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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rondofan1255 on November 07, 2018, 11:48:33 AM
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Unexpected early-season Celts subplot: Terry Rozier (restricted FA next summer) has been unhappy w/ his PT all season, word has gotten around the league, and everyone now knows the Celtics need to trade him... which, of course, makes it harder to trade him.
https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1060210961854779392?s=21
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If he's being a problem, then he should sit until he buys in. Doubt that will happen though.
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So he should be. Rozier is too good to be a 20mpg backup.
He deserves more (playing time). He'll just have to go elsewhere to get it.
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At least he is not going all Butler on us.
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Pretty much confirms what most of us here have observed with him really pressing and forcing things in his short minutes.
Phoenix would be an interesting trade partner.
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Saying Rozier is going to get 16-20 mill a season. I have no doubt that Boston will move him. They cannot pay that to him.
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So he should be. Rozier is too good to be a 20mpg backup.
He deserves more (playing time). He'll just have to go elsewhere to get it.
Agreed. TPs to who and tar.
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Saying Rozier is going to get 16-20 mill a season. I have no doubt that Boston will move him. They cannot pay that to him.
If he is staying here for this season and continue with his current play, he will not get that much.
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Looking forward to see Wanamaker!
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Saying Rozier is going to get 16-20 mill a season. I have no doubt that Boston will move him. They cannot pay that to him.
If he is staying here for this season and continue with his current play, he will not get that much.
agreed. his current PT and performance will not earn him that much of a contract.
would prefer to have him buy into the current team and play for a title (he does provide a really good piece off the bench when he's not playing selfishly) but if the need arises where Danny has to move him, I can only hope Danny is able to land a solid back up PG in that deal plus an extra piece. I do not want to rely on Kyrie and Smart's health/availability all season and I definitely do not want to rely on Wanamaker for any major contributions.
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Saying Rozier is going to get 16-20 mill a season. I have no doubt that Boston will move him. They cannot pay that to him.
If he is staying here for this season and continue with his current play, he will not get that much.
And I'm sure he knows that.
We have all signalled it. Sometimes what looks great on paper doesn't work in reality. I can hardly hold this attitude against him. He hasn't made a fortune yet and potentially losing tens of millions of dollars, because of lack of playing time is a huge sacrifice. This is completely different from a veteran who takes a paycut or is willing to sacrifice his role for the team.
Hopefully Ainge can get a good deal out of this that works for everyone.
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His frustrations are understandable considering that he was very successful in a starting role after Kyrie was shut down. I doubt that he is upset with coaches or teammates. It boils down to internal pressure to perform on a nightly basis in a contract year.
My gut tells me that the market for Terry should be strong if he plays within his role and makes winnings contributions in the playoffs. Let's assume that he gets dealt before the deadline. How much additional money does Terry earn himself as a high volume scorer on a mediocre team? Aren't we reaching a point where efficiency and advanced metrics outweigh raw stats?
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I wonder how Rozier felt about the Smart extension. Does he feel like Danny chose Marcus over him, especially with the news that Kyrie wants to resign long-term? Last season, Smart was obviously trying to prove himself to be worthy of an extension, but he still played witin the team concept and always put the team first. I don't get that same impression from Terry so far. Rozier seems like he's trying to prove that he is worth the money for his next team.
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I'd like Rozier to succeed even if it's not with us and think Phoenix would be a good fit for him (dunno what we'd get back but).
It's worth noting that Simmons said this out of sync with the rest of the show. The podcast has three guests. He very briefly mentioned we have too much talent to the first guest. Then had his next guest. No mention. Then, before the third guest, he says he'd be surprised if Rozier was with the team in 10 days to no one. I've listened since 2010. It's the only time I can think of where he just slipped something in like this between guests. So he didn't hi-jack the first topic with the Terry info but felt it important enough to state what he could've just tweeted.
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
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I hope wherever Terry goes he settles down and thinks about someone besides himself. No way can I see him being a starting PG on a team having veteran or very experienced players. Yet Terry has had the luxury of playing behind some very talented offensive minded PG's. (IT and Kyrie) Although neither could be called traditional.
