extensions often aren't at market value, but here's hoping it is.
I just disagreed with you on another thread, but I absolutely agree with you here. The contracts of Exum, Powell, Dinwiddie, and Van Fleet set the market for Rozier, which makes him utterly matchable.
Besides, the Cs need a big expendable contract.
Agree with this.