Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[Moranis]

I'm not sure how a Bridges for Brown swap would work as they are similar players, though Bridges does have a much better assist to turnover ratio, so I'd like that. That seems more like swapping one poor fit for another poor fit though.

I think something like Garland and Okoro for Brown would benefit both teams and I think the Cavs would do that if they could get Mitchell to commit. I think a Randle, Hart package from the Knicks is intriguing. I'd see if Houston was interested as they have several high-level draft picks like Smith. He'd be an interesting starting point.

[Kernewek]

I wonder, as a sidebar to this discussion - what do we think swapping out a coach would look like at this point?

I'm fairly even on Joe, mostly because we win a whole lot more than we lose, but I'd like to hear a bit more about the kind of systems that people think swapping a coach would impact, especially from people who have been able to watch the season's games more closely than I have.

[bdm860]

I'm pretty sure the strongest "Fire Joe" contingent would prefer coaches such as Nurse or Vogel, but those guys look terrible right now, don't they?

There's Nurse infamous non-timeout in Game 2.  Has Nurse made any adjustments?  How come he's not putting Embiid in the post in the 4Q?  (Embiid has not hit a single shot in the paint in the 4Q this series and I think has only taken 3 total 4Q shots in the paint all series).  I'd have to think he could be managing Embiid's minutes better so he can be factor in the 4th.  Did he make any adjustments to stop Brunson yesterday?

Frank Vogel, what a mess in Phoenix.  Did he make any adjustments during the series, or is that super team's roster fit such a mess he's absolved of blame?  Durant is out there questioning the offense.

If either guy becomes available, is that who you'd want over Joe?  I don't think either looks like they'd be an upgrade right now (at least some of the same "non-adjustment" problems would persist).

I was ready to be done with Joe after Game 2 (but hopefully that's just an anomaly).  Who is the dream replacement (with an actually possibility of being available) right now?

[Roy H.]

I'm pretty sure the strongest "Fire Joe" contingent would prefer coaches such as Nurse or Vogel, but those guys look terrible right now, don't they?

There's Nurse infamous non-timeout in Game 2.  Has Nurse made any adjustments?  How come he's not putting Embiid in the post in the 4Q?  (Embiid has not hit a single shot in the paint in the 4Q this series and I think has only taken 3 total 4Q shots in the paint all series).  I'd have to think he could be managing Embiid's minutes better so he can be factor in the 4th.  Did he make any adjustments to stop Brunson yesterday?

Frank Vogel, what a mess in Phoenix.  Did he make any adjustments during the series, or is that super team's roster fit such a mess he's absolved of blame?  Durant is out there questioning the offense.

If either guy becomes available, is that who you'd want over Joe? I don't think either looks like they'd be an upgrade right now (at least some of the same "non-adjustment" problems would persist).

I was ready to be done with Joe after Game 2 (but hopefully that's just an anomaly).  Who is the dream replacement (with an actually possibility of being available) right now?

I disagree with your premise.  I'm confident that Nurse could have come up with the "cover their shooters" adjustment at some point in Game 2.

[Moranis]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

[ozgod]

I wonder, as a sidebar to this discussion - what do we think swapping out a coach would look like at this point?

I'm fairly even on Joe, mostly because we win a whole lot more than we lose, but I'd like to hear a bit more about the kind of systems that people think swapping a coach would impact, especially from people who have been able to watch the season's games more closely than I have.

Frank Vogel might soon be available...same with Doc Rivers 

[SHAQATTACK]

I wonder, as a sidebar to this discussion - what do we think swapping out a coach would look like at this point?

I'm fairly even on Joe, mostly because we win a whole lot more than we lose, but I'd like to hear a bit more about the kind of systems that people think swapping a coach would impact, especially from people who have been able to watch the season's games more closely than I have.

Frank Vogel might soon be available...same with Doc Rivers 

Doc’s been passed around more than Stormy Daniel’s

[ozgod]

I wonder, as a sidebar to this discussion - what do we think swapping out a coach would look like at this point?

I'm fairly even on Joe, mostly because we win a whole lot more than we lose, but I'd like to hear a bit more about the kind of systems that people think swapping a coach would impact, especially from people who have been able to watch the season's games more closely than I have.

Frank Vogel might soon be available...same with Doc Rivers 

Doc’s been passed around more than Stormy Daniel’s

TP for the chuckle 

[Roy H.]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

[Goldstar88]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

Nick Nurse? 

[Moranis]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

Obviously I know Embiid missed more time than usual, but you still play to win the game.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

Suck franchise ?

[ozgod]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

The obvious answer is the Embiid injury derailed them. They were 2nd in the East before that, they ended up 7th.



Looking more into it, they probably had issues integrating the players they signed at the deadline (e.g. Hield) into the team when Embiid came back. I feel like Embiid is a difficult player to play alongside. He has so much gravity, both on the opposition and on this team as well. I looked at his usage this season on Basketball-reference and compared him with Luka this season, Shaq in 2000, Kobe in 2009, Jordan in 1992 and LeBum in 2012 and he's at 39.6% usage, the next is Luka at 36%, the rest are in the 31%-32%.



That can be interpreted 2 ways - Joel is a ball hog, and he doesn't have enough support so he has to do everything. Both things can also be true. If you look at each game, Joel and Maxey are usually at least 50% of the total shots taken for Philly.

I also feel like for a championship to be won the whole team needs to be willing to sacrifice. I'm not sure if Joel is willing to sacrifice, because that requires you to change your game. In fact this season before he got hurt I think he was pushing for his 2nd MVP. Back when Harden was there Harden sacrificed but he seemed to be the only one sacrificing and he ended up worse off for it, both financially and reputation wise. Maxey is trying to get paid, trying to make ASG and All NBA teams, I don't know if he's in the right stage of his career to sacrifice.

If you look at the Cs, we had a super talented team in 2018-19 that didn't go anywhere because nobody wanted to sacrifice and everyone's goals were misaligned. This year there's much more evidence of maturity and a willingness to sacrifice than there has been in the past. I don't see that with Philly.

[Roy H.]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

Obviously I know Embiid missed more time than usual, but you still play to win the game.

They were on pace for 65 wins in games he played.  I don't see that as a coaching deficiency.

[Moranis]

I don't get the love affair with Nurse at all.  He got lucky his first year had Kawhi and win a title and then got worse in Toronto.  Philly had their worst regular season since 2017 and their worst playoff appearance since Boston swept them in 2020 in Brown's last year.  Nurse is not a good coach.

Any thoughts on why Philly may have had a down year?  Any relevant factors?

Obviously I know Embiid missed more time than usual, but you still play to win the game.

They were on pace for 65 wins in games he played.  I don't see that as a coaching deficiency.

Brett Brown's last year they won at a 63 win pace with Embiid, same as Rivers first year.  I guess those weren't coaching deficiencies either then, correct?