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Re: 3rd player angling to join Kyrie and Butler in 2019
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2018, 12:15:16 PM »

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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot.  Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player

Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.

I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
Uh, yes he was
not by those that actual cover the league.  As Jimmy Butler was 3rd Team All NBA in the 2016-17 season.  Butler was 3rd Team again this past year.  He has also been 2nd Team All Defense 4 times including last year.  Butler finished last year in 10th place in MVP voting.  Gordon Hayward has never made a single All NBA Team of any kind and has never received votes for MVP.  Butler has made 4 straight all star teams as well, to Hayward's 1.  Butler has a 17.8% chance at the HOF.  Hayward is currently at 0.2%. 

Jimmy Butler is quite simply better than Gordon Hayward.
Lol, using things like All-NBA teams and popularity contests (which are obviously inherently unfair, considering Butler plays for one of the most storied franchises in the league) is laughable. Was Dame the best point guard in the league in 2018? Guys like DJ and Joakim Noah have made All-NBA teams, lol.

Also, using previous seasons is completely irrelevant. Gordon Hayward in 2016-2017 was awesome, particularly when one considers the incredibly slow pace and weak offensive options of that Utah team, which is something you seem to not be doing.
Per 100 possessions in 16-17, Jimmy Butler grabbed more rebounds, dished out more assists, generated more steals, blocked more shots, and committed less fouls than Gordon Hayward.  Hayward had .8 more points per 100 possessions and they had the same amount of turnovers per 100 possessions.  Butler generated far more FT's per attempt, though he did not shoot as many or as well from 3 as Hayward.  Butler was a significantly better defender as well by every metric you can use to determine these things.  He had a better VORP, BPM (both offensively and defensively), had a much better On/Off +- number, etc. and despite being on a worse team, Butler actually had a larger WS (again both offensively and defensively). 

Jimmy Butler didn't make the 3rd Team All NBA because he won a popularity contest with Gordon Hayward.  He made the 3rd Team All NBA because he had a better season, which he had because he was a better player. 

Jimmy Butler was better than Gordon Hayward before Hayward got hurt and barring injury he will be better after Hayward got hurt as well.
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