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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2023, 10:54:54 AM »

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Some 2nd round options have already withdrawn. Zach Edey and Grant Nelson. I’m surprised that Dillon Mitchell stayed in. He didn’t show much at Texas during the season and less in the tournament. Maybe he thinks he’s not going to develop further there?

I thought he’d be an athletic developmental pick for the Celtics before the season and he’s still that and will probably be available. He’s slotted into that 32-36 pick range so I wouldn’t hate the pick. He’d probably spend more time in D-league than on the Celtics bench.

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2023, 11:06:18 AM »

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Some 2nd round options have already withdrawn. Zach Edey and Grant Nelson. I’m surprised that Dillon Mitchell stayed in. He didn’t show much at Texas during the season and less in the tournament. Maybe he thinks he’s not going to develop further there?

I thought he’d be an athletic developmental pick for the Celtics before the season and he’s still that and will probably be available. He’s slotted into that 32-36 pick range so I wouldn’t hate the pick. He’d probably spend more time in D-league than on the Celtics bench.

Givony reported that he is returning to Texas

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1664118938257457153

There is still a nice group of developmental forwards in this class. Whitehead and GG Jackson will likely be off the board by #35 but Walsh, Phillips, and Livingston could all be nice long term developmental picks.

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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2023, 12:10:40 PM »

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NBADraft.net needs to update their mock, they still have us with 33 and 35.  That said, at 35 they have the C's taking Julian Strawther.  I know, a lot of things can happen between now and then but if Keyontae Johnson is still there, based on this mock, then he's the guy I'd take (purely based on the mock).  I'm also hoping Indiana or Utah don't wand three firsts and would pick up a PP for one, especially Utah!
I would be thrilled with Keyontae Johnson. He's a really solidly built big forward at almost 240lbs, good shooter, 7' wingspan, solid passer and defender with good ball-handling skills. At his size I think he could easily supplement Grant Williams in the near future if we nabbed him.

There are several second round guys I would be happy with. Johnson and Jackson-Davis are probably my two most preferred. But I would also be fine with Kobe Brown, Adem Bona, Adama Sanogo, and Terrence Shannon. I sadly think James Nnaji is going to climb into the late 1st round.
I think Sadomo would give us exactly what we need - considering we are only picking in the second round.  He's a tough-minded guy who can defend other bigs, rebound, hit the occasional 3, and occasionally score with some touch inside.  Would fit in nicely with Time Lord and Al, as we limit Al's minutes.  The biggest thing we will gradually be missing as Al ages is Al's defensive minutes on Giannis, Embiid and Bam. I think Sadomo could fill that nicely.

I'm really on the fence with Sanogo, I'm confident that he will be an NBA player at some level but I find it hard to see a path where he is a rotational big on a legit contender. Looking at this years playoffs its hard to find bigs with Sanogo's physical profile contributing. I do not believe he has the verticality to protect the rim or the mobility to switch on the perimeter. Without a clear path to contributing defensively in the playoffs I can't see a point to drafting him. My draft philosophy would be to leave the non defending bigs and small guards (with the exception of elite offensive talent) to the last 10-15 picks of the second round or as UDFA pick ups. These players can prove to be valuable regular season players but are not worth drafting in the top 40. Other players I place in that category would be Timme, Tubelis, Miles Jr and Nowell. Maybe he shows more mobility in workouts and surprises me but I have him ranked around 50.

He is my 8th big in the class behind Wemby, L Miller (I think he plays the 5) Lively, Jackson-Davis, Nnaji, Gueye, and Clowney   

 
Great feedback. TP. I need to watch more of his highlights to see if he has any mobility on D. Unfortunately all they seem to show is his offense.

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2023, 09:43:33 PM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

It has also been previously speculated that Bobi Klintman likely has some level of promise given that despite minimal impact at Wake Forest he skipped the combine. He is an interesting player because in theory he is the perfect modern nba 4. 6'9 (without shoes) 220 7' wing span, moves well on defense and can shoot the 3. Watching his Fiba U20 games he looks the part of an NBA 1st round pick.
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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2023, 09:31:46 AM »

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Trayce Jackson Davis (PF) / Oscar Tshiebwe (C),   or both of them, maybe through trades..

Celtics do need to develop their own future Big, while still having Horford /RW.. Horford is aging while RW is injury prone. Give them playing time during regular season and while regulating the playing time of AH / RW,  for playoff.

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2023, 04:55:17 PM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

Dude is averaging 5ppg 3rpg in 18mpg. That is not impressive. Low assist numbers at 0.84apg vs 0.9 turnovers per game so slightly less than 1:1. Does not look like he does much with the ball / offensively.