Phoenix is a good place for him and they are in desperate need for a PG. Because that Ayton kid is going to be a force very shortly. Terry would be a nice fit there.
The question is, what do we get in return.
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I'll always be grateful to him for how he came through for us in the playoffs last year, and I'll be the loudest guy cheering when he gets introduced as a member of the Magic, Suns or wherever he ends up.
Then I'll boo him for the rest of the game.
Mike
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Rozier is in a tough situation. He did more than prove himself in the playoffs last year. He stepped in and really lowered his TOs and found a good balance between his more natural ball dominating tendencies and the type of basketball we needed to play to be successful.
If he wants to continue to develop as a player he needs bigger minutes. It just isn't going to happen here behind KI. I hope that he can deal with the minutes issue for the rest of the year enough that he can contribute to a championship run for us.
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Rozier gets a tough go on here from people but he’s been what the Cs hopes for when they drafted him: a solid backup guard who’s improved every year. Unfortunately, they won’t be able to pay him what he’s worth and even though Simmons is a clown, that plot line is pretty believable. I would not be shocked if Rozier gets traded for a late first rounder or reclamation/out of favor young player.
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This is not a good look for him at all
He played like trash when team ball and sacrifice is being demand and become a huge distraction by complain to the media about PT
I think our origin plan was to keep him whole year for Kyrie injury insurance but now his ego grows too big we need to trade him ASAP and Danny knows this
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Has anyone gotten a quote from Terry on this? This is contrary to every thing he has said on the record since the pre-season.
Won't be the first time Simmons makes up a rumor; or passes along something that has no substance.
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Has anyone gotten a quote from Terry on this? This is contrary to every thing he has said on the record since the pre-season.
Won't be the first time Simmons makes up a rumor; or passes along something that has no substance.
Yeah, I don't trust Simmons, who makes about $3 million a year dreaming up trades on Twitter.
You wonder how these guys got to where they are, but it's the entertainment business. It's all part of the fake news syndrome. The media is about 10% fact and 90% opinion these days.
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Understandable that he wants more time after his success as a starter, but he should know his role here. I’m not gonna crucify him because nothing he has said or done (other than being a little extra aggressive while on the court) suggests this is a problem.
I still think Ainge has to hold him until Kyrie actually resigns. He’s our insurance policy that we also have rights to, so we could match and trade him midseason.
So far, not too worried about his attitude.
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
Not being happy with his reduced minutes doesn't mean he's complaining. No one has reported that he is complaining.
I doubt any player is ever going to be happy about reduced minutes, especially in a contract season.
I also doubt he's alone right now on the team with being unhappy with their minutes, role or performance or some combination. When a team isn't winning games that it thinks it should, players usually aren't happy. That doesn't mean they are all complaining.
I don't want players who are "happy" with reduced roles or sub-par performance anyway.
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Maybe he should be a better player then
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been kinda unimpressive imo
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Been saying since last season, Rozier is a streaky offensive player and a poor ball distributor. When he's hot, he's a tremendous weapon on offense--but he doesn't seem to get hot coming off the bench, and he's obviously not going to start when Kyrie is healthy.
Ainge made the right decision going with Smart for the long term. Smart, for all his warts, is a more impactful player and more valuable teammate. His defensive hustle makes an immediate impact when he enters the game, and he's become a fairly skilled passer--the ball movement when he's distributing is certainly MUCH better than when Rozier is out there pounding the rock.
I appreciate what T-Ro did in the playoffs, but when he's not cooking on offense he isn't much help. If he's that disgruntled I think you have to trade him and let Smart/Brown absorb his minutes.
(Kind of funny that we were all worried about Marcus Morris, but he's been absolutely balling in limited minutes while T-Ro is the disgruntled odd man out.)
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
Not being happy with his reduced minutes doesn't mean he's complaining. No one has reported that he is complaining.
I doubt any player is ever going to be happy about reduced minutes, especially in a contract season.
I also doubt he's alone right now on the team with being unhappy with their minutes, role or performance or some combination. When a team isn't winning games that it thinks it should, players usually aren't happy. That doesn't mean they are all complaining.
I don't want players who are "happy" with reduced roles or sub-par performance anyway.
Maybe this is a baseless rumor, but if it's true, then how do people know he's unhappy and why unless he's telling people? If he's telling people he's unhappy with his role and minutes, then he's complaining. 23 minutes per game for a contender isn't bad and isn't something he should be complaining about especially when he's playing like crap.
I want guys focused on doing what is best for the team. He can worry about finding another team and situation after the season.
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
Not being happy with his reduced minutes doesn't mean he's complaining. No one has reported that he is complaining.
I doubt any player is ever going to be happy about reduced minutes, especially in a contract season.
I also doubt he's alone right now on the team with being unhappy with their minutes, role or performance or some combination. When a team isn't winning games that it thinks it should, players usually aren't happy. That doesn't mean they are all complaining.
I don't want players who are "happy" with reduced roles or sub-par performance anyway.
Maybe this is a baseless rumor, but if it's true, then how do people know he's unhappy and why unless he's telling people? If he's telling people he's unhappy with his role and minutes, then he's complaining. 23 minutes per game for a contender isn't bad and isn't something he should be complaining about especially when he's playing like crap.
I want guys focused on doing what is best for the team. He can worry about finding another team and situation after the season.
Hypothetical:
BS: So, Terry. Would you like to be playing more minutes?
TR: Well, sure. Yeah. I wish I was playing more. I think I can do more and I want to help us win! But we have lots of great players here and we all feel that way.
Is that "complaining"?
The point is, we have zero knowledge at this time what was said and by whom. Any speculations to support a negative aspersion or a positive spin is just that, speculation. And not at all fair to the player. Or us fans either, for that matter.
Simmons dropping this is typical "journalism" these days where the only purpose is to generate clicks. Don't be a puppet, letting your strings get yanked. Wait for real information. THEN get mad/disgusted/whatever. At least then your reaction might be justified. Or you may find there is nothing to be mad about.
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Been saying since last season, Rozier is a streaky offensive player and a poor ball distributor. When he's hot, he's a tremendous weapon on offense--but he doesn't seem to get hot coming off the bench, and he's obviously not going to start when Kyrie is healthy.
Ainge made the right decision going with Smart for the long term. Smart, for all his warts, is a more impactful player and more valuable teammate. His defensive hustle makes an immediate impact when he enters the game, and he's become a fairly skilled passer--the ball movement when he's distributing is certainly MUCH better than when Rozier is out there pounding the rock.
I appreciate what T-Ro did in the playoffs, but when he's not cooking on offense he isn't much help. If he's that disgruntled I think you have to trade him and let Smart/Brown absorb his minutes.
(Kind of funny that we were all worried about Marcus Morris, but he's been absolutely balling in limited minutes while T-Ro is the disgruntled odd man out.)
Exactly. Smart, despite being the same age, is also much more of a leader than Rozier. DA made the right call
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
Not being happy with his reduced minutes doesn't mean he's complaining. No one has reported that he is complaining.
I doubt any player is ever going to be happy about reduced minutes, especially in a contract season.
I also doubt he's alone right now on the team with being unhappy with their minutes, role or performance or some combination. When a team isn't winning games that it thinks it should, players usually aren't happy. That doesn't mean they are all complaining.
I don't want players who are "happy" with reduced roles or sub-par performance anyway.
Maybe this is a baseless rumor, but if it's true, then how do people know he's unhappy and why unless he's telling people? If he's telling people he's unhappy with his role and minutes, then he's complaining. 23 minutes per game for a contender isn't bad and isn't something he should be complaining about especially when he's playing like crap.
I want guys focused on doing what is best for the team. He can worry about finding another team and situation after the season.
Hypothetical:
BS: So, Terry. Would you like to be playing more minutes?
TR: Well, sure. Yeah. I wish I was playing more. I think I can do more and I want to help us win! But we have lots of great players here and we all feel that way.
Is that "complaining"?
The point is, we have zero knowledge at this time what was said and by whom. Any speculations to support a negative aspersion or a positive spin is just that, speculation. And not at all fair to the player. Or us fans either, for that matter.
Simmons dropping this is typical "journalism" these days where the only purpose is to generate clicks. Don't be a puppet, letting your strings get yanked. Wait for real information. THEN get mad/disgusted/whatever. At least then your reaction might be justified. Or you may find there is nothing to be mad about.