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2023, 07:11:05 PM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

Dude is averaging 5ppg 3rpg in 18mpg. That is not impressive. Low assist numbers at 0.84apg vs 0.9 turnovers per game so slightly less than 1:1. Does not look like he does much with the ball / offensively.
Probably talking about U21, where he was playing really well.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/international-spotlight-the-rise-of-bilal-coulibaly
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2023, 10:47:11 PM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

Dude is averaging 5ppg 3rpg in 18mpg. That is not impressive. Low assist numbers at 0.84apg vs 0.9 turnovers per game so slightly less than 1:1. Does not look like he does much with the ball / offensively.
Probably talking about U21, where he was playing really well.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/international-spotlight-the-rise-of-bilal-coulibaly

https://www.tankathon.com/players/bilal-coulibaly
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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2023, 11:16:57 PM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

Dude is averaging 5ppg 3rpg in 18mpg. That is not impressive. Low assist numbers at 0.84apg vs 0.9 turnovers per game so slightly less than 1:1. Does not look like he does much with the ball / offensively.
Probably talking about U21, where he was playing really well.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/international-spotlight-the-rise-of-bilal-coulibaly

https://www.tankathon.com/players/bilal-coulibaly

Man, those stats are quite different to the ones on RealGM or Basketball-Reference.com. I don't know what to make of them.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bilal-Coulibaly/Summary/175550

RealGM has his stats split into different groups with the French League, an U-21 league and a cup game. Plus his previous season's stats in the U-21 league.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/bilal-coulibaly-1.html

B-Ref just has his stats from the French League which are the same numbers as RealGM's stats.

I am confused. I do not understand Tankaton's stats.

I was wondering if they were an average of both the French League and the U-21 league. They are similar but not the same. And only 37 games instead of 47 games. RealGM has those numbers for both leagues added together and the cup game but that is 48 games not 37.

https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Bilal-Coulibaly/622815

Eurobasket has similar 5ppg numbers for Coulibaly.

Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2023, 07:10:42 AM »

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Jon Wasserman, is reporting that Bilal Coulibaly may have a lottery promise in this draft
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass

Bilal looks like a stud and what would have been the sleeper in this draft. He is putting up numberes in France at a very young age playing along side Wembanyama. He is an elite athlete with great wing size and length.

Dude is averaging 5ppg 3rpg in 18mpg. That is not impressive. Low assist numbers at 0.84apg vs 0.9 turnovers per game so slightly less than 1:1. Does not look like he does much with the ball / offensively.
Probably talking about U21, where he was playing really well.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/international-spotlight-the-rise-of-bilal-coulibaly

https://www.tankathon.com/players/bilal-coulibaly

Man, those stats are quite different to the ones on RealGM or Basketball-Reference.com. I don't know what to make of them.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bilal-Coulibaly/Summary/175550

RealGM has his stats split into different groups with the French League, an U-21 league and a cup game. Plus his previous season's stats in the U-21 league.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/bilal-coulibaly-1.html

B-Ref just has his stats from the French League which are the same numbers as RealGM's stats.

I am confused. I do not understand Tankaton's stats.

I was wondering if they were an average of both the French League and the U-21 league. They are similar but not the same. And only 37 games instead of 47 games. RealGM has those numbers for both leagues added together and the cup game but that is 48 games not 37.

https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Bilal-Coulibaly/622815

Eurobasket has similar 5ppg numbers for Coulibaly.

It looks like the Tankathon stats are a combination of all 49 games that he has played in 2022/2023.

From what I have read he was pulled up for a lower league this season and was playing a lesser role on Wembys team. Injuries have pushed him into rotational minutes where he has thrived pushing him into this draft.

 
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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2023, 11:37:10 AM »

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If the Hornets take Scoot, would a Brown for Ball trade make sense?  Then the C's spin Smart somewhere else maybe for a wing. 
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« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2023, 12:22:18 PM »

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If the Hornets take Scoot, would a Brown for Ball trade make sense?  Then the C's spin Smart somewhere else maybe for a wing. 

Zero Sense as I see it, as a Proven NBA player in Ball  is better than a G league ignite guy as I see it.  I don't see the Hornets doing it for this reason but it really does not make a lot of sense for us either.

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« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2023, 12:45:17 PM »

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If the Hornets take Scoot, would a Brown for Ball trade make sense?  Then the C's spin Smart somewhere else maybe for a wing. 

Zero Sense as I see it, as a Proven NBA player in Ball  is better than a G league ignite guy as I see it.  I don't see the Hornets doing it for this reason but it really does not make a lot of sense for us either.

What prompted me was an article I read about Scoot and Ball surviving together in the Hornet Backcourt.  Then i remembered actually seeing an article about Brown for Ball, looks like it was triggered by a Kevin O'Connor idea.

https://swarmandsting.com/2023/06/01/proposed-jaylen-lamelo-swap-solve-hornets/
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Re: 2023 Draft
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2023, 12:48:00 PM »

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If the Hornets take Scoot, would a Brown for Ball trade make sense?  Then the C's spin Smart somewhere else maybe for a wing.

I was wondering should Charlotte trade LaMelo to Portland for the #3 pick + A Simons. Draft Scoot and Brandon Miller.

PG: Scoot Henderson
SG: Anfernee Simons
SF: Brandon Miller

That is a nice start to rebuilding their franchise.

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« Reply #89 on: June 07, 2023, 12:51:49 PM »

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If the Hornets take Scoot, would a Brown for Ball trade make sense?  Then the C's spin Smart somewhere else maybe for a wing.

Lukewarm interest in LaMelo for me. He is injury prone, turnover prone, defensive weak point, bad shot selection which scuppers his scoring efficiency. He is not a player ready to play in big important playoff games. He doesn't play like a winner. He plays like an entertainer.

LaMelo reminds me of a young Pete Maravich. Took him a few years to calm down and play a more mature game. I expect LaMelo will need to do the same. Not sure I want to wait for him to grow up. No guarantee he will grow up either.