When did I say I was mad? Like I said, maybe it's a baseless rumor.
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He shouldn't be complaining when shooting just 35% from the field and averaging just 2.1 assists in 23 minutes per game.
Not being happy with his reduced minutes doesn't mean he's complaining. No one has reported that he is complaining.
I doubt any player is ever going to be happy about reduced minutes, especially in a contract season.
I also doubt he's alone right now on the team with being unhappy with their minutes, role or performance or some combination. When a team isn't winning games that it thinks it should, players usually aren't happy. That doesn't mean they are all complaining.
I don't want players who are "happy" with reduced roles or sub-par performance anyway.
Maybe this is a baseless rumor, but if it's true, then how do people know he's unhappy and why unless he's telling people? If he's telling people he's unhappy with his role and minutes, then he's complaining. 23 minutes per game for a contender isn't bad and isn't something he should be complaining about especially when he's playing like crap.
I want guys focused on doing what is best for the team. He can worry about finding another team and situation after the season.
Hypothetical:
BS: So, Terry. Would you like to be playing more minutes?
TR: Well, sure. Yeah. I wish I was playing more. I think I can do more and I want to help us win! But we have lots of great players here and we all feel that way.
Is that "complaining"?
The point is, we have zero knowledge at this time what was said and by whom. Any speculations to support a negative aspersion or a positive spin is just that, speculation. And not at all fair to the player. Or us fans either, for that matter.
Simmons dropping this is typical "journalism" these days where the only purpose is to generate clicks. Don't be a puppet, letting your strings get yanked. Wait for real information. THEN get mad/disgusted/whatever. At least then your reaction might be justified. Or you may find there is nothing to be mad about.
When did I say I was mad? Like I said, maybe it's a baseless rumor.
Didn't Rozier said to media that he is not happy with his minutes? That is the definition of complaining
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I haven't been happy with his playing time this year either. Every minute he has s.u.c.k.e.d and is NOT the Rozier we had last year.
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I think trading Rozier would also aleviate the logjam of shots/minutes. Its clear he is out there playing for himself and his contract and not the team. He probably is worried that if he doesnt get his "stats" he wont get that big contract.
Wonder if danny can get another Marcus morris type player for him?
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I think trading Rozier would also aleviate the logjam of shots/minutes. Its clear he is out there playing for himself and his contract and not the team. He probably is worried that if he doesnt get his "stats" he wont get that big contract.
Wonder if danny can get another Marcus morris type player for him?
As in Markieff? ;)
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Saying Rozier is going to get 16-20 mill a season. I have no doubt that Boston will move him. They cannot pay that to him.
No one will pay Rozier that much - he is good, not 20M good though.
These players today, shooting their mouths off (Brinks Truck for Thomas & $20M for Rozier) are idiots. Plus, everytime you turn around, someone is crying "'bout bein' disrespected".
I've always loved the game I played in college and I've loved the Celtics since the 60's, but I have to watch now with blinders to enjoy it at all because of the modern culture and the ugly style of play.
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What exactly did Rozier say to the media about his minutes ?
He had to know his minutes would be reduced - seems he even commented on that during pre-season and that he understood he is playing behind an all-star point guard.
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i want to deal him but he is kyrie insurance. nobody on the bench can do what terry does if irving goes down.
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I think trading Rozier would also aleviate the logjam of shots/minutes. Its clear he is out there playing for himself and his contract and not the team. He probably is worried that if he doesnt get his "stats" he wont get that big contract.
Wonder if danny can get another Marcus morris type player for him?
As in Markieff? ;)
BWA would really be something with both Morris twins out there together with Smart and Baynes.
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I think trading Rozier would also aleviate the logjam of shots/minutes. Its clear he is out there playing for himself and his contract and not the team. He probably is worried that if he doesnt get his "stats" he wont get that big contract.
Wonder if danny can get another Marcus morris type player for him?
As in Markieff? ;)
BWA would really be something with both Morris twins out there together with Smart and Baynes.
The physicality of that lineup is quite frightening. I'd love to see it